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    Manhoef -130???

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    rzagza
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 3:46 PM ET #1

    WTF?  Thats it?  Seriously?

    What am I missing here?

    He ends this in the first round.  Maybe first minute.
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    WTF?  Thats it?  Seriously?

    What am I missing here?

    He ends this in the first round.  Maybe first minute.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 4:16 PM ET #2

    If it's too good to be true...

    Schilling is a better kickboxer than Manhoef and the O/U on takedowns would be .5 if there was such a line.
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    If it's too good to be true...

    Schilling is a better kickboxer than Manhoef and the O/U on takedowns would be .5 if there was such a line.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 4:25 PM ET #3

    Plus it opened at -165. They're begging for your money.
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    Plus it opened at -165. They're begging for your money.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 4:32 PM ET #4

    This isnt kickboxing.  The striking discipline is different in MMA.
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    This isnt kickboxing.  The striking discipline is different in MMA.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 4:40 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    This isnt kickboxing.  The striking discipline is different in MMA.


    Yeah, striking is different in mma because of the cage and the threat of takedown. When two guys have no interest in takedowns or cage pressure and also happen to be both high level Dutch-style kickboxers, the posture will look much more upright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    This isnt kickboxing.  The striking discipline is different in MMA.


    Yeah, striking is different in mma because of the cage and the threat of takedown. When two guys have no interest in takedowns or cage pressure and also happen to be both high level Dutch-style kickboxers, the posture will look much more upright.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 4:54 PM ET #6

    And the gloves are 4 oz.  Manheof understands what the differences are and has had alot of success.  Schilling hasnt found any of the same success.  I know, I know, Schilling has been submitted in his MMA fights and Melvin doesnt bother with subs but the fact remains that Schilling hasnt had any success in the cage even with his kickboxing experience.  The deliver of kicks and strikes is much different in a cage environment with smaller gloves on.
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    And the gloves are 4 oz.  Manheof understands what the differences are and has had alot of success.  Schilling hasnt found any of the same success.  I know, I know, Schilling has been submitted in his MMA fights and Melvin doesnt bother with subs but the fact remains that Schilling hasnt had any success in the cage even with his kickboxing experience.  The deliver of kicks and strikes is much different in a cage environment with smaller gloves on.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2014 - 5:11 PM ET #7

    Yeah sure, the small gloves are important because head movement and range is much more important - clean shots at good range are much more devastating in 4 ozers - while in kickboxing you can take a few more risks in striking range. I still think that favors Schilling since he's longer and depends more on straights than hooks, but we shall see.

    I'm completely with you, man. I saw the line and thought WTF? In another thread I predicted the line at Melvin -350 or something before it opened. But I think a guy like Melvin is a perfect mma fight for a guy like Schilling and when I see a line that begs for action and has even improved since the open, I have a hard time being on the "easy" side. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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    Yeah sure, the small gloves are important because head movement and range is much more important - clean shots at good range are much more devastating in 4 ozers - while in kickboxing you can take a few more risks in striking range. I still think that favors Schilling since he's longer and depends more on straights than hooks, but we shall see.

    I'm completely with you, man. I saw the line and thought WTF? In another thread I predicted the line at Melvin -350 or something before it opened. But I think a guy like Melvin is a perfect mma fight for a guy like Schilling and when I see a line that begs for action and has even improved since the open, I have a hard time being on the "easy" side. Good luck with whatever you decide.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 7:42 PM ET #8

    I was starting a thread with the same exact question but came across yours first.... Guy hes fighting is 1-3? and Melvin only -145?? im also confused.... Im parlaying it with the under 1.5 - , doubt its going that long
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    I was starting a thread with the same exact question but came across yours first.... Guy hes fighting is 1-3? and Melvin only -145?? im also confused.... Im parlaying it with the under 1.5 - , doubt its going that long
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 7:48 PM ET #9

    1-3 in mma. Check out the same guy in kickboxing.
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    1-3 in mma. Check out the same guy in kickboxing.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 7:51 PM ET #10

    His last mma fight was also 6+ years ago. The lines makers aren't giving money away for free.
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    His last mma fight was also 6+ years ago. The lines makers aren't giving money away for free.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 7:55 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:



    Yeah, striking is different in mma because of the cage and the threat of takedown. When two guys have no interest in takedowns or cage pressure and also happen to be both high level Dutch-style kickboxers, the posture will look much more upright.

    agreed

    and schilling just placed second in the kickboxing tournament that melvin lost in the quarterfinals

    the mma records mean nothing in this fight as there in all likelihood be no fighting taking place on the ground or in the clinch

    if schilling can get out of the first round history says that he has a good chance of winning as all of melvins kos have pretty much come in the first five minutes 


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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheO:



    Yeah, striking is different in mma because of the cage and the threat of takedown. When two guys have no interest in takedowns or cage pressure and also happen to be both high level Dutch-style kickboxers, the posture will look much more upright.

    agreed

    and schilling just placed second in the kickboxing tournament that melvin lost in the quarterfinals

    the mma records mean nothing in this fight as there in all likelihood be no fighting taking place on the ground or in the clinch

    if schilling can get out of the first round history says that he has a good chance of winning as all of melvins kos have pretty much come in the first five minutes 


     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 7:56 PM ET #12

    funny everyone high on his kickboxing but his only win was by submission lol
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    funny everyone high on his kickboxing but his only win was by submission lol
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 7:58 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by NickCapone:

    I was starting a thread with the same exact question but came across yours first.... Guy hes fighting is 1-3? and Melvin only -145?? im also confused.... Im parlaying it with the under 1.5 - , doubt its going that long

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Schilling

    this is the record that you want to be looking at

    this is going to be a great fight,much better than the ortiz/bonner fight
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    Quote Originally Posted by NickCapone:

    I was starting a thread with the same exact question but came across yours first.... Guy hes fighting is 1-3? and Melvin only -145?? im also confused.... Im parlaying it with the under 1.5 - , doubt its going that long

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Schilling

    this is the record that you want to be looking at

    this is going to be a great fight,much better than the ortiz/bonner fight
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2014 - 10:23 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    WTF?  Thats it?  Seriously?What am I missing here?He ends this in the first round.  Maybe first minute.


    Just stick to tennis forum .....actually just stick to picking your nose and playinh world of war craft in ur moms basement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    WTF?  Thats it?  Seriously?What am I missing here?He ends this in the first round.  Maybe first minute.


    Just stick to tennis forum .....actually just stick to picking your nose and playinh world of war craft in ur moms basement.
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