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    Zingano vs Rousey

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    jackal4422
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2015 - 3:45 AM ET #1

    Well .... fight of the year fellas ? 

    Can't wait to watch this one if we ever get to see it.  

    Pay attention to the last two UFC cards.  Both female underdogs cashed in Fat !!!! 

    For me , I'm not any type of expert on either of these fighters, but I do think the odds are inflated for Rousey.  

    Zingano should be sitting @ around +550 maximum.  Would love for some people more informed than myself to chime in on this one. 

    footnote: i have profited the last two UFC cards and the first time winning on UFC 181.   UFC 182 was a great day for me financially, and I can claim UFC fighting as the only sport in which I've ever turned a career profit.

    GL to all 
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Well .... fight of the year fellas ? 

    Can't wait to watch this one if we ever get to see it.  

    Pay attention to the last two UFC cards.  Both female underdogs cashed in Fat !!!! 

    For me , I'm not any type of expert on either of these fighters, but I do think the odds are inflated for Rousey.  

    Zingano should be sitting @ around +550 maximum.  Would love for some people more informed than myself to chime in on this one. 

    footnote: i have profited the last two UFC cards and the first time winning on UFC 181.   UFC 182 was a great day for me financially, and I can claim UFC fighting as the only sport in which I've ever turned a career profit.

    GL to all 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 8, 2015 - 10:23 AM ET #2

    Zingano is an extremely slow starter. She usually loses the first round to quality opponents. This will not be good for her against Rowdy.

    Cat is well respected in the CO BJJ community and I think she has a much better, battle-tested chin than some of Rowdy's recent opponents.

    Cat is also extremely physically strong for a woman her size. Besides McMann, she'll have the best chance of digging out of Rowdy's clinch.

    Now for the bad. Cat has a tendency to throw wild punches and Ronda will actually be the more technical striker here in all likelihood.

    Cat also likes to make her fights a brutal war, where it's mixed between striking, scramble battles and ground fighting where she out wills her opponent. Any scramble attempt will be controlled by Rowdy.

    Rowdy will still be the stronger fighter and the better grappler from the top position.

    Cats best chance is to keep the fight standing and wear down Ronda, but has to do outside the clinch (this is very difficult). Also to use her defensive BJJ to avoid subs and to keep Ronda working the entire fight. Then, she wants to catch Ronda late or win late rounds. This is all a very tough gameplan.

    When all else fails - death, taxes, Mayweather by decision, and Ronda by arm bar.

    Good luck!
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    Zingano is an extremely slow starter. She usually loses the first round to quality opponents. This will not be good for her against Rowdy.

    Cat is well respected in the CO BJJ community and I think she has a much better, battle-tested chin than some of Rowdy's recent opponents.

    Cat is also extremely physically strong for a woman her size. Besides McMann, she'll have the best chance of digging out of Rowdy's clinch.

    Now for the bad. Cat has a tendency to throw wild punches and Ronda will actually be the more technical striker here in all likelihood.

    Cat also likes to make her fights a brutal war, where it's mixed between striking, scramble battles and ground fighting where she out wills her opponent. Any scramble attempt will be controlled by Rowdy.

    Rowdy will still be the stronger fighter and the better grappler from the top position.

    Cats best chance is to keep the fight standing and wear down Ronda, but has to do outside the clinch (this is very difficult). Also to use her defensive BJJ to avoid subs and to keep Ronda working the entire fight. Then, she wants to catch Ronda late or win late rounds. This is all a very tough gameplan.

    When all else fails - death, taxes, Mayweather by decision, and Ronda by arm bar.

    Good luck!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2015 - 2:42 AM ET #3

    I'll offer my two cents even though their are many fights before this one. I really like Cat I really do but watching her in the first round against Nunes makes me wonder if she survives the first round against Rousey. She didn't exactly dominant Tate either, plus Rousey's stand up game is getting better everyday. Dig deep in your pockets and bet the chalk here!!!!!!! I think that line might come down Jackyl because so many people hate Rousey which I hope it does.
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    I'll offer my two cents even though their are many fights before this one. I really like Cat I really do but watching her in the first round against Nunes makes me wonder if she survives the first round against Rousey. She didn't exactly dominant Tate either, plus Rousey's stand up game is getting better everyday. Dig deep in your pockets and bet the chalk here!!!!!!! I think that line might come down Jackyl because so many people hate Rousey which I hope it does.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 9, 2015 - 11:23 PM ET #4

    There's no way I would even consider laying this type of chalk on Rousey @ Ferrari.  

    I think betting like that is a good way to lose alot.  The only thing I would do is stay off the match if I think Rousey is going to win, or try a proposition bet on the fight. 

    Thanks for your infos ppl

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    There's no way I would even consider laying this type of chalk on Rousey @ Ferrari.  

    I think betting like that is a good way to lose alot.  The only thing I would do is stay off the match if I think Rousey is going to win, or try a proposition bet on the fight. 

    Thanks for your infos ppl

     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2015 - 11:27 AM ET #5

    Save your money.

    Rousey via armbar.
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    Save your money.

    Rousey via armbar.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2015 - 12:54 PM ET #6

    Cat Zingano has many many obstacles to overcome in order to win and that is why she currently stands at +775 on 5dimes:

    1.  she has fought at 125 = not a good thing considering rousey had always fought at 145 before.  in her judo days i believe she fought even heavier than 145.  there is something about a body that was so used to carrying a heavier weight and then coming down a weight class.  Does this mean that rousey is going to be able to ragdoll cat zingano?  i sure hope not because cat will need to have some success in the clinch in order to have a chance.

    2. she lost an amateur fight due to punches in the 3rd round to a girl named louise johnson in 2007 = who the hell is louise johnson?  i know it was a long time ago but to me you can't afford to have had these type of things happen in the past when facing ronda rousey.  To me almost everything has to be perfect in order for you to have a chance against rousey so being that cat zingano is one of my personal favorite fighters, even though to some people this is just something very little, i don't like it.

    3.  the grappling of miesha tate got the better of her during the first half of their fight = everything seemed to change after tate started to gas out a little afterwards, also cat went for a takedown later on and got it easy but still, no excuses to let a miesha tate (was going to drop down to 125 before ufc added a womens division) out grapple you at any point in a match for you to have a chance vs ronda rousey.  i'm not a fan of tate at all but i know that she is an excellent grappler and her strategy against rousey in the 2nd was is a good way to beat rousey in my opinion.  the only problem with tate is that she is too small.  if anyone recalls before the ufc added the womens bantamweight division, she was talking smack to tara larosa on twitter and was going to drop down to try and meet her.  One of the things that's very important against rousey is to not allow her an advantage of size because she seems to be very good at utilizing her size and technique to get the positions that she wants.  

    4.  cat zingano has started very slowly in both of her ufc first rounds = as it was mentioned earlier in this thread against nunes and tate, cat cannot afford to allow this to happen again against rousey because the bell won't ring for the 2nd round.  zingano needs to make this a dogfight, test the cardio of rousey in the later rounds, swipe an elbow on rousey to open a cut, but of course none of this is going to mean anything unless cat zingano shows she has success in the clinch.

    5.  17 year old amanda leve was able to last 20 minutes against cat zingano at a grapplers quest event/ufc fan expo = striking is not the answer to beating rousey (sorry but holly holm doesn't have a chance like a lot of people think) and that goes for anyone.  in womens mma, grappling is the key to being the best.  No matter how good of a striker you are, the fight is going to go to the mat against all the top grapplers, why?  well for 1 there's not many women that has knockout power in either hand.  jose aldo is one of few people in mma who can just flat out have the takedown defense to keep the fight standing without having it get to the ground.  ronda rousey has even stated that cat zingano is known as a striker, even though rousey is getting better on the feet, for sure she is going to look to take this to the ground, how do you think rousey would do against amanda leve? i think she would get her in less than a minute.
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    Cat Zingano has many many obstacles to overcome in order to win and that is why she currently stands at +775 on 5dimes:

    1.  she has fought at 125 = not a good thing considering rousey had always fought at 145 before.  in her judo days i believe she fought even heavier than 145.  there is something about a body that was so used to carrying a heavier weight and then coming down a weight class.  Does this mean that rousey is going to be able to ragdoll cat zingano?  i sure hope not because cat will need to have some success in the clinch in order to have a chance.

    2. she lost an amateur fight due to punches in the 3rd round to a girl named louise johnson in 2007 = who the hell is louise johnson?  i know it was a long time ago but to me you can't afford to have had these type of things happen in the past when facing ronda rousey.  To me almost everything has to be perfect in order for you to have a chance against rousey so being that cat zingano is one of my personal favorite fighters, even though to some people this is just something very little, i don't like it.

    3.  the grappling of miesha tate got the better of her during the first half of their fight = everything seemed to change after tate started to gas out a little afterwards, also cat went for a takedown later on and got it easy but still, no excuses to let a miesha tate (was going to drop down to 125 before ufc added a womens division) out grapple you at any point in a match for you to have a chance vs ronda rousey.  i'm not a fan of tate at all but i know that she is an excellent grappler and her strategy against rousey in the 2nd was is a good way to beat rousey in my opinion.  the only problem with tate is that she is too small.  if anyone recalls before the ufc added the womens bantamweight division, she was talking smack to tara larosa on twitter and was going to drop down to try and meet her.  One of the things that's very important against rousey is to not allow her an advantage of size because she seems to be very good at utilizing her size and technique to get the positions that she wants.  

    4.  cat zingano has started very slowly in both of her ufc first rounds = as it was mentioned earlier in this thread against nunes and tate, cat cannot afford to allow this to happen again against rousey because the bell won't ring for the 2nd round.  zingano needs to make this a dogfight, test the cardio of rousey in the later rounds, swipe an elbow on rousey to open a cut, but of course none of this is going to mean anything unless cat zingano shows she has success in the clinch.

    5.  17 year old amanda leve was able to last 20 minutes against cat zingano at a grapplers quest event/ufc fan expo = striking is not the answer to beating rousey (sorry but holly holm doesn't have a chance like a lot of people think) and that goes for anyone.  in womens mma, grappling is the key to being the best.  No matter how good of a striker you are, the fight is going to go to the mat against all the top grapplers, why?  well for 1 there's not many women that has knockout power in either hand.  jose aldo is one of few people in mma who can just flat out have the takedown defense to keep the fight standing without having it get to the ground.  ronda rousey has even stated that cat zingano is known as a striker, even though rousey is getting better on the feet, for sure she is going to look to take this to the ground, how do you think rousey would do against amanda leve? i think she would get her in less than a minute.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2015 - 11:47 PM ET #7

    Anyone referencing a fight that occurred in 2007 probably shouldn't be betting MMA.  
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    Anyone referencing a fight that occurred in 2007 probably shouldn't be betting MMA.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2015 - 1:50 AM ET #8

    sharpstick, i am a very nice and understanding person and would never want to hurt you but why do i get the impression that you are the type of person that nobody likes?  i get a really sick feeling that a lot of people would like to get their bare hands on you, shake you up and down and possibly choke you.  i'm not excusing these people or condoning them because i don't believe in violence but i kinda understand why they would want to do such things to you.


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    sharpstick, i am a very nice and understanding person and would never want to hurt you but why do i get the impression that you are the type of person that nobody likes?  i get a really sick feeling that a lot of people would like to get their bare hands on you, shake you up and down and possibly choke you.  i'm not excusing these people or condoning them because i don't believe in violence but i kinda understand why they would want to do such things to you.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2015 - 2:56 AM ET #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:

    sharpstick, i am a very nice and understanding person and would never want to hurt you but why do i get the impression that you are the type of person that nobody likes?  i get a really sick feeling that a lot of people would like to get their bare hands on you, shake you up and down and possibly choke you.  i'm not excusing these people or condoning them because i don't believe in violence but i kinda understand why they would want to do such things to you.


    Fortunately for me, I'm not on a message board to impress people and make friends. I call it like I see it. Referencing a fight from 2007 is probably the worst reasoning on a pick I've ever seen. In any sport. And the sad thing is, you were serious about it. Quite a worthless portion of your post.

    I'm not here challenging people to fights. Just here pointing out usually the obvious, that more compassionate posters like yourself notice, but don't bother to mention. If they don't like me for it, so be it. That's who I am. And whether they like me or not, doesn't change how I live my life.

    Do you think Fedor would beat Cain if they fought this year? I can make a compelling case he could. I mean Fedor had two wins in 2007, to Cain's zero. Therefore currently; Fedor > Cain
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:

    sharpstick, i am a very nice and understanding person and would never want to hurt you but why do i get the impression that you are the type of person that nobody likes?  i get a really sick feeling that a lot of people would like to get their bare hands on you, shake you up and down and possibly choke you.  i'm not excusing these people or condoning them because i don't believe in violence but i kinda understand why they would want to do such things to you.


    Fortunately for me, I'm not on a message board to impress people and make friends. I call it like I see it. Referencing a fight from 2007 is probably the worst reasoning on a pick I've ever seen. In any sport. And the sad thing is, you were serious about it. Quite a worthless portion of your post.

    I'm not here challenging people to fights. Just here pointing out usually the obvious, that more compassionate posters like yourself notice, but don't bother to mention. If they don't like me for it, so be it. That's who I am. And whether they like me or not, doesn't change how I live my life.

    Do you think Fedor would beat Cain if they fought this year? I can make a compelling case he could. I mean Fedor had two wins in 2007, to Cain's zero. Therefore currently; Fedor > Cain
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2015 - 10:08 AM ET #11

    Just to add a few things to the ongoing discussion:

    - Cat wasn't even Zingano in '07. She was Cat Albert. Why is this important? Her late husband (who commited suicide last year), Mauricio, was her most influential coach she had in her early years of training. I don't believe she even began training with him until about '07. Knowing about that era of mma, it was likely she was training in the basement of Lou's Diner prior to that with Tyler Durden and friends. Referencing that fight is similar to pointing out that Barry Bonds struck out in his first AB in little league.

    - I do believe in violence. I just believe in the right kind. Since young men aren't able to punch their bullies in the nose any more, they shoot up their schools. It's very sad.

    - With all this being said, "TheCrow" had some good points I agree with in his fight breakdown above and I generally agree with his analysis.

    Carry on, knuckleheads.
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    Just to add a few things to the ongoing discussion:

    - Cat wasn't even Zingano in '07. She was Cat Albert. Why is this important? Her late husband (who commited suicide last year), Mauricio, was her most influential coach she had in her early years of training. I don't believe she even began training with him until about '07. Knowing about that era of mma, it was likely she was training in the basement of Lou's Diner prior to that with Tyler Durden and friends. Referencing that fight is similar to pointing out that Barry Bonds struck out in his first AB in little league.

    - I do believe in violence. I just believe in the right kind. Since young men aren't able to punch their bullies in the nose any more, they shoot up their schools. It's very sad.

    - With all this being said, "TheCrow" had some good points I agree with in his fight breakdown above and I generally agree with his analysis.

    Carry on, knuckleheads.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpstick:



    Fortunately for me, I'm not on a message board to impress people and make friends. I call it like I see it. Referencing a fight from 2007 is probably the worst reasoning on a pick I've ever seen. In any sport. And the sad thing is, you were serious about it. Quite a worthless portion of your post.

    I'm not here challenging people to fights. Just here pointing out usually the obvious, that more compassionate posters like yourself notice, but don't bother to mention. If they don't like me for it, so be it. That's who I am. And whether they like me or not, doesn't change how I live my life.

    Do you think Fedor would beat Cain if they fought this year? I can make a compelling case he could. I mean Fedor had two wins in 2007, to Cain's zero. Therefore currently; Fedor > Cain

    yes i realize that you act the way you do online towards people who aren't friendship material for you and maybe you would never act the same way in person but it's good practice  to watch how you carry yourself online too because you never know what can happen.  Wasn't there a famous boxer on twitter who asked his followers to get the address of someone who was bothering him on there?  if i remember correctly someone got it for him somehow and then he drove to the nearby blocks in which the ip was located.  I don't think he ever got a specific address but that's probably because the hacker that messaged him wasn't russian.

    So you're not challenging people here to fights?  and you call things the way you see it?  You responded to something that i said in direct to me and it was a very cheap sentence.  It offered no insight and was very disrespectful especially when i have told you in the past that i do not like you.  If a friend wanted you to tag along to a party that he got invited to, would you go knowing that the host of the party is someone that you got into a fight with before?   So maybe you wouldn't actually go inside the house but being that you came in here to do your thing, make an example out of me for mentioning something very stupid, you're going to be standing on the sidewalk of the house party looking for trouble.  Sidewalks are considered public property and you'd not be doing anything wrong right?

    maybe someone knows something about what happened for that fight in 2007.  maybe cat zingano got injured in the first round and could not go for takedowns later on.  Maybe cat zingano went into that fight knowing she was going to fight a striker and wanted to practice her striking.  

    Anyone might say not to pay attention to the amanda leve event also but there's a respectful way of doing thinks sharpstick.  i put a lot of things in the post to give people many different things to think about or to offer an open ended discussion.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone thought me bringing up amanda leve was dumb too, but i know what i'm doing and i know what i'm getting at.

    So let me ask you something sharpstick.  lets say that we both got invited to a party of hundreds and hundreds of people.  if i saw you talking to someone that i respect i would not even care what you said, even if you said something bad about me to him that would be ok too cause you are talking to him and that's not my business.  

    But lets say you overheard a conversation i was having with someone else later on the night and i told him that fedor emelianenko would be the ufc heavyweight champion today if he fought cain velasquez.  You overhear me being so confident that this would happen, i lay down $500 on a 5dimes prop that fedor will be in the ufc for 2015 at +10000 odds to win 5 million dollars.  

    Being that you have basically said you will be who you are as a person and that if people don't like you, too bad, that you will never change how you live your life, are you going to yell out real loud at the party on how stupid i don't know mma and that i shouldn't be betting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpstick:



    Fortunately for me, I'm not on a message board to impress people and make friends. I call it like I see it. Referencing a fight from 2007 is probably the worst reasoning on a pick I've ever seen. In any sport. And the sad thing is, you were serious about it. Quite a worthless portion of your post.

    I'm not here challenging people to fights. Just here pointing out usually the obvious, that more compassionate posters like yourself notice, but don't bother to mention. If they don't like me for it, so be it. That's who I am. And whether they like me or not, doesn't change how I live my life.

    Do you think Fedor would beat Cain if they fought this year? I can make a compelling case he could. I mean Fedor had two wins in 2007, to Cain's zero. Therefore currently; Fedor > Cain

    yes i realize that you act the way you do online towards people who aren't friendship material for you and maybe you would never act the same way in person but it's good practice  to watch how you carry yourself online too because you never know what can happen.  Wasn't there a famous boxer on twitter who asked his followers to get the address of someone who was bothering him on there?  if i remember correctly someone got it for him somehow and then he drove to the nearby blocks in which the ip was located.  I don't think he ever got a specific address but that's probably because the hacker that messaged him wasn't russian.

    So you're not challenging people here to fights?  and you call things the way you see it?  You responded to something that i said in direct to me and it was a very cheap sentence.  It offered no insight and was very disrespectful especially when i have told you in the past that i do not like you.  If a friend wanted you to tag along to a party that he got invited to, would you go knowing that the host of the party is someone that you got into a fight with before?   So maybe you wouldn't actually go inside the house but being that you came in here to do your thing, make an example out of me for mentioning something very stupid, you're going to be standing on the sidewalk of the house party looking for trouble.  Sidewalks are considered public property and you'd not be doing anything wrong right?

    maybe someone knows something about what happened for that fight in 2007.  maybe cat zingano got injured in the first round and could not go for takedowns later on.  Maybe cat zingano went into that fight knowing she was going to fight a striker and wanted to practice her striking.  

    Anyone might say not to pay attention to the amanda leve event also but there's a respectful way of doing thinks sharpstick.  i put a lot of things in the post to give people many different things to think about or to offer an open ended discussion.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone thought me bringing up amanda leve was dumb too, but i know what i'm doing and i know what i'm getting at.

    So let me ask you something sharpstick.  lets say that we both got invited to a party of hundreds and hundreds of people.  if i saw you talking to someone that i respect i would not even care what you said, even if you said something bad about me to him that would be ok too cause you are talking to him and that's not my business.  

    But lets say you overheard a conversation i was having with someone else later on the night and i told him that fedor emelianenko would be the ufc heavyweight champion today if he fought cain velasquez.  You overhear me being so confident that this would happen, i lay down $500 on a 5dimes prop that fedor will be in the ufc for 2015 at +10000 odds to win 5 million dollars.  

    Being that you have basically said you will be who you are as a person and that if people don't like you, too bad, that you will never change how you live your life, are you going to yell out real loud at the party on how stupid i don't know mma and that i shouldn't be betting?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

    Just to add a few things to the ongoing discussion:

    - Cat wasn't even Zingano in '07. She was Cat Albert. Why is this important? Her late husband (who commited suicide last year), Mauricio, was her most influential coach she had in her early years of training. I don't believe she even began training with him until about '07. Knowing about that era of mma, it was likely she was training in the basement of Lou's Diner prior to that with Tyler Durden and friends. Referencing that fight is similar to pointing out that Barry Bonds struck out in his first AB in little league.

    - I do believe in violence. I just believe in the right kind. Since young men aren't able to punch their bullies in the nose any more, they shoot up their schools. It's very sad.

    - With all this being said, "TheCrow" had some good points I agree with in his fight breakdown above and I generally agree with his analysis.

    Carry on, knuckleheads.

    now that's what i like hearing, makes a lot of sense so that loss to louise johnson might not be that bad.  i believe that everyone should know that i am treating this fight on a very personal level so maybe a lot of people shouldn't pay attention to me.  i do not like ronda rousey and i believe that another champion needs to take over.  she has stated she doesn't care about being a good role model for people.  

    But anyways i'm going to put $100 on the +775 because i am biased.  If the line shows that people are putting big money on rousey i'll like it even more to put more money on cat zingano to win.  I'll post in the future on what exactly cat zingano has to do in order to win the fight.

    i do like to pay attention to the line movements especially even minutes before the fights happen.  i wanted to pick daniel cormier so bad to win against jon jones but the line was not moving much at all on the day of the fight.  in fact on 5dimes, the line moved from like a +180 or whatever it was just before the fight and it went to +175.  

    what i really like seeing was what happened in the tj dillashaw odds vs renan barao.  the line movement just kept showing everyone was picking barao and even at the last minute, it was crazy line movement and he won.  This is the same exact type of thing that i want to see happen with the ronda rousey line so we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

    Just to add a few things to the ongoing discussion:

    - Cat wasn't even Zingano in '07. She was Cat Albert. Why is this important? Her late husband (who commited suicide last year), Mauricio, was her most influential coach she had in her early years of training. I don't believe she even began training with him until about '07. Knowing about that era of mma, it was likely she was training in the basement of Lou's Diner prior to that with Tyler Durden and friends. Referencing that fight is similar to pointing out that Barry Bonds struck out in his first AB in little league.

    - I do believe in violence. I just believe in the right kind. Since young men aren't able to punch their bullies in the nose any more, they shoot up their schools. It's very sad.

    - With all this being said, "TheCrow" had some good points I agree with in his fight breakdown above and I generally agree with his analysis.

    Carry on, knuckleheads.

    now that's what i like hearing, makes a lot of sense so that loss to louise johnson might not be that bad.  i believe that everyone should know that i am treating this fight on a very personal level so maybe a lot of people shouldn't pay attention to me.  i do not like ronda rousey and i believe that another champion needs to take over.  she has stated she doesn't care about being a good role model for people.  

    But anyways i'm going to put $100 on the +775 because i am biased.  If the line shows that people are putting big money on rousey i'll like it even more to put more money on cat zingano to win.  I'll post in the future on what exactly cat zingano has to do in order to win the fight.

    i do like to pay attention to the line movements especially even minutes before the fights happen.  i wanted to pick daniel cormier so bad to win against jon jones but the line was not moving much at all on the day of the fight.  in fact on 5dimes, the line moved from like a +180 or whatever it was just before the fight and it went to +175.  

    what i really like seeing was what happened in the tj dillashaw odds vs renan barao.  the line movement just kept showing everyone was picking barao and even at the last minute, it was crazy line movement and he won.  This is the same exact type of thing that i want to see happen with the ronda rousey line so we'll see.
     
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    Thanks for all comments.  Maybe we can find something in next 1.5 month to bet.   

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    Thanks for all comments.  Maybe we can find something in next 1.5 month to bet.   

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:


    yes i realize that you act the way you do online towards people who aren't friendship material for you and maybe you would never act the same way in person but it's good practice  to watch how you carry yourself online too because you never know what can happen.  Wasn't there a famous boxer on twitter who asked his followers to get the address of someone who was bothering him on there?  if i remember correctly someone got it for him somehow and then he drove to the nearby blocks in which the ip was located.  I don't think he ever got a specific address but that's probably because the hacker that messaged him wasn't russian.

    So you're not challenging people here to fights?  and you call things the way you see it?  You responded to something that i said in direct to me and it was a very cheap sentence.  It offered no insight and was very disrespectful especially when i have told you in the past that i do not like you.  If a friend wanted you to tag along to a party that he got invited to, would you go knowing that the host of the party is someone that you got into a fight with before?   So maybe you wouldn't actually go inside the house but being that you came in here to do your thing, make an example out of me for mentioning something very stupid, you're going to be standing on the sidewalk of the house party looking for trouble.  Sidewalks are considered public property and you'd not be doing anything wrong right?

    maybe someone knows something about what happened for that fight in 2007.  maybe cat zingano got injured in the first round and could not go for takedowns later on.  Maybe cat zingano went into that fight knowing she was going to fight a striker and wanted to practice her striking.  

    Anyone might say not to pay attention to the amanda leve event also but there's a respectful way of doing thinks sharpstick.  i put a lot of things in the post to give people many different things to think about or to offer an open ended discussion.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone thought me bringing up amanda leve was dumb too, but i know what i'm doing and i know what i'm getting at.

    So let me ask you something sharpstick.  lets say that we both got invited to a party of hundreds and hundreds of people.  if i saw you talking to someone that i respect i would not even care what you said, even if you said something bad about me to him that would be ok too cause you are talking to him and that's not my business.  

    But lets say you overheard a conversation i was having with someone else later on the night and i told him that fedor emelianenko would be the ufc heavyweight champion today if he fought cain velasquez.  You overhear me being so confident that this would happen, i lay down $500 on a 5dimes prop that fedor will be in the ufc for 2015 at +10000 odds to win 5 million dollars.  

    Being that you have basically said you will be who you are as a person and that if people don't like you, too bad, that you will never change how you live your life, are you going to yell out real loud at the party on how stupid i don't know mma and that i shouldn't be betting?

    I don't like you either, and I think your opinion on MMA is totally worthless considering you got there by citing a meaningless result from 2007.  But just because I don't like you, doesn't mean you should care, or change.  The same way I couldn't care less whether you like me or not.  I'm not going to change who I am because TheCrow on covers.com doesn't like me.  And I certainly don't think you should change who you are because I don't like you.

    In your fantasy situation, I think it ends right where it started.  There's no chance you and I would end up at the same party.


    If I ever come across you in person, I'll be more than happy to let you know what I think of your MMA opinion.  No shame in being honest.  Track my IP or whatever you were trying to infer you would do in your essay long response.

    With all that said, I hope you win money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:


    yes i realize that you act the way you do online towards people who aren't friendship material for you and maybe you would never act the same way in person but it's good practice  to watch how you carry yourself online too because you never know what can happen.  Wasn't there a famous boxer on twitter who asked his followers to get the address of someone who was bothering him on there?  if i remember correctly someone got it for him somehow and then he drove to the nearby blocks in which the ip was located.  I don't think he ever got a specific address but that's probably because the hacker that messaged him wasn't russian.

    So you're not challenging people here to fights?  and you call things the way you see it?  You responded to something that i said in direct to me and it was a very cheap sentence.  It offered no insight and was very disrespectful especially when i have told you in the past that i do not like you.  If a friend wanted you to tag along to a party that he got invited to, would you go knowing that the host of the party is someone that you got into a fight with before?   So maybe you wouldn't actually go inside the house but being that you came in here to do your thing, make an example out of me for mentioning something very stupid, you're going to be standing on the sidewalk of the house party looking for trouble.  Sidewalks are considered public property and you'd not be doing anything wrong right?

    maybe someone knows something about what happened for that fight in 2007.  maybe cat zingano got injured in the first round and could not go for takedowns later on.  Maybe cat zingano went into that fight knowing she was going to fight a striker and wanted to practice her striking.  

    Anyone might say not to pay attention to the amanda leve event also but there's a respectful way of doing thinks sharpstick.  i put a lot of things in the post to give people many different things to think about or to offer an open ended discussion.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone thought me bringing up amanda leve was dumb too, but i know what i'm doing and i know what i'm getting at.

    So let me ask you something sharpstick.  lets say that we both got invited to a party of hundreds and hundreds of people.  if i saw you talking to someone that i respect i would not even care what you said, even if you said something bad about me to him that would be ok too cause you are talking to him and that's not my business.  

    But lets say you overheard a conversation i was having with someone else later on the night and i told him that fedor emelianenko would be the ufc heavyweight champion today if he fought cain velasquez.  You overhear me being so confident that this would happen, i lay down $500 on a 5dimes prop that fedor will be in the ufc for 2015 at +10000 odds to win 5 million dollars.  

    Being that you have basically said you will be who you are as a person and that if people don't like you, too bad, that you will never change how you live your life, are you going to yell out real loud at the party on how stupid i don't know mma and that i shouldn't be betting?

    I don't like you either, and I think your opinion on MMA is totally worthless considering you got there by citing a meaningless result from 2007.  But just because I don't like you, doesn't mean you should care, or change.  The same way I couldn't care less whether you like me or not.  I'm not going to change who I am because TheCrow on covers.com doesn't like me.  And I certainly don't think you should change who you are because I don't like you.

    In your fantasy situation, I think it ends right where it started.  There's no chance you and I would end up at the same party.


    If I ever come across you in person, I'll be more than happy to let you know what I think of your MMA opinion.  No shame in being honest.  Track my IP or whatever you were trying to infer you would do in your essay long response.

    With all that said, I hope you win money.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2015 - 7:14 AM ET #16

    Oh, and more importantly; Rousey via armbar. Pretty clear cut fight for me.
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    Oh, and more importantly; Rousey via armbar. Pretty clear cut fight for me.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpstick:


    I don't like you either, and I think your opinion on MMA is totally worthless considering you got there by citing a meaningless result from 2007.  But just because I don't like you, doesn't mean you should care, or change.  The same way I couldn't care less whether you like me or not.  I'm not going to change who I am because TheCrow on covers.com doesn't like me.  And I certainly don't think you should change who you are because I don't like you.

    In your fantasy situation, I think it ends right where it started.  There's no chance you and I would end up at the same party.


    If I ever come across you in person, I'll be more than happy to let you know what I think of your MMA opinion.  No shame in being honest.  Track my IP or whatever you were trying to infer you would do in your essay long response.

    With all that said, I hope you win money.

    why infer that i'm a russian ip specialist?  as nick diaz would say "don't be scared homie!" did you not trust me when i said i don't believe in violence and that i would never hurt you?  you are overlooking many many different things that i am trying to explain not only to you but to others who are reading this and don't know about having respect online towards others.  People have got to watch out how they carry themselves and maybe they won't care to go to your house, maybe they'll look to steal your identity or intercept important banking info, etc.  Malware, adware, and viruses are advanced today i mean there's a tradeoff for being able to view free tv streams of all the games online and it's just not the ads because there are ad blockers.  So what about the ad blockers?

    One day when you have kids or when you get older, you are going to look back on this conversation.  But right now it doesn't make sense to you, you're going to be your own man, you are going to be you and you won't change for anybody.  Like you said if people don't like it too bad for them.  I get it with you, whether you like someone or not, you have no problems yelling out the fact that he should not be betting on mma and all of his opinions are worthless on mma.  

    in post #10 you say that you are not challenging people to fights well i'm sorry but you are.  I know you don't understand how you're doing it but for me i don't talk to anyone i know that i don't like.  i won't go to any parties if i know there's a chance there might be some trouble.  i won't tweet anything negative to a fighter to beat him down because i lost a bet.  

    if i every came across you in person, i am not going to stop you, pull you by the arm and let you know how good of an mma opinion that you have.  That would be like me asking ronda rousey for a picture when i know she has blocked me and would recognize me from my avatar.  

    So you think all this was about me trying to change you as a person?  Has nothing to do with that, it's more about online etiquette.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpstick:


    I don't like you either, and I think your opinion on MMA is totally worthless considering you got there by citing a meaningless result from 2007.  But just because I don't like you, doesn't mean you should care, or change.  The same way I couldn't care less whether you like me or not.  I'm not going to change who I am because TheCrow on covers.com doesn't like me.  And I certainly don't think you should change who you are because I don't like you.

    In your fantasy situation, I think it ends right where it started.  There's no chance you and I would end up at the same party.


    If I ever come across you in person, I'll be more than happy to let you know what I think of your MMA opinion.  No shame in being honest.  Track my IP or whatever you were trying to infer you would do in your essay long response.

    With all that said, I hope you win money.

    why infer that i'm a russian ip specialist?  as nick diaz would say "don't be scared homie!" did you not trust me when i said i don't believe in violence and that i would never hurt you?  you are overlooking many many different things that i am trying to explain not only to you but to others who are reading this and don't know about having respect online towards others.  People have got to watch out how they carry themselves and maybe they won't care to go to your house, maybe they'll look to steal your identity or intercept important banking info, etc.  Malware, adware, and viruses are advanced today i mean there's a tradeoff for being able to view free tv streams of all the games online and it's just not the ads because there are ad blockers.  So what about the ad blockers?

    One day when you have kids or when you get older, you are going to look back on this conversation.  But right now it doesn't make sense to you, you're going to be your own man, you are going to be you and you won't change for anybody.  Like you said if people don't like it too bad for them.  I get it with you, whether you like someone or not, you have no problems yelling out the fact that he should not be betting on mma and all of his opinions are worthless on mma.  

    in post #10 you say that you are not challenging people to fights well i'm sorry but you are.  I know you don't understand how you're doing it but for me i don't talk to anyone i know that i don't like.  i won't go to any parties if i know there's a chance there might be some trouble.  i won't tweet anything negative to a fighter to beat him down because i lost a bet.  

    if i every came across you in person, i am not going to stop you, pull you by the arm and let you know how good of an mma opinion that you have.  That would be like me asking ronda rousey for a picture when i know she has blocked me and would recognize me from my avatar.  

    So you think all this was about me trying to change you as a person?  Has nothing to do with that, it's more about online etiquette.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 15, 2015 - 10:43 PM ET #18

    Zingano will lose.  Keep $ in pocket.
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    Zingano will lose.  Keep $ in pocket.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Zingano will lose.  Keep $ in pocket.

    5dimes:  cat zingano +775, ronda rousey -1200

    bestfightodds.com for cat zingano:

    +475 (opening odds) +839 and then why they have +527 as the best odds available right now?

    give me as close to +1000 with a +950 minimum and i'll think about it.  at this point the most i'm going to do is risk $50

    i already know i am going to be so dumb, drunk, and stupid 1 hour before this fight, odds for cat will might be at +425 and i'm going to put $50 on it.  at least i'm warning everyone ahead of time that i cannot be partial at all for this fight


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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    Zingano will lose.  Keep $ in pocket.

    5dimes:  cat zingano +775, ronda rousey -1200

    bestfightodds.com for cat zingano:

    +475 (opening odds) +839 and then why they have +527 as the best odds available right now?

    give me as close to +1000 with a +950 minimum and i'll think about it.  at this point the most i'm going to do is risk $50

    i already know i am going to be so dumb, drunk, and stupid 1 hour before this fight, odds for cat will might be at +425 and i'm going to put $50 on it.  at least i'm warning everyone ahead of time that i cannot be partial at all for this fight


     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2015 - 5:55 PM ET #20

    meant to say impartial
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    meant to say impartial
     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2015 - 11:30 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:


    why infer that i'm a russian ip specialist?  as nick diaz would say "don't be scared homie!" did you not trust me when i said i don't believe in violence and that i would never hurt you?  you are overlooking many many different things that i am trying to explain not only to you but to others who are reading this and don't know about having respect online towards others.  People have got to watch out how they carry themselves and maybe they won't care to go to your house, maybe they'll look to steal your identity or intercept important banking info, etc.  Malware, adware, and viruses are advanced today i mean there's a tradeoff for being able to view free tv streams of all the games online and it's just not the ads because there are ad blockers.  So what about the ad blockers?

    One day when you have kids or when you get older, you are going to look back on this conversation.  But right now it doesn't make sense to you, you're going to be your own man, you are going to be you and you won't change for anybody.  Like you said if people don't like it too bad for them.  I get it with you, whether you like someone or not, you have no problems yelling out the fact that he should not be betting on mma and all of his opinions are worthless on mma.  

    in post #10 you say that you are not challenging people to fights well i'm sorry but you are.  I know you don't understand how you're doing it but for me i don't talk to anyone i know that i don't like.  i won't go to any parties if i know there's a chance there might be some trouble.  i won't tweet anything negative to a fighter to beat him down because i lost a bet.  

    if i every came across you in person, i am not going to stop you, pull you by the arm and let you know how good of an mma opinion that you have.  That would be like me asking ronda rousey for a picture when i know she has blocked me and would recognize me from my avatar.  

    So you think all this was about me trying to change you as a person?  Has nothing to do with that, it's more about online etiquette.  

    Someone who doesn't spell correctly, or use proper grammar shouldn't be critiquing someone else's online etiquette.

    You're a clown anyway I slice it.  You don't like me, I don't like you.  Big deal.  When you post something stupid, I'll be here to let you know.  If by some random one in a million shot you post something useful, I'll let you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow:


    why infer that i'm a russian ip specialist?  as nick diaz would say "don't be scared homie!" did you not trust me when i said i don't believe in violence and that i would never hurt you?  you are overlooking many many different things that i am trying to explain not only to you but to others who are reading this and don't know about having respect online towards others.  People have got to watch out how they carry themselves and maybe they won't care to go to your house, maybe they'll look to steal your identity or intercept important banking info, etc.  Malware, adware, and viruses are advanced today i mean there's a tradeoff for being able to view free tv streams of all the games online and it's just not the ads because there are ad blockers.  So what about the ad blockers?

    One day when you have kids or when you get older, you are going to look back on this conversation.  But right now it doesn't make sense to you, you're going to be your own man, you are going to be you and you won't change for anybody.  Like you said if people don't like it too bad for them.  I get it with you, whether you like someone or not, you have no problems yelling out the fact that he should not be betting on mma and all of his opinions are worthless on mma.  

    in post #10 you say that you are not challenging people to fights well i'm sorry but you are.  I know you don't understand how you're doing it but for me i don't talk to anyone i know that i don't like.  i won't go to any parties if i know there's a chance there might be some trouble.  i won't tweet anything negative to a fighter to beat him down because i lost a bet.  

    if i every came across you in person, i am not going to stop you, pull you by the arm and let you know how good of an mma opinion that you have.  That would be like me asking ronda rousey for a picture when i know she has blocked me and would recognize me from my avatar.  

    So you think all this was about me trying to change you as a person?  Has nothing to do with that, it's more about online etiquette.  

    Someone who doesn't spell correctly, or use proper grammar shouldn't be critiquing someone else's online etiquette.

    You're a clown anyway I slice it.  You don't like me, I don't like you.  Big deal.  When you post something stupid, I'll be here to let you know.  If by some random one in a million shot you post something useful, I'll let you know.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2015 - 11:43 AM ET #22

    spelling or grammar doesn't have anything to do with personal attacks on a message board, you picking a fight with me over the internet?
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    spelling or grammar doesn't have anything to do with personal attacks on a message board, you picking a fight with me over the internet?
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