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Gotta start it sometime...

Yasmani Grandal gets picked up by the Pale Hose. Best framer in baseball, fwiw.

James McCann fell off a cliff in the 2nd half of the season. So it looks like a plus move for the Sox.

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I figured that would get you rolling on the hot stove stuff. Good signing in my opinion too. No Pollock GM on the South Side.
 
 
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I figured that would get you rolling on the hot stove stuff. Good signing in my opinion too. No Pollock GM on the South Side.
 

The gm meetings aren't too exciting unfortunately
 
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Yeah, I think these guys have embraced back-channel communications and are doing their wheeling and dealing privately. This year we may not hear much until a deal is a done-deal. The only good side of that is that reporter speculation that goes on for weeks will be curtailed. Not fifteen different rumors every day. 

 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

Yeah, I think these guys have embraced back-channel communications and are doing their wheeling and dealing privately. This year we may not hear much until a deal is a done-deal. The only good side of that is that reporter speculation that goes on for weeks will be curtailed. Not fifteen different rumors every day.

But that is a good thing,right,an_roll_laugh

The wife and Kids are going to Arizona in Dec.,you were right about the last one graduating from Ari.St this year,last year we flew in and out same day,I bought the Girls a new Nissan Rouge before I found out about the big ticket roof,long story short,I get to stay home and work while they drive to your home,I do get to watch on-line,lucky me,so yeh I almost had a couple days in your area.

Other outcome,my bets are about 25 bucks now,I never lost a bankroll so fast,good news SS starts soon so about 12 months I might be back to even.I'm starting to feel like our friend,the one you call pollock in Chicago,new_dead.

 
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Come on Jeg, when you start losing you have to up your bet amount. That's the only way to keep it fun and it's better than paying taxes

 
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No wonder you buy them a new car and they leave you home! Too stupid even for Covers. It is really simple JEG, get with the program. Just double up every time you lose until you WIN! There are guys on this forum that can't pick their noses, but they go 1-6 and claim enormous profits. I know you are no whiz at math, but there is a calculator on your computer, unless you are still using that old Commodore 64 you got back in 1975. I will miss you not coming along with them because I know they won't visit, not after you fill them in on what a Lothario I am (look it up).

So now I got a dumb dago in Califruity and a dumb Pollock in Crappyville to carry on my back. OH, Woe is me!

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By the way, have a nice Thanksgiving, both you turkeys. Hope you escape Farmer Brown's axe. an_speechless

 
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

Come on Jeg, when you start losing you have to up your bet amount. That's the only way to keep it fun and it's better than paying taxes

You know sac I used to think Key was being a bit hard on you with the stupid pollack thing,so I am guessing I need to explain the bankroll being gone,roof was 12,700,SUV was a good price but still 16,000,cash out of pocket 18,000 plus I got to replace fridge and washer and dryer all at same time,that brings the amount of cash gone 20,000.Now where you and the so-called brains of this group Key think gambling had anything to do with my bets being about the cost of a tank of gas in Calif.has me thinking that you two need to take a reading class that will teach you to understand the content of a story so you can get the gist of what is being said.

I know in Chicago you just drive around in your beer truck and look for a used fridge on the street that someone is looking to get rid of for 25 bucks,in my neck of the woods they do not do that,they have a thing called goodwill,we call them and they come and pick up the stuff we no longer want.

So I hope this makes it easier for you brains to understand where the money went,new_smhnew_unpleased.             new_laughing1this one is  me,the 2 losers looking ones do I need to explain that also,an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh.

Happy Thanksgivings to you two wild ones.Key I will get back to you on your new name.

 
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 this thread is miserably great all ready, and there's been only one post about baseball.

True story Jeg, I once saw a honda civic with a fridge strapped on top. Regular looking moving day on the west side. Same day I saw 2 hookers exchanging shirts in broad daylight(they did not own bra's).

Key, what's so crappy(ville) about pouring rain in 38 degrees? It's good for the soul, like getting baptized. I worked only 12 hours today and made $840


This just in, breaking news...the Cubs are going to SUCK, BAD.

Also, the Tampa Bay Rays have hired a female hitting coach. I'm to tired to make an inappropriate joke.

The Astros cheated and no one cares.

I boldly predict the age induced downfall of Justin Verlander...it's just not feasible for him to maintain his performance unless he's on the Roger Clemons diet.

I can't wait to see how many lineup combinations Joe Maddon tries untill he gets one right by late August. I heard the wine in California is good, and Joe loves him his wine.
 
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Wow sac I do not even know which one to address first but of course it is going to be the tits out in daylight,big ones bouncing up and down or just your normal mouthful type,love tits.

Also I did make up the fridge story but I am not surprised that I was close to being right,but isn't a civic smaller than a fridge?I am sure in your neck of the woods most did not even see the fridge up there,just a normal thing in Chicago you see all the time an_roll_laughan_roll_laugh.

Washington won,who cares what Houston did and Clemons diet is why only one Yankee will make the HOF this year,hey baseball talk.an_speak

 
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone

The Pirates have a new manager, Derek Shelton.

It looks like catchers are getting signed early, the Nats sign Yan Gomes to a 2 year deal.

Pomeranz signs with the Padres, home sweet home.

Kyle Gibson signs with the Rangers.

Top 2 free agents: Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg.

The Orioles let go their best player in Jonathan Villar. Could they possibly get any worse than they have the last 2 years? Don't be surprised folks, rumor has it that they aren't planning on signing any free agents this year.
 
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sac have a good Thanksgivings,Key if your around the same wishes for you,it is cold and raining in Calif.,who cares about baseball now.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

sac have a good Thanksgivings,Key if your around the same wishes for you,it is cold and raining in Calif.,who cares about baseball now.


So 60 degrees with drizzle? Awwww
 
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

sac have a good Thanksgivings,Key if your around the same wishes for you,it is cold and raining in Calif.,who cares about baseball now.
So 60 degrees with drizzle? Awwww

Think it got to 45,thought I was going to freeze.

 
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Damn Gerrit Cole is going to be a Yankee. They're making him an offer he can't refuse.
 
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Hot Stove comes to Ohio when the Reds acquire Mike Moustakas. Pretty steep price in my opinion but the Reds are trying to get out of the NL Central basement and they opened up the purse strings which the Reds don't do often to get him.

Big question here in Ohio is what will the Tribe do with Lindor?? 

 
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Stephen Strasburg has agreed to return to the Nationals on Monday, a source told MLB.com's Mark Feinsand. ESPN's Jeff Passan is reporting that the deal is for seven years and more than $220 million. The club has not confirmed the deal.

One down, one to go, but imo Cole doesn't go to the Yanaks, it would make their salary cap blow up and they would have to sustain a major tax for that.

Btw, if Strasburg deal is done, it means Rendon wont return to the Nats, if we are to believe what their owner said last week: they can't afford bringing them both back.


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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

Damn Gerrit Cole is going to be a Yankee. They're making him an offer he can't refuse.

It's official, the Yankees will spend more $ this year on Cole than the Orioles will on their entire team.

Check out this breakdown someone did...based on Cole's stats last year.

He will make:

1.09 million per start
Over 169K per inning
Over 110K per strikeout
$9,200 per pitch thrown


 
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The Yankees are like a lot of people sac, they throw money at their problems then claim they have a great front office and G.M. But, put on your thinking cap (is there such a thing as a Polish thinking cap? Interesting subject for another day). 

The obvious thing for us is that in February we will see (again) a ton of "The Yankees Are Loaded" posts, and the Northeastern crowd will be ready to throw a ton of money at them. Cole is good for 1 of every 5 games, and we don't know yet how that will work out, or how good the balance of the staff will be.

So, we may see a lot of +200 dogs versus the Yankees, and on any given day, who knows?

So my early strategy will be to look for spots to fade. I don't care if they are slated to win 115 games and actually get there, good for them, but they are not likely to be a team to put dollars in your bankroll. Huge lay, low profit percent. Very high win total needed to make any money. Books love it. 

One system that will crash is the "run differential system" which looks good on paper but is not backed by mathematical fact. If you win 10 games 12-1, and lose 10 games 0-1, you are +100 RDS but 10-10 with the books. Just the same, the Yankee crowd will be backing them every day. 

If Cole stays healthy and hot for 9 years maybe they get their money's worth, I don't know, but I am not going to crown them anything at this point, other than Oriole crushers. 


 
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Damn, Yankees actually went ahead and did it


In the last 3 years Yankees tried everything, starting pitching wise, their hitting has been solid, their bullpen outstanding, but their starting pitching cost them, in 2017 against the Astros, last year against the Red Sox and this year again against the Astros, so i guess they were forced to pull the trigger on Cole. The contract is insane, no doubt about that, obviously it's hard seeing him going all 9 years, but he isn't injury prone and he can opt out after 5 years.

I don't think Cashman deserves to be mocked here, in the last 4-5 years he actually built a competitive team, mainly through great trades which vastly improved the farm system, he just couldn't solve the starting pitching. One problem was that the ownership didn't allow him to spend, they capped him, otherwise he would have surely addressed the starting pitching earlier.

At this moment, if nothing changes Yankees payroll will be past the third luxury-tax threshold of $248 million, that's why i thought they wouldn't go for Cole. It turns out they have something in the works, to reduce the payroll: they are shopping Happ around, he is owed 17 mil.

But the biggest news is that they are withholding Ellsbury's 21,2 mil for 2020, after already paying him 5 mil to release him:

According to a person familiar with the situation, the Yankees claim that Ellsbury received outside medical treatment without the club’s permission.The treatment occurred on multiple occasions and the club only became recently aware of what it views as a breach of contract.

If they could get out of it and not pay him, those 21,2 mil wouldn't count against the luxury tax.


As for the odds, i dunno in the States, but Bet365 already have the Yankees at 5.00 to win the WS, next are Dodgers and Astros at 6.50 both.

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I was thinking about that earlier Key. He's gonna get -350 lines regularly.

I wonder how the short porch will treat him? 314 vs 326 in Houston.

I have no plans to fade or back him this year really
 
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

I was thinking about that earlier Key. He's gonna get -350 lines regularly.I wonder how the short porch will treat him? 314 vs 326 in Houston.I have no plans to fade or back him this year really

A frequent play in 2020 might be

Cole -1.5 -150

Another frequent play might be

Orioles +2 +210 (against Cole)

or

Tigers +3 -140 (against Cole)

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Tigers +450 (against Cole)

Also some interesting team total and over/unders are likely...both for Cole and against Cole.

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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

Damn Gerrit Cole is going to be a Yankee. They're making him an offer he can't refuse.
It's official, the Yankees will spend more $ this year on Cole than the Orioles will on their entire team.Check out this breakdown someone did...based on Cole's stats last year.He will make:1.09 million per startOver 169K per inningOver 110K per strikeout$9,200 per pitch thrown

...at least he won't earn $ 9,200 per pitch for 4 intentional walk pitches...

 

 
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Rendon deal done with angels . 245M . 7 yrs.

So Anthony Rendon gets full no trade clause. No opt outs

Roark agreed to Jays deal. 24M, 2 years.

Blake Treinin to Dodgers. 10M, 1 year.
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Cjm, yaongingy, Jennifer, welcome to this prolific group 6 to talk baseball when no one else isn't.

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