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    UFC FN 58, Titan FC 32

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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2014 - 12:57 PM ET #1

    35-25 +18.3

    I'm not too hot on these Brazil cards, so tread lightly. Some leans:

    Dolloway/Machida O2.5 +110
    CB trains with Ryan Bader and has a very similar fighting style. I imagine all they've worked on in this camp is to throw punches and clinch with his shoulders back and his chin tucked on his chest, which actually, Dolloway does much better than Ryan. He can't reach for anything or extend, and they know this. I hate to say it, but I imagine this will be somewhat boring with machida looking to counter and CB not giving him much to counter.

    Barao vs Gagnon is likely a pass for me. There are just too many question marks. Nova Uniao has had a bad run of sorts - not counting the best fighter in the world. Claudia didn't look very impressive vs Joanna and threw a sucker punch after the bell, JDS looked a bit flat, Renan was dominated and then missed weight. On paper, this is Renan's fight. Gagnon doesn't have the striking to keep up or the wrestling to take it down, but what Renan will we see? I have no idea.

    Pat Cummins -155 over Carlos Junior
    Antonio enjoys the grapple. He's got a good top control game and very heavy mount. But we'll never see that. Cummins will stay on top and GnP his way to an easy decision or late stoppage.

    Rashid Magomedov + Elias Silverio goes to decision -180
    These guys are both basically undefeated (Rashid lost a split decision in 2010) so their best opponents have been their last 5 fights. Rashid is 5-0 with 5 decisions in his last 5, Silverio is 5-0 with 4 decisions. His only finish was in the last minute of a 3rd round. These guys fight to win rounds, and while there's nothing wrong with that, this fight will be a close decision one way or the other. I lean Magomedov, but not enough to bet it.

    Carneiro +110 over Niinimaki
    Carneiro is slightly more technical and high volume than Tom on the feet, who often loops his punches. Carneiro will also have a length advantage to work leg kicks. Tom usually enjoys taking fights to the ground because he enjoys a strength advantage against most everyone at 145. That will be a bad idea against Renato.

    More to come as the week moves on. Good luck.
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    35-25 +18.3

    I'm not too hot on these Brazil cards, so tread lightly. Some leans:

    Dolloway/Machida O2.5 +110
    CB trains with Ryan Bader and has a very similar fighting style. I imagine all they've worked on in this camp is to throw punches and clinch with his shoulders back and his chin tucked on his chest, which actually, Dolloway does much better than Ryan. He can't reach for anything or extend, and they know this. I hate to say it, but I imagine this will be somewhat boring with machida looking to counter and CB not giving him much to counter.

    Barao vs Gagnon is likely a pass for me. There are just too many question marks. Nova Uniao has had a bad run of sorts - not counting the best fighter in the world. Claudia didn't look very impressive vs Joanna and threw a sucker punch after the bell, JDS looked a bit flat, Renan was dominated and then missed weight. On paper, this is Renan's fight. Gagnon doesn't have the striking to keep up or the wrestling to take it down, but what Renan will we see? I have no idea.

    Pat Cummins -155 over Carlos Junior
    Antonio enjoys the grapple. He's got a good top control game and very heavy mount. But we'll never see that. Cummins will stay on top and GnP his way to an easy decision or late stoppage.

    Rashid Magomedov + Elias Silverio goes to decision -180
    These guys are both basically undefeated (Rashid lost a split decision in 2010) so their best opponents have been their last 5 fights. Rashid is 5-0 with 5 decisions in his last 5, Silverio is 5-0 with 4 decisions. His only finish was in the last minute of a 3rd round. These guys fight to win rounds, and while there's nothing wrong with that, this fight will be a close decision one way or the other. I lean Magomedov, but not enough to bet it.

    Carneiro +110 over Niinimaki
    Carneiro is slightly more technical and high volume than Tom on the feet, who often loops his punches. Carneiro will also have a length advantage to work leg kicks. Tom usually enjoys taking fights to the ground because he enjoys a strength advantage against most everyone at 145. That will be a bad idea against Renato.

    More to come as the week moves on. Good luck.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2014 - 4:34 PM ET #2

    This card does not step up well for me at all. Lots average guys with inflated numbers. Actually I like the undercard better for some bets. Got any info on that O????
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    This card does not step up well for me at all. Lots average guys with inflated numbers. Actually I like the undercard better for some bets. Got any info on that O????
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2014 - 5:10 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

    35-25 +18.3

    I'm not too hot on these Brazil cards, so tread lightly. Some leans:

    Dolloway/Machida O2.5 +110
    CB trains with Ryan Bader and has a very similar fighting style. I imagine all they've worked on in this camp is to throw punches and clinch with his shoulders back and his chin tucked on his chest, which actually, Dolloway does much better than Ryan. He can't reach for anything or extend, and they know this. I hate to say it, but I imagine this will be somewhat boring with machida looking to counter and CB not giving him much to counter.

    Barao vs Gagnon is likely a pass for me. There are just too many question marks. Nova Uniao has had a bad run of sorts - not counting the best fighter in the world. Claudia didn't look very impressive vs Joanna and threw a sucker punch after the bell, JDS looked a bit flat, Renan was dominated and then missed weight. On paper, this is Renan's fight. Gagnon doesn't have the striking to keep up or the wrestling to take it down, but what Renan will we see? I have no idea.

    Pat Cummins -155 over Carlos Junior
    Antonio enjoys the grapple. He's got a good top control game and very heavy mount. But we'll never see that. Cummins will stay on top and GnP his way to an easy decision or late stoppage.

    Rashid Magomedov + Elias Silverio goes to decision -180
    These guys are both basically undefeated (Rashid lost a split decision in 2010) so their best opponents have been their last 5 fights. Rashid is 5-0 with 5 decisions in his last 5, Silverio is 5-0 with 4 decisions. His only finish was in the last minute of a 3rd round. These guys fight to win rounds, and while there's nothing wrong with that, this fight will be a close decision one way or the other. I lean Magomedov, but not enough to bet it.

    Carneiro +110 over Niinimaki
    Carneiro is slightly more technical and high volume than Tom on the feet, who often loops his punches. Carneiro will also have a length advantage to work leg kicks. Tom usually enjoys taking fights to the ground because he enjoys a strength advantage against most everyone at 145. That will be a bad idea against Renato.

    More to come as the week moves on. Good luck.

    I'm going with Silverio.  Home dog here.  He has looked like he's big and strong and hasn't lost.  Magomedov was losing to Tony Martin until Martin gassed.  Then, just barely won a striking battle against Damm, who's striking basically sucks.  Think this one's a tossup but see some value in the home dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

    35-25 +18.3

    I'm not too hot on these Brazil cards, so tread lightly. Some leans:

    Dolloway/Machida O2.5 +110
    CB trains with Ryan Bader and has a very similar fighting style. I imagine all they've worked on in this camp is to throw punches and clinch with his shoulders back and his chin tucked on his chest, which actually, Dolloway does much better than Ryan. He can't reach for anything or extend, and they know this. I hate to say it, but I imagine this will be somewhat boring with machida looking to counter and CB not giving him much to counter.

    Barao vs Gagnon is likely a pass for me. There are just too many question marks. Nova Uniao has had a bad run of sorts - not counting the best fighter in the world. Claudia didn't look very impressive vs Joanna and threw a sucker punch after the bell, JDS looked a bit flat, Renan was dominated and then missed weight. On paper, this is Renan's fight. Gagnon doesn't have the striking to keep up or the wrestling to take it down, but what Renan will we see? I have no idea.

    Pat Cummins -155 over Carlos Junior
    Antonio enjoys the grapple. He's got a good top control game and very heavy mount. But we'll never see that. Cummins will stay on top and GnP his way to an easy decision or late stoppage.

    Rashid Magomedov + Elias Silverio goes to decision -180
    These guys are both basically undefeated (Rashid lost a split decision in 2010) so their best opponents have been their last 5 fights. Rashid is 5-0 with 5 decisions in his last 5, Silverio is 5-0 with 4 decisions. His only finish was in the last minute of a 3rd round. These guys fight to win rounds, and while there's nothing wrong with that, this fight will be a close decision one way or the other. I lean Magomedov, but not enough to bet it.

    Carneiro +110 over Niinimaki
    Carneiro is slightly more technical and high volume than Tom on the feet, who often loops his punches. Carneiro will also have a length advantage to work leg kicks. Tom usually enjoys taking fights to the ground because he enjoys a strength advantage against most everyone at 145. That will be a bad idea against Renato.

    More to come as the week moves on. Good luck.

    I'm going with Silverio.  Home dog here.  He has looked like he's big and strong and hasn't lost.  Magomedov was losing to Tony Martin until Martin gassed.  Then, just barely won a striking battle against Damm, who's striking basically sucks.  Think this one's a tossup but see some value in the home dog.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2014 - 11:30 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

    This card does not step up well for me at all. Lots average guys with inflated numbers. Actually I like the undercard better for some bets. Got any info on that O????


    I'm looking at a few of them but some of them I'm unfamiliar with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

    This card does not step up well for me at all. Lots average guys with inflated numbers. Actually I like the undercard better for some bets. Got any info on that O????


    I'm looking at a few of them but some of them I'm unfamiliar with.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2014 - 11:36 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by ParlayJoe17:


    I'm going with Silverio.  Home dog here.  He has looked like he's big and strong and hasn't lost.  Magomedov was losing to Tony Martin until Martin gassed.  Then, just barely won a striking battle against Damm, who's striking basically sucks.  Think this one's a tossup but see some value in the home dog.


    That is actually a pretty good angle. Most of those 2-1 close decisions in Brazil do get the home town decision. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParlayJoe17:


    I'm going with Silverio.  Home dog here.  He has looked like he's big and strong and hasn't lost.  Magomedov was losing to Tony Martin until Martin gassed.  Then, just barely won a striking battle against Damm, who's striking basically sucks.  Think this one's a tossup but see some value in the home dog.


    That is actually a pretty good angle. Most of those 2-1 close decisions in Brazil do get the home town decision. Good luck.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2014 - 11:53 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

    This card does not step up well for me at all. Lots average guys with inflated numbers. Actually I like the undercard better for some bets. Got any info on that O????
    I'm looking at a few of them but some of them I'm unfamiliar with.

    Let's put it this way, he went 3 rounds with Lamas!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

    This card does not step up well for me at all. Lots average guys with inflated numbers. Actually I like the undercard better for some bets. Got any info on that O????
    I'm looking at a few of them but some of them I'm unfamiliar with.

    Let's put it this way, he went 3 rounds with Lamas!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2014 - 3:59 PM ET #7

    I actually slightly lean Elkins, but I'll probably pass. All else equal, I prefer Brazilian fighters who are stand-up first with take down defense against wrestlers. Dias is more of a BJJ first guy. The problem with that is that he's lived a whole life of competition on his back, and Elkins certainly won't mind taking it there. In a fight that'll likely go the distance, a take down or fence control round could decide the entire fight. Hacran tends to fight close fights with both his fights with Lentz and Lamas being pretty close decisions. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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    I actually slightly lean Elkins, but I'll probably pass. All else equal, I prefer Brazilian fighters who are stand-up first with take down defense against wrestlers. Dias is more of a BJJ first guy. The problem with that is that he's lived a whole life of competition on his back, and Elkins certainly won't mind taking it there. In a fight that'll likely go the distance, a take down or fence control round could decide the entire fight. Hacran tends to fight close fights with both his fights with Lentz and Lamas being pretty close decisions. Good luck with whatever you decide.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 17, 2014 - 4:11 PM ET #8

    Dias turns it around this weekend O. Can't stand the way Elkins fights, he won't win another decision in Brazil cage hugging!!!
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    Dias turns it around this weekend O. Can't stand the way Elkins fights, he won't win another decision in Brazil cage hugging!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2014 - 8:03 AM ET #9

    gl man !
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    gl man !
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2014 - 4:45 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by jackal4422:

    gl man !


    Thanks jackal, you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal4422:

    gl man !


    Thanks jackal, you too.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2014 - 4:46 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

    Dias turns it around this weekend O. Can't stand the way Elkins fights, he won't win another decision in Brazil cage hugging!!!


    I hope you're right! Cheers to some extra holiday coin this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

    Dias turns it around this weekend O. Can't stand the way Elkins fights, he won't win another decision in Brazil cage hugging!!!


    I hope you're right! Cheers to some extra holiday coin this weekend.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2014 - 4:50 PM ET #12

    First little parlay for tonight's Titan card:

    Green + Hawn + Harrison
    1 to win 1.1

    That'll be it for tonight. I've been less than stellar on these Friday night regional shows so hopefully I turn it around and this hits. Good luck. Be back later with final ufc plays.
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    First little parlay for tonight's Titan card:

    Green + Hawn + Harrison
    1 to win 1.1

    That'll be it for tonight. I've been less than stellar on these Friday night regional shows so hopefully I turn it around and this hits. Good luck. Be back later with final ufc plays.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2014 - 9:04 AM ET #13

    35-25 +18.3

    +1.1 parlay (man, Des Green is hard to watch sometimes)

    36-25 +19.4

    In order from fave to least:

    Carneiro -115 2.3 to win 2
    Dolloway/Machida start round 3 -105 2.1 to win 2
    Magomedov/Silverio decision -180 1.8 to win 1
    Cummins -170 1.7 to win 1
    Erick Silva inside distance -160 1.6 to win 1
    Means wins by TKO/KO +170 1 to win 1.7

    That'll be it. Good luck.
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    35-25 +18.3

    +1.1 parlay (man, Des Green is hard to watch sometimes)

    36-25 +19.4

    In order from fave to least:

    Carneiro -115 2.3 to win 2
    Dolloway/Machida start round 3 -105 2.1 to win 2
    Magomedov/Silverio decision -180 1.8 to win 1
    Cummins -170 1.7 to win 1
    Erick Silva inside distance -160 1.6 to win 1
    Means wins by TKO/KO +170 1 to win 1.7

    That'll be it. Good luck.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2014 - 7:45 PM ET #14

    I hate that 3 point knee to a grounded opponent rule. Almost as stupid as the 12 to 6 elbow.
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    I hate that 3 point knee to a grounded opponent rule. Almost as stupid as the 12 to 6 elbow.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 20, 2014 - 8:20 PM ET #15

    When are one of these Japanese prospects ever gonna pan out? Total dominance by Issa. I expected Issa to dominate the ground, but he was levels above on the feet as well.
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    When are one of these Japanese prospects ever gonna pan out? Total dominance by Issa. I expected Issa to dominate the ground, but he was levels above on the feet as well.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 21, 2014 - 9:20 AM ET #16

    36-25 +19.4

    -1 Means by TKO
    +2 Carneiro
    +1 Silva ITD
    -1.8 Magomedov/Silverio decision*
    +1 Cummins
    -2.1 Dolloway/Machida start 3

    39-28 +18.5

    * A couple weeks ago, I had Frankie/Cub do not go to decision. I won that by a few seconds with Frankie squeezing out a neck crank in the last moments of the fight. This was payback for that win.
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    36-25 +19.4

    -1 Means by TKO
    +2 Carneiro
    +1 Silva ITD
    -1.8 Magomedov/Silverio decision*
    +1 Cummins
    -2.1 Dolloway/Machida start 3

    39-28 +18.5

    * A couple weeks ago, I had Frankie/Cub do not go to decision. I won that by a few seconds with Frankie squeezing out a neck crank in the last moments of the fight. This was payback for that win.
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