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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 3:53 PM ET #76

    cd,

    The Saudi's reserves is sour crude..I can give you a few links if you want.

    Pure, sweet crude is not what the Saudis have in reserves.
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    cd,

    The Saudi's reserves is sour crude..I can give you a few links if you want.

    Pure, sweet crude is not what the Saudis have in reserves.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 4:09 PM ET #77

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    cd,

    The Saudi's reserves is sour crude..I can give you a few links if you want.

    Pure, sweet crude is not what the Saudis have in reserves.

     

    so Saudis oil is of no use.  If there were shortages, then i could understand the rise in prices, but nowhere is there oil shortages.  So these price increases are just pure bs.  Were all getting taken to the cleaners, by whoever is doing it.   OPEC might be the blame for this but i also dont think the oil companies should be using this time to widen their profit margins, sorry but that is just wrong.  If they were selling anything but a resource that the world needs, then i would say make as much money as they want.  I know we disagree on this part, but i find it disgusting that they are making all these billions on resources the world needs.  When you break it down to its simpliest form, the oil of the world really belongs to every human on this planet and just because we didnt all go drill for it, that shouldnt give trillion dollar corporations the right to rape us.  I have always said that resources like electricity and oil should be "not for profit".   But if they are to be for profit, then am sorry but these resources should have caps on how much profit these crooks should be allowed to make off us.  Really how much friggin money do these people really need? Its sickening.

    Wallstreet, you sure your not one of these paper traders getting rich on all of us, lmfaoooooooooo.

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    cd,

    The Saudi's reserves is sour crude..I can give you a few links if you want.

    Pure, sweet crude is not what the Saudis have in reserves.

     

    so Saudis oil is of no use.  If there were shortages, then i could understand the rise in prices, but nowhere is there oil shortages.  So these price increases are just pure bs.  Were all getting taken to the cleaners, by whoever is doing it.   OPEC might be the blame for this but i also dont think the oil companies should be using this time to widen their profit margins, sorry but that is just wrong.  If they were selling anything but a resource that the world needs, then i would say make as much money as they want.  I know we disagree on this part, but i find it disgusting that they are making all these billions on resources the world needs.  When you break it down to its simpliest form, the oil of the world really belongs to every human on this planet and just because we didnt all go drill for it, that shouldnt give trillion dollar corporations the right to rape us.  I have always said that resources like electricity and oil should be "not for profit".   But if they are to be for profit, then am sorry but these resources should have caps on how much profit these crooks should be allowed to make off us.  Really how much friggin money do these people really need? Its sickening.

    Wallstreet, you sure your not one of these paper traders getting rich on all of us, lmfaoooooooooo.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 4:18 PM ET #78

    cd - we are all paper traders..no one has certificates, barrels of oil

    i bought corn and wheat a few months ago. i dont have bushels in my garage
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    When you break it down to its simpliest form, the oil of the world really belongs to every human on this planet and just because we didnt all go drill for it, that shouldnt give trillion dollar corporations the right to rape us.  I have always said that resources like electricity and oil should be "not for profit".  But if they are to be for profit, then am sorry but these resources should have caps on how much profit these crooks should be allowed to make off us.
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    if you cap prices/profits, companies will produce less or fire unneeded workers

    finders keepers...there's no oil in england. they import...we have oil here yet we import more than we produce. in france they run 80% nuclear power

    companies who build reactors wont do business in the US b/c it takes 2-3x longer to get something done due to regulation. not the energy company's fault...not your fault or my fault.
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    cd - we are all paper traders..no one has certificates, barrels of oil

    i bought corn and wheat a few months ago. i dont have bushels in my garage
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    When you break it down to its simpliest form, the oil of the world really belongs to every human on this planet and just because we didnt all go drill for it, that shouldnt give trillion dollar corporations the right to rape us.  I have always said that resources like electricity and oil should be "not for profit".  But if they are to be for profit, then am sorry but these resources should have caps on how much profit these crooks should be allowed to make off us.
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    if you cap prices/profits, companies will produce less or fire unneeded workers

    finders keepers...there's no oil in england. they import...we have oil here yet we import more than we produce. in france they run 80% nuclear power

    companies who build reactors wont do business in the US b/c it takes 2-3x longer to get something done due to regulation. not the energy company's fault...not your fault or my fault.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 4:22 PM ET #79

    Koaj,
     I hear what your saying, its just getting sickening to see this shit taking place everyday when there is no real reason for price increases.  Humans robbing other humans.  Honestly am really starting to lose faith in the whole human race, seems like everybody today just wants to be a friggin crook and fleece people.
     
     
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    Koaj,
     I hear what your saying, its just getting sickening to see this shit taking place everyday when there is no real reason for price increases.  Humans robbing other humans.  Honestly am really starting to lose faith in the whole human race, seems like everybody today just wants to be a friggin crook and fleece people.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #80

    cd,

    Of course they are..the paper traders see the US as a pathetic government using 3X the domestic production, thus reliant on OPEC for supply.

    What are we doing to stop the paper traders from profiting? Do we have an energy policy, are we increasing domestic supply, are we doing a thing to improve the situation, or are we filing lawsuits and wasting time harranging Exxon execs?

    Dont blame the paper traders, they are taking risk just like you or I could.

    Blame 30 yrs of laziness and our extreme consumption, thus having to buy from a drug dealer oligopoly in OPEC.  
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    cd,

    Of course they are..the paper traders see the US as a pathetic government using 3X the domestic production, thus reliant on OPEC for supply.

    What are we doing to stop the paper traders from profiting? Do we have an energy policy, are we increasing domestic supply, are we doing a thing to improve the situation, or are we filing lawsuits and wasting time harranging Exxon execs?

    Dont blame the paper traders, they are taking risk just like you or I could.

    Blame 30 yrs of laziness and our extreme consumption, thus having to buy from a drug dealer oligopoly in OPEC.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 5:10 PM ET #81

    WSC's , While I agree with some of what you say , I believe the blame game lies deeper than what you are projecting.
     
    I made a nice profit in the nasdaq run- up in the .com era.
    Also bought gold in 1997 when it was at 25-30 year lows and I continue to hold it.
    I see gold going much higher in the coming years but I know something is wrong here and have to put personal gain BEHIND the future of this country on my priority list.
    I don't know if you have children but I do.
    Their future is looking very bleak at the moment along with MOST other childrens'.
    Yes there will be much pain from the needed cure. To delay is just compounding the problem.
    We know the power of compounding know don't we?
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    WSC's , While I agree with some of what you say , I believe the blame game lies deeper than what you are projecting.
     
    I made a nice profit in the nasdaq run- up in the .com era.
    Also bought gold in 1997 when it was at 25-30 year lows and I continue to hold it.
    I see gold going much higher in the coming years but I know something is wrong here and have to put personal gain BEHIND the future of this country on my priority list.
    I don't know if you have children but I do.
    Their future is looking very bleak at the moment along with MOST other childrens'.
    Yes there will be much pain from the needed cure. To delay is just compounding the problem.
    We know the power of compounding know don't we?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 5:20 PM ET #82

    It cost me $115 to fill my tank up yesterday ($89 with 85 ethanol).
     
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    It cost me $115 to fill my tank up yesterday ($89 with 85 ethanol).
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 5:49 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    cd - we are all paper traders..no one has certificates, barrels of oil

    i bought corn and wheat a few months ago. i dont have bushels in my garage
    ---------
    When you break it down to its simpliest form, the oil of the world really belongs to every human on this planet and just because we didnt all go drill for it, that shouldnt give trillion dollar corporations the right to rape us.  I have always said that resources like electricity and oil should be "not for profit".  But if they are to be for profit, then am sorry but these resources should have caps on how much profit these crooks should be allowed to make off us.

    --------
    if you cap prices/profits, companies will produce less or fire unneeded workers

    finders keepers...there's no oil in england. they import...we have oil here yet we import more than we produce. in france they run 80% nuclear power

    companies who build reactors wont do business in the US b/c it takes 2-3x longer to get something done due to regulation. not the energy company's fault...not your fault or my fault.

    I was actually thinking about buying an actual barrel of oil. Ya know a sort of a novelty item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:

    cd - we are all paper traders..no one has certificates, barrels of oil

    i bought corn and wheat a few months ago. i dont have bushels in my garage
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    When you break it down to its simpliest form, the oil of the world really belongs to every human on this planet and just because we didnt all go drill for it, that shouldnt give trillion dollar corporations the right to rape us.  I have always said that resources like electricity and oil should be "not for profit".  But if they are to be for profit, then am sorry but these resources should have caps on how much profit these crooks should be allowed to make off us.

    --------
    if you cap prices/profits, companies will produce less or fire unneeded workers

    finders keepers...there's no oil in england. they import...we have oil here yet we import more than we produce. in france they run 80% nuclear power

    companies who build reactors wont do business in the US b/c it takes 2-3x longer to get something done due to regulation. not the energy company's fault...not your fault or my fault.

    I was actually thinking about buying an actual barrel of oil. Ya know a sort of a novelty item.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 5:53 PM ET #84

    Pointing directly at speculation among traders is not exactly correct gentlemen. There are longs and shorts on both sides of the tick, but the trend continues to move higher. Why? There's not enough oil....simple
    The Saudis tell us that the supply/demand is in balance - they are full of shit imo... Shorts are getting thoroughly pantsed now but in due time they'll be looking down on the long bagholders.
    Just consider that for a moment there is level investing on both sides of the barrel.
     
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    Pointing directly at speculation among traders is not exactly correct gentlemen. There are longs and shorts on both sides of the tick, but the trend continues to move higher. Why? There's not enough oil....simple
    The Saudis tell us that the supply/demand is in balance - they are full of shit imo... Shorts are getting thoroughly pantsed now but in due time they'll be looking down on the long bagholders.
    Just consider that for a moment there is level investing on both sides of the barrel.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 6:08 PM ET #85

    The Fed has been kicking around the idea of taxing short term oil trading at 80%, that would sure cripple traders for their massive profits right there.
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    The Fed has been kicking around the idea of taxing short term oil trading at 80%, that would sure cripple traders for their massive profits right there.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 6:12 PM ET #86

    The NYMEX needs to up the margin requirements on some of these contracts.

    They wont..they make money off the transactions but if you want the swings to slow, raise the margin requirements.


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    The NYMEX needs to up the margin requirements on some of these contracts.

    They wont..they make money off the transactions but if you want the swings to slow, raise the margin requirements.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 6:17 PM ET #87

    Wallstreet...a good idea but no way in hell. A market like this and you can leverage to 30%...even less with some houses as you know.

    Longs will be running for the exits and selling oranges by Halloween.

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    Wallstreet...a good idea but no way in hell. A market like this and you can leverage to 30%...even less with some houses as you know.

    Longs will be running for the exits and selling oranges by Halloween.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 6:20 PM ET #88

    rickey,

    I was a broker before the change for retail guys. The margin requirement used to be 30% for most any stock with a 50% initial..then they came in and moved everything up and also put the 25k daytrading rule in and the market slowed to a crawl.

    The NYMEX knows what they need to do for shaking out the excess..but they wont.

    I was reading on their site last night and most requirements are from 5-15% margin...that is unreal...and some houses can have ZERO requirements..


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    rickey,

    I was a broker before the change for retail guys. The margin requirement used to be 30% for most any stock with a 50% initial..then they came in and moved everything up and also put the 25k daytrading rule in and the market slowed to a crawl.

    The NYMEX knows what they need to do for shaking out the excess..but they wont.

    I was reading on their site last night and most requirements are from 5-15% margin...that is unreal...and some houses can have ZERO requirements..


     
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    Posted: Jun. 9, 2008 - 7:47 PM ET #89

    If gas stations arent running out of gas, then how can you say we have a supply shortage?  arent prices supposed to go up when there is a shortage with demand?  We have a supply and am sure demand has gone down some.  Oil has gone from the 90'2 to 140 a barrel in around 45 days, at that rate of rise the whole US economy is going to busted very soon.  People working minimum wage jobs will not be able to sustain these prices much longer.  I dont have kids but i truly feel sorry for all you guys who have kids, because they and their kids are in for some real pain.

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    If gas stations arent running out of gas, then how can you say we have a supply shortage?  arent prices supposed to go up when there is a shortage with demand?  We have a supply and am sure demand has gone down some.  Oil has gone from the 90'2 to 140 a barrel in around 45 days, at that rate of rise the whole US economy is going to busted very soon.  People working minimum wage jobs will not be able to sustain these prices much longer.  I dont have kids but i truly feel sorry for all you guys who have kids, because they and their kids are in for some real pain.

     
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    Bottom line............................noone really knows how much oil is left. People on the internet say, "You can't believe what's written on the internet"................really? Except what you have to say, right? No offense to the economic majors here on this site...............but how does anyone really know what the supply/demand issues for oil are right now? We know for certain demand has gone up............but we don't really know the other end of this.
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    Bottom line............................noone really knows how much oil is left. People on the internet say, "You can't believe what's written on the internet"................really? Except what you have to say, right? No offense to the economic majors here on this site...............but how does anyone really know what the supply/demand issues for oil are right now? We know for certain demand has gone up............but we don't really know the other end of this.
     
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    The other point to this... which a lot of people haven't thought about. There are already a lot of people who can't afford to buy the gas. I talked with an owner who owns a gas station on the borderline of Detroit. People walk in and throw him $2.00, $2.50, and $3.00. Sh#$... that doesn't even get you 1 full gallon of gas.

    ||scared.gif' border=0> I know... that's crazy. He told me... in about 15 months now... his sales have dropped dramatically. So if his sales have dropped... why is production on the rise? 2 years ago he was purchasing 4,000 gallons of gas every 3 days. Now he's only purchasing 2,000 gallons every 2.5 days. Do the math. It's not like he doesn't know how to run a business... it's people don't really have the money to pay for gas. So... how is production so high? I'm sure he isn't the only gas station struggling... I understand location is everything. But if you truly think about it... if 15% of gas stations like his are failing... or in a real struggling location... there wouldn't be a need FOR HIGH SUPPLY FOR HIGH DEMAND! So how is gas hitting close to $4.20 a gallon in some locations? Doesn't make sense.

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    The other point to this... which a lot of people haven't thought about. There are already a lot of people who can't afford to buy the gas. I talked with an owner who owns a gas station on the borderline of Detroit. People walk in and throw him $2.00, $2.50, and $3.00. Sh#$... that doesn't even get you 1 full gallon of gas.

    ||scared.gif' border=0> I know... that's crazy. He told me... in about 15 months now... his sales have dropped dramatically. So if his sales have dropped... why is production on the rise? 2 years ago he was purchasing 4,000 gallons of gas every 3 days. Now he's only purchasing 2,000 gallons every 2.5 days. Do the math. It's not like he doesn't know how to run a business... it's people don't really have the money to pay for gas. So... how is production so high? I'm sure he isn't the only gas station struggling... I understand location is everything. But if you truly think about it... if 15% of gas stations like his are failing... or in a real struggling location... there wouldn't be a need FOR HIGH SUPPLY FOR HIGH DEMAND! So how is gas hitting close to $4.20 a gallon in some locations? Doesn't make sense.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2008 - 10:22 AM ET #92

    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    If we were to tap into oil here in the United States tomorrow morning it would take 10 years to find its way into your gas tank.
    Drilling, pipes, transport, refinenment....etc. Forget it.
     
    China and India are the big straws in the oil big gulp cup....not the United States.

    Hence, why I said the problem of high gas prices today arose from decisions the US has made for the last 30 years. 

    If ANWR was drilled back in 1996, there would be a million more barrels of domestic crude on the market.  Tie that will a raise in fuel standards for cars back in 1996 and while gas prices would still be higher, there wouldn't be the price explosion over the last 2 years. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by searchwarrant:

    If we were to tap into oil here in the United States tomorrow morning it would take 10 years to find its way into your gas tank.
    Drilling, pipes, transport, refinenment....etc. Forget it.
     
    China and India are the big straws in the oil big gulp cup....not the United States.

    Hence, why I said the problem of high gas prices today arose from decisions the US has made for the last 30 years. 

    If ANWR was drilled back in 1996, there would be a million more barrels of domestic crude on the market.  Tie that will a raise in fuel standards for cars back in 1996 and while gas prices would still be higher, there wouldn't be the price explosion over the last 2 years. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2008 - 10:32 AM ET #93

    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

    It cost me $115 to fill my tank up yesterday ($89 with 85 ethanol).
     


    subsidizing farmers to grow ethanol has helped lead to the food inflation we have now

    we pay farmers hand over fist to grow corn for ethanol, not food. they've already reached their 2010 year limits and we just passed a bill last week to subsidize them more


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    Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:

    It cost me $115 to fill my tank up yesterday ($89 with 85 ethanol).
     


    subsidizing farmers to grow ethanol has helped lead to the food inflation we have now

    we pay farmers hand over fist to grow corn for ethanol, not food. they've already reached their 2010 year limits and we just passed a bill last week to subsidize them more


     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2008 - 12:20 PM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:



    subsidizing farmers to grow ethanol has helped lead to the food inflation we have now

    we pay farmers hand over fist to grow corn for ethanol, not food. they've already reached their 2010 year limits and we just passed a bill last week to subsidize them more





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    Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:



    subsidizing farmers to grow ethanol has helped lead to the food inflation we have now

    we pay farmers hand over fist to grow corn for ethanol, not food. they've already reached their 2010 year limits and we just passed a bill last week to subsidize them more





     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2008 - 12:21 PM ET #95

    A litre of gas went up to 132.9 yesterday here in Alberta. They should be giving this shit to us for free here
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    A litre of gas went up to 132.9 yesterday here in Alberta. They should be giving this shit to us for free here
     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2008 - 1:00 PM ET #96

     Ron Paul:

    Rising Energy Prices and the Falling Dollar
    "If the Fed continues with its bubble blowing policies of the past, the new commodities bubble will continue to grow, gas prices will continue to go up, as the value of your dollars go down. We will see an overinvestment in these commodities as solutions are desperately sought for a supply shortage, which is only part of the problem. Make no mistake, though, this is not the free market at work. Government manipulations have added levels of complication and unintended consequences to the marketplace."

    Click here for the full article:  https://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2008/tst060908.htm

    Yes, I cut and pasted this here because this is where the most eyes will see it.

    Not in the poltical forum. 

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     Ron Paul:

    Rising Energy Prices and the Falling Dollar
    "If the Fed continues with its bubble blowing policies of the past, the new commodities bubble will continue to grow, gas prices will continue to go up, as the value of your dollars go down. We will see an overinvestment in these commodities as solutions are desperately sought for a supply shortage, which is only part of the problem. Make no mistake, though, this is not the free market at work. Government manipulations have added levels of complication and unintended consequences to the marketplace."

    Click here for the full article:  https://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2008/tst060908.htm

    Yes, I cut and pasted this here because this is where the most eyes will see it.

    Not in the poltical forum. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 10, 2008 - 1:44 PM ET #97

    There's this guy I know of down in Venezuela named Chavez. He has a lot of oil. He despises our country. In fact he is a communist and is currently having an intimitate affair with another fellow named Fidel Castro.
    We could make him an offer that he couldn't possibly refuse.
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    There's this guy I know of down in Venezuela named Chavez. He has a lot of oil. He despises our country. In fact he is a communist and is currently having an intimitate affair with another fellow named Fidel Castro.
    We could make him an offer that he couldn't possibly refuse.
     
     
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