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    Our new stadium flyover fighter money pit is finally ready.

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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2016 - 6:37 PM ET #1

    The F-35. Pilot's helmet costs 150k.

    Click here: Air Force: F-35A fighter jet is now 'combat ready' | Fox News

    110 million per airplane. 
    379 million dollar weapons program.
    Conduct basic close air support


    Nobody wants to say those dreaded two words.  "Cold War" 



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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    The F-35. Pilot's helmet costs 150k.

    Click here: Air Force: F-35A fighter jet is now 'combat ready' | Fox News

    110 million per airplane. 
    379 million dollar weapons program.
    Conduct basic close air support


    Nobody wants to say those dreaded two words.  "Cold War" 



     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2016 - 8:20 PM ET #2


    Your Military Industrial Complex money at work.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Your Military Industrial Complex money at work.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2016 - 8:47 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Your Military Industrial Complex money at work.

    It's amazing goose,.Americans are somewhat versed on our national debt but most have no idea where the big money is actually being spent. This is a prime example of what is wrong with Govt corruption and debt. Canada bought a squadron of these flying turkeys as a result of U.S Dept Of War pressure. Parliament wants nothing to do with the airplane but the decision has been made and they can't refuse the order. 
    1 trillion total dollars to purchase one airplane and keep it flight worthy for it's projected lifetime. 
    It is a 100% fact that an F-18 Super Hornet or F-16 can flight the rivets off of this over weight sled of an airplane. 

    Lockeed Martin spent:
    23,097,558 on campaign financing.

    Lobbying expenses.
    125,580,880

    Cash received in earmarks.
    20,180,000

    I think it's important that Americans and Canadians stay up with where exactly these massive expenditures are going. John Mcain called the entire F-35 project a "Scandal."  He's spot on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


    Your Military Industrial Complex money at work.

    It's amazing goose,.Americans are somewhat versed on our national debt but most have no idea where the big money is actually being spent. This is a prime example of what is wrong with Govt corruption and debt. Canada bought a squadron of these flying turkeys as a result of U.S Dept Of War pressure. Parliament wants nothing to do with the airplane but the decision has been made and they can't refuse the order. 
    1 trillion total dollars to purchase one airplane and keep it flight worthy for it's projected lifetime. 
    It is a 100% fact that an F-18 Super Hornet or F-16 can flight the rivets off of this over weight sled of an airplane. 

    Lockeed Martin spent:
    23,097,558 on campaign financing.

    Lobbying expenses.
    125,580,880

    Cash received in earmarks.
    20,180,000

    I think it's important that Americans and Canadians stay up with where exactly these massive expenditures are going. John Mcain called the entire F-35 project a "Scandal."  He's spot on.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2016 - 11:18 PM ET #4

    I'm more interested in how you're the only human being on Covers who knows how to create a hyperlink? 
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    I'm more interested in how you're the only human being on Covers who knows how to create a hyperlink? 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 4, 2016 - 11:49 PM ET #5

    The citizenry is more interested in Kim Kardashian.... I know it's not big big money but hey were a state sponsor of terrorism as well...

    #1 Boston Marathon bombers - brought here and given Federal $ to live and eventually blow-up the Boston Marathon...

    #2 $400M in cash to Iran in January. Why on earth would we give them a nickel is beyond me unless we're state sponsors of terrorism. $150B for the Iran Nuke deal. We've owed Iran a bombing since 1980 but they continue to get cash & love. Its beyond my pay grade to understand why on earth Iran hasn't been terminated with extreme prejudice by now by the U.S. or Israel...

    So they dropped some cash on an airplane. Ho-hum, the moron doesn't care. He only cares about convicted heroin dealers dying in police custody... The Secretary of State took it upon herself to have classified information on her own server - not a problem in 2016. 
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    The citizenry is more interested in Kim Kardashian.... I know it's not big big money but hey were a state sponsor of terrorism as well...

    #1 Boston Marathon bombers - brought here and given Federal $ to live and eventually blow-up the Boston Marathon...

    #2 $400M in cash to Iran in January. Why on earth would we give them a nickel is beyond me unless we're state sponsors of terrorism. $150B for the Iran Nuke deal. We've owed Iran a bombing since 1980 but they continue to get cash & love. Its beyond my pay grade to understand why on earth Iran hasn't been terminated with extreme prejudice by now by the U.S. or Israel...

    So they dropped some cash on an airplane. Ho-hum, the moron doesn't care. He only cares about convicted heroin dealers dying in police custody... The Secretary of State took it upon herself to have classified information on her own server - not a problem in 2016. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2016 - 12:34 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by t6rider:

    I'm more interested in how you're the only human being on Covers who knows how to create a hyperlink? 

    lol. I'm glad to help but ya have to have an old aol version. 

    Gentlemen may I present to you a fighter, bomber close air support airplane that we cannot develop. She is a monster. Designed for air superiority at all levels. Yes the F-18 and 18  can play but the F-35 is almost obsolete in today's close support. 


     Russian SU-30. Money well spent.

      Click here: Sukhoi Su-30SM Flanker-C Supermaneuverable Multirole Fighter Aircraft of Russi
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    Quote Originally Posted by t6rider:

    I'm more interested in how you're the only human being on Covers who knows how to create a hyperlink? 

    lol. I'm glad to help but ya have to have an old aol version. 

    Gentlemen may I present to you a fighter, bomber close air support airplane that we cannot develop. She is a monster. Designed for air superiority at all levels. Yes the F-18 and 18  can play but the F-35 is almost obsolete in today's close support. 


     Russian SU-30. Money well spent.

      Click here: Sukhoi Su-30SM Flanker-C Supermaneuverable Multirole Fighter Aircraft of Russi
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 10:55 AM ET #7

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLSyKj91V4
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    www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLSyKj91V4
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 11:47 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by t6rider:

    I'm more interested in how you're the only human being on Covers who knows how to create a hyperlink? 
    make that two of us
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    Quote Originally Posted by t6rider:

    I'm more interested in how you're the only human being on Covers who knows how to create a hyperlink? 
    make that two of us
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 12:14 PM ET #9

    F-35 capabilities are not released, I know the figures declared to the public and press pretty much an albatross with jet engines. But we can not give our enemies the capabilities of this air craft. So john q american citizen gets the same press release as Dimitri in Russia. 

    They been yammering on about the Clinton email now an asset in Iran was hung by neck to death.

    Our freedom of speech and specialmacttion programs. Can not be aligned.


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    F-35 capabilities are not released, I know the figures declared to the public and press pretty much an albatross with jet engines. But we can not give our enemies the capabilities of this air craft. So john q american citizen gets the same press release as Dimitri in Russia. 

    They been yammering on about the Clinton email now an asset in Iran was hung by neck to death.

    Our freedom of speech and specialmacttion programs. Can not be aligned.


     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 5:17 PM ET #10

    I'm registered as an independent voter ( in Massachusetts they call it "unenrolled" ). Although not certified by the Covers self-anointed, "documented non-partisan, independents", whatever that is, I find it hard to identify a more vile political hypocrite than John McCain. He's a fraud who has been wrong on every major issue in his career .Citing him for anything runs the risk of losing all credibility.
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    I'm registered as an independent voter ( in Massachusetts they call it "unenrolled" ). Although not certified by the Covers self-anointed, "documented non-partisan, independents", whatever that is, I find it hard to identify a more vile political hypocrite than John McCain. He's a fraud who has been wrong on every major issue in his career .Citing him for anything runs the risk of losing all credibility.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 6:13 PM ET #11

    7 things we could've paid for instead of this project:


    https://time.com/money/4310099/f-35-budget-pay-free-college-student-loans/


    makes you wanna do this:


    then this:


    then a LOT of this:


    Our whole core and infrastructure is crumbling, but, hey, check out our new fancy planes!!!!!



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    7 things we could've paid for instead of this project:


    https://time.com/money/4310099/f-35-budget-pay-free-college-student-loans/


    makes you wanna do this:


    then this:


    then a LOT of this:


    Our whole core and infrastructure is crumbling, but, hey, check out our new fancy planes!!!!!



     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 8:32 PM ET #12

    The top 3 private employers in this country are Wal Mart, Yum Brands(fast food conglomerate), and McDonalds. I'd rather the US government (who employs more people than those 3 waste cases combined) spend money on high tech military companies like Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing who provide wages way above and beyond the service sector 3.

    Invest with pennies and you'll make pennies. Invest with dollars and you'll make dollars. 
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    The top 3 private employers in this country are Wal Mart, Yum Brands(fast food conglomerate), and McDonalds. I'd rather the US government (who employs more people than those 3 waste cases combined) spend money on high tech military companies like Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing who provide wages way above and beyond the service sector 3.

    Invest with pennies and you'll make pennies. Invest with dollars and you'll make dollars. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2016 - 11:07 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:

    The top 3 private employers in this country are Wal Mart, Yum Brands(fast food conglomerate), and McDonalds. I'd rather the US government (who employs more people than those 3 waste cases combined) spend money on high tech military companies like Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing who provide wages way above and beyond the service sector 3.

    Invest with pennies and you'll make pennies. Invest with dollars and you'll make dollars. 

    Little more research than that - both product and economics there Getter.
    Tell me one thing about this airplane that justifies the cost. Do not say "advanced weapon system" unless you know what you're talking about. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Getty3:

    The top 3 private employers in this country are Wal Mart, Yum Brands(fast food conglomerate), and McDonalds. I'd rather the US government (who employs more people than those 3 waste cases combined) spend money on high tech military companies like Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing who provide wages way above and beyond the service sector 3.

    Invest with pennies and you'll make pennies. Invest with dollars and you'll make dollars. 

    Little more research than that - both product and economics there Getter.
    Tell me one thing about this airplane that justifies the cost. Do not say "advanced weapon system" unless you know what you're talking about. 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 5:08 AM ET #14

    F-35 fire it's gun pod for the very first time...


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4634/watch-the-f-35-fire-its-gun-pod-for-the-very-first-time
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    F-35 fire it's gun pod for the very first time...


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4634/watch-the-f-35-fire-its-gun-pod-for-the-very-first-time
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 7:31 PM ET #15

    The U.S. population is roughly 5% of the Earth (300 million/6 billion), but we spend 43% of the world's military expenditures.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-steven-friedman/military-spending-united-states_b_1118851.html
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    The U.S. population is roughly 5% of the Earth (300 million/6 billion), but we spend 43% of the world's military expenditures.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-steven-friedman/military-spending-united-states_b_1118851.html
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 7:40 PM ET #16

    Cost and time overruns in Major Defense Acquisition Programs (MDAPs) have become a high-profile problem attracting the interest of Congress, government and watchdog groups.  According to the GAO, the 98 MDAPs from FY2010 collectively ran $402 billion over budget and were an average of 22 months behind schedule since their first full estimate. President Obama’s memorandum on government contracting of 4 March 2009 also highlighted this issue. 

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/cost-and-time-overruns-major-defense-acquisition-programs-2011-0

    I doubt if anything was done about this in Obama's second term.  If any of you Obama fans have some evidence that this problem was at least somewhat rectified, please post a link.
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    Cost and time overruns in Major Defense Acquisition Programs (MDAPs) have become a high-profile problem attracting the interest of Congress, government and watchdog groups.  According to the GAO, the 98 MDAPs from FY2010 collectively ran $402 billion over budget and were an average of 22 months behind schedule since their first full estimate. President Obama’s memorandum on government contracting of 4 March 2009 also highlighted this issue. 

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/cost-and-time-overruns-major-defense-acquisition-programs-2011-0

    I doubt if anything was done about this in Obama's second term.  If any of you Obama fans have some evidence that this problem was at least somewhat rectified, please post a link.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2016 - 11:07 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    F-35 fire it's gun pod for the very first time...


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4634/watch-the-f-35-fire-its-gun-pod-for-the-very-first-time


    Definitely solid Horse. Here's one that does the same (close air support) and more for cheap.


    Click here: Awesome A-10 Thunderbolt II Brrrt Compilation - Happy Brrrt Day Special - YouT

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    F-35 fire it's gun pod for the very first time...


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4634/watch-the-f-35-fire-its-gun-pod-for-the-very-first-time


    Definitely solid Horse. Here's one that does the same (close air support) and more for cheap.


    Click here: Awesome A-10 Thunderbolt II Brrrt Compilation - Happy Brrrt Day Special - YouT

     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2016 - 2:20 PM ET #18

    program is dead in the water so to speak
    lock-head shares droping like pennies from  the empire state building.
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    program is dead in the water so to speak
    lock-head shares droping like pennies from  the empire state building.
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 24, 2016 - 3:11 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    The citizenry is more interested in Kim Kardashian.... I know it's not big big money but hey were a state sponsor of terrorism as well...

    #1 Boston Marathon bombers - brought here and given Federal $ to live and eventually blow-up the Boston Marathon...

    #2 $400M in cash to Iran in January. Why on earth would we give them a nickel is beyond me unless we're state sponsors of terrorism. $150B for the Iran Nuke deal. We've owed Iran a bombing since 1980 but they continue to get cash & love. Its beyond my pay grade to understand why on earth Iran hasn't been terminated with extreme prejudice by now by the U.S. or Israel...

    So they dropped some cash on an airplane. Ho-hum, the moron doesn't care. He only cares about convicted heroin dealers dying in police custody... The Secretary of State took it upon herself to have classified information on her own server - not a problem in 2016. 

    You keep spouting your ignorance

    The US government did not give Ian tax payer's money

    Iran's money held under sanctions due to 1979 hostage crisis and nuclear program was returned to them
    not in US dollars but Swiss francs, euros and other foreign currencies. Cash money was given to Iran because Congress banned dollars transfer to Iran. the Obama administration had to buy foreign currency and transfer it to Iran.

    why 400 millions ?
    $400 million payment for military equipment was made by the government of the Shah of Iran, prior to the 1979 uprising that topped him.

    the new Iran revolutionary government wanted the 400 millions dollars back.

    12 billions dollars in Iranian assets (oil .. ) were held by the U.S government after the U.S. severed diplomatic relations with Tehran due to 1979 hostage crisis. 

    https://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    The citizenry is more interested in Kim Kardashian.... I know it's not big big money but hey were a state sponsor of terrorism as well...

    #1 Boston Marathon bombers - brought here and given Federal $ to live and eventually blow-up the Boston Marathon...

    #2 $400M in cash to Iran in January. Why on earth would we give them a nickel is beyond me unless we're state sponsors of terrorism. $150B for the Iran Nuke deal. We've owed Iran a bombing since 1980 but they continue to get cash & love. Its beyond my pay grade to understand why on earth Iran hasn't been terminated with extreme prejudice by now by the U.S. or Israel...

    So they dropped some cash on an airplane. Ho-hum, the moron doesn't care. He only cares about convicted heroin dealers dying in police custody... The Secretary of State took it upon herself to have classified information on her own server - not a problem in 2016. 

    You keep spouting your ignorance

    The US government did not give Ian tax payer's money

    Iran's money held under sanctions due to 1979 hostage crisis and nuclear program was returned to them
    not in US dollars but Swiss francs, euros and other foreign currencies. Cash money was given to Iran because Congress banned dollars transfer to Iran. the Obama administration had to buy foreign currency and transfer it to Iran.

    why 400 millions ?
    $400 million payment for military equipment was made by the government of the Shah of Iran, prior to the 1979 uprising that topped him.

    the new Iran revolutionary government wanted the 400 millions dollars back.

    12 billions dollars in Iranian assets (oil .. ) were held by the U.S government after the U.S. severed diplomatic relations with Tehran due to 1979 hostage crisis. 

    https://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/
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