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    White Sox season win total - controversy with Willian Hill

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    RussianHiller
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2019 - 4:11 PM ET #1

    I have a White Sox win total ticket of Over 93. They won 92 games. Their 162nd game was cancelled, leaving them with a 161-game (not complete) season. I contacted William Hill customer service and was told the tickets would not be refunded. Nowhere in their rules does it specifically address this situation. It seems as though the person I was talking to was making an arbitrary decision, because it is NOT consistent with how they have handled season win totals in other sports where teams played a shortened season.

    In college football two years ago, LSU played a shortened season and my Over bet with them - which went over despite the shortened season - was deemed as "NO ACTION." Last year, the same thing happened with West Virginia. Another sure "Over" winner, another "NO ACTION."

    The Team Total on the White Sox, accordingly, should be deemed NO ACTION. It's the only fair way to handle it, and consistent with how they've handled other situations involving shortened seasons.

    I'm not going to tell you how much I bet on the ticket, but this is unfair as it stands now. I'm wondering if I have any recourse for petitioning this ticket be returned as NO ACTION. Please don't tell me "Go to the Gaming Board," because that's what the suit on other end of the phone at William Hill told me was my only recourse. This seems as though it can be handled by someone at William Hill who actually can figure out, consistent with their precedent in dealing with other sports, that the proper way to handle the White Sox total ticket is to make all tickets NO ACTION.

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    I have a White Sox win total ticket of Over 93. They won 92 games. Their 162nd game was cancelled, leaving them with a 161-game (not complete) season. I contacted William Hill customer service and was told the tickets would not be refunded. Nowhere in their rules does it specifically address this situation. It seems as though the person I was talking to was making an arbitrary decision, because it is NOT consistent with how they have handled season win totals in other sports where teams played a shortened season.

    In college football two years ago, LSU played a shortened season and my Over bet with them - which went over despite the shortened season - was deemed as "NO ACTION." Last year, the same thing happened with West Virginia. Another sure "Over" winner, another "NO ACTION."

    The Team Total on the White Sox, accordingly, should be deemed NO ACTION. It's the only fair way to handle it, and consistent with how they've handled other situations involving shortened seasons.

    I'm not going to tell you how much I bet on the ticket, but this is unfair as it stands now. I'm wondering if I have any recourse for petitioning this ticket be returned as NO ACTION. Please don't tell me "Go to the Gaming Board," because that's what the suit on other end of the phone at William Hill told me was my only recourse. This seems as though it can be handled by someone at William Hill who actually can figure out, consistent with their precedent in dealing with other sports, that the proper way to handle the White Sox total ticket is to make all tickets NO ACTION.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2019 - 4:14 PM ET #2

    CORRECTION - 73 wins, not 93.

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    CORRECTION - 73 wins, not 93.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2019 - 7:23 PM ET #3

    Heard on VSin today that some books (and I'm guessing WH is one of them) have a 160 game minimum for baseball and unfortunately you may fall into that category here
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    Heard on VSin today that some books (and I'm guessing WH is one of them) have a 160 game minimum for baseball and unfortunately you may fall into that category here
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2019 - 7:32 PM ET #4

    There is a difference between 162 games and 12 games.

    AS long as the book pays the Under bettors and collects from the Over bettors, I am OK with it.  If they collect from one and cancel the other, than that is shady.
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    There is a difference between 162 games and 12 games.

    AS long as the book pays the Under bettors and collects from the Over bettors, I am OK with it.  If they collect from one and cancel the other, than that is shady.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2019 - 1:41 AM ET #5

    This is just one of the many reasons I don’t like futures betting. 
    You wait six months while your money isn’t working and you end up getting fukked anyway.  
    You’d have been better off betting the White 
    Sox game by game using a safer modified martingale type system. 
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    This is just one of the many reasons I don’t like futures betting. 
    You wait six months while your money isn’t working and you end up getting fukked anyway.  
    You’d have been better off betting the White 
    Sox game by game using a safer modified martingale type system. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2019 - 4:22 AM ET #6


    Does anybody get my point here?

    OP likes WS Over 72 games on the season.

    WS therefore will be + Money Dogs most games.

    So utilize a chase system with a modified martingale instead of tying up your gambling bankroll.

    Bet 1 unit.  If lose bet 1.5 units.  If lose bet 3 units.  If lose STOP.
    Go back to 1 unit and repeat.

    Repeat for each individual game of the season.

    Not going to look into the math but if WS go OVER 72 W's, or even come close, I GUARANTEE it works out much better than tying up your bankroll for the entire season and then getting fukked in the end.


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    Does anybody get my point here?

    OP likes WS Over 72 games on the season.

    WS therefore will be + Money Dogs most games.

    So utilize a chase system with a modified martingale instead of tying up your gambling bankroll.

    Bet 1 unit.  If lose bet 1.5 units.  If lose bet 3 units.  If lose STOP.
    Go back to 1 unit and repeat.

    Repeat for each individual game of the season.

    Not going to look into the math but if WS go OVER 72 W's, or even come close, I GUARANTEE it works out much better than tying up your bankroll for the entire season and then getting fukked in the end.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2019 - 5:32 AM ET #7


    Yes, I know, I am beating a dead horse here...

    If you bought a Gold Stock, say IAU, you'd be in at $12.32 on April 1st and sitting on $14.32 today.  WTF is wrong with a 14% gain???

    Palladium is the only metal worth more than gold.  The only ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) you can buy in the USA is PALL.  If you bought PALL on April 1st at $100.18 you'd be sitting at $159.19 today.  WTF is wrong with a 59% gain???

    THINK outside the box.  If you want to INVEST in futures and tie your money up then put it in a stock market fund.  You can get started with as little as $500 in E-Trade or TD-Ameritrade.

    AVOID these pitfalls on GAMBLING futures.

    If you want to tie up money then INVEST in stocks like IAU and PALL which will not DISAPPEAR in 6 months.  Especially in this 2019 unsure landscape.

    DO NOT TIE UP FUNDS ON GAMBLING FUTURES.
    IF YOU HAVE MONEY TO TIE UP IT'S FAR BETTER TO INVEST.

    End of rant.




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    Yes, I know, I am beating a dead horse here...

    If you bought a Gold Stock, say IAU, you'd be in at $12.32 on April 1st and sitting on $14.32 today.  WTF is wrong with a 14% gain???

    Palladium is the only metal worth more than gold.  The only ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) you can buy in the USA is PALL.  If you bought PALL on April 1st at $100.18 you'd be sitting at $159.19 today.  WTF is wrong with a 59% gain???

    THINK outside the box.  If you want to INVEST in futures and tie your money up then put it in a stock market fund.  You can get started with as little as $500 in E-Trade or TD-Ameritrade.

    AVOID these pitfalls on GAMBLING futures.

    If you want to tie up money then INVEST in stocks like IAU and PALL which will not DISAPPEAR in 6 months.  Especially in this 2019 unsure landscape.

    DO NOT TIE UP FUNDS ON GAMBLING FUTURES.
    IF YOU HAVE MONEY TO TIE UP IT'S FAR BETTER TO INVEST.

    End of rant.




     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2019 - 6:13 PM ET #8

    Nowhere in the William Hill rules does it say tickets are action at 160 games.

    Your theory works great if you can bet every game, every day. I only bet legally while in Nevada so that doesn't really work for an out-of-towner. The team total at least gives you "action" all year even if you're not on a single game. But with B.S. like this I will NEVER beat team totals with William Hill, EVER again.

     

     

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    Nowhere in the William Hill rules does it say tickets are action at 160 games.

    Your theory works great if you can bet every game, every day. I only bet legally while in Nevada so that doesn't really work for an out-of-towner. The team total at least gives you "action" all year even if you're not on a single game. But with B.S. like this I will NEVER beat team totals with William Hill, EVER again.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 3, 2019 - 6:46 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by RussianHiller:

    Nowhere in the William Hill rules does it say tickets are action at 160 games.




    I found this in their rules, so it looks like you are wrong.  This is from their Nevada rules.

    "FUTURE  WAGERS  are  “action”  as  long  as  a  winner  is  officially  declared,  regardless  of  team  relocation,  name  change,  league  affiliation, playoff format, season length, etc."

    https://www.williamhill.us/house-rules/
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussianHiller:

    Nowhere in the William Hill rules does it say tickets are action at 160 games.




    I found this in their rules, so it looks like you are wrong.  This is from their Nevada rules.

    "FUTURE  WAGERS  are  “action”  as  long  as  a  winner  is  officially  declared,  regardless  of  team  relocation,  name  change,  league  affiliation, playoff format, season length, etc."

    https://www.williamhill.us/house-rules/
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2019 - 11:41 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    This is just one of the many reasons I don’t like futures betting. You wait six months while your money isn’t working and you end up getting fukked anyway.  You’d have been better off betting the White Sox game by game using a safer modified martingale type system.

    MARTINGALE SYSTEM IS THE WORST SYSTEM OUT THERE AND IT ONLY GET YOU YOUR MONEY BACK 

    BETTING FUTURES IS THE BEST WAY TO GO YOUR MONEY IS WORKING FOR YOUR EVERYDAY WHY BET PATRIOTS EVERYGAME WHEN I CAN GET THEM AT 7/1 TO WIN THE CHIP 

    I PLAY FOR KEEPS
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    This is just one of the many reasons I don’t like futures betting. You wait six months while your money isn’t working and you end up getting fukked anyway.  You’d have been better off betting the White Sox game by game using a safer modified martingale type system.

    MARTINGALE SYSTEM IS THE WORST SYSTEM OUT THERE AND IT ONLY GET YOU YOUR MONEY BACK 

    BETTING FUTURES IS THE BEST WAY TO GO YOUR MONEY IS WORKING FOR YOUR EVERYDAY WHY BET PATRIOTS EVERYGAME WHEN I CAN GET THEM AT 7/1 TO WIN THE CHIP 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    Yes, I know, I am beating a dead horse here...If you bought a Gold Stock, say IAU, you'd be in at $12.32 on April 1st and sitting on $14.32 today.  WTF is wrong with a 14% gain???Palladium is the only metal worth more than gold.  The only ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) you can buy in the USA is PALL.  If you bought PALL on April 1st at $100.18 you'd be sitting at $159.19 today.  WTF is wrong with a 59% gain???THINK outside the box.  If you want to INVEST in futures and tie your money up then put it in a stock market fund.  You can get started with as little as $500 in E-Trade or TD-Ameritrade.AVOID these pitfalls on GAMBLING futures.If you want to tie up money then INVEST in stocks like IAU and PALL which will not DISAPPEAR in 6 months.  Especially in this 2019 unsure landscape.DO NOT TIE UP FUNDS ON GAMBLING FUTURES.IF YOU HAVE MONEY TO TIE UP IT'S FAR BETTER TO INVEST.End of rant.

    I hate futures but I also hate the Martingale system. I do like the commodities game and I have had some fun with cryptos this year. Buy low, ride waves, anticipate the dips, dump for a profit. I bought a little under 5k of Basic Attention Token earlier this year at 13 cents and sold it at 33 cents. What's wrong with 150% return? Nothing. Didn't take a whole sports season either. Futures just aren't for me. Handicapping is about info. Data. Futures just involve too many unforseen variables. Like, for example, a shortened season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    Yes, I know, I am beating a dead horse here...If you bought a Gold Stock, say IAU, you'd be in at $12.32 on April 1st and sitting on $14.32 today.  WTF is wrong with a 14% gain???Palladium is the only metal worth more than gold.  The only ETF (Exchange Traded Fund) you can buy in the USA is PALL.  If you bought PALL on April 1st at $100.18 you'd be sitting at $159.19 today.  WTF is wrong with a 59% gain???THINK outside the box.  If you want to INVEST in futures and tie your money up then put it in a stock market fund.  You can get started with as little as $500 in E-Trade or TD-Ameritrade.AVOID these pitfalls on GAMBLING futures.If you want to tie up money then INVEST in stocks like IAU and PALL which will not DISAPPEAR in 6 months.  Especially in this 2019 unsure landscape.DO NOT TIE UP FUNDS ON GAMBLING FUTURES.IF YOU HAVE MONEY TO TIE UP IT'S FAR BETTER TO INVEST.End of rant.

    I hate futures but I also hate the Martingale system. I do like the commodities game and I have had some fun with cryptos this year. Buy low, ride waves, anticipate the dips, dump for a profit. I bought a little under 5k of Basic Attention Token earlier this year at 13 cents and sold it at 33 cents. What's wrong with 150% return? Nothing. Didn't take a whole sports season either. Futures just aren't for me. Handicapping is about info. Data. Futures just involve too many unforseen variables. Like, for example, a shortened season.

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