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Why should I care? It doesn't affect my life one way or the other. I watch sports to be entertained and it's entertaining either way. In fact, one could argue that it's more entertaining. Don't mistake that as me condoning it or hoping guys cheat. I wish they didn't for numerous reasons. But, I also am not going to get all worked up about it if they do. That's above my pay grade. I simply want entertainment, and that comes either way. I'll let the people who are truly affected by doping worry about that problem.

But, that's just me. I understand why it upsets people and I'm not trying to convince anyone to see it differently. Just sharing my view on it.

I wonder - suppose they had two competing leagues: one where juicing was legal and another where everyone was clean. I wonder which would ultimately end up being more entertaining? More popular?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by PoleShiftTime:



I wonder - suppose they had two competing leagues: one where juicing was legal and another where everyone was clean. I wonder which would ultimately end up being more entertaining? More popular?

I always wondered the same thing about baseball, when they were all juicing, the league that was not regulated would def have the better fights, the problem is when your dealing with health, you need to try and have a level playing field.

 
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What's funny is that in the highest levels of competition Jiu jitsu, there is very little or 0 testing. In Pride, guys were encouraged to juice. In high level kickboxing, there is very limited testing. In point fighting, there is almost 0 testing. In college wrestling, there's very limited testing.

I'm not saying I'm for guys juicing, but in order to get to the ufc, almost everyone does it at some point. Once you get there, it's hard to say "no". In no sports are guys tested all the time, so it's easy to use if you have the discipline and resources.

They should be working to making things safer - it's not possible to make any sport 'clean'.
 
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31% of ufc fighters tested out of competition failed drug tests. That's significant
 
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I care a lot. MMA his my biggest passion in life and i want to know who his the best, and for that question to be answered, everyone must be playing on equal settings. Plus i care about a lot about these people, and it destroys their body, but they used to have to do it because most other fighters were doing it and they did not want to be at a disadvantage.
 Now that testing have increased tenfold over the last few years, we will see a change in that, which his good because we will be able to see who his the greatest and not who uses the best PED. 
 
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But to be fair, ped does NOT make you have quicker reflexes, better timing, better technical striking attack, striking defence,   ect.....
 
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31% of ufc fighters tested out of competition failed drug tests. That's significant

wow
 
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lost your mind if you don't think it makes you better and everyone would watch the one where everyone is juicing, look how much longer it takes guys to recover and look at the guys Ufc has lost since the testing another way to police people 
 
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Also one critical factor is speeding up recovery time from injuries, which every fighter gets in training
 
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Quote Originally Posted by sawman:

Also one critical factor is speeding up recovery time from injuries, which every fighter gets in training


That's the biggest benefit for all athletes. Let's say you're a pro golfer. On average, your body can only take 36 holes per day, 4 days a week (or whatever -- I don't golf). If you can take something to increase your practice to more holes, more times per week and those reps help you make $300,000 extra per year, of course you're gonna do it.

The testing has changed so drastically in the last year for mma and if other sports had the same changes, you'd have the same results. This isn't a uniquely mma thing. Other athletes are just better at beating their system.

I remember hearing stories about drug use in cycling during the Armstrong days. Guys would take so much dope that, in the middle of the night during races, guys would need to wake up and ride 10-15 miles so their bodies wouldn't shock.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:



That's the biggest benefit for all athletes. Let's say you're a pro golfer. On average, your body can only take 36 holes per day, 4 days a week (or whatever -- I don't golf). If you can take something to increase your practice to more holes, more times per week and those reps help you make $300,000 extra per year, of course you're gonna do it.

The testing has changed so drastically in the last year for mma and if other sports had the same changes, you'd have the same results. This isn't a uniquely mma thing. Other athletes are just better at beating their system.

I remember hearing stories about drug use in cycling during the Armstrong days. Guys would take so much dope that, in the middle of the night during races, guys would need to wake up and ride 10-15 miles so their bodies wouldn't shock.


speaking of golfers O, i guarntee Tiger was on something back in the day!!!!!!!!! Look at him now, bodies all fallen apart etc.
 
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almost guarantee Tiger was played some mini events and have a lot of friends that play on senior and regular tour and that was the talk when the knee injury was going on they came to him and said he needed to come off and he already was having trouble with the knee so it was good for tv believe it or not it was talked about and no golfer was going to say anything look at the money he brought to golf only idiots rat out there buddy when all are profiting} back to UFC it will fade if they don't allow them, who doesn't want to see Brock back on the juice (why he is gone) and alister crap all of them 
 
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You can add Lombard to the list now, not shocked by his name appearing!!!
 
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me either but if he isn't on it no one wants to see him fight   no one can take leg kicks body kicks and be ready to fight a lot in a year. they are grown men if they want 2 use let them stop policing everything
 
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I can assure you the Ufc that I loved to watch looks nothing like it was keep drug testing grown men because they love them and want there safety yea right let won lose all of its money and see which one will help them starting to be like the government setting laws for everything they are grown.  land of the free   God bless us
 
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Yeah Silva who could stand toe to toe with Hunt on TRT, can't even take a jab from Mir!!!!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Ferrari29:

Yeah Silva who could stand toe to toe with Hunt on TRT, can't even take a jab from Mir!!!!

with a chin that size i'd just run around he's bound to knock himself out on something. but ya hes a beast and his bout with velasquez was wild
 
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it will be best time for someone to start a mma league without testing and it would take over just like most business leaving America to many laws and taxes. (grown men they can choose for themselves)  see how baseball was when everyone was hitting homeruns and now 1 to 0  soccer game land of the free  
 
 
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another 1 out
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