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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 3:42 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by KobeMVP:



    if the NBA series were fixed, why would the SPURS win 4 times in a decade...? The KNICKS, who are in the biggest sports market, havent won in almost 40 years...? Does that make any sense...?
    If you don't think the NBA isn't fixed, you,my friend, need to STOP gambling at once. No, not all NBA games and series are fixed, but a HUGE amount of them are, and I have proof. You want a game, I have several. 04-05-06, the Suns had UNDER the total in the first half. Go find the Play-by Play in the 2nd quarter and see if you can figure it out, it's real easy too.
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    if the NBA series were fixed, why would the SPURS win 4 times in a decade...? The KNICKS, who are in the biggest sports market, havent won in almost 40 years...? Does that make any sense...?
    If you don't think the NBA isn't fixed, you,my friend, need to STOP gambling at once. No, not all NBA games and series are fixed, but a HUGE amount of them are, and I have proof. You want a game, I have several. 04-05-06, the Suns had UNDER the total in the first half. Go find the Play-by Play in the 2nd quarter and see if you can figure it out, it's real easy too.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 8:24 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    If you don't think the NBA isn't fixed, you,my friend, need to STOP gambling at once. No, not all NBA games and series are fixed, but a HUGE amount of them are, and I have proof.


    Ok, waiting on the PROOF. Not games you think MIGHT have been fixed, but actual PROOF from the guys who fixed them and exactly how they did it. I'm not holding my breath. What a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    If you don't think the NBA isn't fixed, you,my friend, need to STOP gambling at once. No, not all NBA games and series are fixed, but a HUGE amount of them are, and I have proof.


    Ok, waiting on the PROOF. Not games you think MIGHT have been fixed, but actual PROOF from the guys who fixed them and exactly how they did it. I'm not holding my breath. What a joke.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 8:57 PM ET #28

    For the last time,04-05-06, the Phoenix Suns had the UNDER 1st half, go to espn, play-by-play and look for yourself. That's is PROOF. Look at the 1st half, then get back with me. Look at the EVENTS that happened in the final 8 minutes of the 1st half.
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    For the last time,04-05-06, the Phoenix Suns had the UNDER 1st half, go to espn, play-by-play and look for yourself. That's is PROOF. Look at the 1st half, then get back with me. Look at the EVENTS that happened in the final 8 minutes of the 1st half.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 8:58 PM ET #29

    It will show you how they did it.
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    It will show you how they did it.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 9:17 PM ET #30

    Look at that 2nd quarter real close and then tell me that the Suns didn't have the UNDER in the 1st half
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    Look at that 2nd quarter real close and then tell me that the Suns didn't have the UNDER in the 1st half
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 9:52 PM ET #31

    dc, just wondering, if you think NBA is fixed, how come you don't think MLB is not fixed? It is basically the same thing, its just that in the NBA the score is high, but in the MLB is a low scoring game that is why it is not so obvious.
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    dc, just wondering, if you think NBA is fixed, how come you don't think MLB is not fixed? It is basically the same thing, its just that in the NBA the score is high, but in the MLB is a low scoring game that is why it is not so obvious.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 10:45 PM ET #32

    Baseball is A LOT harder to fix to begin with. Just because someone gets to a pitcher, and he throws bad for a game. You still have to hit the ball, and you can't, let's say, hit a HR anytime you want to, it has to be hit a special way, you follow. In the NBA, a miss free throw or miss FG, a bad pass, a turnover, that's part of the game. An interception in football, a fumble, those are natural events that happen. I just touched on it a little bit, if you don't understand any of this, then I am wasting my time.
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    Baseball is A LOT harder to fix to begin with. Just because someone gets to a pitcher, and he throws bad for a game. You still have to hit the ball, and you can't, let's say, hit a HR anytime you want to, it has to be hit a special way, you follow. In the NBA, a miss free throw or miss FG, a bad pass, a turnover, that's part of the game. An interception in football, a fumble, those are natural events that happen. I just touched on it a little bit, if you don't understand any of this, then I am wasting my time.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 10:49 PM ET #33

    Giants gonna win this shit so fix fix fix u still gotta be on the right effin side, just be on the right side of the fix !
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    Giants gonna win this shit so fix fix fix u still gotta be on the right effin side, just be on the right side of the fix !
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 10:50 PM ET #34

    If a pitcher is getting paid off, and is pitching poorly,  the manager pulls him in the 2nd inning, now what. If Kobe Bryant misses a free throw, no harm done, that's part of the game. A 3rd baseman can't let the ball go thru his legs every inning, that's not part of the game. Have you looked at that Suns 1st half game on 04-05-06
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    If a pitcher is getting paid off, and is pitching poorly,  the manager pulls him in the 2nd inning, now what. If Kobe Bryant misses a free throw, no harm done, that's part of the game. A 3rd baseman can't let the ball go thru his legs every inning, that's not part of the game. Have you looked at that Suns 1st half game on 04-05-06
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 10:50 PM ET #35

    And i have seen some funny shit in gambling sports ,coincedence or fix?
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    And i have seen some funny shit in gambling sports ,coincedence or fix?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 11:25 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    Baseball is A LOT harder to fix to begin with. Just because someone gets to a pitcher, and he throws bad for a game. You still have to hit the ball, and you can't, let's say, hit a HR anytime you want to, it has to be hit a special way, you follow. In the NBA, a miss free throw or miss FG, a bad pass, a turnover, that's part of the game. An interception in football, a fumble, those are natural events that happen. I just touched on it a little bit, if you don't understand any of this, then I am wasting my time.


    i must admit, it is harder in baseball. But it doesn't mean they can't...Mostly are controlled by pitchers and believe me or not, batters know how to hit them if the game needs a double play or what...They can swing hitting the air if needed...Pitchers can throw a wild pitch is needed...Umpires can call strikes even beyond the strike zone....Its basically the same, only the way they do it is different......cmon these are professionals, that is what they are paid for....

    Anyway, it seems Giants is winning lol...then my hint was a mistake
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    Baseball is A LOT harder to fix to begin with. Just because someone gets to a pitcher, and he throws bad for a game. You still have to hit the ball, and you can't, let's say, hit a HR anytime you want to, it has to be hit a special way, you follow. In the NBA, a miss free throw or miss FG, a bad pass, a turnover, that's part of the game. An interception in football, a fumble, those are natural events that happen. I just touched on it a little bit, if you don't understand any of this, then I am wasting my time.


    i must admit, it is harder in baseball. But it doesn't mean they can't...Mostly are controlled by pitchers and believe me or not, batters know how to hit them if the game needs a double play or what...They can swing hitting the air if needed...Pitchers can throw a wild pitch is needed...Umpires can call strikes even beyond the strike zone....Its basically the same, only the way they do it is different......cmon these are professionals, that is what they are paid for....

    Anyway, it seems Giants is winning lol...then my hint was a mistake
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2010 - 11:45 PM ET #37

    HOW ABOUT LINCECUM VS CLIFF LEE I WANNA SEE THAT 1!WHAT IM GOING TO SEE THAT 1!
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    HOW ABOUT LINCECUM VS CLIFF LEE I WANNA SEE THAT 1!WHAT IM GOING TO SEE THAT 1!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 2:32 AM ET #38

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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 3:14 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by nba_calculator:

    Every Professional League is fixed. That includes MLB of course!

    This is what MLB is trying to have on the headlines for the World Series.....

    Roy Halladay vs Cliff Lee

    Was Phillies correct in choosing Roy Halladay ove Cliff Lee?

    expect Phillies to win both games....

    You don't say...very interesting nba_calculator!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nba_calculator:

    Every Professional League is fixed. That includes MLB of course!

    This is what MLB is trying to have on the headlines for the World Series.....

    Roy Halladay vs Cliff Lee

    Was Phillies correct in choosing Roy Halladay ove Cliff Lee?

    expect Phillies to win both games....

    You don't say...very interesting nba_calculator!

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:12 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    For the last time,04-05-06, the Phoenix Suns had the UNDER 1st half, go to espn, play-by-play and look for yourself. That's is PROOF. Look at the 1st half, then get back with me. Look at the EVENTS that happened in the final 8 minutes of the 1st half.



    Perhaps you don't undestand what PROOF means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    For the last time,04-05-06, the Phoenix Suns had the UNDER 1st half, go to espn, play-by-play and look for yourself. That's is PROOF. Look at the 1st half, then get back with me. Look at the EVENTS that happened in the final 8 minutes of the 1st half.



    Perhaps you don't undestand what PROOF means.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:23 PM ET #41

    dcmc34f- first of all  to think the NBA or it's millionaire players would risk their league on fixing anything is a joke. Yes, an official may have tried to influence a total or spread here and there if his influence was needed as the game wore on, but players and the league being involved together is laughable.  It's like these idiots that think the NFL would ever give a shit about a spread outcome and make a call of some sort like in the end of the Pitt San Diego game a few years ago. And the idiots who think Vegas has any pull in any gambling related event. Vegas books take less than a tenth of 1 percent of betting action around the world, they are a non factor. The NFL loves that their is so much interest in their league and understand the gambling is a part of that, but would never get involved in it and risk one of the best businesses out there. And why would they care if 100 different owners of off shore books needed a call to win them big money. Those places make their money on the pure action of game after game and all the juice and the overall parity of the league where even experts struggle to pick 55 percent.  As for the NBA, their is so little action on halftime bets why would they give a shit about the one your referring to. Give me a break. It's one thing to want a series extended to 7 games or something, which doesn't seem to happen that often, but to ever be involved in a half time bet? Think of what you are saying. It's absurd to say the least. And a total? What do you think happened? One owner of a book called and said they had millions at stake and needed it to turn out a certain way and made a call and then the message was relayed to the players. What a joke. No way that could happen, no way the players would help anyway, and if that ever was going on some ex player would have leaked it by now. Not saying a player has never shaved points but your half time bet scenario is a joke. If you are betting halftime totals you are a degenerate anyway and obviously don't have a clear mind when discussing this stuff. Must have been a real bad beat if you are talking this kind of nonsense!
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    dcmc34f- first of all  to think the NBA or it's millionaire players would risk their league on fixing anything is a joke. Yes, an official may have tried to influence a total or spread here and there if his influence was needed as the game wore on, but players and the league being involved together is laughable.  It's like these idiots that think the NFL would ever give a shit about a spread outcome and make a call of some sort like in the end of the Pitt San Diego game a few years ago. And the idiots who think Vegas has any pull in any gambling related event. Vegas books take less than a tenth of 1 percent of betting action around the world, they are a non factor. The NFL loves that their is so much interest in their league and understand the gambling is a part of that, but would never get involved in it and risk one of the best businesses out there. And why would they care if 100 different owners of off shore books needed a call to win them big money. Those places make their money on the pure action of game after game and all the juice and the overall parity of the league where even experts struggle to pick 55 percent.  As for the NBA, their is so little action on halftime bets why would they give a shit about the one your referring to. Give me a break. It's one thing to want a series extended to 7 games or something, which doesn't seem to happen that often, but to ever be involved in a half time bet? Think of what you are saying. It's absurd to say the least. And a total? What do you think happened? One owner of a book called and said they had millions at stake and needed it to turn out a certain way and made a call and then the message was relayed to the players. What a joke. No way that could happen, no way the players would help anyway, and if that ever was going on some ex player would have leaked it by now. Not saying a player has never shaved points but your half time bet scenario is a joke. If you are betting halftime totals you are a degenerate anyway and obviously don't have a clear mind when discussing this stuff. Must have been a real bad beat if you are talking this kind of nonsense!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:24 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightMoney:




    Perhaps you don't undestand what PROOF means.
    The final 8 minutes of the 1st half is proof they had the UNDER in the 1st half. How much clearer could it be. No, I don't have written documents, phone records or wagering slips, but someone don't have to be Einstein to figure out they had the UNDER the 1st half.
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    Perhaps you don't undestand what PROOF means.
    The final 8 minutes of the 1st half is proof they had the UNDER in the 1st half. How much clearer could it be. No, I don't have written documents, phone records or wagering slips, but someone don't have to be Einstein to figure out they had the UNDER the 1st half.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:28 PM ET #43

    Right on Vinny. Conspiracy theory/fix guy is usually just a tough luck loser looking for a built in excuse.

    Hell, even the guys that they do catch can't even do it right, read this:
    https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11340/tim-donaghys-claims-on-trial

    Shows that even TD was a full of shit gambler.
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    Right on Vinny. Conspiracy theory/fix guy is usually just a tough luck loser looking for a built in excuse.

    Hell, even the guys that they do catch can't even do it right, read this:
    https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11340/tim-donaghys-claims-on-trial

    Shows that even TD was a full of shit gambler.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:29 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyherbert:

    dcmc34f- first of all  to think the NBA or it's millionaire players would risk their league on fixing anything is a joke. Yes, an official may have tried to influence a total or spread here and there if his influence was needed as the game wore on, but players and the league being involved together is laughable.  It's like these idiots that think the NFL would ever give a shit about a spread outcome and make a call of some sort like in the end of the Pitt San Diego game a few years ago. And the idiots who think Vegas has any pull in any gambling related event. Vegas books take less than a tenth of 1 percent of betting action around the world, they are a non factor. The NFL loves that their is so much interest in their league and understand the gambling is a part of that, but would never get involved in it and risk one of the best businesses out there. And why would they care if 100 different owners of off shore books needed a call to win them big money. Those places make their money on the pure action of game after game and all the juice and the overall parity of the league where even experts struggle to pick 55 percent.  As for the NBA, their is so little action on halftime bets why would they give a shit about the one your referring to. Give me a break. It's one thing to want a series extended to 7 games or something, which doesn't seem to happen that often, but to ever be involved in a half time bet? Think of what you are saying. It's absurd to say the least. And a total? What do you think happened? One owner of a book called and said they had millions at stake and needed it to turn out a certain way and made a call and then the message was relayed to the players. What a joke. No way that could happen, no way the players would help anyway, and if that ever was going on some ex player would have leaked it by now. Not saying a player has never shaved points but your half time bet scenario is a joke. If you are betting halftime totals you are a degenerate anyway and obviously don't have a clear mind when discussing this stuff. Must have been a real bad beat if you are talking this kind of nonsense!
    All I have ever asked for is, LOOK AT THAT GAME THAT I MENTIONED AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU SEE. NBA player's tell their HOMIES who and what to play sometimes, the money on the fixed games are for them, you know, their Home Dogs
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    dcmc34f- first of all  to think the NBA or it's millionaire players would risk their league on fixing anything is a joke. Yes, an official may have tried to influence a total or spread here and there if his influence was needed as the game wore on, but players and the league being involved together is laughable.  It's like these idiots that think the NFL would ever give a shit about a spread outcome and make a call of some sort like in the end of the Pitt San Diego game a few years ago. And the idiots who think Vegas has any pull in any gambling related event. Vegas books take less than a tenth of 1 percent of betting action around the world, they are a non factor. The NFL loves that their is so much interest in their league and understand the gambling is a part of that, but would never get involved in it and risk one of the best businesses out there. And why would they care if 100 different owners of off shore books needed a call to win them big money. Those places make their money on the pure action of game after game and all the juice and the overall parity of the league where even experts struggle to pick 55 percent.  As for the NBA, their is so little action on halftime bets why would they give a shit about the one your referring to. Give me a break. It's one thing to want a series extended to 7 games or something, which doesn't seem to happen that often, but to ever be involved in a half time bet? Think of what you are saying. It's absurd to say the least. And a total? What do you think happened? One owner of a book called and said they had millions at stake and needed it to turn out a certain way and made a call and then the message was relayed to the players. What a joke. No way that could happen, no way the players would help anyway, and if that ever was going on some ex player would have leaked it by now. Not saying a player has never shaved points but your half time bet scenario is a joke. If you are betting halftime totals you are a degenerate anyway and obviously don't have a clear mind when discussing this stuff. Must have been a real bad beat if you are talking this kind of nonsense!
    All I have ever asked for is, LOOK AT THAT GAME THAT I MENTIONED AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU SEE. NBA player's tell their HOMIES who and what to play sometimes, the money on the fixed games are for them, you know, their Home Dogs
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:30 PM ET #45

    What can't you guys tell me what you think about the final 8 minutes of the game I mentioned?
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    What can't you guys tell me what you think about the final 8 minutes of the game I mentioned?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:30 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    The final 8 minutes of the 1st half is proof they had the UNDER in the 1st half. How much clearer could it be. No, I don't have written documents, phone records or wagering slips, but someone don't have to be Einstein to figure out they had the UNDER the 1st half.


    Oh, ok. So you don't have any proof. I could swear that your post said you have PROOF. Oh wait, it did. So really, you have nothing but speculation. That's different than proof. A lot different.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcmc34f:

    The final 8 minutes of the 1st half is proof they had the UNDER in the 1st half. How much clearer could it be. No, I don't have written documents, phone records or wagering slips, but someone don't have to be Einstein to figure out they had the UNDER the 1st half.


    Oh, ok. So you don't have any proof. I could swear that your post said you have PROOF. Oh wait, it did. So really, you have nothing but speculation. That's different than proof. A lot different.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:31 PM ET #47

    StraightMoney, have you even looked at that game on 04-05-06?
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    StraightMoney, have you even looked at that game on 04-05-06?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:32 PM ET #48

    Are you afraid that I might be on to something?
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:35 PM ET #49

    Here we go again, people taking about something they haven't researched  at all. And yet still, NO ONE has been able to answer my SIMPLE question. Look at that game and tell me what you see.
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    Here we go again, people taking about something they haven't researched  at all. And yet still, NO ONE has been able to answer my SIMPLE question. Look at that game and tell me what you see.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2010 - 12:36 PM ET #50

    Sure have. Does it look like there could be some funny business going on? Sure, it's possible. They went from 38 points in the first quarter to 17 in the second.

    "We started off real nice with ball movement and energy," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said, "and then we just lost our concentration. It was just like somebody turned the lights off. When you do that, it's hard to turn them back on."

    I'm not saying it's totally impossible dc. Just highly, highly, unlikely, and without actual proof, it's pointless to even speculate.

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    Sure have. Does it look like there could be some funny business going on? Sure, it's possible. They went from 38 points in the first quarter to 17 in the second.

    "We started off real nice with ball movement and energy," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said, "and then we just lost our concentration. It was just like somebody turned the lights off. When you do that, it's hard to turn them back on."

    I'm not saying it's totally impossible dc. Just highly, highly, unlikely, and without actual proof, it's pointless to even speculate.

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