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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 10:50 AM ET #1

      Well...the week after Black Friday, a week filled with lots of figures, announcements and speeches.


      I think it also to be the week when almost everyone has to admit we are in both a bear market and a recession.

      Hope not. But not betting against it!!

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
      Well...the week after Black Friday, a week filled with lots of figures, announcements and speeches.


      I think it also to be the week when almost everyone has to admit we are in both a bear market and a recession.

      Hope not. But not betting against it!!

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 11:29 AM ET #2

     For those of a scientific bent regarding energy:

    https://www.newenergytimes.com/


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     For those of a scientific bent regarding energy:

    https://www.newenergytimes.com/


     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 4:05 PM ET #3

    Good job starting this.

    We can use for Nov and Dec since we are so close to the end of the month.

    I think the Bear doesnt come to town until march next year...  
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    Good job starting this.

    We can use for Nov and Dec since we are so close to the end of the month.

    I think the Bear doesnt come to town until march next year...  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 4:16 PM ET #4


     Hope you are right...but I am not taking too many chances.

      It is already here in this region...maybe, but I doubt, we are ahead of the curve. DC and its nauseating perpetual growth always distorts Va stats anyway.

     
     

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     Hope you are right...but I am not taking too many chances.

      It is already here in this region...maybe, but I doubt, we are ahead of the curve. DC and its nauseating perpetual growth always distorts Va stats anyway.

     
     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2007 - 5:00 PM ET #5

    Should be another entertaining week in the liar's poker room at the stock market casino.
     
    Here is my tip for you trader people this week......do the opposite of what you expect to happen......you'll end up being right more times than wrong......that's the way a skittish, nervous, frightened market works----it f---s over everyone playing the "percentages."
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    Should be another entertaining week in the liar's poker room at the stock market casino.
     
    Here is my tip for you trader people this week......do the opposite of what you expect to happen......you'll end up being right more times than wrong......that's the way a skittish, nervous, frightened market works----it f---s over everyone playing the "percentages."
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 10:48 AM ET #6

    The Fed announced it will respond to "heightened pressures in money markets for funding through year-end," with a series of repurchase agreements that are more long-term than usual. The first, announced Monday, is an $8 billion, 52-day operation. Details and timing of additional operations through the rest of the year are not yet available. Typically the Fed puts liquidity into the system in 14-day increments.

    "Given the high level of attention focused on the coming year end, we hope to reassure market participants of our commitment to providing sufficient balances at that time by starting to provide those balances now," said a Fed official.

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    The Fed announced it will respond to "heightened pressures in money markets for funding through year-end," with a series of repurchase agreements that are more long-term than usual. The first, announced Monday, is an $8 billion, 52-day operation. Details and timing of additional operations through the rest of the year are not yet available. Typically the Fed puts liquidity into the system in 14-day increments.

    "Given the high level of attention focused on the coming year end, we hope to reassure market participants of our commitment to providing sufficient balances at that time by starting to provide those balances now," said a Fed official.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 11:13 AM ET #7

    These guys are desperate and this is just the start..heading to cash like my ass is on fire...
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    These guys are desperate and this is just the start..heading to cash like my ass is on fire...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 11:19 AM ET #8

    That is pretty bad..you are right.

    I think the market didnt like it as well, it seems desperate and the market tanked since about 10 AM or so..
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    That is pretty bad..you are right.

    I think the market didnt like it as well, it seems desperate and the market tanked since about 10 AM or so..
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 11:23 AM ET #9

     am keeping SKF GLD BRKB and some oils...otherwise, forget about it.And I don't care what retailers report...home sales reports later this week will add to the negativity. It will be a bad week methinks.
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     am keeping SKF GLD BRKB and some oils...otherwise, forget about it.And I don't care what retailers report...home sales reports later this week will add to the negativity. It will be a bad week methinks.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 12:43 PM ET #10

    Here is a comment to throw out.

    If you have ANY faith in HOKU to the deals they are signing to supply the silicon, then this stock is probably undervalued by 10 times its current price.

    Today they signed a 300M supply deal over a 8 yr span. I cannot keep up with how many they have but I have to say with confidence they have signed over a BILLON in deals spanning over the next 8 yrs or so.

    With a market cap of 140M or so, I think the street is no thinking these deals follow through.

    If you think they WILL follow through then even at this price the stock is a steal longer term.  
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    Here is a comment to throw out.

    If you have ANY faith in HOKU to the deals they are signing to supply the silicon, then this stock is probably undervalued by 10 times its current price.

    Today they signed a 300M supply deal over a 8 yr span. I cannot keep up with how many they have but I have to say with confidence they have signed over a BILLON in deals spanning over the next 8 yrs or so.

    With a market cap of 140M or so, I think the street is no thinking these deals follow through.

    If you think they WILL follow through then even at this price the stock is a steal longer term.  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 12:45 PM ET #11

    NTRI up 15% over the past two trading sessions.

    I could see it moving through 30 by Jan...
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    NTRI up 15% over the past two trading sessions.

    I could see it moving through 30 by Jan...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 1:44 PM ET #12

    Wow DRYS is under some serious distribution..chart looks like garbage, selling on every turn.

    It has turned into a long term project after failing to take a 20 pt profit.


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    Wow DRYS is under some serious distribution..chart looks like garbage, selling on every turn.

    It has turned into a long term project after failing to take a 20 pt profit.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 2:09 PM ET #13


     I am kicking myself in the ass personally for holding onto Comcast options (March)..violating a rule I almost always adhere to, never let a trade turn into an investment...

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     I am kicking myself in the ass personally for holding onto Comcast options (March)..violating a rule I almost always adhere to, never let a trade turn into an investment...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 2:12 PM ET #14

    Vermeer,

    You have plenty of time of course but I agree with you. I have some DRYS march options and they are not looking so hot either.


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    Vermeer,

    You have plenty of time of course but I agree with you. I have some DRYS march options and they are not looking so hot either.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 2:44 PM ET #15


     I just hate violating serious trading laws I operate under.I should have been sopped out long ago....oh well, live and burn.

     The only solace I see is to the downside...and the fact that BRKB seems to prosper more every time the more defensive stocks are talked about.

     For serious energy stats (ie 200 pages of them) people may wish to go to:

    https://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/mer/contents.html)
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     I just hate violating serious trading laws I operate under.I should have been sopped out long ago....oh well, live and burn.

     The only solace I see is to the downside...and the fact that BRKB seems to prosper more every time the more defensive stocks are talked about.

     For serious energy stats (ie 200 pages of them) people may wish to go to:

    https://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/mer/contents.html)
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 3:51 PM ET #16

    Market closing horrible yet again..

    Nasty action, selling everywhere..
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    Market closing horrible yet again..

    Nasty action, selling everywhere..
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 5:57 PM ET #17

    Need to see peeps jumping out of windows.  No use buying anything until people capitulate.  And too late to get on the short train.
     
    Waiting is the hardest part.
     
    Cheers
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    Need to see peeps jumping out of windows.  No use buying anything until people capitulate.  And too late to get on the short train.
     
    Waiting is the hardest part.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 5:58 PM ET #18

    Current Long Hauls:
     
    MSFT
    GTLS
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    CRDC
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    And not nearly enough cash.
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    Current Long Hauls:
     
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    And not nearly enough cash.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 5:59 PM ET #19

    Too pissed to even deal with tonight's football game, and too tired to drink.
     
    Fuck it.
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    Too pissed to even deal with tonight's football game, and too tired to drink.
     
    Fuck it.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 9:28 PM ET #21


     Hang in there CC...


    I am also long CRDC for the long haul, and MSFT...and I am not worried at all about the latter. CRDC is a speculation, but a rather solid one.

      Can conclude that there will be a rate cut??  I suspect a substantial one, at least 50 basis points. The Fed can only throw money at the problem, and they are going to throw plenty of it.

    If so, oil will  easily go over $100 a barrel, and well past it. People aver that "speculators" are responsible for the current price of oil.If so, they seem very reasonable speculators, given the thought that the Fed will cut, despite all the reasons against it.

     Unfortunately that does not bode well for the value of the USD. But they have painted themselves into a corner.




     


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     Hang in there CC...


    I am also long CRDC for the long haul, and MSFT...and I am not worried at all about the latter. CRDC is a speculation, but a rather solid one.

      Can conclude that there will be a rate cut??  I suspect a substantial one, at least 50 basis points. The Fed can only throw money at the problem, and they are going to throw plenty of it.

    If so, oil will  easily go over $100 a barrel, and well past it. People aver that "speculators" are responsible for the current price of oil.If so, they seem very reasonable speculators, given the thought that the Fed will cut, despite all the reasons against it.

     Unfortunately that does not bode well for the value of the USD. But they have painted themselves into a corner.




     


     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 11:18 PM ET #22

    I'm fine, Vermeer......just venting.
     
    The problem is that people won't capitulate.  In bear markets like this one, people just hang on and hang on and hang on.  A bear market lasts usually for around 2 years, and it doesn't end until people throw in the towel.  This bear market, I will say, began in late July, and it probably won't end until people capitulate in July 2009.
     
    So from now until then, it's a slow grind down with extreme short covering spikes. 
     
    Won't shock me one bit if this market takes a vicious whipsaw when Scholar Ben cuts in December.........and the spike will be so powerful and strong that peeps will swear the bear market is over.......WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    So we're in a game of attrition.
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    I'm fine, Vermeer......just venting.
     
    The problem is that people won't capitulate.  In bear markets like this one, people just hang on and hang on and hang on.  A bear market lasts usually for around 2 years, and it doesn't end until people throw in the towel.  This bear market, I will say, began in late July, and it probably won't end until people capitulate in July 2009.
     
    So from now until then, it's a slow grind down with extreme short covering spikes. 
     
    Won't shock me one bit if this market takes a vicious whipsaw when Scholar Ben cuts in December.........and the spike will be so powerful and strong that peeps will swear the bear market is over.......WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    So we're in a game of attrition.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2007 - 11:32 PM ET #23

    Anyone see the 10yr hitting 30 month lows?

    No doubt that we go to historic lows and it is not helping the housing market one bit.

    I agree fellas..I have been calling for a terrible 08 for..well a long time.

    Need a good hard bounce for a week and I can shed some of these longs and calls I have..


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    Anyone see the 10yr hitting 30 month lows?

    No doubt that we go to historic lows and it is not helping the housing market one bit.

    I agree fellas..I have been calling for a terrible 08 for..well a long time.

    Need a good hard bounce for a week and I can shed some of these longs and calls I have..


     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2007 - 9:21 AM ET #24


     I agree as above to both notions. I am just trying to forecast what things we can be reasonably safe presuming (not assuming!!) and their likely consequences.

     After all, the only thing that matters is being on the correct side of the movement, up or down.

     One thought that occurred to me (perhaps a bit late, given the news on the latest investment in Citi) is that the US government cannot afford to let Citi go under.No way. Yet it stands a decent chance of being so threatened.

     Now is it relatively safe to buy C at anything under 30 on such an assumption.Or is that folly? Under 30, it looks attractive in so many ways, I wonder...

     We are so far only in a correction (-10%). I think the bear begins after Chrsitmas, with a false bump up from bogus retail reports.
    I had planned to sell into such a dead cat bounce up, then bail.

     The fact that the Fed cuts rates and LIBOR stays up indicated the limits of Fed ability to change the course of events.Scary.

    Lastly, housing data will continue to be awful. So who makes money out of such a mess?



     



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     I agree as above to both notions. I am just trying to forecast what things we can be reasonably safe presuming (not assuming!!) and their likely consequences.

     After all, the only thing that matters is being on the correct side of the movement, up or down.

     One thought that occurred to me (perhaps a bit late, given the news on the latest investment in Citi) is that the US government cannot afford to let Citi go under.No way. Yet it stands a decent chance of being so threatened.

     Now is it relatively safe to buy C at anything under 30 on such an assumption.Or is that folly? Under 30, it looks attractive in so many ways, I wonder...

     We are so far only in a correction (-10%). I think the bear begins after Chrsitmas, with a false bump up from bogus retail reports.
    I had planned to sell into such a dead cat bounce up, then bail.

     The fact that the Fed cuts rates and LIBOR stays up indicated the limits of Fed ability to change the course of events.Scary.

    Lastly, housing data will continue to be awful. So who makes money out of such a mess?



     



     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 27, 2007 - 9:24 AM ET #25


     PS to Iterate: almost definite future cut(s) equals

     1. higher oil price per barrel
     2. Lower USD
     3. ?????
     4. ?????

      Please add more...I have to compare notes...

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     PS to Iterate: almost definite future cut(s) equals

     1. higher oil price per barrel
     2. Lower USD
     3. ?????
     4. ?????

      Please add more...I have to compare notes...

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