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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 2:32 AM ET #1

    I don't know if this has been talked about before in the forums.

    I just watched a show about it on the Military Channel. Very
     informative using today's forensics.

    A sharpshooter was hired to replicate the shooter/shooters from five
     different possible positions on that Dallas day in 1963,
     including the Book Depository and the infamous grassy knoll
     spot. Using today's forensics they came to the conclusion
     that the fatal head shot did come from the Book Depository.

    When comparing the splatter from the real day to the splatter from
     the experiment the Book Depository shot was identical. Most
     of it went forward and against the inside of the door on the
     side Kennedy was sitting.

    There was splatter and brain matter that did go backwards. The
     forensics scientists attributed most of it to the momentum of
     the car going forward along with a 15mph wind that was
     blowing directly in the face of the limousine. There was even
     splatter that was on the outside of the front windshield which
     means the shot came from behind which caused the splatter
     to go forward then the wind blew it back into the windshield.

    When the sharpshooter tried to replicate the shot from the grassy
     knoll it was determined the splatter went in a different
     direction. They also figured that when the fatal shot hit the
     President (frame 133 of the Zapruder Film) it would have also
     killed the First Lady.

    They never tried to dispute a second gunmen. They even mentioned
     in one of the still photos taken by someone on the opposite
     side of the grassy knoll that a figure may have actually been
     in that spot. Their goal was to figure out where the fatal head
     shot came from and they concluded it came from the Book
     Depository, not the grassy knoll.
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    I don't know if this has been talked about before in the forums.

    I just watched a show about it on the Military Channel. Very
     informative using today's forensics.

    A sharpshooter was hired to replicate the shooter/shooters from five
     different possible positions on that Dallas day in 1963,
     including the Book Depository and the infamous grassy knoll
     spot. Using today's forensics they came to the conclusion
     that the fatal head shot did come from the Book Depository.

    When comparing the splatter from the real day to the splatter from
     the experiment the Book Depository shot was identical. Most
     of it went forward and against the inside of the door on the
     side Kennedy was sitting.

    There was splatter and brain matter that did go backwards. The
     forensics scientists attributed most of it to the momentum of
     the car going forward along with a 15mph wind that was
     blowing directly in the face of the limousine. There was even
     splatter that was on the outside of the front windshield which
     means the shot came from behind which caused the splatter
     to go forward then the wind blew it back into the windshield.

    When the sharpshooter tried to replicate the shot from the grassy
     knoll it was determined the splatter went in a different
     direction. They also figured that when the fatal shot hit the
     President (frame 133 of the Zapruder Film) it would have also
     killed the First Lady.

    They never tried to dispute a second gunmen. They even mentioned
     in one of the still photos taken by someone on the opposite
     side of the grassy knoll that a figure may have actually been
     in that spot. Their goal was to figure out where the fatal head
     shot came from and they concluded it came from the Book
     Depository, not the grassy knoll.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 6:25 AM ET #2

    wait...somebody shot kennedy?????
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 9:56 AM ET #3

    I Believe whatever the Govt. says happened 
    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 10:07 AM ET #5

    back and to the left

    back and to the left

    back and to the left
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    back and to the left

    back and to the left

    back and to the left
     
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    Good thread.

    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    I don't disagree with LHO firing three bullets. I just don't think forensically, he was the only one firing.   

     

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    Good thread.

    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    I don't disagree with LHO firing three bullets. I just don't think forensically, he was the only one firing.   

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 11:13 AM ET #7

    It wasn't suicide?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    It wasn't suicide?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    I've got inside info that the second shooter was actually Tommy Lasorda.

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    I've got inside info that the second shooter was actually Tommy Lasorda.

     
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    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    ____________

    Read "Case Closed" by Posner.  It's the best, most complete comprehensive examination of the whole thing.  Answered all my questions.  Forensically fascinating, but it goes well beyond that in its examination of everything surrounding what happened.  

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    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    ____________

    Read "Case Closed" by Posner.  It's the best, most complete comprehensive examination of the whole thing.  Answered all my questions.  Forensically fascinating, but it goes well beyond that in its examination of everything surrounding what happened.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    ____________

    Read "Case Closed" by Posner.  It's the best, most complete comprehensive examination of the whole thing.  Answered all my questions.  Forensically fascinating, but it goes well beyond that in its examination of everything surrounding what happened.  

    Oh, I have read it. My issues with it are three main things:

    1) He claimed interviews with Secret Service that were denied by those same officers;

    2) He misstated the cheek where Teague suffered his injury (was his right), which impacted angle and timing of shot;

    3) He made a conclusatory statement that Oswald and Ruby did not know each other despite photos and witnesses stating they had.

    There are books out there that completely debunk Posner, who only writes about the lack of conspiracies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    ____________

    Read "Case Closed" by Posner.  It's the best, most complete comprehensive examination of the whole thing.  Answered all my questions.  Forensically fascinating, but it goes well beyond that in its examination of everything surrounding what happened.  

    Oh, I have read it. My issues with it are three main things:

    1) He claimed interviews with Secret Service that were denied by those same officers;

    2) He misstated the cheek where Teague suffered his injury (was his right), which impacted angle and timing of shot;

    3) He made a conclusatory statement that Oswald and Ruby did not know each other despite photos and witnesses stating they had.

    There are books out there that completely debunk Posner, who only writes about the lack of conspiracies.

     
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    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    ____________

    Read "Case Closed" by Posner.  It's the best, most complete comprehensive examination of the whole thing.  Answered all my questions.  Forensically fascinating, but it goes well beyond that in its examination of everything surrounding what happened.  

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    The real key in the JFK mystery is whether you believe a bullet could enter the back of a human, exit the throat, enter and exit the shoulder, enter and exit the wrist, and land undamaged.

    If you do, then you can argue that there was one shooter.

    ____________

    Read "Case Closed" by Posner.  It's the best, most complete comprehensive examination of the whole thing.  Answered all my questions.  Forensically fascinating, but it goes well beyond that in its examination of everything surrounding what happened.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Oh, I have read it. My issues with it are three main things:

    1) He claimed interviews with Secret Service that were denied by those same officers;

    2) He misstated the cheek where Teague suffered his injury (was his right), which impacted angle and timing of shot;

    3) He made a conclusatory statement that Oswald and Ruby did not know each other despite photos and witnesses stating they had.

    There are books out there that completely debunk Posner, who only writes about the lack of conspiracies.


    Most of the stuff I've read creates more questions than it answers.  

    If you can direct me to a few books that don't, please do. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Oh, I have read it. My issues with it are three main things:

    1) He claimed interviews with Secret Service that were denied by those same officers;

    2) He misstated the cheek where Teague suffered his injury (was his right), which impacted angle and timing of shot;

    3) He made a conclusatory statement that Oswald and Ruby did not know each other despite photos and witnesses stating they had.

    There are books out there that completely debunk Posner, who only writes about the lack of conspiracies.


    Most of the stuff I've read creates more questions than it answers.  

    If you can direct me to a few books that don't, please do. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


    Most of the stuff I've read creates more questions than it answers.  

    If you can direct me to a few books that don't, please do. 

    I think lots of the books are good, including Case Closed. My issue is that I think most of them are self-serving, depending on what the author wants the reader to believe. A few books out there raise questions, and let the reader think of ther answer.

    My single biggest question is: since Oswald and Ruby knew each other and were seen and photographed together, why did Ruby and non-conspiracy believers mislead about that.

    A conspiracy can also be simplistic in nature i.e. a few people involved. It never had to be the whole CIA, police force, etc.

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    Most of the stuff I've read creates more questions than it answers.  

    If you can direct me to a few books that don't, please do. 

    I think lots of the books are good, including Case Closed. My issue is that I think most of them are self-serving, depending on what the author wants the reader to believe. A few books out there raise questions, and let the reader think of ther answer.

    My single biggest question is: since Oswald and Ruby knew each other and were seen and photographed together, why did Ruby and non-conspiracy believers mislead about that.

    A conspiracy can also be simplistic in nature i.e. a few people involved. It never had to be the whole CIA, police force, etc.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 21, 2012 - 2:53 PM ET #14

    Even though the show was an hour long the only thing they really concentrated on was the fatal head shot. 

    The title of the show was "JFK: Inside the Target Car." I don't know when it comes on again but if you haven't seen it I recommend it.
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    Even though the show was an hour long the only thing they really concentrated on was the fatal head shot. 

    The title of the show was "JFK: Inside the Target Car." I don't know when it comes on again but if you haven't seen it I recommend it.
     
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    i wonder why he had to be killed... 

    that would be more interesting to find out than who killed him... 
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    i wonder why he had to be killed... 

    that would be more interesting to find out than who killed him... 
     
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    Did this show mention something about a bullet hitting the street sign or light and some innocent person getting hit with the riccochet who couldn't understand why his leg was bleeding?  The premise being there was another shot fired but it hit this street light/sign and not JFK as intended?

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    Did this show mention something about a bullet hitting the street sign or light and some innocent person getting hit with the riccochet who couldn't understand why his leg was bleeding?  The premise being there was another shot fired but it hit this street light/sign and not JFK as intended?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I think lots of the books are good, including Case Closed. My issue is that I think most of them are self-serving, depending on what the author wants the reader to believe. A few books out there raise questions, and let the reader think of ther answer.

    My single biggest question is: since Oswald and Ruby knew each other and were seen and photographed together, why did Ruby and non-conspiracy believers mislead about that.

    A conspiracy can also be simplistic in nature i.e. a few people involved. It never had to be the whole CIA, police force, etc.


    I've also seen that Ruby said if had not made a wrong turn going down to the Western Union.....had he gone the correct way.  He would have never had the chance to kill him as it was a 30 second or so window he would have missed. Ruby says he didn't know Oswalt.  

    That to me just doesn't sound like the type of story someone makes up.  Does it to you?

    Kind of like 9/11....nothing is going to always make sense.  It's a complicated series of events.  What makes most sense to me is that he acted alone.  

    Even if it was a conspiracy with few people involved, it would just amaze me that no one would ever reveal what happened. 
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    I think lots of the books are good, including Case Closed. My issue is that I think most of them are self-serving, depending on what the author wants the reader to believe. A few books out there raise questions, and let the reader think of ther answer.

    My single biggest question is: since Oswald and Ruby knew each other and were seen and photographed together, why did Ruby and non-conspiracy believers mislead about that.

    A conspiracy can also be simplistic in nature i.e. a few people involved. It never had to be the whole CIA, police force, etc.


    I've also seen that Ruby said if had not made a wrong turn going down to the Western Union.....had he gone the correct way.  He would have never had the chance to kill him as it was a 30 second or so window he would have missed. Ruby says he didn't know Oswalt.  

    That to me just doesn't sound like the type of story someone makes up.  Does it to you?

    Kind of like 9/11....nothing is going to always make sense.  It's a complicated series of events.  What makes most sense to me is that he acted alone.  

    Even if it was a conspiracy with few people involved, it would just amaze me that no one would ever reveal what happened. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Did this show mention something about a bullet hitting the street sign or light and some innocent person getting hit with the riccochet who couldn't understand why his leg was bleeding?  The premise being there was another shot fired but it hit this street light/sign and not JFK as intended?


    They never spoke about the ricochet. I heard about it in the movie and I also read Jim Garrison's book. With all of the technical and scientific info they jammed in that one hour they could have made a mini series if they looked into the conspiracy, the magic bullet, Oswald's background, the Ruby connection, the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, etc.
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    Did this show mention something about a bullet hitting the street sign or light and some innocent person getting hit with the riccochet who couldn't understand why his leg was bleeding?  The premise being there was another shot fired but it hit this street light/sign and not JFK as intended?


    They never spoke about the ricochet. I heard about it in the movie and I also read Jim Garrison's book. With all of the technical and scientific info they jammed in that one hour they could have made a mini series if they looked into the conspiracy, the magic bullet, Oswald's background, the Ruby connection, the FBI, CIA, Pentagon, etc.
     
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    I read Case Closed based on Hutch's recommendation. Because of the way it, in my opinion, thoroughly examines each angle of the story, it was more than enough to convince me that there was only one shooter. Any links or books that objectively support an alternative?

    Side note: JFK was killed on my birthday 24 years before I was born. 

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    I read Case Closed based on Hutch's recommendation. Because of the way it, in my opinion, thoroughly examines each angle of the story, it was more than enough to convince me that there was only one shooter. Any links or books that objectively support an alternative?

    Side note: JFK was killed on my birthday 24 years before I was born. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    i wonder why he had to be killed... 

    that would be more interesting to find out than who killed him... 

    This peaks my curiosity as well. 
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    i wonder why he had to be killed... 

    that would be more interesting to find out than who killed him... 

    This peaks my curiosity as well. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    i wonder why he had to be killed... 

    that would be more interesting to find out than who killed him... 


    why did the shooting arizona have to happen?

    why was she targeted and put in the cross hairs?
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    i wonder why he had to be killed... 

    that would be more interesting to find out than who killed him... 


    why did the shooting arizona have to happen?

    why was she targeted and put in the cross hairs?
     
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    why did the shooting arizona have to happen?

    why was she targeted and put in the cross hairs?

    The dude in Arizona was insane. Insanity is the same reason Jeffrey Dahmer killed those people and ate their body parts.

    We can speculate for hours why JFK was killed: Oswald was a Communist, Oswald was a patsy, the mafia had it in for him and RFK, the Pentagon wanted war with Vietnam, the CIA thought he was soft because of the Bay of Pigs. We may never know.
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    why did the shooting arizona have to happen?

    why was she targeted and put in the cross hairs?

    The dude in Arizona was insane. Insanity is the same reason Jeffrey Dahmer killed those people and ate their body parts.

    We can speculate for hours why JFK was killed: Oswald was a Communist, Oswald was a patsy, the mafia had it in for him and RFK, the Pentagon wanted war with Vietnam, the CIA thought he was soft because of the Bay of Pigs. We may never know.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Even though the show was an hour long the only thing they really concentrated on was the fatal head shot. 

    The title of the show was "JFK: Inside the Target Car." I don't know when it comes on again but if you haven't seen it I recommend it.



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    Even though the show was an hour long the only thing they really concentrated on was the fatal head shot. 

    The title of the show was "JFK: Inside the Target Car." I don't know when it comes on again but if you haven't seen it I recommend it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


    Most of the stuff I've read creates more questions than it answers.  

    If you can direct me to a few books that don't, please do. 



    recommend

    Reclaiming History

    The Assassination Of President John F.Kennedy

    author  Vincent Bugliosi



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    Most of the stuff I've read creates more questions than it answers.  

    If you can direct me to a few books that don't, please do. 



    recommend

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    The Assassination Of President John F.Kennedy

    author  Vincent Bugliosi



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