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    Has anyone been to Cuba?

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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2017 - 8:57 PM ET #1

    Leaving  next month.

    Want to see it before it becomes to American.

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Leaving  next month.

    Want to see it before it becomes to American.

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

    Back off Trump
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2017 - 9:05 PM ET #2

    Yeah, nice place to go.. 

    This place still has a communist regime that endorses other filthy regimes (i.e. Venezuela) .

    Do you even bother to read the news before making plans to your destination.  


    Trump has every reason to revoke "the concessions" offered by the O'bama Administration.

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    Yeah, nice place to go.. 

    This place still has a communist regime that endorses other filthy regimes (i.e. Venezuela) .

    Do you even bother to read the news before making plans to your destination.  


    Trump has every reason to revoke "the concessions" offered by the O'bama Administration.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2017 - 10:43 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Leaving  next month.

    Want to see it before it becomes to American.

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

    Back off Trump


    Know some people that went a number of months ago....I seriously questioned their choice of destinations.

    There are so many nice resort style places to go all over the globe ...( and I do not want to be rude, just pragmatic)...Why go to Cuba?

    They have invested in a few nice resorts to try and snag American dollars...That's it...After the fancy resort complex there is nothing for you to do that you would take for granted in any American city. (hard communist country no matter what Obama says))

    Get ready for noxious car fumes on every city block as they cannot afford to buy new cars....Ever been around cars with no catalytic converter from the 50's?

    The folks I talked to said it was OK ( what else would they say?)

    They would not go back..

    In my opinion... just a waste of time to go to Cuba..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Leaving  next month.

    Want to see it before it becomes to American.

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

    Back off Trump


    Know some people that went a number of months ago....I seriously questioned their choice of destinations.

    There are so many nice resort style places to go all over the globe ...( and I do not want to be rude, just pragmatic)...Why go to Cuba?

    They have invested in a few nice resorts to try and snag American dollars...That's it...After the fancy resort complex there is nothing for you to do that you would take for granted in any American city. (hard communist country no matter what Obama says))

    Get ready for noxious car fumes on every city block as they cannot afford to buy new cars....Ever been around cars with no catalytic converter from the 50's?

    The folks I talked to said it was OK ( what else would they say?)

    They would not go back..

    In my opinion... just a waste of time to go to Cuba..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2017 - 11:00 PM ET #4

    Food is crap, rooms are all crap, Havana is a dump, it's hot as chit, amenities mega crap.
    3 days you'll tap out.
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    Food is crap, rooms are all crap, Havana is a dump, it's hot as chit, amenities mega crap.
    3 days you'll tap out.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2017 - 11:02 PM ET #5

    I'd suggest scuba diving the reefs but all of the equipment is old expired rusty crap.
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    I'd suggest scuba diving the reefs but all of the equipment is old expired rusty crap.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2017 - 4:30 AM ET #6

    Cuba is a cesspool, those that have been their for a vacation, regardless of their nationality, 'never return for a second disappointment

    going to any country (especially Cuba) that is under a communist regime; for a vacation, a holiday, or just for a weekend of fun, would have to be considered a very bad decision....The Caribbean is loaded with five star accommodations, with some of the most scenic beaches in the world. Don't waste your time, or money on a garbage dump country...to each his own, hopefully you'll change your destination without regret...


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    Cuba is a cesspool, those that have been their for a vacation, regardless of their nationality, 'never return for a second disappointment

    going to any country (especially Cuba) that is under a communist regime; for a vacation, a holiday, or just for a weekend of fun, would have to be considered a very bad decision....The Caribbean is loaded with five star accommodations, with some of the most scenic beaches in the world. Don't waste your time, or money on a garbage dump country...to each his own, hopefully you'll change your destination without regret...


     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2017 - 4:46 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Leaving  next month.

    "Want to see it before it becomes to American"

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

    Back off Trump
    I think you're a bit delusional...especially if your es espanol is not affluent, or at least conversational,  keep in mind, Cuba looks 'cheap' but isn't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Leaving  next month.

    "Want to see it before it becomes to American"

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

    Back off Trump
    I think you're a bit delusional...especially if your es espanol is not affluent, or at least conversational,  keep in mind, Cuba looks 'cheap' but isn't...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2017 - 10:40 PM ET #8

    No normal relations till they turn over that Black Panther piece of crap

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    No normal relations till they turn over that Black Panther piece of crap

     Joanne Chesimard
     
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2017 - 11:46 PM ET #9



    I flushed a toilet donkey in overflight... does that count?
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    I flushed a toilet donkey in overflight... does that count?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2017 - 1:01 AM ET #10

    I'd pass. Some friends went and told me the people, including the authorities, were total @ssholes to them because they were American. They were racist to the black people in the group, which is funny because my buddy said some of the people being racist were as black as Wesley Snipes. He said the shook them down at their hotel and that his wife was able to save the two of them from the shake down because she's from Nicaragua and started speaking fluent spanish to them.
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    I'd pass. Some friends went and told me the people, including the authorities, were total @ssholes to them because they were American. They were racist to the black people in the group, which is funny because my buddy said some of the people being racist were as black as Wesley Snipes. He said the shook them down at their hotel and that his wife was able to save the two of them from the shake down because she's from Nicaragua and started speaking fluent spanish to them.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2017 - 10:27 AM ET #11

    What about your English?
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    What about your English?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2017 - 4:13 PM ET #12

    Dully noted.

    Well be back with an honest recap.
     
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    Dully noted.

    Well be back with an honest recap.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2017 - 6:01 PM ET #13

    United Nations - The World Health Organization, WHO, has certified that Cuba has officially become the first country in the world to eliminate the transmission of HIV/AIDS and syphilis from mother to child. Cuba’s success is a step in the right direction to reduce the global threat of HIV and AIDS called for by the sustainable development goals. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKS01RV-jRo
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    United Nations - The World Health Organization, WHO, has certified that Cuba has officially become the first country in the world to eliminate the transmission of HIV/AIDS and syphilis from mother to child. Cuba’s success is a step in the right direction to reduce the global threat of HIV and AIDS called for by the sustainable development goals. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKS01RV-jRo
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    United Nations - The World Health Organization, WHO, has certified that Cuba has officially become the first country in the world to eliminate the transmission of HIV/AIDS and syphilis from mother to child. Cuba’s success is a step in the right direction to reduce the global threat of HIV and AIDS called for by the sustainable development goals. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKS01RV-jRo

    Not sure why you are mentioning this?  Is this a reason to visit?

    It is not total elimination obviously. They had 2 cases of HIV and 5 of syphilis transmitted in 2013.  So it is just a small amount. But Cuba has very few HIV cases to transmit to start with. And nowhere have I seen what the number is that they 'redused' from?

    As one guy said: "Eliminate" in what way? As the article points out it is a numbers game and the treatment itself has been around since it was developed in the US more that 15 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    United Nations - The World Health Organization, WHO, has certified that Cuba has officially become the first country in the world to eliminate the transmission of HIV/AIDS and syphilis from mother to child. Cuba’s success is a step in the right direction to reduce the global threat of HIV and AIDS called for by the sustainable development goals. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKS01RV-jRo

    Not sure why you are mentioning this?  Is this a reason to visit?

    It is not total elimination obviously. They had 2 cases of HIV and 5 of syphilis transmitted in 2013.  So it is just a small amount. But Cuba has very few HIV cases to transmit to start with. And nowhere have I seen what the number is that they 'redused' from?

    As one guy said: "Eliminate" in what way? As the article points out it is a numbers game and the treatment itself has been around since it was developed in the US more that 15 years ago.
     
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    Quote from another:

    I am a general pediatrician in the US. This therapy to prevent mother to child transmission in the US has been used for the last 20+ years. It is offered to all HIV infected mothers who seek prenatal care and to their babies. It is available to all mothers who are pregnant and all infants, no matter what. All woman and babies can get medical care and medical insurance in the US if they seek it, no matter what their financial status is. Medicaid (government insurance) is free and available if someone is pregnant and cannot afford insurance. 

    In 2010, the last year I could find data, the US had 3,999,386 births in the US. That year, there were 162 children that were infected with HIV by their mothers at the time of birth. That is an infection rate of 0.00001%, if I did my math correctly. Almost zero. 

    BUT IT IS EXACTLY 162 CASES TOO MANY!

    In the cases I have taken care of, and the mother CHOSE NOT TO get parental care, all those babies STILL DID NOT get infected. The treatment regimen -- which is prenatal meds for the mom and after birth medications for the baby -- works well enough if only given to the baby after birth. 

    It must be stressed that the mothers did not get prenatal care BY CHOICE. It is available. They can get it. But their priorities, sadly, lie elsewhere. 

    I wonder if the date from WHO/Cuba include all the babies born out of hospitals and without any prenatal care there. 

    The US is pretty damn good. Not perfect, but the US will never measure up when utopia, perfection and more importantly, a larger political agenda, is the real goal.


    • BTW, I have not seen a newborn in hospital in the US in the last 20+ years whose mother did not have an HIV test done during pregnancy. The only newborns I see with out a maternal HIV test done is a mother who choses not to get prenatal care.

       This table is enlightening. You do not even see children on the table as they are statistically insignificant. But every case is a tragedy. EVERY CASE. And preventable. And the care is available, here in the US.
      https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/surveillance/incidence.html


      And here is the generic cost of the drug in the US. $60 per bottle. Not too expensive. And readily available.
      https://www.drugpriceinfo.com/Retrovir-prices

      The population of Cuba is only slightly larger than that of New York City. In the three decades of the global AIDS epidemic, 78,763 New Yorkers have died of AIDS. Only 2,364 Cubans have.


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    Quote from another:

    I am a general pediatrician in the US. This therapy to prevent mother to child transmission in the US has been used for the last 20+ years. It is offered to all HIV infected mothers who seek prenatal care and to their babies. It is available to all mothers who are pregnant and all infants, no matter what. All woman and babies can get medical care and medical insurance in the US if they seek it, no matter what their financial status is. Medicaid (government insurance) is free and available if someone is pregnant and cannot afford insurance. 

    In 2010, the last year I could find data, the US had 3,999,386 births in the US. That year, there were 162 children that were infected with HIV by their mothers at the time of birth. That is an infection rate of 0.00001%, if I did my math correctly. Almost zero. 

    BUT IT IS EXACTLY 162 CASES TOO MANY!

    In the cases I have taken care of, and the mother CHOSE NOT TO get parental care, all those babies STILL DID NOT get infected. The treatment regimen -- which is prenatal meds for the mom and after birth medications for the baby -- works well enough if only given to the baby after birth. 

    It must be stressed that the mothers did not get prenatal care BY CHOICE. It is available. They can get it. But their priorities, sadly, lie elsewhere. 

    I wonder if the date from WHO/Cuba include all the babies born out of hospitals and without any prenatal care there. 

    The US is pretty damn good. Not perfect, but the US will never measure up when utopia, perfection and more importantly, a larger political agenda, is the real goal.


    • BTW, I have not seen a newborn in hospital in the US in the last 20+ years whose mother did not have an HIV test done during pregnancy. The only newborns I see with out a maternal HIV test done is a mother who choses not to get prenatal care.

       This table is enlightening. You do not even see children on the table as they are statistically insignificant. But every case is a tragedy. EVERY CASE. And preventable. And the care is available, here in the US.
      https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/surveillance/incidence.html


      And here is the generic cost of the drug in the US. $60 per bottle. Not too expensive. And readily available.
      https://www.drugpriceinfo.com/Retrovir-prices

      The population of Cuba is only slightly larger than that of New York City. In the three decades of the global AIDS epidemic, 78,763 New Yorkers have died of AIDS. Only 2,364 Cubans have.


     
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    But not to take anything away from reducing cases.  Was just amazed to me when this came out a couple of years back.  It just seemed propagandish. But of course if you say that it looks as if you are belittling a great achievement by a fantastic socialist healthcare system. So I dunno. Just was a weird article to me. With no real numbers or reasoning behind it. Maybe quarantining measures and mandatory exams for sure have something to do with it. And for sure good for them on that. 
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    But not to take anything away from reducing cases.  Was just amazed to me when this came out a couple of years back.  It just seemed propagandish. But of course if you say that it looks as if you are belittling a great achievement by a fantastic socialist healthcare system. So I dunno. Just was a weird article to me. With no real numbers or reasoning behind it. Maybe quarantining measures and mandatory exams for sure have something to do with it. And for sure good for them on that. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2017 - 8:21 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Leaving  next month.

    Want to see it before it becomes to American.

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

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    To answer the original question here.  Yes, I have been maybe 7 or 8 times. Work took me to some out of the way places and this was one.  It is what you expect if you stay in the touristy areas. But there are some sketchy areas as well. But I found good food and friendly folks. There are a couple of museums and art things to see/do.  Also, some historical stuff. And there are always the beaches. 
    The time of year you are going is risky for bad weather. I was there during a hurricane once. But hot and humid any time of year. 
    But if it are even considering it, I assume you have a good idea of what to expect. Hopefully, you have talked to friends that have been.  I see some of the guys on here have commented on some of the things to expect.  But for sure it is not Florida. You can expect a little culture shock. But that is a lot of places outside USA. 
    Good luck to you!  And report back. Maybe a lot has changed since I was last there. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetdrm:

    Leaving  next month.

    Want to see it before it becomes to American.

    Should be fun. Spending a few days in Havana, and the rest on a beach at a cheap all-inclusive.

    Back off Trump
    To answer the original question here.  Yes, I have been maybe 7 or 8 times. Work took me to some out of the way places and this was one.  It is what you expect if you stay in the touristy areas. But there are some sketchy areas as well. But I found good food and friendly folks. There are a couple of museums and art things to see/do.  Also, some historical stuff. And there are always the beaches. 
    The time of year you are going is risky for bad weather. I was there during a hurricane once. But hot and humid any time of year. 
    But if it are even considering it, I assume you have a good idea of what to expect. Hopefully, you have talked to friends that have been.  I see some of the guys on here have commented on some of the things to expect.  But for sure it is not Florida. You can expect a little culture shock. But that is a lot of places outside USA. 
    Good luck to you!  And report back. Maybe a lot has changed since I was last there. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2017 - 9:02 PM ET #18

    Thank you Raider. Some good food for thought.

    We have done our share of research,but without ever being there one can only hope.right? It is my wifes dream to go there.

    While vacationing we donate school supplies to children in some poorer parts of Mexico  and will do the same in Cuba

    Yes, weather is always a gamble just like any other spot in the Caribbean.

    Your  job sounds very  interesting and rewarding, 

    Thanks for dropping by
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    Thank you Raider. Some good food for thought.

    We have done our share of research,but without ever being there one can only hope.right? It is my wifes dream to go there.

    While vacationing we donate school supplies to children in some poorer parts of Mexico  and will do the same in Cuba

    Yes, weather is always a gamble just like any other spot in the Caribbean.

    Your  job sounds very  interesting and rewarding, 

    Thanks for dropping by
     
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    Posted: Jul. 30, 2017 - 11:23 PM ET #19

    Plan on eating lots of pork bcause that's all their is to eat there.
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    Plan on eating lots of pork bcause that's all their is to eat there.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2017 - 7:54 PM ET #20

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