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    Texas at Cleveland - the series finale at high noon

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    Scott Feldman's been brilliant in his last three starts, all of them on the road, allowing just one lonely earned run in 19.1 innings.  That along with his glittering 11-1 road record makes him a god today in the eyes of many bettors.  But is he really as good as those bettors believe?  I don't think he is. 
     
     
    Let's look at all of his road starts this season:
     
     
     
    4/25 at Baltimore - 5IP, 4H, 1 ER as the Rangers won, 6-5
     
    5/6 at Oakland - 6IP, 4H, 2ER as the Rangers won, 3-2
     
    5/23 at Houston - 6.2IP, 5H, 3ER as the Rangers won, 6-3
     
    6/3 at the Yankees - 6.1IP, 5H, 2ER as the Rangers won, 4-2
     
    6/19 at San Fran - 6IP, 8H, 5ER as the Rangers lost, 4-6
     
    6/25 at Arizona - 6IP, 4H, 3ER as the Rangers won, 9-8
     
    7/10 at Seattle - 6.2IP, 7H, 2ER as the Rangers won, 6-4
     
    7/24 at Kansas City - 8IP, 4H, 0ER as the Rangers won, 2-0
     
    8/7 at the Angels - 6IP, 8H, 4ER as the Rangers won, 11-6
     
    8/13 at Cleveland - 6IP, 7H, 1ER as theRangers won, 4-1
     
    8/23 at Tampa Bay - 7IP, 4H, 0ER as the Rangers won, 4-0
     
    8/29 at Minnesota - 5.2IP, 4H, 0ER as the Rangers won, 3-0
     
    9/4 at Baltimore - 6.2IP, 4H, 1ER as the Rangers won, 5-1
     
     
     
     
    Nothing shabby about any of that but does it really measure up to the awesomeness of an 11-1 road record?  Basically Feldman on the road in 2009 has been a reliable 6 inning pitcher who gets plenty of run support when he needs it and less when he doesn't.  In other words, he's been both lucky and good.  Bettors are gazing admiringly in his general direction as if he's some kind of unstoppable force on the road, but he isn't.  He's a guy who's been delivering his 6 innings of work, giving up his 3 earned runs or less, all the while watching his teammates get him enough runs to win.  Good stuff, but this guy is far from a candidate for the Cy Young Award.
     
     
    Meanwhile, Feldman's opponent today, Fausto Carmona, isn't highly regarded by anyone outside his own family, yet in his five home starts since being recalled from Triple A at the end of July, he's put up numbers that mirror the ones Feldman's been putting up on the road.  Check it out:
     
     
    7/31 vs. Detroit - 5IP, 4H, 2ER as the Indians won, 6-5
     
    8/6 vs. Minnesota - 6IP, 6H, 1ER as the Indians won, 2-1
     
    8/12 vs. Texas - 6IP, 5H, 2ER as the Indians lost, 5-0
     
    8/18 vs. the Angels - 5IP, 10H, 3ER as the Indians lost, 4-5
     
    8/23 vs. Seattle - 7IP, 5H, 1ER as the Indians won, 6-1
     
     
     
    Very respectable efforts, but they've been forgotten by most because Carmona's last two starts have been on the road and both of them were Cleveland losses (including a very bad outing against the lowly O's in Baltimore). 
     
    So we've got two pitchers, the visiting pitcher performing well on the road and the home team's pitcher performing well at home, but one is nevertheless much more highly regarded at the moment than the other.  The oddsmakers know this, obviously, which means Rangers backers will be paying a premium this afternoon while Indians backers will be getting a bargain.
     
    In addition to Feldman's recent brilliance and that sparkling 11-1 road mark, bettors will also be swayed by the fact that Texas drubbed the Indians twice yesterday, scoring 21 runs while making victims out of Cleveland starters Carlos Carrasco (who made his 2nd major league start) and Aaron Laffey (who suffered the worst start of his career after a string of six decent starts).  Will the Rangers be able to keep that up without Josh Hamilton and Michael Young?  Will Marlon Byrd again bat .777 (like he did yesterday)?
     
    The Rangers again look like contenders after having a great day at Progressive Field, and the fact that they went just 10-10 over their last 20 games prior to that is an afterthought.  A sweep looks likely, or so it seeems, but the fact is that while the Indians were swept at home three times in the first half of the season, they haven't been swept once at home since the All-Star break, despite being far out of contention and despite having faced a bunch of teams who are in playoff races.  As for the Rangers, it's obvious these guys have been doing most of their damage this season at home (44-25) and not on the road (34-35).  Would you believe that out of 20 road series played this season of at least 3 games, the Rangers have only completed one sweep?
     
     
    I won't make a final decision until morning, but close observers of my work will detect a lean to the homedog here in this series finale.  And while I'm sleeping, I'll no doubt be dreaming of waking up to find this line pumped up to +140.
     
     
    What?  What do you dream about?
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    Scott Feldman's been brilliant in his last three starts, all of them on the road, allowing just one lonely earned run in 19.1 innings.  That along with his glittering 11-1 road record makes him a god today in the eyes of many bettors.  But is he really as good as those bettors believe?  I don't think he is. 
     
     
    Let's look at all of his road starts this season:
     
     
     
    4/25 at Baltimore - 5IP, 4H, 1 ER as the Rangers won, 6-5
     
    5/6 at Oakland - 6IP, 4H, 2ER as the Rangers won, 3-2
     
    5/23 at Houston - 6.2IP, 5H, 3ER as the Rangers won, 6-3
     
    6/3 at the Yankees - 6.1IP, 5H, 2ER as the Rangers won, 4-2
     
    6/19 at San Fran - 6IP, 8H, 5ER as the Rangers lost, 4-6
     
    6/25 at Arizona - 6IP, 4H, 3ER as the Rangers won, 9-8
     
    7/10 at Seattle - 6.2IP, 7H, 2ER as the Rangers won, 6-4
     
    7/24 at Kansas City - 8IP, 4H, 0ER as the Rangers won, 2-0
     
    8/7 at the Angels - 6IP, 8H, 4ER as the Rangers won, 11-6
     
    8/13 at Cleveland - 6IP, 7H, 1ER as theRangers won, 4-1
     
    8/23 at Tampa Bay - 7IP, 4H, 0ER as the Rangers won, 4-0
     
    8/29 at Minnesota - 5.2IP, 4H, 0ER as the Rangers won, 3-0
     
    9/4 at Baltimore - 6.2IP, 4H, 1ER as the Rangers won, 5-1
     
     
     
     
    Nothing shabby about any of that but does it really measure up to the awesomeness of an 11-1 road record?  Basically Feldman on the road in 2009 has been a reliable 6 inning pitcher who gets plenty of run support when he needs it and less when he doesn't.  In other words, he's been both lucky and good.  Bettors are gazing admiringly in his general direction as if he's some kind of unstoppable force on the road, but he isn't.  He's a guy who's been delivering his 6 innings of work, giving up his 3 earned runs or less, all the while watching his teammates get him enough runs to win.  Good stuff, but this guy is far from a candidate for the Cy Young Award.
     
     
    Meanwhile, Feldman's opponent today, Fausto Carmona, isn't highly regarded by anyone outside his own family, yet in his five home starts since being recalled from Triple A at the end of July, he's put up numbers that mirror the ones Feldman's been putting up on the road.  Check it out:
     
     
    7/31 vs. Detroit - 5IP, 4H, 2ER as the Indians won, 6-5
     
    8/6 vs. Minnesota - 6IP, 6H, 1ER as the Indians won, 2-1
     
    8/12 vs. Texas - 6IP, 5H, 2ER as the Indians lost, 5-0
     
    8/18 vs. the Angels - 5IP, 10H, 3ER as the Indians lost, 4-5
     
    8/23 vs. Seattle - 7IP, 5H, 1ER as the Indians won, 6-1
     
     
     
    Very respectable efforts, but they've been forgotten by most because Carmona's last two starts have been on the road and both of them were Cleveland losses (including a very bad outing against the lowly O's in Baltimore). 
     
    So we've got two pitchers, the visiting pitcher performing well on the road and the home team's pitcher performing well at home, but one is nevertheless much more highly regarded at the moment than the other.  The oddsmakers know this, obviously, which means Rangers backers will be paying a premium this afternoon while Indians backers will be getting a bargain.
     
    In addition to Feldman's recent brilliance and that sparkling 11-1 road mark, bettors will also be swayed by the fact that Texas drubbed the Indians twice yesterday, scoring 21 runs while making victims out of Cleveland starters Carlos Carrasco (who made his 2nd major league start) and Aaron Laffey (who suffered the worst start of his career after a string of six decent starts).  Will the Rangers be able to keep that up without Josh Hamilton and Michael Young?  Will Marlon Byrd again bat .777 (like he did yesterday)?
     
    The Rangers again look like contenders after having a great day at Progressive Field, and the fact that they went just 10-10 over their last 20 games prior to that is an afterthought.  A sweep looks likely, or so it seeems, but the fact is that while the Indians were swept at home three times in the first half of the season, they haven't been swept once at home since the All-Star break, despite being far out of contention and despite having faced a bunch of teams who are in playoff races.  As for the Rangers, it's obvious these guys have been doing most of their damage this season at home (44-25) and not on the road (34-35).  Would you believe that out of 20 road series played this season of at least 3 games, the Rangers have only completed one sweep?
     
     
    I won't make a final decision until morning, but close observers of my work will detect a lean to the homedog here in this series finale.  And while I'm sleeping, I'll no doubt be dreaming of waking up to find this line pumped up to +140.
     
     
    What?  What do you dream about?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:09 AM ET #2

    im thinking myself that texas doesnt sweep.im also loking at millwakee a big home dog today with suppan who is 7-1 his last 8 starts against st louis in some low scoring games.
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    im thinking myself that texas doesnt sweep.im also loking at millwakee a big home dog today with suppan who is 7-1 his last 8 starts against st louis in some low scoring games.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:22 AM ET #3

    great stuff here Bator, Dogs have been cleaning up lately...and it's GREAT!


    Like the Indians as well today, will burn more tickets than the Royals yesterday. 
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    great stuff here Bator, Dogs have been cleaning up lately...and it's GREAT!


    Like the Indians as well today, will burn more tickets than the Royals yesterday. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:22 AM ET #4

    and the day before. 
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    and the day before. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:32 AM ET #5

    Very nice, Like Cle here
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    Very nice, Like Cle here
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Tressel:

    great stuff here Bator, Dogs have been cleaning up lately...and it's GREAT!


    Like the Indians as well today, will burn more tickets than the Royals yesterday. 

     

     

    Thank you, Coach.  Obviously I will be on the Indians today.  It's only a question of.....for how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Tressel:

    great stuff here Bator, Dogs have been cleaning up lately...and it's GREAT!


    Like the Indians as well today, will burn more tickets than the Royals yesterday. 

     

     

    Thank you, Coach.  Obviously I will be on the Indians today.  It's only a question of.....for how much?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:37 AM ET #7

    i'm torn between taking Tex and/or the over 8.5
     
    Tex  4.4 RF away /  4.4 RA away
     
    Clev 4.5 RF home  /  4.8 RA home
     
    Texas still put up 21 runs without Hamilton/Young
     
    in Carmona's 2 starts vs Texas, 11 inn   8 runs
     
     
    and then there's possible rain/weather issues for this game
     
    https://www.weather.com/outlook/events/sports/hourbyhour/graph/38319:20
     
    if i'm looking at the over, i want as many innings as possible
    on the other hand, if there's a half decent rain delay, the bullpens could come in early
     
     
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    i'm torn between taking Tex and/or the over 8.5
     
    Tex  4.4 RF away /  4.4 RA away
     
    Clev 4.5 RF home  /  4.8 RA home
     
    Texas still put up 21 runs without Hamilton/Young
     
    in Carmona's 2 starts vs Texas, 11 inn   8 runs
     
     
    and then there's possible rain/weather issues for this game
     
    https://www.weather.com/outlook/events/sports/hourbyhour/graph/38319:20
     
    if i'm looking at the over, i want as many innings as possible
    on the other hand, if there's a half decent rain delay, the bullpens could come in early
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL:

     
    in Carmona's 2 starts vs Texas, 11 inn   8 runs
     
     
     

     

     

    Carmona's recent start against Texas was in Cleveland and it was a quality start.  His other start against the Rangers was way back in early April down in Arlington.  I put much less weight on the ancient history start.  In addition, when a pitcher gets sent down to the minors for significant time sometime during the season, and then shows great improvement upon returning to the big club, I throw out whatever gascannery went on before his demotion.  Carmona spent eight weeks at Triple A from early June to the end of July.  He was throwing batting practice all over the American League for the first two months of the season, but he's consistently been giviing his team a chance to win since he came back from Columbus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL:

     
    in Carmona's 2 starts vs Texas, 11 inn   8 runs
     
     
     

     

     

    Carmona's recent start against Texas was in Cleveland and it was a quality start.  His other start against the Rangers was way back in early April down in Arlington.  I put much less weight on the ancient history start.  In addition, when a pitcher gets sent down to the minors for significant time sometime during the season, and then shows great improvement upon returning to the big club, I throw out whatever gascannery went on before his demotion.  Carmona spent eight weeks at Triple A from early June to the end of July.  He was throwing batting practice all over the American League for the first two months of the season, but he's consistently been giviing his team a chance to win since he came back from Columbus.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:52 AM ET #9

    I can't imagine anyone analysing this game and concluding that Cleveland is the play today ... Texas has won 7 of 8 against the Tribe this year scoring runs in bunches ... they have a stud pitching today and Cleveland is experimenting up and down the lineup and on the mound with AAA and AA players looking to put a ball club together for next year. Texas picked up a 1/2 a game yesterday in the wild card race and continues to walk the walk with a bounce in their step ... TEXAS and OVER today !!! 
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    I can't imagine anyone analysing this game and concluding that Cleveland is the play today ... Texas has won 7 of 8 against the Tribe this year scoring runs in bunches ... they have a stud pitching today and Cleveland is experimenting up and down the lineup and on the mound with AAA and AA players looking to put a ball club together for next year. Texas picked up a 1/2 a game yesterday in the wild card race and continues to walk the walk with a bounce in their step ... TEXAS and OVER today !!! 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 7:53 AM ET #10

    Mrbator please accept friend offer, thanks
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    Mrbator please accept friend offer, thanks
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 8:08 AM ET #11

    Appreciate you posting so early. Good luck on the game.  Espn's all over Texas in this spot, you know that line will rise, and hopefully we can get an 40% dog. 


     
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    Appreciate you posting so early. Good luck on the game.  Espn's all over Texas in this spot, you know that line will rise, and hopefully we can get an 40% dog. 


     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 8:13 AM ET #12

    Great write up. good Luck today bator
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    Great write up. good Luck today bator
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 8:37 AM ET #13

    Nice write up!
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    Nice write up!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:05 AM ET #14

    mrbator been gambling for sometime. thought i new what i had to no.but everytime iread about your research i realized i dont shit thanks and gl

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    mrbator been gambling for sometime. thought i new what i had to no.but everytime iread about your research i realized i dont shit thanks and gl

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:16 AM ET #15

    I just locked them up at +140. Lets go Carmona.
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    I just locked them up at +140. Lets go Carmona.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:25 AM ET #16

    BATOR
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    BATOR
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:28 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by chump:

    I can't imagine anyone analysing this game and concluding that Cleveland is the play today ... Texas has won 7 of 8 against the Tribe this year scoring runs in bunches ... they have a stud pitching today and Cleveland is experimenting up and down the lineup and on the mound with AAA and AA players looking to put a ball club together for next year. Texas picked up a 1/2 a game yesterday in the wild card race and continues to walk the walk with a bounce in their step ... TEXAS and OVER today !!! 

    This says it all for me here, who do you think will play harder? A team of rich guys, who hit the crap out of the ball yesterday, get to board a plane this afternoon, get drunk, go home, bang their wives/girlfriends or wives and girlfriends, and sleep late tomorrow with a day off? Or, a group of guys who have struggled most of their careers to be part of the big league and have a still have a shot this year to keep their dreams intact for next season. easy for me. tribe or no play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chump:

    I can't imagine anyone analysing this game and concluding that Cleveland is the play today ... Texas has won 7 of 8 against the Tribe this year scoring runs in bunches ... they have a stud pitching today and Cleveland is experimenting up and down the lineup and on the mound with AAA and AA players looking to put a ball club together for next year. Texas picked up a 1/2 a game yesterday in the wild card race and continues to walk the walk with a bounce in their step ... TEXAS and OVER today !!! 

    This says it all for me here, who do you think will play harder? A team of rich guys, who hit the crap out of the ball yesterday, get to board a plane this afternoon, get drunk, go home, bang their wives/girlfriends or wives and girlfriends, and sleep late tomorrow with a day off? Or, a group of guys who have struggled most of their careers to be part of the big league and have a still have a shot this year to keep their dreams intact for next season. easy for me. tribe or no play.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:34 AM ET #18

    Hmmm MrB things that make you go hmmmmmm ? You must have been extremely bored last night. 4-20-76. Gaylord Perry and the Texas Rangers storm into Cleveland Stadium to face Jim Bibby. Perry of to a 2-0 start gets rocked and Texas loses 9-1. I see the same today.
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    Hmmm MrB things that make you go hmmmmmm ? You must have been extremely bored last night. 4-20-76. Gaylord Perry and the Texas Rangers storm into Cleveland Stadium to face Jim Bibby. Perry of to a 2-0 start gets rocked and Texas loses 9-1. I see the same today.
     
    Ron_Chains
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:37 AM ET #19

    Just realized and Cleveland has the day off too, but would have to think they'll show up to work on their game tomorrow with the likely hood of riding a bus through the heartland of America next season if they don't start producing.
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    Just realized and Cleveland has the day off too, but would have to think they'll show up to work on their game tomorrow with the likely hood of riding a bus through the heartland of America next season if they don't start producing.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:39 AM ET #20

    This unusual (12:05 pm) start in Cleveland on getaway day has occurred five (5) times this season and has produced the following results:
     
    KC vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    CWS vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    TB vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Minn vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Tex vs. Clev = Rangers/Under
    9/9/09    Tex vs. Clev = ? / ?
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    This unusual (12:05 pm) start in Cleveland on getaway day has occurred five (5) times this season and has produced the following results:
     
    KC vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    CWS vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    TB vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Minn vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Tex vs. Clev = Rangers/Under
    9/9/09    Tex vs. Clev = ? / ?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:43 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by pauliswilling:

    im thinking myself that texas doesnt sweep.im also loking at millwakee a big home dog today with suppan who is 7-1 his last 8 starts against st louis in some low scoring games.

    Bingo! The Sucky Brew Crew +180 are my favorite dog today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliswilling:

    im thinking myself that texas doesnt sweep.im also loking at millwakee a big home dog today with suppan who is 7-1 his last 8 starts against st louis in some low scoring games.

    Bingo! The Sucky Brew Crew +180 are my favorite dog today...

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 9:58 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    This unusual (12:05 pm) start in Cleveland on getaway day has occurred five (5) times this season and has produced the following results:
     
    KC vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    CWS vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    TB vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Minn vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Tex vs. Clev = Rangers/Under
    9/9/09    Tex vs. Clev = ? / ?

    Was leaning the under, now you just confirmed it. I was at the Minn v. Cleveland game and Fausto was nasty. The only run that scored for Minn off of Carmona was on a wild pitch. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by PINNACLE:

    This unusual (12:05 pm) start in Cleveland on getaway day has occurred five (5) times this season and has produced the following results:
     
    KC vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    CWS vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    TB vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Minn vs. Clev = Tribe/Under
    Tex vs. Clev = Rangers/Under
    9/9/09    Tex vs. Clev = ? / ?

    Was leaning the under, now you just confirmed it. I was at the Minn v. Cleveland game and Fausto was nasty. The only run that scored for Minn off of Carmona was on a wild pitch. 

     
    TheKid2299
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 10:01 AM ET #23

    Bator....Im getting them now at +135. Should i just on them now or do you think Ranger backers will pound it and i can get a better line minutes before game time?
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    Bator....Im getting them now at +135. Should i just on them now or do you think Ranger backers will pound it and i can get a better line minutes before game time?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 10:04 AM ET #24

    What?  What do you dream about?}}
     
     
     
    You want  me into the penalty box??
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    What?  What do you dream about?}}
     
     
     
    You want  me into the penalty box??
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 10:13 AM ET #25

    Mr. Bator do u suggest the RL +1.5 -121?  Or value play?
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    Mr. Bator do u suggest the RL +1.5 -121?  Or value play?
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