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#26
Quote Originally Posted by joepa510:
george bush
george bush
Joe Paterno's legacy 
We Are Penn State !
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Good thing Bush is NOT Pres. or we would be invading N korea
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#28
Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:
I think we can rewrite that last portion and just switch the US and China. It works both ways. China is way too smart to back N Korea. Getting in a war with the US would be ignorant, something China isnt. Even if they "won" the war, their country would be destroyed.
Nobody that has something to lose wants to go to war with the USA. 
The US is way too smart to preemptively attack N Korea and force China to back their allies. Getting in a war with China would be ignorant, something the US isn't. Even if we "won" the war, our country would be destroyed.
Nobody that has something to lose wants to go to war with China.
50 years ago we might have been able to swing it, but the historically militaristic state has some money now.
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#29
Quote Originally Posted by -29-:
Joe Paterno's legacy
We Are Penn State !
Wow....
bringing out the cheap shots and low blows that have nothing do with the topic...
seems pretty desperate...
I take it that the two words and one emoticon he posted must have really upset you to the point of having to resort to that...
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#33
All i know is Bush atleast wouldnt let people mess with us.. 9/11 happened and he did the best he could to ge the right people.. The details can be argued. I get that..bin laden and sadaam were considered threats.. I appreciate that he tried to make the worls a better place..
Now the question is willl Obama step up (if this an international terrorist).. Im not talking about a fill scale war.. But he better damn well flex his muscle to protect the citizens of the US and make sure something like this doesnt happen again (or atleast another 12 years).
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#34
I'm thinking attacking North Korea is not an option. Seoul is within range of the North Korean M-1978 KOKSAN 170 millimeter self-propelled gun and the MRL240 M-1985 rocket launcher. Given the population and density of Seoul, it would be problematic if they started shooting ... remember ... these need not be accurate ... 60,000/70,000 South Koreans will die from just these two weapon systems alone in the first day. So any war with the Korean Hitler would need a green light from our South Korean brothers. This war should not be fought, imo. The casualties will be in the crazy range ... not worth it.
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#35
Quote Originally Posted by woodsy5822:
All i know is Bush atleast wouldnt let people mess with us.. 9/11 happened and he did the best he could to ge the right people.. The details can be argued. I get that..bin laden and sadaam were considered threats.. I appreciate that he tried to make the worls a better place..
I'm not a huge Bush fan, but I've grown to feel almost obligated to stick up for him because of this very reason. His presidency was really tough. Probably, the toughest 8 years any American president faced. He obviously made mistakes, but as an American, seeing no real terrorist attacks on the US after 9/11, I look at that as a huge success, one which he is given no credit for by the Monday morning quaterbacks who criticize everything he did.
The way he was vilified by the media was despicable. The fact that the majority of Americans can't separate fact from propaganda is really scary. All it takes is revisiting the name "Cindy Sheehan" to prove this point. There are many other examples I could point to.
To anyone with a open mind, (I've found there aren't many in the Politics Forum on this site, maybe the GD forum will be a bit better) I'd encourage you to read his "autobiography" Decision Points. The writing style is atrocious, but it does at least let the man defend himself and his actions. My takeaway (which is different than the image he attempts to project) was that he was unfortunately, one of the more under-qualified presidents we've had, in probably the most challenging time the country has had for a president. But, his intent was good, and for that, I respect him.
I think (and hope) over time, his legacy will improve a bit. I think a big step towards that will be the next Republican president we have. There is no argument that the media in this country is liberally biased, and pushes a lot of agendas/creates biases in people's mind. Throwing in the "social media" aspect which Bush was the first Republican president to ever have to face, the man never stood a chance. For better (or worse) the next Republican president will provide a new target for that media bias/hatred, and the average American will forget just "how bad Bush was" in the context of the new target
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#36
The GWB Presidency was so horribly corrupt, and the American people so painfully disgusted, that you might never see another Republican President in your lifetime. How bad was it, you ask? It was so bad, the American people elected the first Black President, and then re-elected him. Now, that's bad.
Those are the stone cold facts.
~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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#37
Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:
The GWB Presidency was so horribly corrupt, and the American people so painfully disgusted, that you might never see another Republican President in your lifetime. How bad was it, you ask? It was so bad, the American people elected the first Black President, and then re-elected him. Now, that's bad.
Those are the stone cold facts.
The GWB Presidency was so horribly corrupt, and the American people so painfully disgusted, that you might never see another Republican President in your lifetime. How bad was it, you ask? It was so bad, the American people elected the first Black President, and then re-elected him. Now, that's bad.
Those are the stone cold facts.
Ok, fair enough, although my post was more directed towards those who might have an open mind, not retreads from the politics forum
Keep clinging to your "stone cold facts" and your precious metals while you are at. I'm sure that stubborn and biased mindset will continue to serve you well.
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#39
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
why does that no surprise me. You guys are from the same tool bag.
Actually showtime ran a series produced by Stone called the "Untold History of the United States" which covers a lot of this. Excellent and can be found on YouTube.
I have a great respect for him after watching it.
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#40
Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:
Gimme me a break...please. I'm not a huge Bush fan, but I've grown to feel almost obligated to stick up for him because of this very reason. His presidency was really tough. Probably, the toughest 8 years any American president faced. He obviously made mistakes, but as an American, seeing no real terrorist attacks on the US after 9/11, I look at that as a huge success, one which he is given no credit for by the Monday morning quaterbacks who criticize everything he did.
The way he was vilified by the media was despicable. The fact that the majority of Americans can't separate fact from propaganda is really scary. All it takes is revisiting the name "Cindy Sheehan" to prove this point. There are many other examples I could point to.
To anyone with a open mind, (I've found there aren't many in the Politics Forum on this site, maybe the GD forum will be a bit better) I'd encourage you to read his "autobiography" Decision Points. The writing style is atrocious, but it does at least let the man defend himself and his actions. My takeaway (which is different than the image he attempts to project) was that he was unfortunately, one of the more under-qualified presidents we've had, in probably the most challenging time the country has had for a president. But, his intent was good, and for that, I respect him.
I think (and hope) over time, his legacy will improve a bit. I think a big step towards that will be the next Republican president we have. There is no argument that the media in this country is liberally biased, and pushes a lot of agendas/creates biases in people's mind. Throwing in the "social media" aspect which Bush was the first Republican president to ever have to face, the man never stood a chance. For better (or worse) the next Republican president will provide a new target for that media bias/hatred, and the average American will forget just "how bad Bush was" in the context of the new target
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#41
Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:
The GWB Presidency was so horribly corrupt, and the American people so painfully disgusted, that you might never see another Republican President in your lifetime. How bad was it, you ask? It was so bad, the American people elected the first Black President, and then re-elected him. Now, that's bad.
Those are the stone cold facts.
The GWB Presidency was so horribly corrupt, and the American people so painfully disgusted, that you might never see another Republican President in your lifetime. How bad was it, you ask? It was so bad, the American people elected the first Black President, and then re-elected him. Now, that's bad.
Those are the stone cold facts.
the only facts in that statement is the first black president elected and then re elected.. The rest of that statment is all opinion..
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#43
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
I'd put Cheney first by a significant margin.
Not only did he orchestrate much of the war effort, he allowed his corrupt cronies to profit handsomely from it through Haliburton, who eventually moved their headquarters from the US to Dubai
Are you aware that Obama gave Haliburtin a $586 million contract?
Almost $40 billion in government contracts to KBR, a spinoff of Haliburton.
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#44
Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:
To a lib, that is "stone cold facts."
His post seemed to indicate that purr old Georgie's rough 8 years was dictated by circumstances and chance rather than his ineptness, and chances are his presidency and elections will be captioned after a movie title, dumb & dumber comes to mind.re: Was not Nell a porker, not that there is any thing wrong with that.To a lib, that is "stone cold facts."
And Biscuiteater's comeback to Wake's post wasn't any better:
Gimme me a break...please.
Although Gimme a Break isn't a good comeback it was probably the greatest TV show ever. That Nell Carter was HOT! 
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#45
Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:
Go back to the politics forum. If you have not figured it out yet lib/conservative arguments just go in circles and thats the place for them.I'm not a huge Bush fan, but I've grown to feel almost obligated to stick up for him because of this very reason. His presidency was really tough. Probably, the toughest 8 years any American president faced. He obviously made mistakes, but as an American, seeing no real terrorist attacks on the US after 9/11, I look at that as a huge success, one which he is given no credit for by the Monday morning quaterbacks who criticize everything he did.
The way he was vilified by the media was despicable. The fact that the majority of Americans can't separate fact from propaganda is really scary. All it takes is revisiting the name "Cindy Sheehan" to prove this point. There are many other examples I could point to.
To anyone with a open mind, (I've found there aren't many in the Politics Forum on this site, maybe the GD forum will be a bit better) I'd encourage you to read his "autobiography" Decision Points. The writing style is atrocious, but it does at least let the man defend himself and his actions. My takeaway (which is different than the image he attempts to project) was that he was unfortunately, one of the more under-qualified presidents we've had, in probably the most challenging time the country has had for a president. But, his intent was good, and for that, I respect him.
I think (and hope) over time, his legacy will improve a bit. I think a big step towards that will be the next Republican president we have. There is no argument that the media in this country is liberally biased, and pushes a lot of agendas/creates biases in people's mind. Throwing in the "social media" aspect which Bush was the first Republican president to ever have to face, the man never stood a chance. For better (or worse) the next Republican president will provide a new target for that media bias/hatred, and the average American will forget just "how bad Bush was" in the context of the new target
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#46
Quote Originally Posted by Wake2002:
I'm not a huge Bush fan, but I've grown to feel almost obligated to stick up for him because of this very reason. His presidency was really tough. Probably, the toughest 8 years any American president faced. He obviously made mistakes, but as an American, seeing no real terrorist attacks on the US after 9/11, I look at that as a huge success, one which he is given no credit for by the Monday morning quaterbacks who criticize everything he did.
The way he was vilified by the media was despicable. The fact that the majority of Americans can't separate fact from propaganda is really scary. All it takes is revisiting the name "Cindy Sheehan" to prove this point. There are many other examples I could point to.
To anyone with a open mind, (I've found there aren't many in the Politics Forum on this site, maybe the GD forum will be a bit better) I'd encourage you to read his "autobiography" Decision Points. The writing style is atrocious, but it does at least let the man defend himself and his actions. My takeaway (which is different than the image he attempts to project) was that he was unfortunately, one of the more under-qualified presidents we've had, in probably the most challenging time the country has had for a president. But, his intent was good, and for that, I respect him.
I think (and hope) over time, his legacy will improve a bit. I think a big step towards that will be the next Republican president we have. There is no argument that the media in this country is liberally biased, and pushes a lot of agendas/creates biases in people's mind. Throwing in the "social media" aspect which Bush was the first Republican president to ever have to face, the man never stood a chance. For better (or worse) the next Republican president will provide a new target for that media bias/hatred, and the average American will forget just "how bad Bush was" in the context of the new target
So I guess the Clinton presidency an even greater 'than HUGE' success with regard to terrorism because there weren't any attacks throughout the entire administration.
Wow. You feel obligated to defend Bush. You keep carrying that shield. That's noble work you are doing...
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#47
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
I'd put Cheney first by a significant margin.
Not only did he orchestrate much of the war effort, he allowed his corrupt cronies to profit handsomely from it through Haliburton, who eventually moved their headquarters from the US to Dubai
Almost $40 billion in government contracts to KBR, a spinoff of Haliburton.
Are you aware of the millions of dollars that Obama has approved to give Haliburton in contracts?
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#48
Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
So I guess the Clinton presidency an even greater 'than HUGE' success with regard to terrorism because there weren't any attacks throughout the entire administration.
Wow. You feel obligated to defend Bush. You keep carrying that shield. That's noble work you are doing...
Saudi Arabia, Tanzania, Kenya, The USS Cole, First World Trade Center Bombing
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