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    Question Trump/Clinton debate

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    Kurshka
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 11:08 PM ET #1

    This is nonsense. All they do is argue and put each other done. I don't want this chit. I want to hear from each of them is what are your plans. How can start to make America good again.

    This one is important to me. They were asked about jobs. Trump said he does not want big companies outsourcing all our jobs over seas.  Keep the jobs in America. I agree. 

    They asked Hillery and she said its best to keep the jobs overseas and then said I will tell you why. I sure wanted to hear her answer but dumb ass Trump starts to argue about something that did not matter. Then Hillary brought up his tax returns. Stupid and I never got her answer.  

    Anybody know why jobs outsourced is good for America. 

    Thanks guys,
    Kursch
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    This is nonsense. All they do is argue and put each other done. I don't want this chit. I want to hear from each of them is what are your plans. How can start to make America good again.

    This one is important to me. They were asked about jobs. Trump said he does not want big companies outsourcing all our jobs over seas.  Keep the jobs in America. I agree. 

    They asked Hillery and she said its best to keep the jobs overseas and then said I will tell you why. I sure wanted to hear her answer but dumb ass Trump starts to argue about something that did not matter. Then Hillary brought up his tax returns. Stupid and I never got her answer.  

    Anybody know why jobs outsourced is good for America. 

    Thanks guys,
    Kursch
     
    dcp1985
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 12:10 AM ET #2

    Low prices on consumer goods is about the only reason.
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    Low prices on consumer goods is about the only reason.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 1:44 AM ET #3

    We need to keep the good jobs in the here.  A lot of jobs ìt would be tough to find Americans that would want   them unless the pay was really good.
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    We need to keep the good jobs in the here.  A lot of jobs ìt would be tough to find Americans that would want   them unless the pay was really good.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 6:06 AM ET #4

    A  lot of those oversea jobs are returning to America now but they are wages that start at like 10 bucks an hour. The days of union wages are far over. They have many chinese companies starting up plants in michigan but again the wages are so low to start.
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    A  lot of those oversea jobs are returning to America now but they are wages that start at like 10 bucks an hour. The days of union wages are far over. They have many chinese companies starting up plants in michigan but again the wages are so low to start.
     
    TheGoldenGoose
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 1:58 PM ET #5

    LOL.  You guys are arguing about the assassination of the Middle Class which has been taking place over the last 40-50 years.

    WAKE THE FUKK UP ALREADY!!!!

    The Corporate Fukks have been skrewing the Middle Class forever.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    LOL.  You guys are arguing about the assassination of the Middle Class which has been taking place over the last 40-50 years.

    WAKE THE FUKK UP ALREADY!!!!

    The Corporate Fukks have been skrewing the Middle Class forever.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 3:50 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    LOL.  You guys are arguing about the assassination of the Middle Class which has been taking place over the last 40-50 years.

    WAKE THE FUKK UP ALREADY!!!!

    The Corporate Fukks have been skrewing the Middle Class forever.

    And will continue to do so as long as the earth keeps rotating. 
    I'll say I was impressed with Donald last night. He takes absolutely no chit from that crazy fraudulent calculating woman. He could have really thrown the kitchen sink at her but he resisted. He's a remarkably honest man with true passion and grit. 
    None of that answered the OP's question - goose did. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    LOL.  You guys are arguing about the assassination of the Middle Class which has been taking place over the last 40-50 years.

    WAKE THE FUKK UP ALREADY!!!!

    The Corporate Fukks have been skrewing the Middle Class forever.

    And will continue to do so as long as the earth keeps rotating. 
    I'll say I was impressed with Donald last night. He takes absolutely no chit from that crazy fraudulent calculating woman. He could have really thrown the kitchen sink at her but he resisted. He's a remarkably honest man with true passion and grit. 
    None of that answered the OP's question - goose did. 
     
    666LES
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 5:28 PM ET #7

    As long as Trump didn't "step" in it he comes off a winner.With the country fed-up with insiders and pay for play,there was Clinton a 30-year insider and Trump who hasn't taken a $ from anyone.
    If this was2 months ago and Trump was dowwwwn in the polls,he would have had to savage Hillary but now all the movement is away from her and there is a virtual tie or Trump lead.
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    As long as Trump didn't "step" in it he comes off a winner.With the country fed-up with insiders and pay for play,there was Clinton a 30-year insider and Trump who hasn't taken a $ from anyone.
    If this was2 months ago and Trump was dowwwwn in the polls,he would have had to savage Hillary but now all the movement is away from her and there is a virtual tie or Trump lead.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 6:13 PM ET #8

    trump this trump that. all he has ever done is screw over people. total non sense. empty words.

    as for jobs. there are two openings per unemployed person. just gotta look. plenty of high paying jobs. frito lay jobs starting at 21 an hour. plenty of em too. degree not required. just common sense. tesla has 1000 of openings. good amount of em over 100,000$ salary.

    as for china and outsourcing. some genius came up w the idea to outsource it, made a ton of money, his neighbor or friend probably saw him make a lot of money so he copied the idea and the word spread. similar to every new industry. eg: vape shop owner/industry made ton of money, friend saw him rake it up and decided to open it up. now u have gov't destroy all the vape shops by regulation. the information age has been around for centuries. the dutch/spanish/english all used information to conquer others.
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    trump this trump that. all he has ever done is screw over people. total non sense. empty words.

    as for jobs. there are two openings per unemployed person. just gotta look. plenty of high paying jobs. frito lay jobs starting at 21 an hour. plenty of em too. degree not required. just common sense. tesla has 1000 of openings. good amount of em over 100,000$ salary.

    as for china and outsourcing. some genius came up w the idea to outsource it, made a ton of money, his neighbor or friend probably saw him make a lot of money so he copied the idea and the word spread. similar to every new industry. eg: vape shop owner/industry made ton of money, friend saw him rake it up and decided to open it up. now u have gov't destroy all the vape shops by regulation. the information age has been around for centuries. the dutch/spanish/english all used information to conquer others.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 7:12 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:


    And will continue to do so as long as the earth keeps rotating. 
    I'll say I was impressed with Donald last night. He takes absolutely no chit from that crazy fraudulent calculating woman. He could have really thrown the kitchen sink at her but he resisted. He's a remarkably honest man with true passion and grit. 
    None of that answered the OP's question - goose did. 
    We should stop eating bananas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:


    And will continue to do so as long as the earth keeps rotating. 
    I'll say I was impressed with Donald last night. He takes absolutely no chit from that crazy fraudulent calculating woman. He could have really thrown the kitchen sink at her but he resisted. He's a remarkably honest man with true passion and grit. 
    None of that answered the OP's question - goose did. 
     
    Greedybastard
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 10:34 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:

    This is nonsense. All they do is argue and put each other done. I don't want this chit. I want to hear from each of them is what are your plans. How can start to make America good again.

    This one is important to me. They were asked about jobs. Trump said he does not want big companies outsourcing all our jobs over seas.  Keep the jobs in America. I agree. 

    They asked Hillery and she said its best to keep the jobs overseas and then said I will tell you why. I sure wanted to hear her answer but dumb behind Trump starts to argue about something that did not matter. Then Hillary brought up his tax returns. Stupid and I never got her answer.  

    Anybody know why jobs outsourced is good for America. 

    Thanks guys,
    Kursch

    You know when you have a problem with your cable and you call customer service and you get the foreign guy answering all of your questions? This is annoying, but it is a good thing for us, the consumer. He makes about 3 bucks an hour, as opposed to the 25 bucks an hour an American would command. I don't need a cable bill, cell phone bill, or pair of running shoes that costs me 3-4 hundred bucks. I don't need "Made in the USA" on all my goods. I'd like it, but would not be willing to pay the enormous amounts to get it. I've stated before that illegal immigrants are great for our farming and meat industries because any self-respecting American would drive up the costs of fruits and veggies and meats 1000 percent. Although, I am in an industry that cannot be outsourced, so I may be a tad jaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurshka:

    This is nonsense. All they do is argue and put each other done. I don't want this chit. I want to hear from each of them is what are your plans. How can start to make America good again.

    This one is important to me. They were asked about jobs. Trump said he does not want big companies outsourcing all our jobs over seas.  Keep the jobs in America. I agree. 

    They asked Hillery and she said its best to keep the jobs overseas and then said I will tell you why. I sure wanted to hear her answer but dumb behind Trump starts to argue about something that did not matter. Then Hillary brought up his tax returns. Stupid and I never got her answer.  

    Anybody know why jobs outsourced is good for America. 

    Thanks guys,
    Kursch

    You know when you have a problem with your cable and you call customer service and you get the foreign guy answering all of your questions? This is annoying, but it is a good thing for us, the consumer. He makes about 3 bucks an hour, as opposed to the 25 bucks an hour an American would command. I don't need a cable bill, cell phone bill, or pair of running shoes that costs me 3-4 hundred bucks. I don't need "Made in the USA" on all my goods. I'd like it, but would not be willing to pay the enormous amounts to get it. I've stated before that illegal immigrants are great for our farming and meat industries because any self-respecting American would drive up the costs of fruits and veggies and meats 1000 percent. Although, I am in an industry that cannot be outsourced, so I may be a tad jaded.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 27, 2016 - 10:36 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    LOL.  You guys are arguing about the assassination of the Middle Class which has been taking place over the last 40-50 years.

    WAKE THE FUKK UP ALREADY!!!!

    The Corporate Fukks have been skrewing the Middle Class forever.



    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

    LOL.  You guys are arguing about the assassination of the Middle Class which has been taking place over the last 40-50 years.

    WAKE THE FUKK UP ALREADY!!!!

    The Corporate Fukks have been skrewing the Middle Class forever.



     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2016 - 4:15 AM ET #12

    Outsourced jobs are cheaper. Also good for Americans since we would pay half the price of the item. This and more, should be Hillary's answer but wasn't able to say it. 
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    Outsourced jobs are cheaper. Also good for Americans since we would pay half the price of the item. This and more, should be Hillary's answer but wasn't able to say it. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2016 - 4:39 AM ET #13

    We need more worker cooperative types of businesses. The profit stays with the people involved with the business.

    Alvarado Street Bakery is a worker-owned bakery located in Petaluma, California that produces certified organicwhole grain breads and bagels. Alvarado was featured in the 2009 Michael Moore documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story.[1]

    Alvarado is organized as a worker cooperative and each employee receives one share in the cooperative. The shares grant each employees an equal vote on business matters, including employee benefits, salaries and the reinvestment of profits.[2] As of 2009, more than half of the employees had been with the company for over 15 years and the average worker earned between $65,000 and $70,000 a year.[2]


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    We need more worker cooperative types of businesses. The profit stays with the people involved with the business.

    Alvarado Street Bakery is a worker-owned bakery located in Petaluma, California that produces certified organicwhole grain breads and bagels. Alvarado was featured in the 2009 Michael Moore documentary, Capitalism: A Love Story.[1]

    Alvarado is organized as a worker cooperative and each employee receives one share in the cooperative. The shares grant each employees an equal vote on business matters, including employee benefits, salaries and the reinvestment of profits.[2] As of 2009, more than half of the employees had been with the company for over 15 years and the average worker earned between $65,000 and $70,000 a year.[2]


     
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    A worker cooperative is a cooperative owned and self-managed by its workers. This control may be exercised in a number of ways. A cooperative enterprise may mean a firm where every worker-owner participates in decision-making in a democratic fashion, or it may refer to one in which management is elected by every worker-owner, and it can refer to a situation in which managers are considered, and treated as, workers of the firm. In traditional forms of worker cooperative, all shares are held by the workforce with no outside or consumer owners, and each member has one voting share. In practice, control by worker-owners may be exercised through individual, collective, or majority ownership by the workforce; or the retention of individual, collective, or majority voting rights (exercised on a one-member one-vote basis).[1] A worker cooperative, therefore, has the characteristic that the majority of its workforce own shares, and the majority of shares are owned by the workforce.[2]

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    A worker cooperative is a cooperative owned and self-managed by its workers. This control may be exercised in a number of ways. A cooperative enterprise may mean a firm where every worker-owner participates in decision-making in a democratic fashion, or it may refer to one in which management is elected by every worker-owner, and it can refer to a situation in which managers are considered, and treated as, workers of the firm. In traditional forms of worker cooperative, all shares are held by the workforce with no outside or consumer owners, and each member has one voting share. In practice, control by worker-owners may be exercised through individual, collective, or majority ownership by the workforce; or the retention of individual, collective, or majority voting rights (exercised on a one-member one-vote basis).[1] A worker cooperative, therefore, has the characteristic that the majority of its workforce own shares, and the majority of shares are owned by the workforce.[2]

     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2016 - 4:43 AM ET #15

    You do they work, you reap the rewards, not someone who just buys in with their money to make more money. 
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    You do they work, you reap the rewards, not someone who just buys in with their money to make more money. 
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2016 - 2:55 AM ET #16

    OP is asking the wrong question that fails to seek out a solution. The question is not why is outsourcing good, but rather "why is outsourcing happening at all?" Here's why - Americans refuse to work hard manufacturing jobs with high injury rates for $5-$7/hr with no benefits. Manufacturing companies can make more money by underpaying workers in other countries, which is understandable as they are mostly publicly owned companies who owe it to their shareholders to make a profit. You could repeal every state level and federal regulation, and you still aren't going to convince Americans to work for $6/hr.  What is so difficult about that to understand?????

    The key is not to try to reinvent the 1960s and 1970s, but to continue to evolve instead. But change scares people, so they would rather just stick their heads in the sand and pretend that things were better 40 years ago. 
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    OP is asking the wrong question that fails to seek out a solution. The question is not why is outsourcing good, but rather "why is outsourcing happening at all?" Here's why - Americans refuse to work hard manufacturing jobs with high injury rates for $5-$7/hr with no benefits. Manufacturing companies can make more money by underpaying workers in other countries, which is understandable as they are mostly publicly owned companies who owe it to their shareholders to make a profit. You could repeal every state level and federal regulation, and you still aren't going to convince Americans to work for $6/hr.  What is so difficult about that to understand?????

    The key is not to try to reinvent the 1960s and 1970s, but to continue to evolve instead. But change scares people, so they would rather just stick their heads in the sand and pretend that things were better 40 years ago. 
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