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    Aleppo went down.

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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 12:58 AM ET #1

    Russians just won't stop, neither will Assad. 

    What would be your call? 


    Click here: Obama administration on defense over fall of Aleppo | Fox News

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Russians just won't stop, neither will Assad. 

    What would be your call? 


    Click here: Obama administration on defense over fall of Aleppo | Fox News

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 1:14 AM ET #2

    Should have crossed that Red Line right after the first Chemical attack on Civilians . 
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    Should have crossed that Red Line right after the first Chemical attack on Civilians . 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Should have crossed that Red Line right after the first Chemical attack on Civilians . 

    Absolutely agree. Van. 

    Trump can and will hopefully call for a complete cease fire under the assumption that his relationship with Putin is what we hope for. Civilians are being slaughtered. Rebels fault? Imo yes. They need to stop throwing rocks at at tanks. 
    Allow Assad to establish control and take him out on another day.
    Bait and switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Should have crossed that Red Line right after the first Chemical attack on Civilians . 

    Absolutely agree. Van. 

    Trump can and will hopefully call for a complete cease fire under the assumption that his relationship with Putin is what we hope for. Civilians are being slaughtered. Rebels fault? Imo yes. They need to stop throwing rocks at at tanks. 
    Allow Assad to establish control and take him out on another day.
    Bait and switch.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 1:49 AM ET #4

    The only motivation for Putin in Syria far as I know is billions in arms debt owed by the Assad regime. There are zero natural resources in Syria that interest any country. 
    Russians can be excluded from Nato and placed under embargo eventually United States cannot engage Russia but we can drive them into economic disaster I believe.
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    The only motivation for Putin in Syria far as I know is billions in arms debt owed by the Assad regime. There are zero natural resources in Syria that interest any country. 
    Russians can be excluded from Nato and placed under embargo eventually United States cannot engage Russia but we can drive them into economic disaster I believe.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2016 - 2:24 AM ET #5

    Russia has the Ball now...not sure how its going to end. Those poor people ..
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    Russia has the Ball now...not sure how its going to end. Those poor people ..
     
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    Hopefully the end of that war begins. By the Time Trump takes office everyone is on board to destroying isis. We meddled in Syrian civil war long enough. Our objective should be to exterminate dash not fund AL qaidi to fight assad.
    Obama cutting military aid to Saudi Arabia and alquidi Arabian peninsula doesn't use our weapons against us.
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    Hopefully the end of that war begins. By the Time Trump takes office everyone is on board to destroying isis. We meddled in Syrian civil war long enough. Our objective should be to exterminate dash not fund AL qaidi to fight assad.
    Obama cutting military aid to Saudi Arabia and alquidi Arabian peninsula doesn't use our weapons against us.
     
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    you guys are both right. Isis really is priority. As Van says, those poor people. agree.
    All of it is reaching up to eventual wwII suffering for innocent civilians. 

    Nature, the Saudis refused to cooperate in the fight against terrorism and the cut was a good play. Accurate objective news is hard to find. 
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    you guys are both right. Isis really is priority. As Van says, those poor people. agree.
    All of it is reaching up to eventual wwII suffering for innocent civilians. 

    Nature, the Saudis refused to cooperate in the fight against terrorism and the cut was a good play. Accurate objective news is hard to find. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Russia has the Ball now...not sure how its going to end. Those poor people ..

    They really do. not a thing we can address other than engage them. Putin doesn't give a fu^k. He knows we will not, the man is ill. He's the wealthiest man in the world and some point we'll cut off his needs from trade/nato


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    Quote Originally Posted by VanDutch:

    Russia has the Ball now...not sure how its going to end. Those poor people ..

    They really do. not a thing we can address other than engage them. Putin doesn't give a fu^k. He knows we will not, the man is ill. He's the wealthiest man in the world and some point we'll cut off his needs from trade/nato


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    The only motivation for Putin in Syria far as I know is
    billions in arms debt owed by the Assad regime. There are zero natural resources in Syria that interest any country. Russians can be excluded from Nato and placed under embargo eventually United States cannot engage Russia but we can drive them into economic disaster I believe.


    It's not about natural resources in Syria. It's about running natural resources through Syria, in the form of natural gas. A pipeline going to Europe from Qatar would cut into Russia's market share and diminish their influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    The only motivation for Putin in Syria far as I know is
    billions in arms debt owed by the Assad regime. There are zero natural resources in Syria that interest any country. Russians can be excluded from Nato and placed under embargo eventually United States cannot engage Russia but we can drive them into economic disaster I believe.


    It's not about natural resources in Syria. It's about running natural resources through Syria, in the form of natural gas. A pipeline going to Europe from Qatar would cut into Russia's market share and diminish their influence.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2016 - 1:41 AM ET #10

    People ruin everything.
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    People ruin everything.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose_Reyes:



    It's not about natural resources in Syria. It's about running natural resources through Syria, in the form of natural gas. A pipeline going to Europe from Qatar would cut into Russia's market share and diminish their influence.

    I actually knew that but completely forgot. Good call jose. 
    Post an article if you have a good one that you like. I'd be interested to read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose_Reyes:



    It's not about natural resources in Syria. It's about running natural resources through Syria, in the form of natural gas. A pipeline going to Europe from Qatar would cut into Russia's market share and diminish their influence.

    I actually knew that but completely forgot. Good call jose. 
    Post an article if you have a good one that you like. I'd be interested to read it.
     
     
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    That is essentially their final goal, control of the region. ISIS is a direct threat to Russia & Iran, and they are taking matters into their hand. Its just a shame that innocent civilian lives are being lost....
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    That is essentially their final goal, control of the region. ISIS is a direct threat to Russia & Iran, and they are taking matters into their hand. Its just a shame that innocent civilian lives are being lost....
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