That view extends to a $3 billion portfolio of E*Trade's mortgages and
other securities, which Citadel now has agreed to buy from E*Trade for
$800 million. Citadel also is injecting $1.75 billion into E*Trade, in
exchange for 10-year E*Trade notes that pay it 12.5% interest and
shares boosting its stake to almost 20% of E*Trade's stock outstanding.
Etrade sold 3B of loans for 800M and will pay 12.5% on the 1.75B loan over 10 yrs.
This is awful putting it lightly. They took a 2 plus BILLION dollar hit on the CDOs and will be paying HUGE interest expense for the loan and shares. I would also be interested in seeing how cheap they got the shares.
This news was out on Wed...not a reason to buy the stock on Monday.
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Just got my answer and it ISNT good-
That view extends to a $3 billion portfolio of E*Trade's mortgages and
other securities, which Citadel now has agreed to buy from E*Trade for
$800 million. Citadel also is injecting $1.75 billion into E*Trade, in
exchange for 10-year E*Trade notes that pay it 12.5% interest and
shares boosting its stake to almost 20% of E*Trade's stock outstanding.
Etrade sold 3B of loans for 800M and will pay 12.5% on the 1.75B loan over 10 yrs.
This is awful putting it lightly. They took a 2 plus BILLION dollar hit on the CDOs and will be paying HUGE interest expense for the loan and shares. I would also be interested in seeing how cheap they got the shares.
This news was out on Wed...not a reason to buy the stock on Monday.
OK, this is coming back to me now. I think I was getting this and the Citi deal confused. Anyway, here is a good read. Of the 2.55 billion, 800 million takes the 3 billion loan agreements of the etfc books and Citadel assumes those. The balance of the 1.75 billion takes the form of notes paying a hefty 12.5% interest, AND Citadel gets 84 million shares of stock for doing absoultely nothing.
This quote from the article pretty much sums it up:
Hecht said shareholders, in contrast, "suffer (more than) 40 percent earnings per share dilution and 100 percent tangible equity dilution."
I'd say etfc is pretty much f'ed.
I'm more of a trader by nature than an investor, but I will only trade in companies I wouldn't mind going long with. ETFC is not a company with very much upside potential (on it's own merits) for a very long time, and there is no way in hell would I want to be long with them.
OK, this is coming back to me now. I think I was getting this and the Citi deal confused. Anyway, here is a good read. Of the 2.55 billion, 800 million takes the 3 billion loan agreements of the etfc books and Citadel assumes those. The balance of the 1.75 billion takes the form of notes paying a hefty 12.5% interest, AND Citadel gets 84 million shares of stock for doing absoultely nothing.
This quote from the article pretty much sums it up:
Hecht said shareholders, in contrast, "suffer (more than) 40 percent earnings per share dilution and 100 percent tangible equity dilution."
I'd say etfc is pretty much f'ed.
I'm more of a trader by nature than an investor, but I will only trade in companies I wouldn't mind going long with. ETFC is not a company with very much upside potential (on it's own merits) for a very long time, and there is no way in hell would I want to be long with them.
Agreed. With those terms, there had to be a run on the bank/brokerage and were desperate for a deal getting done asap. Plus the 84 million shares to Citadel for no compensation.......wtf.
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Agreed. With those terms, there had to be a run on the bank/brokerage and were desperate for a deal getting done asap. Plus the 84 million shares to Citadel for no compensation.......wtf.
ETFC will sell itself to Ameritrade for any price. The executives at ETFC who oversaw this mess shall all be fired, but the board will go to Ameritrade.
This deal has been in the works for about a decade.....now it'll get done for about 3 dollars a share.
Unbelievable.
No, it is. Wall Street is nothing but liars and crooks.....the bottom of the barrel.....along with all of us degenerate gamblers who'd sell anything for the right price. Let's face it.....scummy industry....and I guess when you lie down with pigs, you're bound to stink.
Not meaning to ruffle anyone's feathers here......just telling it like it is.
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ETFC will sell itself to Ameritrade for any price. The executives at ETFC who oversaw this mess shall all be fired, but the board will go to Ameritrade.
This deal has been in the works for about a decade.....now it'll get done for about 3 dollars a share.
Unbelievable.
No, it is. Wall Street is nothing but liars and crooks.....the bottom of the barrel.....along with all of us degenerate gamblers who'd sell anything for the right price. Let's face it.....scummy industry....and I guess when you lie down with pigs, you're bound to stink.
Not meaning to ruffle anyone's feathers here......just telling it like it is.
In the interim, I hope my holdings go the right way for me and that I can win some money gambling on sports.....the sooner the better. Yesterday is too late, goddarn it!!!!
Current Holdings:
SPWR (129ish)----LONG HAUL
MSFT (34ish)-----LONG HAUL
GTLS (26ish)------LONG HAUL
CRDC (9ish)------LONG HAUL
US Dollar------LONG HAUL
SPY Short (145.5)------SHORT TERM "TRADE"
Gambling and selling out for a higher price...............
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In the interim, I hope my holdings go the right way for me and that I can win some money gambling on sports.....the sooner the better. Yesterday is too late, goddarn it!!!!
Current Holdings:
SPWR (129ish)----LONG HAUL
MSFT (34ish)-----LONG HAUL
GTLS (26ish)------LONG HAUL
CRDC (9ish)------LONG HAUL
US Dollar------LONG HAUL
SPY Short (145.5)------SHORT TERM "TRADE"
Gambling and selling out for a higher price...............
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