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    Should this man be charged?

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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2016 - 10:23 PM ET #1

    Why or why not....

     Colorado homeowner who was tied up and robbed at gunpoint Sunday may face charges for shooting and killing the suspect who was fleeing in a stolen car, Fox 31 reported.

    The unidentified homeowner, who managed somehow to untie himself after the robbery, reportedly went outside his home in Littleton and fired shots into the car at the fleeing suspect. The man in the car was reportedly identified as David Martinez, 38, who has a long criminal history of burglary, theft and drugs. Martinez crashed the car about a block later and died.

    The Denver Channel reported that under the state’s Make My Day law, a homeowner is able to shoot an intruder who enters the home, but, according to one legal analyst, the law does not protect a homeowner if the shooting occurs from the porch, yard or driveway.

    “If the homeowner believed his life was in imminent danger he’s allowed to act in self-defense,” David Beller, the legal analyist, said. Another legal analyst told Fox 31 that, in order not to be charged, the homeowner should have been threatened at the moment he pulled the trigger.

    “If a guy is driving away, even if it is your vehicle that he stole, you cannot use deadly force,” Dan Recht, the expert, said.

    The victim could be charged if the prosecutor decides that the shooting was not a case of personal protection.

    One neighbor, who spoke to Fox 31, said the homeowner should not be charged because it was still a matter of self-defense.

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    Why or why not....

     Colorado homeowner who was tied up and robbed at gunpoint Sunday may face charges for shooting and killing the suspect who was fleeing in a stolen car, Fox 31 reported.

    The unidentified homeowner, who managed somehow to untie himself after the robbery, reportedly went outside his home in Littleton and fired shots into the car at the fleeing suspect. The man in the car was reportedly identified as David Martinez, 38, who has a long criminal history of burglary, theft and drugs. Martinez crashed the car about a block later and died.

    The Denver Channel reported that under the state’s Make My Day law, a homeowner is able to shoot an intruder who enters the home, but, according to one legal analyst, the law does not protect a homeowner if the shooting occurs from the porch, yard or driveway.

    “If the homeowner believed his life was in imminent danger he’s allowed to act in self-defense,” David Beller, the legal analyist, said. Another legal analyst told Fox 31 that, in order not to be charged, the homeowner should have been threatened at the moment he pulled the trigger.

    “If a guy is driving away, even if it is your vehicle that he stole, you cannot use deadly force,” Dan Recht, the expert, said.

    The victim could be charged if the prosecutor decides that the shooting was not a case of personal protection.

    One neighbor, who spoke to Fox 31, said the homeowner should not be charged because it was still a matter of self-defense.

    Click for more from Fox 31.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2016 - 10:55 PM ET #2

    Yep. Sucks but you can not  and should not shoot at a person fleeing  because he robbed you. 

    what kind of charges ? depends. 
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    Yep. Sucks but you can not  and should not shoot at a person fleeing  because he robbed you. 

    what kind of charges ? depends. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2016 - 11:14 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Yep. Sucks but you can not  and should not shoot at a person fleeing  because he robbed you. 

    what kind of charges ? depends. 

    Does suck but the law is written. I think this will be an interesting story to follow. Could rewrite some self defense laws.
    I'd be impressed if the DA does forward with prosecution. The assailant is a dead career criminal. First year attorney could defend this man I think.
    Dunno about possible charges. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Yep. Sucks but you can not  and should not shoot at a person fleeing  because he robbed you. 

    what kind of charges ? depends. 

    Does suck but the law is written. I think this will be an interesting story to follow. Could rewrite some self defense laws.
    I'd be impressed if the DA does forward with prosecution. The assailant is a dead career criminal. First year attorney could defend this man I think.
    Dunno about possible charges. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2016 - 11:58 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:


    Does suck but the law is written. I think this will be an interesting story to follow. Could rewrite some self defense laws.
    I'd be impressed if the DA does forward with prosecution. The assailant is a dead career criminal. First year attorney could defend this man I think.
    Dunno about possible charges. 



    I don't think hes going to jail for murder , but charges yes. you can only do that " shooting up the neighborhood sht" in a movie without getting into trouble. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:


    Does suck but the law is written. I think this will be an interesting story to follow. Could rewrite some self defense laws.
    I'd be impressed if the DA does forward with prosecution. The assailant is a dead career criminal. First year attorney could defend this man I think.
    Dunno about possible charges. 



    I don't think hes going to jail for murder , but charges yes. you can only do that " shooting up the neighborhood sht" in a movie without getting into trouble. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 12:05 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:




    I don't think hes going to jail for murder , but charges yes. you can only do that " shooting up the neighborhood sht" in a movie without getting into trouble. 

    Agree, NRA has big time power and I'm sure they'll "send somebody over" to defend him if any charges are filed. DA knows it. DA also knows police won't cooperate with testimony if the matter reaches a courtroom. 
    DA's are squared up losers though so we'll see. Most Fuk*ed up job on earth. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:




    I don't think hes going to jail for murder , but charges yes. you can only do that " shooting up the neighborhood sht" in a movie without getting into trouble. 

    Agree, NRA has big time power and I'm sure they'll "send somebody over" to defend him if any charges are filed. DA knows it. DA also knows police won't cooperate with testimony if the matter reaches a courtroom. 
    DA's are squared up losers though so we'll see. Most Fuk*ed up job on earth. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 12:08 AM ET #6

    https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8     Remember this?
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    https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8     Remember this?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 12:11 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8     Remember this?



    that dude had a good lawyer . 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    https://youtu.be/_PUE8fYxjq8     Remember this?



    that dude had a good lawyer . 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 12:12 AM ET #8

    there is a neutralize threat defense.

    he was so shaken from his point of security that he believed if he did not act he would be facing imminent danger again.

    take a legal team but he could walk.


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    there is a neutralize threat defense.

    he was so shaken from his point of security that he believed if he did not act he would be facing imminent danger again.

    take a legal team but he could walk.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 12:29 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    there is a neutralize threat defense.

    he was so shaken from his point of security that he believed if he did not act he would be facing imminent danger again.

    take a legal team but he could walk.



    Will walk immediatly I believe. Good call. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    there is a neutralize threat defense.

    he was so shaken from his point of security that he believed if he did not act he would be facing imminent danger again.

    take a legal team but he could walk.



    Will walk immediatly I believe. Good call. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 10:03 AM ET #10

    yes, but they should give him a break with his sentence.
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    yes, but they should give him a break with his sentence.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2016 - 1:09 PM ET #11

    Yes, technically he should be charged.  However, if I was the DA in this case, I would let this one slide.  If he were to be charged, there's no way in hell would I indict him if I was on the grand jury.

    Reason being is that the guy has a lengthy rap sheet and held the victim at gunpoint.  This guy did the greater area of Denver a favor.


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    Yes, technically he should be charged.  However, if I was the DA in this case, I would let this one slide.  If he were to be charged, there's no way in hell would I indict him if I was on the grand jury.

    Reason being is that the guy has a lengthy rap sheet and held the victim at gunpoint.  This guy did the greater area of Denver a favor.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:

    Yes, technically he should be charged.  However, if I was the DA in this case, I would let this one slide.  If he were to be charged, there's no way in hell would I indict him if I was on the grand jury.

    Reason being is that the guy has a lengthy rap sheet and held the victim at gunpoint.  This guy did the greater area of Denver a favor.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:

    Yes, technically he should be charged.  However, if I was the DA in this case, I would let this one slide.  If he were to be charged, there's no way in hell would I indict him if I was on the grand jury.

    Reason being is that the guy has a lengthy rap sheet and held the victim at gunpoint.  This guy did the greater area of Denver a favor.



     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2016 - 10:34 AM ET #13

    Yes per the letter of the law, he should be charged.  But in the end that is up to the grand jury to decide.

    I can tell you how it results if he is charged... millions of taxpayer money spent, and he gets an acquittal because you will not find a jury of peers that will send him to jail IF his attorney does his job properly


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    Yes per the letter of the law, he should be charged.  But in the end that is up to the grand jury to decide.

    I can tell you how it results if he is charged... millions of taxpayer money spent, and he gets an acquittal because you will not find a jury of peers that will send him to jail IF his attorney does his job properly


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:

    Yes, technically he should be charged.  However, if I was the DA in this case, I would let this one slide.  If he were to be charged, there's no way in hell would I indict him if I was on the grand jury.

    Reason being is that the guy has a lengthy rap sheet and held the victim at gunpoint.  This guy did the greater area of Denver a favor.



    so funny - we wrote almost the exact same thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobbasaurus:

    Yes, technically he should be charged.  However, if I was the DA in this case, I would let this one slide.  If he were to be charged, there's no way in hell would I indict him if I was on the grand jury.

    Reason being is that the guy has a lengthy rap sheet and held the victim at gunpoint.  This guy did the greater area of Denver a favor.



    so funny - we wrote almost the exact same thing
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2016 - 10:37 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Yep. Sucks but you can not  and should not shoot at a person fleeing  because he robbed you. 

    what kind of charges ? depends. 

    I disagree. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Yep. Sucks but you can not  and should not shoot at a person fleeing  because he robbed you. 

    what kind of charges ? depends. 

    I disagree. 
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