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    Why is BGSU a 6.5 pt dog at home?

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    BandosWB
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 2:43 PM ET #1

    I've spent too much time trying to figure this out.  So here is what I've found, please add what I may be missing.

    Preseason Connelly had this set at -11 for BG.  BGSU S+P was 60 (now 72), MTSU was 90 (now 86).  74% chance for BGSU to win.

    BGSU replaces coach, QB and many skill players, but returns 4/5 O-lineman.

    BGSU gets abused by Ohio State.  

    BGSU goes -3 in TO, but still outgains and wins vs ND  (right now SAG has them comparable to Kent st)

    MTSU abuses AL A+M (ranked 244 by SAG), then lets vandy and its woeful offense score 47 (in a weird lighting delayed game)

    The Raw Numbers are ugly for BGSU due to Ohio St game, and Sag has this somewhere between pk and MTSU -4.

    The "opener" of -1.5 seems more fanciful than real, as most books opened it at -5.5 or so for MTSU.  Since then bet to -6.5.

    I pre-set it at -3 BGSU, basically a pk'em on a neutral field.  But the line is now 10 on a neutral field.  In the long run MTSU might be better,I sure as heck don't know, but 10 pts better?  This discrepancy between my line and the actual line makes me look deep to find what I may have missed, as pro linemakers are pretty good at their jobs.

    I've read just about every piece of local news, and can't find anything to justify not taking the home dog here. (haven't played it yet, FYI)

    Anyone have a take on this game?
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    I've spent too much time trying to figure this out.  So here is what I've found, please add what I may be missing.

    Preseason Connelly had this set at -11 for BG.  BGSU S+P was 60 (now 72), MTSU was 90 (now 86).  74% chance for BGSU to win.

    BGSU replaces coach, QB and many skill players, but returns 4/5 O-lineman.

    BGSU gets abused by Ohio State.  

    BGSU goes -3 in TO, but still outgains and wins vs ND  (right now SAG has them comparable to Kent st)

    MTSU abuses AL A+M (ranked 244 by SAG), then lets vandy and its woeful offense score 47 (in a weird lighting delayed game)

    The Raw Numbers are ugly for BGSU due to Ohio St game, and Sag has this somewhere between pk and MTSU -4.

    The "opener" of -1.5 seems more fanciful than real, as most books opened it at -5.5 or so for MTSU.  Since then bet to -6.5.

    I pre-set it at -3 BGSU, basically a pk'em on a neutral field.  But the line is now 10 on a neutral field.  In the long run MTSU might be better,I sure as heck don't know, but 10 pts better?  This discrepancy between my line and the actual line makes me look deep to find what I may have missed, as pro linemakers are pretty good at their jobs.

    I've read just about every piece of local news, and can't find anything to justify not taking the home dog here. (haven't played it yet, FYI)

    Anyone have a take on this game?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 2:54 PM ET #2

    Middle Tennessee thoroughly outplayed Vandy (outgained them by +155 yards) but somehow managed to lose by 23 points last week

    MTSU QB Stockstill went off last week for 399 yards passing and figures to do so again against BG

    BG has been unimpressive so far under new coach Mike Jinks (doors blown off at Ohio St;  fortunate to win vs North Dakota (missed 2-pt conversion))

    I think all of this plays into the line

    That said, I am with you and with you relatively big on Bowling Green this Saturday

    BG is excellent value at this line; this is a top-15 play for me this week

    BG QB Knapke should deliver a very efficient day throwing on Saturday as BG begins to steady the ship going forward

    Good Luck



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    Middle Tennessee thoroughly outplayed Vandy (outgained them by +155 yards) but somehow managed to lose by 23 points last week

    MTSU QB Stockstill went off last week for 399 yards passing and figures to do so again against BG

    BG has been unimpressive so far under new coach Mike Jinks (doors blown off at Ohio St;  fortunate to win vs North Dakota (missed 2-pt conversion))

    I think all of this plays into the line

    That said, I am with you and with you relatively big on Bowling Green this Saturday

    BG is excellent value at this line; this is a top-15 play for me this week

    BG QB Knapke should deliver a very efficient day throwing on Saturday as BG begins to steady the ship going forward

    Good Luck



     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 3:58 PM ET #3

    BG will str8 up win at home! Ohio st destroy them but look at how well they look all around I can see Ohio st winning it all! Thou Alabama may something to say about that.
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    BG will str8 up win at home! Ohio st destroy them but look at how well they look all around I can see Ohio st winning it all! Thou Alabama may something to say about that.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 4:50 PM ET #4

    BGSU Suck, thats why :)
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    BGSU Suck, thats why :)
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 4:57 PM ET #5

    Thanks Wess. I saw your thread and read about the yardage difference. Then it made some level of sense. Just seems like huge overreaction to only two games.

    Hawaii- sure seems like some value on the money line.

    Ocswag- thanks for stopping by .
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    Thanks Wess. I saw your thread and read about the yardage difference. Then it made some level of sense. Just seems like huge overreaction to only two games.

    Hawaii- sure seems like some value on the money line.

    Ocswag- thanks for stopping by .
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 4:57 PM ET #6

    Thanks Wess. I saw your thread and read about the yardage difference. Then it made some level of sense. Just seems like huge overreaction to only two games.

    Hawaii- sure seems like some value on the money line.

    Ocswag- thanks for stopping by .
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    Thanks Wess. I saw your thread and read about the yardage difference. Then it made some level of sense. Just seems like huge overreaction to only two games.

    Hawaii- sure seems like some value on the money line.

    Ocswag- thanks for stopping by .
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 5:03 PM ET #7

    Respectfully on the other side and here is why. 

     These are two pass happy high octane offenses and Middle Tennessee clearly has the better QB. BG had a potent offense last year centered around a damned good QB who has graduated. This year's QB Knapke started off well in 2014, but just got worse as the year went on and lost his starting job in 2015. MT also potent offense centered around a wide open passing game and their QB is back. Last year the MT QB Stockstill passed for over 4000 yards with a 67% completion rate. He is tearing it up this year as well in the first two games.


    In the two games each has played this year I was impressed with how well MT played against Vandy and unimpressed with how Bowling Green played against FCS team North Dakota. The previously mentioned Sagarin rating would have Vandy beating North Dakota by 23 points.

    I don't think Bowling Green can match scores with this potent Middle Tennessee offense, but if you like still like Bowling Green I suggest you wait to place your bet because you can probably get your bet in after in crosses the key 7 number. The line jumped from an opening line of -1 Middle Tennessee up to -6.5 right away. 



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    Respectfully on the other side and here is why. 

     These are two pass happy high octane offenses and Middle Tennessee clearly has the better QB. BG had a potent offense last year centered around a damned good QB who has graduated. This year's QB Knapke started off well in 2014, but just got worse as the year went on and lost his starting job in 2015. MT also potent offense centered around a wide open passing game and their QB is back. Last year the MT QB Stockstill passed for over 4000 yards with a 67% completion rate. He is tearing it up this year as well in the first two games.


    In the two games each has played this year I was impressed with how well MT played against Vandy and unimpressed with how Bowling Green played against FCS team North Dakota. The previously mentioned Sagarin rating would have Vandy beating North Dakota by 23 points.

    I don't think Bowling Green can match scores with this potent Middle Tennessee offense, but if you like still like Bowling Green I suggest you wait to place your bet because you can probably get your bet in after in crosses the key 7 number. The line jumped from an opening line of -1 Middle Tennessee up to -6.5 right away. 



     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 7:16 PM ET #8

    Zud - thanks for the input.  I didn't get to see a single minute of either game - too much beach and .  And it is that line jump that is causing me pause.

    Given the lack of D played by both, and the pace both play at, I would seriously consider the over, and/or TT overs
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    Zud - thanks for the input.  I didn't get to see a single minute of either game - too much beach and .  And it is that line jump that is causing me pause.

    Given the lack of D played by both, and the pace both play at, I would seriously consider the over, and/or TT overs
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 7:25 PM ET #9

    Rickie James is probably best player in America nobody really talks about. This guy will likely flirt with 120+ catches this year. Stockstill is the coaches son so he has firm grip of the offense. I don't thing Bowling Green has the weapons to keep up with MTSU this year.
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    Rickie James is probably best player in America nobody really talks about. This guy will likely flirt with 120+ catches this year. Stockstill is the coaches son so he has firm grip of the offense. I don't thing Bowling Green has the weapons to keep up with MTSU this year.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 7:52 PM ET #10

    *richie james
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    *richie james
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2016 - 9:43 PM ET #11

    Tony Franklin has helped the offense a lot. Unfortunately the MT defense leaves. Lot to be desired. The over might be the best look.
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    Tony Franklin has helped the offense a lot. Unfortunately the MT defense leaves. Lot to be desired. The over might be the best look.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2016 - 4:42 PM ET #12

    mts looks good
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    mts looks good
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2016 - 8:00 PM ET #13

    Thanks for the info.  Avoided this landmine.

    FYI: This is actually how the forum works, if it works.
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    Thanks for the info.  Avoided this landmine.

    FYI: This is actually how the forum works, if it works.
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