The number of extremists in that area are not what people here think, nor do most people know the number of deaths on BOTH sides, we just get the headline "terrorists, extremists, Hamas" blah blah blah..
If Hamas just stopped firing rockets, Israel would leave them alone.
The number of extremists in that area are not what people here think, nor do most people know the number of deaths on BOTH sides, we just get the headline "terrorists, extremists, Hamas" blah blah blah..
The number of extremists in that area are not what people here think, nor do most people know the number of deaths on BOTH sides, we just get the headline "terrorists, extremists, Hamas" blah blah blah..
Wally. Were you in this group?
https://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/video-anti-israel-protesters-usa-biggest-terrorist-organization
Wally. Were you in this group?
https://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/video-anti-israel-protesters-usa-biggest-terrorist-organization
This is both an important inquiry and a dangerous approach at the same time. I firmly believe that you should always strive to understand the rationale and motivations for the actions of others. That gives you depth and perspective. However -- you shouldn't always give deference to the reasons for jihadist anger. Why? They will always find something to be angry about.
After 9/11, I told myself I was going to learn as much as I could about the Middle East, so I did. Took courses on it, read books, spoke with people who lived there, etc. etc.. The one thing that I am convinced of? Extremism is the problem no matter its stripe, and extremists will always find a pre-textual justification for their rage and condemnation of those who don't follow their extremist dogma.
Off top of your head---what all did you read?
This is both an important inquiry and a dangerous approach at the same time. I firmly believe that you should always strive to understand the rationale and motivations for the actions of others. That gives you depth and perspective. However -- you shouldn't always give deference to the reasons for jihadist anger. Why? They will always find something to be angry about.
After 9/11, I told myself I was going to learn as much as I could about the Middle East, so I did. Took courses on it, read books, spoke with people who lived there, etc. etc.. The one thing that I am convinced of? Extremism is the problem no matter its stripe, and extremists will always find a pre-textual justification for their rage and condemnation of those who don't follow their extremist dogma.
Off top of your head---what all did you read?
Off top of your head---what all did you read?
Oh man. Lots of different books, far too many to list. One of the better recent ones I read was "The Shia Revival" by Vali Nasr. Very helpful to put into context the rise of the Shia that has taken place on a geopolitical basis basically since the 1979 revolution. I'd highly recommend it to anyone. Very well written and insightful.
Off top of your head---what all did you read?
Oh man. Lots of different books, far too many to list. One of the better recent ones I read was "The Shia Revival" by Vali Nasr. Very helpful to put into context the rise of the Shia that has taken place on a geopolitical basis basically since the 1979 revolution. I'd highly recommend it to anyone. Very well written and insightful.
Oh man. Lots of different books, far too many to list. One of the better recent ones I read was "The Shia Revival" by Vali Nasr. Very helpful to put into context the rise of the Shia that has taken place on a geopolitical basis basically since the 1979 revolution. I'd highly recommend it to anyone. Very well written and insightful.
Heard of it---haven't read it--just wondered if you read any from religious perspective or all have been secular-based? A lot of good books on this area but some have a slant to them I have noticed. Which I guess is okay if you take it in context.
Oh man. Lots of different books, far too many to list. One of the better recent ones I read was "The Shia Revival" by Vali Nasr. Very helpful to put into context the rise of the Shia that has taken place on a geopolitical basis basically since the 1979 revolution. I'd highly recommend it to anyone. Very well written and insightful.
Heard of it---haven't read it--just wondered if you read any from religious perspective or all have been secular-based? A lot of good books on this area but some have a slant to them I have noticed. Which I guess is okay if you take it in context.
Wall, I dont' think answering the "Why" is so difficult.. It's not up to us in the Western World to figure out why radical Islam is so committed to the destruction of the West, as al Queda is, as Hamas is, as Hezbollah is, as Muslim Brotherhood is, etc. They all speak the same breath as to who the "Zionists" are, that is Israel, the U.S., and any other country that aspires to religious freedoms and tolerance.
So, the more important question is "What" do we do about it. This is a clash of civilizations at its most basic level. So, how do you stop radicals from firing rockets into neighboring countries, and from flying planes into tall buildings.
Wall, I dont' think answering the "Why" is so difficult.. It's not up to us in the Western World to figure out why radical Islam is so committed to the destruction of the West, as al Queda is, as Hamas is, as Hezbollah is, as Muslim Brotherhood is, etc. They all speak the same breath as to who the "Zionists" are, that is Israel, the U.S., and any other country that aspires to religious freedoms and tolerance.
So, the more important question is "What" do we do about it. This is a clash of civilizations at its most basic level. So, how do you stop radicals from firing rockets into neighboring countries, and from flying planes into tall buildings.
Heard of it---haven't read it--just wondered if you read any from religious perspective or all have been secular-based? A lot of good books on this area but some have a slant to them I have noticed. Which I guess is okay if you take it in context.
Ahhh... I didn't catch that slant in your initial inquiry. Yes, I have read a number that are both religious based and some that are secular based. Both are important pieces to the Middle East puzzle. You should check out that book I referenced earlier. Very easy read and very good historical context it gives for the current rise of the Shia power.
Heard of it---haven't read it--just wondered if you read any from religious perspective or all have been secular-based? A lot of good books on this area but some have a slant to them I have noticed. Which I guess is okay if you take it in context.
Ahhh... I didn't catch that slant in your initial inquiry. Yes, I have read a number that are both religious based and some that are secular based. Both are important pieces to the Middle East puzzle. You should check out that book I referenced earlier. Very easy read and very good historical context it gives for the current rise of the Shia power.
Ahhh... I didn't catch that slant in your initial inquiry. Yes, I have read a number that are both religious based and some that are secular based. Both are important pieces to the Middle East puzzle. You should check out that book I referenced earlier. Very easy read and very good historical context it gives for the current rise of the Shia power.
Ahhh... I didn't catch that slant in your initial inquiry. Yes, I have read a number that are both religious based and some that are secular based. Both are important pieces to the Middle East puzzle. You should check out that book I referenced earlier. Very easy read and very good historical context it gives for the current rise of the Shia power.
Ahhh... I didn't catch that slant in your initial inquiry. Yes, I have read a number that are both religious based and some that are secular based. Both are important pieces to the Middle East puzzle. You should check out that book I referenced earlier. Very easy read and very good historical context it gives for the current rise of the Shia power.
Will do. Agree about Ray Rice thing BTW...![]()
Ahhh... I didn't catch that slant in your initial inquiry. Yes, I have read a number that are both religious based and some that are secular based. Both are important pieces to the Middle East puzzle. You should check out that book I referenced earlier. Very easy read and very good historical context it gives for the current rise of the Shia power.
Will do. Agree about Ray Rice thing BTW...![]()
I don't follow? Is this sarcasm lost in translation?
I don't follow? Is this sarcasm lost in translation?
Actually confused me too. Thought maybe this was old discussion. You mean he should not stay in and read so much? Mean he should read something different? I had no clue what you meant either. Pretty sure the last comment was sarcasm. ![]()
Actually confused me too. Thought maybe this was old discussion. You mean he should not stay in and read so much? Mean he should read something different? I had no clue what you meant either. Pretty sure the last comment was sarcasm. ![]()
To be honest, Kapono completely killed the vibe, I was looking for a simple 'Get a life' type of comment, After he had left a message about reading books on the Shia tribe and other nonsense about the Middle East. I assumed he would connect the dots and reply with a simple,
I got your point now. Sort of agree. But never a bad thing to try to learn about something from people that are experts on it. Which is why I was asking him if he read both secular and religious-based views on it. Nice to try to understand current events and put them in context. You can make better educated opinions then.
My question to you, I guess, is if you already have that mindset why even visit this type of thread? I mean you are not trying to be influenced or learn more on the subject, right? Or did I still miss your point?
To be honest, Kapono completely killed the vibe, I was looking for a simple 'Get a life' type of comment, After he had left a message about reading books on the Shia tribe and other nonsense about the Middle East. I assumed he would connect the dots and reply with a simple,
I got your point now. Sort of agree. But never a bad thing to try to learn about something from people that are experts on it. Which is why I was asking him if he read both secular and religious-based views on it. Nice to try to understand current events and put them in context. You can make better educated opinions then.
My question to you, I guess, is if you already have that mindset why even visit this type of thread? I mean you are not trying to be influenced or learn more on the subject, right? Or did I still miss your point?
I got your point now. Sort of agree. But never a bad thing to try to learn about something from people that are experts on it. Which is why I was asking him if he read both secular and religious-based views on it. Nice to try to understand current events and put them in context. You can make better educated opinions then.
My question to you, I guess, is if you already have that mindset why even visit this type of thread? I mean you are not trying to be influenced or learn more on the subject, right? Or did I still miss your point?
I got your point now. Sort of agree. But never a bad thing to try to learn about something from people that are experts on it. Which is why I was asking him if he read both secular and religious-based views on it. Nice to try to understand current events and put them in context. You can make better educated opinions then.
My question to you, I guess, is if you already have that mindset why even visit this type of thread? I mean you are not trying to be influenced or learn more on the subject, right? Or did I still miss your point?
Yes--For sure I agree with you on that. Actually surprised they didn't move it. ![]()
Yes--For sure I agree with you on that. Actually surprised they didn't move it. ![]()
Hamas was joyous when 9/11 happened. Gave candy out to their friends and families. They are evil. Anyone who says they are not the cause of the current conflict are just plain stupid.
Hamas was joyous when 9/11 happened. Gave candy out to their friends and families. They are evil. Anyone who says they are not the cause of the current conflict are just plain stupid.
Hamas was joyous when 9/11 happened. Gave candy out to their friends and families. They are evil. Anyone who says they are not the cause of the current conflict are just plain stupid.
Hamas was joyous when 9/11 happened. Gave candy out to their friends and families. They are evil. Anyone who says they are not the cause of the current conflict are just plain stupid.
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