The lines are not out yet but a potential monkey wrench has been thrown into some of the matches for DQ/surprise endings with interference which is a problem for the favorites:
WWE held its first quarter earnings conference call on Tuesday morning. Aside from touting 1.454 million paid WWE Network subscribers, and between 900,000 and 1.2 million buys for WrestleMania 32 on traditional pay-per-view, Vince McMahon revealed that the current roster is going to look a lot more familiar in the coming days.
When asked about injuries, McMahon stated that though they currently have a total of 17 injuries, four main roster WWE Superstars will be back in action within the next thirty days: Randy Orton, John Cena, Bray Wyatt, and Seth Rollins.
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The lines are not out yet but a potential monkey wrench has been thrown into some of the matches for DQ/surprise endings with interference which is a problem for the favorites:
WWE held its first quarter earnings conference call on Tuesday morning. Aside from touting 1.454 million paid WWE Network subscribers, and between 900,000 and 1.2 million buys for WrestleMania 32 on traditional pay-per-view, Vince McMahon revealed that the current roster is going to look a lot more familiar in the coming days.
When asked about injuries, McMahon stated that though they currently have a total of 17 injuries, four main roster WWE Superstars will be back in action within the next thirty days: Randy Orton, John Cena, Bray Wyatt, and Seth Rollins.
Super Cena won't interfere in a match unless he's coming down to thwart another heel run-in as he's the personification of all that is good and fair (and boring).
Doesn't make sense for Seth Rollins to interfere in any matches but the Roman Reigns one and it doesn't even matter because Reigns isn't leaving without the belt as it's almost certainly a lock that AJ, a non Vince Mcmahon creation, hasn't eaten enough crap to have the strap.
Randy Orton had turned face before his injury and had actually started a feud with Bray Wyatt, so not sure how he'd factor in at all.
I'm actually expecting the Bray Wyatt vs Brock Lesnar feud that they began building up to in January and then dropped to happen eventually. I could be wrong, and Summerslam is still 3 months away.
As for my early leans here.
Reigns will again be the anchor of a good parlay.
Charlotte, still believe she will drop the title at Summerslam, I think she actually wins this one semi-clean to make her look good heading into the summer and to put this feud to bed.
The IC Title fatal four way, I sorta still feel the way I did before about the last PPV that they didn't just bring Maryse back just to hot potatoe the belt off her husband right away. No real leans yet either way though, because it's not like their booking of the IC Title or the Miz has made much sense for years.
What do you do with New Day after their reign ends besides the inevitable rematch clause match and then the inevitable "break them up and have them fight" matches. There's certainly more heel teams than face right now, probably part of the reason (besides their popularity) that they've held the titles pretty much for a year now. That's a long time.
You also have to ask yourself, how often is an entire tournament booked to crown a #1 contender and then the person/team doesn't win? I get a sneaking suspicion the New Day's titles are in peril here.
My gut tells me Kalisto wins vs Rusev (and that it will be on the pre-show lol). For the same reason I picked him against Ryback, Rusev has slowly inched his way toward jobber status, ever since he was buried by Cena and then the debacle on twitter with Lana announcing their engagement and killing their storyline angle with Dolph Ziggler (which was abominable). I don't think WWE is done trying to milk the whole "David vs Goliath" gimmick with Kalisto.
Super Cena won't interfere in a match unless he's coming down to thwart another heel run-in as he's the personification of all that is good and fair (and boring).
Doesn't make sense for Seth Rollins to interfere in any matches but the Roman Reigns one and it doesn't even matter because Reigns isn't leaving without the belt as it's almost certainly a lock that AJ, a non Vince Mcmahon creation, hasn't eaten enough crap to have the strap.
Randy Orton had turned face before his injury and had actually started a feud with Bray Wyatt, so not sure how he'd factor in at all.
I'm actually expecting the Bray Wyatt vs Brock Lesnar feud that they began building up to in January and then dropped to happen eventually. I could be wrong, and Summerslam is still 3 months away.
As for my early leans here.
Reigns will again be the anchor of a good parlay.
Charlotte, still believe she will drop the title at Summerslam, I think she actually wins this one semi-clean to make her look good heading into the summer and to put this feud to bed.
The IC Title fatal four way, I sorta still feel the way I did before about the last PPV that they didn't just bring Maryse back just to hot potatoe the belt off her husband right away. No real leans yet either way though, because it's not like their booking of the IC Title or the Miz has made much sense for years.
What do you do with New Day after their reign ends besides the inevitable rematch clause match and then the inevitable "break them up and have them fight" matches. There's certainly more heel teams than face right now, probably part of the reason (besides their popularity) that they've held the titles pretty much for a year now. That's a long time.
You also have to ask yourself, how often is an entire tournament booked to crown a #1 contender and then the person/team doesn't win? I get a sneaking suspicion the New Day's titles are in peril here.
My gut tells me Kalisto wins vs Rusev (and that it will be on the pre-show lol). For the same reason I picked him against Ryback, Rusev has slowly inched his way toward jobber status, ever since he was buried by Cena and then the debacle on twitter with Lana announcing their engagement and killing their storyline angle with Dolph Ziggler (which was abominable). I don't think WWE is done trying to milk the whole "David vs Goliath" gimmick with Kalisto.
Dean Ambrose should (will) beat Chris Jericho again. Prowrestling.com reported in January that his current run was supposed to go through around April or May, and he just let Dean destroy his electric ring jacket thing, I get the feeling he is on his way out after this match so he'll do the favors here.
For what it's worth, this card is a helluva lot harder to gauge than the last one.
Dean Ambrose should (will) beat Chris Jericho again. Prowrestling.com reported in January that his current run was supposed to go through around April or May, and he just let Dean destroy his electric ring jacket thing, I get the feeling he is on his way out after this match so he'll do the favors here.
For what it's worth, this card is a helluva lot harder to gauge than the last one.
My main fear is Rollins obviously. Everyone expected him to interfere last PPV since he was rumored to be backstage.
That puts the main event in peril with some DQ ending and then the feared rubber match where Reigns will go over clean.
No idea why Charlotte/Natalya is happening again. No one cared about the screw job and to put her over clean here makes little sense (but I agree she HAS to drop the belt at SS to The Boss). So again, some DQ garbage and rubber match could come into play.
You really think they buried Rusev for the Instagram fiasco?
I miss the dominant Rusev. When he came into the WWE he looked like a future world champ. That Rusev is a million miles away now.
But to lose to Kalisto???? Let's see the odds and we'll discuss further.
Good stuff Jason.
My main fear is Rollins obviously. Everyone expected him to interfere last PPV since he was rumored to be backstage.
That puts the main event in peril with some DQ ending and then the feared rubber match where Reigns will go over clean.
No idea why Charlotte/Natalya is happening again. No one cared about the screw job and to put her over clean here makes little sense (but I agree she HAS to drop the belt at SS to The Boss). So again, some DQ garbage and rubber match could come into play.
You really think they buried Rusev for the Instagram fiasco?
I miss the dominant Rusev. When he came into the WWE he looked like a future world champ. That Rusev is a million miles away now.
But to lose to Kalisto???? Let's see the odds and we'll discuss further.
The main event is a No DQ "Extreme Rules" match, so no worries about a DQ finish there.
The women's match has some kind of submission stipulation to it, so again not worried about a DQ finish there.
I don't think Rusev was buried entirely for that, because they were already doing a good job sabotaging his career before that, but it didn't help. The last shred of credibility he had seemed to go out the window the night the Rock made them look like clowns in that backstage segment (I did get a kick out of his interaction with Big Show though). Wasn't he the first guy eliminated in the Royal Rumble match too?
I'm definitely interested in seeing the odds too. These aren't locked in picks or anything, all subject to change
The main event is a No DQ "Extreme Rules" match, so no worries about a DQ finish there.
The women's match has some kind of submission stipulation to it, so again not worried about a DQ finish there.
I don't think Rusev was buried entirely for that, because they were already doing a good job sabotaging his career before that, but it didn't help. The last shred of credibility he had seemed to go out the window the night the Rock made them look like clowns in that backstage segment (I did get a kick out of his interaction with Big Show though). Wasn't he the first guy eliminated in the Royal Rumble match too?
I'm definitely interested in seeing the odds too. These aren't locked in picks or anything, all subject to change
The 5Dimes Sportsbook has published betting odds for next week's WWE Extreme Rules 2016 pay-per-view.
As of the time of posting, 5Dimes is accepting wagers on the five of the bouts scheduled to take place on the night.
WWE US Champion - Kalisto - is a +140 underdog to retain his title with a win over number one contender, Rusev. A winning punt on the Bulgarian Brute will pay out at odds of -180.
The WWE Women's Championship match market has opened with Charlotte a -310 favourite over Natalya.
If you think Natalya will win this submission bout, you can grab the +230 being offered here.
The Vaudevillains are +175 outsiders to win the WWE Tag Team Championship match against the present titleholders, The New Day (-245).
Cesaro is +110 to win the fatal four-way for the WWE Intercontinental Championship. At this moment, he's up against 'The Field' who are -150. Odds for individual participants in this match will more than likely be added at a later date as per usual.
Finally, the main event odds see Roman Reigns a -400 favourite to go over AJ Styles. If Styles ends up being victorious in any way, the bookmaker will pay out at +280.
Since, as you noted, no DQ for the main event and Charlotte's is a submission match, it looks like I'll likely be riding out the same exact parlay as the last thread
The 5Dimes Sportsbook has published betting odds for next week's WWE Extreme Rules 2016 pay-per-view.
As of the time of posting, 5Dimes is accepting wagers on the five of the bouts scheduled to take place on the night.
WWE US Champion - Kalisto - is a +140 underdog to retain his title with a win over number one contender, Rusev. A winning punt on the Bulgarian Brute will pay out at odds of -180.
The WWE Women's Championship match market has opened with Charlotte a -310 favourite over Natalya.
If you think Natalya will win this submission bout, you can grab the +230 being offered here.
The Vaudevillains are +175 outsiders to win the WWE Tag Team Championship match against the present titleholders, The New Day (-245).
Cesaro is +110 to win the fatal four-way for the WWE Intercontinental Championship. At this moment, he's up against 'The Field' who are -150. Odds for individual participants in this match will more than likely be added at a later date as per usual.
Finally, the main event odds see Roman Reigns a -400 favourite to go over AJ Styles. If Styles ends up being victorious in any way, the bookmaker will pay out at +280.
Since, as you noted, no DQ for the main event and Charlotte's is a submission match, it looks like I'll likely be riding out the same exact parlay as the last thread
If you wager on this crap you are just asking for trouble. Just like clockwork every year we will see multiple bitching and moaning about not being paid for this and that.
If you wager on this crap you are just asking for trouble. Just like clockwork every year we will see multiple bitching and moaning about not being paid for this and that.
If you wager on this crap you are just asking for trouble. Just like clockwork every year we will see multiple bitching and moaning about not being paid for this and that.
There's bitching and moaning in virtually every SPORTS related thread.
Why is bitching and moaning post-result a condition for betting or not betting on something? LOL!
And to you Lipps, as I've told dozens of others, why in the world WOULDN'T you want to wager on something PREDETERMINED over something that is yet to be determined?
You are simply capping writer's storylines and character arcs which can be evaluated through two weekly shows.
That's a hell of a lot easier than telling me whether Durant and Westbrook will score enough to get within 7.5 or even beat the Warriors in Game 1!
Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:
If you wager on this crap you are just asking for trouble. Just like clockwork every year we will see multiple bitching and moaning about not being paid for this and that.
There's bitching and moaning in virtually every SPORTS related thread.
Why is bitching and moaning post-result a condition for betting or not betting on something? LOL!
And to you Lipps, as I've told dozens of others, why in the world WOULDN'T you want to wager on something PREDETERMINED over something that is yet to be determined?
You are simply capping writer's storylines and character arcs which can be evaluated through two weekly shows.
That's a hell of a lot easier than telling me whether Durant and Westbrook will score enough to get within 7.5 or even beat the Warriors in Game 1!
-400 for Reigns is pretty good odds, I would have expected a -700 or so. You can still parlay that and get a solid payout.
Of note of course is Kalisto opened as a dog against Ryback last time and won.
If Miz doesn't retain, I sorta like Sami Zayn better than Cesaro here...but then again I think I took Zayn in the IC Ladder match at Mania and that was a fail, so maybe I have a bad read on them wanting to push the guy (he also lost to Owens last PPV).
The New Day are favorites and rightfully so I guess, but they've held the titles for 314 days and counting since April 26 last year. Do we think they approach the record 478 day reign of Demolition? If not, they aren't really bettable going forward. Like I said, I think it's a bad spot for them since it's a new team they are pushing who just won a drawnout #1 contender tournament to get the shot.
-400 for Reigns is pretty good odds, I would have expected a -700 or so. You can still parlay that and get a solid payout.
Of note of course is Kalisto opened as a dog against Ryback last time and won.
If Miz doesn't retain, I sorta like Sami Zayn better than Cesaro here...but then again I think I took Zayn in the IC Ladder match at Mania and that was a fail, so maybe I have a bad read on them wanting to push the guy (he also lost to Owens last PPV).
The New Day are favorites and rightfully so I guess, but they've held the titles for 314 days and counting since April 26 last year. Do we think they approach the record 478 day reign of Demolition? If not, they aren't really bettable going forward. Like I said, I think it's a bad spot for them since it's a new team they are pushing who just won a drawnout #1 contender tournament to get the shot.
There's bitching and moaning in virtually every SPORTS related thread.
Why is bitching and moaning post-result a condition for betting or not betting on something? LOL!
And to you Lipps, as I've told dozens of others, why in the world WOULDN'T you want to wager on something PREDETERMINED over something that is yet to be determined?
You are simply capping writer's storylines and character arcs which can be evaluated through two weekly shows.
That's a hell of a lot easier than telling me whether Durant and Westbrook will score enough to get within 7.5 or even beat the Warriors in Game 1!
The reason for bitching is not trying to predict or because of the result, it's how the books grade and the reasoning why.
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
There's bitching and moaning in virtually every SPORTS related thread.
Why is bitching and moaning post-result a condition for betting or not betting on something? LOL!
And to you Lipps, as I've told dozens of others, why in the world WOULDN'T you want to wager on something PREDETERMINED over something that is yet to be determined?
You are simply capping writer's storylines and character arcs which can be evaluated through two weekly shows.
That's a hell of a lot easier than telling me whether Durant and Westbrook will score enough to get within 7.5 or even beat the Warriors in Game 1!
The reason for bitching is not trying to predict or because of the result, it's how the books grade and the reasoning why.
The reason for bitching is not trying to predict or because of the result, it's how the books grade and the reasoning why.
Ever since that match you speak of (Miz/Cena) and that controversial ending, 5 Dimes now offers two endings to a single match: the initial ending (by the ref) and the official ending at the end of the PPV (where Vince and or HHH/Stephanie can verbally change an outcome/restart a match).
There's been no more bitching since then because the books got wise and the problem has been solved.
Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:
The reason for bitching is not trying to predict or because of the result, it's how the books grade and the reasoning why.
Ever since that match you speak of (Miz/Cena) and that controversial ending, 5 Dimes now offers two endings to a single match: the initial ending (by the ref) and the official ending at the end of the PPV (where Vince and or HHH/Stephanie can verbally change an outcome/restart a match).
There's been no more bitching since then because the books got wise and the problem has been solved.
Said you were getting very good value on Reigns and I was right. -1050 now I'm seeing. Charlotte -840 as well. Looks like that parlay should cash.
Miz -505 to win fatal 4 way. I may have predicted this correctly here.
Ambrose was a lock and now -1200.
Corbin vs Dolph wasn't up at the time but I would have easily said Corbin, for the reasons we thought he'd win last time and now the insanely predictable 50-50 booking gets thrown in. Corbin -900.
I don't see a line for the Usos vs Anderson and Gallows. This is a total tossup but I have a feeling since Reigns wins the main event, the Usos lose to even it out. Admittedly just a straightup guess though.
Now for the bad lol. Rusev -900 now vs Kalisto? I guess I got that one wrong.
New Day -475 to retain. If you ignored me and decided to roll with them 1 more PPV you'll probably be rewarded. I said their title reign was probably close to the end but that was more a suggestion to stay away than to bet the challengers.
Well just pulled up 5dimes.
Said you were getting very good value on Reigns and I was right. -1050 now I'm seeing. Charlotte -840 as well. Looks like that parlay should cash.
Miz -505 to win fatal 4 way. I may have predicted this correctly here.
Ambrose was a lock and now -1200.
Corbin vs Dolph wasn't up at the time but I would have easily said Corbin, for the reasons we thought he'd win last time and now the insanely predictable 50-50 booking gets thrown in. Corbin -900.
I don't see a line for the Usos vs Anderson and Gallows. This is a total tossup but I have a feeling since Reigns wins the main event, the Usos lose to even it out. Admittedly just a straightup guess though.
Now for the bad lol. Rusev -900 now vs Kalisto? I guess I got that one wrong.
New Day -475 to retain. If you ignored me and decided to roll with them 1 more PPV you'll probably be rewarded. I said their title reign was probably close to the end but that was more a suggestion to stay away than to bet the challengers.
Said you were getting very good value on Reigns and I was right. -1050 now I'm seeing. Charlotte -840 as well. Looks like that parlay should cash.
Miz -505 to win fatal 4 way. I may have predicted this correctly here.
Ambrose was a lock and now -1200.
Corbin vs Dolph wasn't up at the time but I would have easily said Corbin, for the reasons we thought he'd win last time and now the insanely predictable 50-50 booking gets thrown in. Corbin -900.
I don't see a line for the Usos vs Anderson and Gallows. This is a total tossup but I have a feeling since Reigns wins the main event, the Usos lose to even it out. Admittedly just a straightup guess though.
Now for the bad lol. Rusev -900 now vs Kalisto? I guess I got that one wrong.
New Day -475 to retain. If you ignored me and decided to roll with them 1 more PPV you'll probably be rewarded. I said their title reign was probably close to the end but that was more a suggestion to stay away than to bet the challengers.
Well everything went as I thought it would yesterday.
Corbin, Anderson/Gallows, Reigns, Charlotte, Miz, Ambrose all winners.
Vaudvillains and Kalisto lose. Not bad.
Quote Originally Posted by Jason497:
Well just pulled up 5dimes.
Said you were getting very good value on Reigns and I was right. -1050 now I'm seeing. Charlotte -840 as well. Looks like that parlay should cash.
Miz -505 to win fatal 4 way. I may have predicted this correctly here.
Ambrose was a lock and now -1200.
Corbin vs Dolph wasn't up at the time but I would have easily said Corbin, for the reasons we thought he'd win last time and now the insanely predictable 50-50 booking gets thrown in. Corbin -900.
I don't see a line for the Usos vs Anderson and Gallows. This is a total tossup but I have a feeling since Reigns wins the main event, the Usos lose to even it out. Admittedly just a straightup guess though.
Now for the bad lol. Rusev -900 now vs Kalisto? I guess I got that one wrong.
New Day -475 to retain. If you ignored me and decided to roll with them 1 more PPV you'll probably be rewarded. I said their title reign was probably close to the end but that was more a suggestion to stay away than to bet the challengers.
Well everything went as I thought it would yesterday.
Corbin, Anderson/Gallows, Reigns, Charlotte, Miz, Ambrose all winners.
Has anybody done a heavy chalk parlay with late betting on one of these. I've been following the lines for a couple of years now, and there used to be one "surprise" upset, but all the chalk has fallen in line for my PPVs in a row now.
You could tell that this was a filler PPV with nothing shocking.
It was obvious Reigns would never lose. There was no chance of him ever losing before Seth Rollins got back. They know he gets booed and they even built it into the dialog.
Charlotte is the what Vince looks for in a wrestle. She's beautiful, she's bigger than most of the women without being fat like Nia Jax, and she's flamboyant like her father, and she's Ric Flairs daughter. Natty wasn't going to get a title reign at this age and with so many upcoming women in the division.
No way Ambrose loses an Asylum match because it destroys his momentum and Jericho isn't Brock Lesnar. He's not main eventing and losses don't hurt his legacy. He knows he's putting people over.
Those were the obvious ones. You could tell by the lines that the Miz and Rusev were going to win. The Miz was like -1800, and Rusev was pretty high too.
So yeah, the payout isn't great, but winning 50 bucks on 100 seems like free money to me. You coulda done that with at least the last 3-4 PPVs and cashed.
Has anybody done a heavy chalk parlay with late betting on one of these. I've been following the lines for a couple of years now, and there used to be one "surprise" upset, but all the chalk has fallen in line for my PPVs in a row now.
You could tell that this was a filler PPV with nothing shocking.
It was obvious Reigns would never lose. There was no chance of him ever losing before Seth Rollins got back. They know he gets booed and they even built it into the dialog.
Charlotte is the what Vince looks for in a wrestle. She's beautiful, she's bigger than most of the women without being fat like Nia Jax, and she's flamboyant like her father, and she's Ric Flairs daughter. Natty wasn't going to get a title reign at this age and with so many upcoming women in the division.
No way Ambrose loses an Asylum match because it destroys his momentum and Jericho isn't Brock Lesnar. He's not main eventing and losses don't hurt his legacy. He knows he's putting people over.
Those were the obvious ones. You could tell by the lines that the Miz and Rusev were going to win. The Miz was like -1800, and Rusev was pretty high too.
So yeah, the payout isn't great, but winning 50 bucks on 100 seems like free money to me. You coulda done that with at least the last 3-4 PPVs and cashed.
Oh yeah, and the New Day was another obvious one. They spent like 6 months to finally get the new day over. The only team they could possibly lose to is Enzo and Cass, but Enzo is hurt right now, and the title change probably wouldn't happen until a big event like Summerslam.
The Vaude Villians were thrown in this match by default because of Enzo's injury.
Oh yeah, and the New Day was another obvious one. They spent like 6 months to finally get the new day over. The only team they could possibly lose to is Enzo and Cass, but Enzo is hurt right now, and the title change probably wouldn't happen until a big event like Summerslam.
The Vaude Villians were thrown in this match by default because of Enzo's injury.
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