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    If you were to ask me what they should change about horse wagering, sports wagering.

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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 4:02 AM ET #1

    Assuming I go out and wager fundamental quality at 2 to 5 to show like the last race a 2 dollar bet pays a dime. Each dollar I bet on eq pays 5 pennies. Assuming I go out and take alabama - 10 against nebraska 2 dollars pays 3.82. Why the exotics in horse racing don't pay what they do in different games? Each dollar I bet in nba or nfl or school football pays .91 pennies a dollar and the exotics in horse racing just compensation 5 pennies a dollar? How could I go out and wager 10 dollars on eq when it will pay 50 pennies, and in the event that I go out and wager on 10 dollars on alabama to beat nebraska it will pay 19.10? Why extraordinary wagers in horse racing don't pay what they do in the nba or nfl or school football? It is possible that it ought to get changed so every bet in horse racing pays no less than 91 pennies a dollar back or on the other hand on the off chance that I bet 110 dollars on alabama - 10 to beat nebraska, you should just win $1.10 pennies rather than a 100 dollars. Nobody in there right psyche would wager on horse racing when an outlandish bet in the nfl or nba or school football pays 10 fold the amount. All sports should pay a similar measure of cash as opposed to covering horse racing.

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    Assuming I go out and wager fundamental quality at 2 to 5 to show like the last race a 2 dollar bet pays a dime. Each dollar I bet on eq pays 5 pennies. Assuming I go out and take alabama - 10 against nebraska 2 dollars pays 3.82. Why the exotics in horse racing don't pay what they do in different games? Each dollar I bet in nba or nfl or school football pays .91 pennies a dollar and the exotics in horse racing just compensation 5 pennies a dollar? How could I go out and wager 10 dollars on eq when it will pay 50 pennies, and in the event that I go out and wager on 10 dollars on alabama to beat nebraska it will pay 19.10? Why extraordinary wagers in horse racing don't pay what they do in the nba or nfl or school football? It is possible that it ought to get changed so every bet in horse racing pays no less than 91 pennies a dollar back or on the other hand on the off chance that I bet 110 dollars on alabama - 10 to beat nebraska, you should just win $1.10 pennies rather than a 100 dollars. Nobody in there right psyche would wager on horse racing when an outlandish bet in the nfl or nba or school football pays 10 fold the amount. All sports should pay a similar measure of cash as opposed to covering horse racing.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 10:14 AM ET #2

    I think you should not be gambling, Zane.

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    I think you should not be gambling, Zane.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 12:43 PM ET #3

    Tellers would love paying people 2.13 on show bets on that 1-2 horse running at Monticello on a Wednesday afternoon. 

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    Tellers would love paying people 2.13 on show bets on that 1-2 horse running at Monticello on a Wednesday afternoon. 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 1:22 PM ET #4

     What does a show bet on Alabama pay?

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     What does a show bet on Alabama pay?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 2:51 PM ET #5

    The problem is you aren't betting ENOUGH $ on that show horse.If you were to bet $20,000 Show on that 2-5 horse at Hollywood Park,West Virgina you would get a payoff of $22,000.Most Gambling problems are the result of not betting enough $.

    The More you bet the More you Win...

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    The problem is you aren't betting ENOUGH $ on that show horse.If you were to bet $20,000 Show on that 2-5 horse at Hollywood Park,West Virgina you would get a payoff of $22,000.Most Gambling problems are the result of not betting enough $.

    The More you bet the More you Win...

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 9:06 PM ET #6

    I used to train and race harness race horses. Para- mutual means betting amongst each other not against the book. In Michigan the track takes out 15% and the purses get 7.5% and the track gets 7.5%. Other states take up to 25%. A negative pool is paid by the track. This can happen when, say a 1-9 fav wins. They try like hell to avoid this situation. 

    So your betting against others, not a book with computerized algorithms. Beware, insider information can drive wagering. A horse trains well or they figured out what vet work the horse needs, etc. Happens sometimes, not often.

    I've hit trifecta's for $500 plus on $2, a three team college football parlay pays 5-1, so it's all relative and what you like.

    As a horse trainer/ owner I hated seeing the track charging for parking, admission, and programs. Your down $10 before you get in the door! That was in the 90's could be different now.

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    I used to train and race harness race horses. Para- mutual means betting amongst each other not against the book. In Michigan the track takes out 15% and the purses get 7.5% and the track gets 7.5%. Other states take up to 25%. A negative pool is paid by the track. This can happen when, say a 1-9 fav wins. They try like hell to avoid this situation. 

    So your betting against others, not a book with computerized algorithms. Beware, insider information can drive wagering. A horse trains well or they figured out what vet work the horse needs, etc. Happens sometimes, not often.

    I've hit trifecta's for $500 plus on $2, a three team college football parlay pays 5-1, so it's all relative and what you like.

    As a horse trainer/ owner I hated seeing the track charging for parking, admission, and programs. Your down $10 before you get in the door! That was in the 90's could be different now.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2022 - 9:11 PM ET #7

    Betting 1-9, 2-5,  favorites to show is like betting Bama football -25  moneyline.

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    Betting 1-9, 2-5,  favorites to show is like betting Bama football -25  moneyline.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2022 - 2:07 PM ET #8

    Losing on a 1-9 shot creates bridge jumpers..........

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    Losing on a 1-9 shot creates bridge jumpers..........

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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2022 - 6:03 AM ET #9

    Welcome back Zebrakiller  (zanewiller) 

    With your 16th documented alias,

    and a ridiculous thread on horse racing....totally senseless, without merit.....

    enjoy your charade while it last

    an_roll_laugh

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    Welcome back Zebrakiller  (zanewiller) 

    With your 16th documented alias,

    and a ridiculous thread on horse racing....totally senseless, without merit.....

    enjoy your charade while it last

    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2022 - 3:24 PM ET #10

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     tHIS ain't Zebra..

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    @sports_Network

     tHIS ain't Zebra..

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2022 - 5:21 AM ET #11

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     Enlighten me, then who is it? Every phrase identical, ridiculous ZEBRA type of thread, and commentary , damn near word for word...

    No big deal, Zebra was an entraining Bozo...

    take care my brother, the fix is in

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    @666LES

     Enlighten me, then who is it? Every phrase identical, ridiculous ZEBRA type of thread, and commentary , damn near word for word...

    No big deal, Zebra was an entraining Bozo...

    take care my brother, the fix is in

    an_roll_laugh 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2022 - 2:31 PM ET #12

    Lookung up at the tote board:

    ZK as the OP is 5-2 currently. Sports Network may move the odds to 8-5 or lower is my guess after his action.

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    Lookung up at the tote board:

    ZK as the OP is 5-2 currently. Sports Network may move the odds to 8-5 or lower is my guess after his action.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2022 - 3:26 PM ET #13

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     In the OP first line He uses 2 words of 3&4 syllables and spelled correctly.

    Near the end of the Rant the OP uses a phrase 'right psyche' and although it would be incorrect grammar/context,it is soooo close to being so that Zebra's thumb would never make 2 swipes at the idea and come this close.

    I'll agree...at the end (basebal) is a giveaway

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    @sports_Network

     In the OP first line He uses 2 words of 3&4 syllables and spelled correctly.

    Near the end of the Rant the OP uses a phrase 'right psyche' and although it would be incorrect grammar/context,it is soooo close to being so that Zebra's thumb would never make 2 swipes at the idea and come this close.

    I'll agree...at the end (basebal) is a giveaway

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2022 - 4:32 AM ET #14

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     Guidelines. In the realm of baseball, an "grown-up" is viewed as somebody who is something like 13 years old. You ought to likewise realize that BBCOR certificate is the ongoing standard utilized while making grown-up (13 years and more seasoned) homerun sticks.https://hobbybaseball.com/bbcor-vs-usssa/

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     Guidelines. In the realm of baseball, an "grown-up" is viewed as somebody who is something like 13 years old. You ought to likewise realize that BBCOR certificate is the ongoing standard utilized while making grown-up (13 years and more seasoned) homerun sticks.https://hobbybaseball.com/bbcor-vs-usssa/

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2022 - 2:01 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by zanewiller:

    @zanewiller  Guidelines. In the realm of baseball, an "grown-up" is viewed as somebody who is something like 13 years old. You ought to likewise realize that BBCOR certificate is the ongoing standard utilized while making grown-up (13 years and more seasoned) homerun sticks.https://hobbybaseball.com/bbcor-vs-usssa/

    So you're trying to pass yourself off as the writer of this link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanewiller:

    @zanewiller  Guidelines. In the realm of baseball, an "grown-up" is viewed as somebody who is something like 13 years old. You ought to likewise realize that BBCOR certificate is the ongoing standard utilized while making grown-up (13 years and more seasoned) homerun sticks.https://hobbybaseball.com/bbcor-vs-usssa/

    So you're trying to pass yourself off as the writer of this link?

    an_shake

     
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    Posted: Apr. 25, 2022 - 6:24 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Tellers would love paying people 2.13 on show bets on that 1-2 horse running at Monticello on a Wednesday afternoon.

    Actually yeah, given most betting is online they should eliminate breakage.  On-track, maybe they can round up or down to the nearest zero.  Free programs and/or pps should be the norm too.  Some tracks have like 24% WPS takeouts which is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_The_Narc:

    Tellers would love paying people 2.13 on show bets on that 1-2 horse running at Monticello on a Wednesday afternoon.

    Actually yeah, given most betting is online they should eliminate breakage.  On-track, maybe they can round up or down to the nearest zero.  Free programs and/or pps should be the norm too.  Some tracks have like 24% WPS takeouts which is ridiculous.

     
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    Posted: May. 16, 2022 - 4:57 AM ET #17

    Thank you very much

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    Thank you very much

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2022 - 6:20 AM ET #18

    @zanewiller surprised  AKA:ZebraKiller surprised

    Are you now stating that you are the real-life Mr Zane Willer?  Owner/Operator/CEO: hobbybaseball.com

    Is that your photo on the front page of the website? By which you are now touting, Designed for Little League's (8-13)

    congratulations, your contribution is an award winning performance......

     

    Imagination is more important than knowledge....Knowledge is limited...Imagination encircles the world.

    -Albert Einstein-

     

     

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    @zanewiller surprised  AKA:ZebraKiller surprised

    Are you now stating that you are the real-life Mr Zane Willer?  Owner/Operator/CEO: hobbybaseball.com

    Is that your photo on the front page of the website? By which you are now touting, Designed for Little League's (8-13)

    congratulations, your contribution is an award winning performance......

     

    Imagination is more important than knowledge....Knowledge is limited...Imagination encircles the world.

    -Albert Einstein-

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2022 - 9:09 AM ET #19

    play more sigma derbyan_light

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    play more sigma derbyan_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2022 - 9:51 AM ET #20

    Play/stay with same numbers at track and hope the rider doesn't fall off leaving....... Or if harness the cart doesn't get a flat tire!

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    Play/stay with same numbers at track and hope the rider doesn't fall off leaving....... Or if harness the cart doesn't get a flat tire!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2022 - 10:55 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    What does a show bet on Alabama pay?

     

    Ok you got me that is funny...I would bet Alabama comes in at least third in a heads up contest......what is the limit????bigsmile he'll I bet em to at least place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    What does a show bet on Alabama pay?

     

    Ok you got me that is funny...I would bet Alabama comes in at least third in a heads up contest......what is the limit????bigsmile he'll I bet em to at least place...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2022 - 11:10 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by zanewiller:

    Assuming I go out and wager fundamental quality at 2 to 5 to show like the last race a 2 dollar bet pays a dime. Each dollar I bet on eq pays 5 pennies. Assuming I go out and take alabama - 10 against nebraska 2 dollars pays 3.82. Why the exotics in horse racing don't pay what they do in different games? Each dollar I bet in nba or nfl or school football pays .91 pennies a dollar and the exotics in horse racing just compensation 5 pennies a dollar? How could I go out and wager 10 dollars on eq when it will pay 50 pennies, and in the event that I go out and wager on 10 dollars on alabama to beat nebraska it will pay 19.10? Why extraordinary wagers in horse racing don't pay what they do in the nba or nfl or school football? It is possible that it ought to get changed so every bet in horse racing pays no less than 91 pennies a dollar back or on the other hand on the off chance that I bet 110 dollars on alabama - 10 to beat nebraska, you should just win $1.10 pennies rather than a 100 dollars. Nobody in there right psyche would wager on horse racing when an outlandish bet in the nfl or nba or school football pays 10 fold the amount. All sports should pay a similar measure of cash as opposed to covering horse racing.

    Show pool is first second and third. And it is about the wages say someone is sure a horse will win so makes a safer wager it will come in top 3 . the entire handle for the race is addressed then split 3 ways.

    This is a sucker position part of the dirt and grimey action of horses. Because it can get ridiculous say you have 1,000 waged on any race at any time in the non winners of 1 234 ect. Class. And someone drops 10,000 online on the show pool for the favorite well chances are it just not that horses day and should bet the field against it to show.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanewiller:

    Assuming I go out and wager fundamental quality at 2 to 5 to show like the last race a 2 dollar bet pays a dime. Each dollar I bet on eq pays 5 pennies. Assuming I go out and take alabama - 10 against nebraska 2 dollars pays 3.82. Why the exotics in horse racing don't pay what they do in different games? Each dollar I bet in nba or nfl or school football pays .91 pennies a dollar and the exotics in horse racing just compensation 5 pennies a dollar? How could I go out and wager 10 dollars on eq when it will pay 50 pennies, and in the event that I go out and wager on 10 dollars on alabama to beat nebraska it will pay 19.10? Why extraordinary wagers in horse racing don't pay what they do in the nba or nfl or school football? It is possible that it ought to get changed so every bet in horse racing pays no less than 91 pennies a dollar back or on the other hand on the off chance that I bet 110 dollars on alabama - 10 to beat nebraska, you should just win $1.10 pennies rather than a 100 dollars. Nobody in there right psyche would wager on horse racing when an outlandish bet in the nfl or nba or school football pays 10 fold the amount. All sports should pay a similar measure of cash as opposed to covering horse racing.

    Show pool is first second and third. And it is about the wages say someone is sure a horse will win so makes a safer wager it will come in top 3 . the entire handle for the race is addressed then split 3 ways.

    This is a sucker position part of the dirt and grimey action of horses. Because it can get ridiculous say you have 1,000 waged on any race at any time in the non winners of 1 234 ect. Class. And someone drops 10,000 online on the show pool for the favorite well chances are it just not that horses day and should bet the field against it to show.....

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2022 - 1:31 PM ET #23

    Tracks make money. Every race. They deal with wagers take 10.  To 20 % of the entire pool... And as clean an odds as you find. Say you have 100 gamblers each put down 2.00 on the show pool show pool any avg day about 200 a race. Ok some outi out of the area throws 10000 to show on a horse against say half the betters 100 then the track loses money paying the bets at 5 cents on the dollar.... 

     

    So well if you run the odds of how many 1 to 10 horses and how many times these lop sided favs win anything you start to see a pattern exists.... The favorite well simply not his day....

    The show pool has desk epitomized more horses than a glue factory.pinch the tail in the gate and off they go.... Tracks are at times a very dirty business especially if the pool is worth more than ten horses in claimers

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    Tracks make money. Every race. They deal with wagers take 10.  To 20 % of the entire pool... And as clean an odds as you find. Say you have 100 gamblers each put down 2.00 on the show pool show pool any avg day about 200 a race. Ok some outi out of the area throws 10000 to show on a horse against say half the betters 100 then the track loses money paying the bets at 5 cents on the dollar.... 

     

    So well if you run the odds of how many 1 to 10 horses and how many times these lop sided favs win anything you start to see a pattern exists.... The favorite well simply not his day....

    The show pool has desk epitomized more horses than a glue factory.pinch the tail in the gate and off they go.... Tracks are at times a very dirty business especially if the pool is worth more than ten horses in claimers

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