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    If you haven't seen this movie, you should

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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 3:08 PM ET #1

    For anyone who just sits by and assumes that what your government and what the media is telling you on TV is true, well think again, you should think i bit differently after watching this movie.
     
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    For anyone who just sits by and assumes that what your government and what the media is telling you on TV is true, well think again, you should think i bit differently after watching this movie.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 3:59 PM ET #2

    Some friends recommended this to me recently, haven't checked it out yet!
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    Some friends recommended this to me recently, haven't checked it out yet!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 5:33 PM ET #3

    Great movie. Just got finished watching the whole thing. It is sad that this is what life is all about. It is also sad that this movie can't get the publicity it deserves, like all the other BS movies out there shown at the movie theaters. It is up to each and everyone of us to put a end to this Nazi manor. The crazy part is Bush is going to move out of office soon, and who looks like the next perfect person to continue this hypocrisy. Rudolph Giuliani fits the profile almost too perfectly. Even if he doesn't win the poll, I am sure they can lose some votes to make him win. Bush didn't even win presidency, the system cheated us citizens once again.

    How can one man have so much power? How can one person with multiple partners convince so many people? Cause we Americans let them control us ! Everyone is to scared ! We have no rights as citizens anymore ! It is a shame that GREED rules the fucking world. After listening to Kennedy, I thought to myself why can't our present day president treat us like that. The only thing the white house does is scare us . It is never anything good anymore to benefit us as Americans. Fuck Bush and fuck everyone who is involved with him in deteriating our rights and freedom.

    I can go on and on, but watch the movie it explains it a lot better than I can.
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    Great movie. Just got finished watching the whole thing. It is sad that this is what life is all about. It is also sad that this movie can't get the publicity it deserves, like all the other BS movies out there shown at the movie theaters. It is up to each and everyone of us to put a end to this Nazi manor. The crazy part is Bush is going to move out of office soon, and who looks like the next perfect person to continue this hypocrisy. Rudolph Giuliani fits the profile almost too perfectly. Even if he doesn't win the poll, I am sure they can lose some votes to make him win. Bush didn't even win presidency, the system cheated us citizens once again.

    How can one man have so much power? How can one person with multiple partners convince so many people? Cause we Americans let them control us ! Everyone is to scared ! We have no rights as citizens anymore ! It is a shame that GREED rules the fucking world. After listening to Kennedy, I thought to myself why can't our present day president treat us like that. The only thing the white house does is scare us . It is never anything good anymore to benefit us as Americans. Fuck Bush and fuck everyone who is involved with him in deteriating our rights and freedom.

    I can go on and on, but watch the movie it explains it a lot better than I can.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 5:34 PM ET #4

    the religion stuff was cool but all the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense is garbage and caused me to turn it off. 
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    the religion stuff was cool but all the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense is garbage and caused me to turn it off. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 5:49 PM ET #5

    you know what really gets me the more i think about it......if everyone hates america and shit like that why not just leave?  the makers of this movie should have saved their money and started a new life in mexico or something.
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    you know what really gets me the more i think about it......if everyone hates america and shit like that why not just leave?  the makers of this movie should have saved their money and started a new life in mexico or something.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 5:56 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    the religion stuff was cool but all the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense is garbage and caused me to turn it off. 


    You are the typical American. Exactly what the American government wants you to be. They have brainwashed us all. Why do you not have a opened mind to another point of view? The 20 firefighters telling you there where multiple explosions going off in the world trade center wasn't enough evidence ?? You are a one minded person. Look at the facts !! I am not just basing all of this off the movie. I have seen and read multiple issues regarding everything mentioned in the movie. Wake up kid you are just another puppet for the people in control of the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    the religion stuff was cool but all the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense is garbage and caused me to turn it off. 


    You are the typical American. Exactly what the American government wants you to be. They have brainwashed us all. Why do you not have a opened mind to another point of view? The 20 firefighters telling you there where multiple explosions going off in the world trade center wasn't enough evidence ?? You are a one minded person. Look at the facts !! I am not just basing all of this off the movie. I have seen and read multiple issues regarding everything mentioned in the movie. Wake up kid you are just another puppet for the people in control of the US.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 6:02 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    you know what really gets me the more i think about it......if everyone hates america and shit like that why not just leave?  the makers of this movie should have saved their money and started a new life in mexico or something.


    Great thinking! Stop wasting space on this post. Let's hear some real thoughts people have that actually make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    you know what really gets me the more i think about it......if everyone hates america and shit like that why not just leave?  the makers of this movie should have saved their money and started a new life in mexico or something.


    Great thinking! Stop wasting space on this post. Let's hear some real thoughts people have that actually make sense.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 6:06 PM ET #8

    i watched the whole thing actaully, i decided what the hell the only game i am getting here is the Chicago Denver game and i have no interest.  (Hester just ran one back by the way)
    This reminds me of the garbage Michael Moore puts out.  If you take the facts that prove your point and just use them then yea all of this seems true.  but they are only giving you half of the story.  I am not going to argue this nonsense becuase frankly i dont feel like it.  If you believe the crap in part three then i feel bad for you. 
    this is the wikipedia entry on the guy they claimed was poisioned for his thoughts on the reserve bank....
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_mcfadden
     
    seems like a good guy. 
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    i watched the whole thing actaully, i decided what the hell the only game i am getting here is the Chicago Denver game and i have no interest.  (Hester just ran one back by the way)
    This reminds me of the garbage Michael Moore puts out.  If you take the facts that prove your point and just use them then yea all of this seems true.  but they are only giving you half of the story.  I am not going to argue this nonsense becuase frankly i dont feel like it.  If you believe the crap in part three then i feel bad for you. 
    this is the wikipedia entry on the guy they claimed was poisioned for his thoughts on the reserve bank....
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_mcfadden
     
    seems like a good guy. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 6:12 PM ET #9

    https://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
    https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
    Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling down.

    The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t.

    As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1 It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.
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    https://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
    https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
    Nearly every large building has a redundant design that allows for loss of one primary structural member, such as a column. However, when multiple members fail, the shifting loads eventually overstress the adjacent members and the collapse occurs like a row of dominoes falling down.

    The perimeter tube design of the WTC was highly redundant. It survived the loss of several exterior columns due to aircraft impact, but the ensuing fire led to other steel failures. Many structural engineers believe that the weak points—the limiting factors on design allowables—were the angle clips that held the floor joists between the columns on the perimeter wall and the core structure (see Figure 5). With a 700 Pa floor design allowable, each floor should have been able to support approximately 1,300 t beyond its own weight. The total weight of each tower was about 500,000 t.

    As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1 It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 6:19 PM ET #10

    True, their are two sides to every story. Mcfadden a bad man, but was correct about the Federal Reserve System. Don't feel like arguing either, guess we will never know what really is the truth then huh? I know I believe a lot of that shit is probably true man.
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    True, their are two sides to every story. Mcfadden a bad man, but was correct about the Federal Reserve System. Don't feel like arguing either, guess we will never know what really is the truth then huh? I know I believe a lot of that shit is probably true man.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 6:27 PM ET #11

    Mook another arguing case here. The buildings were built to withstand hits from aircrafts. The engineer who designed them said this ! There is no way just an airplane could have knocked those structures down is such quick timing. Believe what you want to believe.
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    Mook another arguing case here. The buildings were built to withstand hits from aircrafts. The engineer who designed them said this ! There is no way just an airplane could have knocked those structures down is such quick timing. Believe what you want to believe.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 7:48 PM ET #12

    2 hours of my life i can't get back! Conspiracy theorys that will do you no good in seeing.
     
    Pick up trash in your neighborhood for the next 2 hours and make a difference instead of watching this crap!
     
    You can spin anything to make it seem real.
     
    Mook above put it right "Michael Moore Garbage" 
     
     
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    2 hours of my life i can't get back! Conspiracy theorys that will do you no good in seeing.
     
    Pick up trash in your neighborhood for the next 2 hours and make a difference instead of watching this crap!
     
    You can spin anything to make it seem real.
     
    Mook above put it right "Michael Moore Garbage" 
     
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 8:24 PM ET #13

    Did I miss something, planes didn't hit WTC.  The government blew it up.   Wow, I was way off on that one.  Some conspiracy theorys have an ounce of truth.   I'm trying to find it in that one.   I thought that  both pilots got gangrene in their arms and lost control of the planes.
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    Did I miss something, planes didn't hit WTC.  The government blew it up.   Wow, I was way off on that one.  Some conspiracy theorys have an ounce of truth.   I'm trying to find it in that one.   I thought that  both pilots got gangrene in their arms and lost control of the planes.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 9:07 PM ET #14

    Geez. Bean wrong forum for this stuff. Find more intelligent places to better aware people of the real society.
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    Geez. Bean wrong forum for this stuff. Find more intelligent places to better aware people of the real society.
     
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    Becuase of where you live. (apparantly Virginia) you are allowed to speak the way you are. Although I think you are a complete fucking douche who hates his country. I would defend with my life for people like you to have the free speech that you are currently using. However I would really enjoy it if you would shut the fuck up and move to Iraq. See how they live and maybe just maybe you would appreiciate having the rights you you have

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    Becuase of where you live. (apparantly Virginia) you are allowed to speak the way you are. Although I think you are a complete fucking douche who hates his country. I would defend with my life for people like you to have the free speech that you are currently using. However I would really enjoy it if you would shut the fuck up and move to Iraq. See how they live and maybe just maybe you would appreiciate having the rights you you have

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 9:39 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    you know what really gets me the more i think about it......if everyone hates america and shit like that why not just leave?  the makers of this movie should have saved their money and started a new life in mexico or something.

    This country was founded on rebellion.

    I consider it a privilege to be able to rebutt the system to whatever avail. It is the patriotic thing to do. But of course many rather be told what to do and how to behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    you know what really gets me the more i think about it......if everyone hates america and shit like that why not just leave?  the makers of this movie should have saved their money and started a new life in mexico or something.

    This country was founded on rebellion.

    I consider it a privilege to be able to rebutt the system to whatever avail. It is the patriotic thing to do. But of course many rather be told what to do and how to behave.

     
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    If whoever made this thinks something other than planes brought down the WTC, I can certainly assure you that they are wrong. I know what I saw that day and these conspiracy theorists can spin it however they want to lie to you, but they are just plain wrong. Pretty fucking shallow actually, imo.
     
    People in this country should go outside this country and visit other underdeveloped countries to actually realize just how good things are in this country. That will open up their eyes to the real truth.
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    If whoever made this thinks something other than planes brought down the WTC, I can certainly assure you that they are wrong. I know what I saw that day and these conspiracy theorists can spin it however they want to lie to you, but they are just plain wrong. Pretty fucking shallow actually, imo.
     
    People in this country should go outside this country and visit other underdeveloped countries to actually realize just how good things are in this country. That will open up their eyes to the real truth.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 9:49 PM ET #18

    Well put kerryb!!
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    Well put kerryb!!
     
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    Ragingstorm. First off I love having the freedom I have and would dread living in another country such as Iraq. Answer these questions I have for you and I will shut the fuck up and move to Iraq. Why do you think the war hasn't ended yet? Why did we start in Afghanistan, then Iraq, and now trying to move to Iran? How do you or Bush plan on stopping a holy war that has been going on forever? How many "terrorists" have we actually killed? Answer these few questions for me and then we will move on to more detailed ones. I want to test your level of intelligence and make sure your not a jersey rat. I am not saying I hate my country you fucking douche I am simply stating the way it is being ran. Yeah there is nothing I can do to stop the way things are, but if we actually knew the truth behind everything people can actually be held accountable for there actions. What is so wrong with wanting to know the truth? Jerk, didn't you have a post not to long ago talking about what is life really about? Well start using your little fucking nut of a brain and you might find out.
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    Ragingstorm. First off I love having the freedom I have and would dread living in another country such as Iraq. Answer these questions I have for you and I will shut the fuck up and move to Iraq. Why do you think the war hasn't ended yet? Why did we start in Afghanistan, then Iraq, and now trying to move to Iran? How do you or Bush plan on stopping a holy war that has been going on forever? How many "terrorists" have we actually killed? Answer these few questions for me and then we will move on to more detailed ones. I want to test your level of intelligence and make sure your not a jersey rat. I am not saying I hate my country you fucking douche I am simply stating the way it is being ran. Yeah there is nothing I can do to stop the way things are, but if we actually knew the truth behind everything people can actually be held accountable for there actions. What is so wrong with wanting to know the truth? Jerk, didn't you have a post not to long ago talking about what is life really about? Well start using your little fucking nut of a brain and you might find out.
     
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    "Jersey rat? this coming from a fucking Virginian? Son you wouldnt even be able to survive here for a day. Go go back to your cave and think of more ways to hate your country.
     
    Anybody who thinks our government would let this happen (9-11) on purpose is a complete moron. Right there you lost ALL credibility.
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    "Jersey rat? this coming from a fucking Virginian? Son you wouldnt even be able to survive here for a day. Go go back to your cave and think of more ways to hate your country.
     
    Anybody who thinks our government would let this happen (9-11) on purpose is a complete moron. Right there you lost ALL credibility.
     
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    You guys are getting the "theory" mixed up. The planes did hit the towers. They stood for awhile until explosions were heard at each level then the building crumpled like a planned demolition. Look I am not here to make people believe this theory. I am just simply stating what the movie says happened with the help of the engineers of the building and firefighters and people that were actually in the building at the time. This is my idea, tell me what you think. The building wasn't hit at the base so why would just a top part of such a large mass make the whole building fall so quickly down. A lot of things don't add up, but who am I to say. The question isn't about how 3rd countries are, we all know they are fucked up places with a lot worser things going on. Things just don't add up. You guys can bet thousands of dollars on a game you know nothing about, but you can't take the time to look at a something at a different angle or perspective. Now that is the sad part.
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    You guys are getting the "theory" mixed up. The planes did hit the towers. They stood for awhile until explosions were heard at each level then the building crumpled like a planned demolition. Look I am not here to make people believe this theory. I am just simply stating what the movie says happened with the help of the engineers of the building and firefighters and people that were actually in the building at the time. This is my idea, tell me what you think. The building wasn't hit at the base so why would just a top part of such a large mass make the whole building fall so quickly down. A lot of things don't add up, but who am I to say. The question isn't about how 3rd countries are, we all know they are fucked up places with a lot worser things going on. Things just don't add up. You guys can bet thousands of dollars on a game you know nothing about, but you can't take the time to look at a something at a different angle or perspective. Now that is the sad part.
     
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    Ragingstorm sorry about the whole jersey rat thing, just thought it was an even exchange for being called a douche. Don't be fooled by the state. I live 5 minutes outside of DC. I live in a town where million dollar homes over look sections 8. This year I have been a victim of a robbery, seen 2 guys get shot point blank in clear view, and plenty of other things that could easily make me survive. Don't talk to me about surviving. Look I am not here to argue with you. Plus I have family in Hoboken. See what happens when you think you know the whole story? Receive facts from someone or something and it will open your eyes to new possibilities. Once again I do not hate my country and I honor everyone serving our country.
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    Ragingstorm sorry about the whole jersey rat thing, just thought it was an even exchange for being called a douche. Don't be fooled by the state. I live 5 minutes outside of DC. I live in a town where million dollar homes over look sections 8. This year I have been a victim of a robbery, seen 2 guys get shot point blank in clear view, and plenty of other things that could easily make me survive. Don't talk to me about surviving. Look I am not here to argue with you. Plus I have family in Hoboken. See what happens when you think you know the whole story? Receive facts from someone or something and it will open your eyes to new possibilities. Once again I do not hate my country and I honor everyone serving our country.
     
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    i was just reading a review of this movie and the reviewer makes an excellent point, how come there are no credits?  nothing is listed in terms of sources of thier data...well you can read the review of you would like to.
    https://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html
     
    i hate getting into doscussion regarding topics like this because it seems like the folks who are defending a piece of crap like this will never admit that this is trash and then go ahead and talk about how much smarter they are then the folks who label it what it is....and that is anti-government propaganda trash.  are there some questionable things in government yes, do movies like this help expose that. NO because of how poorly they are done.  now i am seriously gonna stop responding to this thread.  i have said what i have to say.
     
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    i was just reading a review of this movie and the reviewer makes an excellent point, how come there are no credits?  nothing is listed in terms of sources of thier data...well you can read the review of you would like to.
    https://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html
     
    i hate getting into doscussion regarding topics like this because it seems like the folks who are defending a piece of crap like this will never admit that this is trash and then go ahead and talk about how much smarter they are then the folks who label it what it is....and that is anti-government propaganda trash.  are there some questionable things in government yes, do movies like this help expose that. NO because of how poorly they are done.  now i am seriously gonna stop responding to this thread.  i have said what i have to say.
     
     
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    Everyone has a right to believe what they want.   I have some what of an open mind.  But how can 2 planes crash into a building and then the government sets off explosions and it looks a cover up.  I'm not trying to be a wise ass but I can't even understand a theory.  Are you saying American pilots crashed into building, then blown up by US ?    I have heard Rosie O'Donn and several others say it was a government plot.   How can this even  been planned?  The war,a whole other subject.  I want to hear how the US pulled this off.
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    Everyone has a right to believe what they want.   I have some what of an open mind.  But how can 2 planes crash into a building and then the government sets off explosions and it looks a cover up.  I'm not trying to be a wise ass but I can't even understand a theory.  Are you saying American pilots crashed into building, then blown up by US ?    I have heard Rosie O'Donn and several others say it was a government plot.   How can this even  been planned?  The war,a whole other subject.  I want to hear how the US pulled this off.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    i was just reading a review of this movie and the reviewer makes an excellent point, how come there are no credits?  nothing is listed in terms of sources of thier data...well you can read the review of you would like to.
    https://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html
     
    i hate getting into doscussion regarding topics like this because it seems like the folks who are defending a piece of crap like this will never admit that this is trash and then go ahead and talk about how much smarter they are then the folks who label it what it is....and that is anti-government propaganda trash.  are there some questionable things in government yes, do movies like this help expose that. NO because of how poorly they are done.  now i am seriously gonna stop responding to this thread.  i have said what i have to say.
     


    Yea. read the comments on that page and this whole discussion can be wrapped up. Like one says the "Review" creates more drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mook0926:

    i was just reading a review of this movie and the reviewer makes an excellent point, how come there are no credits?  nothing is listed in terms of sources of thier data...well you can read the review of you would like to.
    https://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html
     
    i hate getting into doscussion regarding topics like this because it seems like the folks who are defending a piece of crap like this will never admit that this is trash and then go ahead and talk about how much smarter they are then the folks who label it what it is....and that is anti-government propaganda trash.  are there some questionable things in government yes, do movies like this help expose that. NO because of how poorly they are done.  now i am seriously gonna stop responding to this thread.  i have said what i have to say.
     


    Yea. read the comments on that page and this whole discussion can be wrapped up. Like one says the "Review" creates more drama.
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