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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2014 - 5:47 PM ET #1

    This game actually became a bit more interesting with all of the QB questions.  Most guys hate uncertainty, but most of the time that is the only place where you can find a little bit of value.

    A few thoughts on tonight's game:

    First the ASU side of things:

    1)  Home field is big for ASU under HC Graham. 11-3 straight up. 0-1 ATS as a home dog under Graham (loss to Oregon in 2012).

    2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football.  LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, BYU, K-State and ECU are all ranked below ASU.......granted aside from BYU all of these squads have losses, but despite the early season loss they are all ASU's superior.

    3) Wins over Weber State, @ New Mexico, and @ Colorado.  ASU rushed out to big leads over Weber and NM, and 17-0 vs CU in the first half.  Both CU and NM made 1st half rallies, but ASU was able to take 2 score leads into half time.  The defense yielded 200+ on the ground to NM and was shredded pretty good @ CU for 545 of total O, with 232 on the ground.

    4)  As everybody knows, QB Kelly is out for this one......second leading rusher on the team, and key guy when it comes to running the read option game.  With the run threat greatly minimized, it will be tough for TB Foster to get the quality looks.

    5) Phil Steele has the Devils as the most inexperienced team in the PAC 12, with a little over 55% of the lettermen returning from last year's squad.

    A few thoughts on UCLA:

    1) UCLA was everybody's pick to get into the playoff back in August. With 17 returning starters, 9 on O and 8 on D, talking heads will usually make a 10-3 team from the previous season a preseason darling.  The hype has died down a bit after lackluster showings, and the bandwagon is a bit lighter these days. What a difference a month makes.

    2) QB Hundley should be in there tonight. Not sure in what capacity though....the injury is to the non-throwing elbow.  Unless it is broken, is that really an injury to a QB?  If the hands are good, throwing arm is good, and the legs work, then what is the problem?  So, either there is more to this injury, or his pain threshold has been reached...either way, look for the gameplan to limit the contact. Quick throws, and sideline hunting......

    3)  UCLA is battle tested.  Wins @ UVA, @ Texas and at home against Memphis.  The Memphis game was a surprise at the time, but it was an obvious sandwich game vs a dog that is much improved over last season.  The Texas game was fairly impressive in that they managed to pull out a win without the QB, against a team that was physically on par. UVA's defense is also beginning to garner a lot of respect from their opponents.

    4)  The 13 day prep time is big for UCLA.  They needed to gel up the O-line and that takes time. I look for improvement as the game wears on tonight.

    5) Under Mora, UCLA is 9-3 SU regular season on the road ....losses last year were @Stanford, and @ Oregon. and @ Cal in 2012.  As long as the Bruins aren't heading too far to the north in the PAC, then I am not opposed to them traveling.

    Bottom line:

    This matchup is a major step up in class for ASU. They have played no one, and would need to be at full strength to win this game...without QB Kelly, the run game will suffer.  As for UCLA, the QB position is big, but it is not as big as most think as far as the outcome of this game goes. Neuheisel is listed as the backup, but UCLA will go to the highly touted redshirt freshman Woulard and run read option exclusively if the offense sputters.  I expect UCLA to be very effective running the football, and get TD's in the redzone, not FG's.  The challenges are many for ASU, but the redzone is an area where they will miss the running ability of Kelly.

    UCLA is battle tested, has the superior defense, and is more equipped to win this game. The most favorable scenario is for ASU to jump out early (as has been the trend) and then get a +moneyline on UCLA to win the game straight up. We will see.

    As for now, it is fade the public time.......  UCLA -3 (-110) 

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    This game actually became a bit more interesting with all of the QB questions.  Most guys hate uncertainty, but most of the time that is the only place where you can find a little bit of value.

    A few thoughts on tonight's game:

    First the ASU side of things:

    1)  Home field is big for ASU under HC Graham. 11-3 straight up. 0-1 ATS as a home dog under Graham (loss to Oregon in 2012).

    2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football.  LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, BYU, K-State and ECU are all ranked below ASU.......granted aside from BYU all of these squads have losses, but despite the early season loss they are all ASU's superior.

    3) Wins over Weber State, @ New Mexico, and @ Colorado.  ASU rushed out to big leads over Weber and NM, and 17-0 vs CU in the first half.  Both CU and NM made 1st half rallies, but ASU was able to take 2 score leads into half time.  The defense yielded 200+ on the ground to NM and was shredded pretty good @ CU for 545 of total O, with 232 on the ground.

    4)  As everybody knows, QB Kelly is out for this one......second leading rusher on the team, and key guy when it comes to running the read option game.  With the run threat greatly minimized, it will be tough for TB Foster to get the quality looks.

    5) Phil Steele has the Devils as the most inexperienced team in the PAC 12, with a little over 55% of the lettermen returning from last year's squad.

    A few thoughts on UCLA:

    1) UCLA was everybody's pick to get into the playoff back in August. With 17 returning starters, 9 on O and 8 on D, talking heads will usually make a 10-3 team from the previous season a preseason darling.  The hype has died down a bit after lackluster showings, and the bandwagon is a bit lighter these days. What a difference a month makes.

    2) QB Hundley should be in there tonight. Not sure in what capacity though....the injury is to the non-throwing elbow.  Unless it is broken, is that really an injury to a QB?  If the hands are good, throwing arm is good, and the legs work, then what is the problem?  So, either there is more to this injury, or his pain threshold has been reached...either way, look for the gameplan to limit the contact. Quick throws, and sideline hunting......

    3)  UCLA is battle tested.  Wins @ UVA, @ Texas and at home against Memphis.  The Memphis game was a surprise at the time, but it was an obvious sandwich game vs a dog that is much improved over last season.  The Texas game was fairly impressive in that they managed to pull out a win without the QB, against a team that was physically on par. UVA's defense is also beginning to garner a lot of respect from their opponents.

    4)  The 13 day prep time is big for UCLA.  They needed to gel up the O-line and that takes time. I look for improvement as the game wears on tonight.

    5) Under Mora, UCLA is 9-3 SU regular season on the road ....losses last year were @Stanford, and @ Oregon. and @ Cal in 2012.  As long as the Bruins aren't heading too far to the north in the PAC, then I am not opposed to them traveling.

    Bottom line:

    This matchup is a major step up in class for ASU. They have played no one, and would need to be at full strength to win this game...without QB Kelly, the run game will suffer.  As for UCLA, the QB position is big, but it is not as big as most think as far as the outcome of this game goes. Neuheisel is listed as the backup, but UCLA will go to the highly touted redshirt freshman Woulard and run read option exclusively if the offense sputters.  I expect UCLA to be very effective running the football, and get TD's in the redzone, not FG's.  The challenges are many for ASU, but the redzone is an area where they will miss the running ability of Kelly.

    UCLA is battle tested, has the superior defense, and is more equipped to win this game. The most favorable scenario is for ASU to jump out early (as has been the trend) and then get a +moneyline on UCLA to win the game straight up. We will see.

    As for now, it is fade the public time.......  UCLA -3 (-110) 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2014 - 6:18 PM ET #3

    Fade the public time?

    Then if that was the case you would change your bet. Because I'm gonna tell you flat out, if you bet that your losing tonight. You been warned. Or you can thank me later.

    ASU + whatever

    Leaning moneyline as well for the outright win.
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    Then if that was the case you would change your bet. Because I'm gonna tell you flat out, if you bet that your losing tonight. You been warned. Or you can thank me later.

    ASU + whatever

    Leaning moneyline as well for the outright win.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 25, 2014 - 6:26 PM ET #4

    I know your gonna say. You can clearly see that the public is all over ASU cause it says so. But not everything you read is true bro. Don't believe the hype. 

    Firstly I'm gonna say this;

    I don't even need to look at this matchup to determine who to bet. It's an auto-bet for me. AUTOMATIC. I will not share why. You can clearly do your own homework and if you do it well you will see where I'm at.

    2. If you want a reason. UCLA banged up O line versus a speedy tough D + banged up QB = disaster   divided by a 4 year back up that has a stronger arm the Kelly = Surprise.

        ASU is going to be calling a different game plan due to having a different type of QB in. One that is a pocket passer with a strong arm. He will go deep early and often. UCLA is not going to expect this guy to come out hucking it all over the field but he will. I'll say it again, he has a STRONGER ARM than Kelly and stays in the pocket.
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    I know your gonna say. You can clearly see that the public is all over ASU cause it says so. But not everything you read is true bro. Don't believe the hype. 

    Firstly I'm gonna say this;

    I don't even need to look at this matchup to determine who to bet. It's an auto-bet for me. AUTOMATIC. I will not share why. You can clearly do your own homework and if you do it well you will see where I'm at.

    2. If you want a reason. UCLA banged up O line versus a speedy tough D + banged up QB = disaster   divided by a 4 year back up that has a stronger arm the Kelly = Surprise.

        ASU is going to be calling a different game plan due to having a different type of QB in. One that is a pocket passer with a strong arm. He will go deep early and often. UCLA is not going to expect this guy to come out hucking it all over the field but he will. I'll say it again, he has a STRONGER ARM than Kelly and stays in the pocket.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC_sharp949:

    I know your gonna say. You can clearly see that the public is all over ASU cause it says so. But not everything you read is true bro. Don't believe the hype. 

    Firstly I'm gonna say this;

    I don't even need to look at this matchup to determine who to bet. It's a auto-bet for me. AUTOMATIC. I will not share why. You can clearly do your own homework and if you do it well you will see where I'm at.

    2. If you want a reason. UCLA banged up O line versus a speedy tough D + banged up QB = disaster   divided by a 4 year back up that has a stronger arm the Kelly = Surpise

      ASU Defense is STR8 KUNT man!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC_sharp949:

    I know your gonna say. You can clearly see that the public is all over ASU cause it says so. But not everything you read is true bro. Don't believe the hype. 

    Firstly I'm gonna say this;

    I don't even need to look at this matchup to determine who to bet. It's a auto-bet for me. AUTOMATIC. I will not share why. You can clearly do your own homework and if you do it well you will see where I'm at.

    2. If you want a reason. UCLA banged up O line versus a speedy tough D + banged up QB = disaster   divided by a 4 year back up that has a stronger arm the Kelly = Surpise

      ASU Defense is STR8 KUNT man!!!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    This game actually became a bit more interesting with all of the QB questions.  Most guys hate uncertainty, but most of the time that is the only place where you can find a little bit of value.

    A few thoughts on tonight's game:

    First the ASU side of things:

    1)  Home field is big for ASU under HC Graham. 11-3 straight up. 0-1 ATS as a home dog under Graham (loss to Oregon in 2012).

    2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football.  LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, BYU, K-State and ECU are all ranked below ASU.......granted aside from BYU all of these squads have losses, but despite the early season loss they are all ASU's superior.

    3) Wins over Weber State, @ New Mexico, and @ Colorado.  ASU rushed out to big leads over Weber and NM, and 17-0 vs CU in the first half.  Both CU and NM made 1st half rallies, but ASU was able to take 2 score leads into half time.  The defense yielded 200+ on the ground to NM and was shredded pretty good @ CU for 545 of total O, with 232 on the ground.

    4)  As everybody knows, QB Kelly is out for this one......second leading rusher on the team, and key guy when it comes to running the read option game.  With the run threat greatly minimized, it will be tough for TB Foster to get the quality looks.

    5) Phil Steele has the Devils as the most inexperienced team in the PAC 12, with a little over 55% of the lettermen returning from last year's squad.

    A few thoughts on UCLA:

    1) UCLA was everybody's pick to get into the playoff back in August. With 17 returning starters, 9 on O and 8 on D, talking heads will usually make a 10-3 team from the previous season a preseason darling.  The hype has died down a bit after lackluster showings, and the bandwagon is a bit lighter these days. What a difference a month makes.

    2) QB Hundley should be in there tonight. Not sure in what capacity though....the injury is to the non-throwing elbow.  Unless it is broken, is that really an injury to a QB?  If the hands are good, throwing arm is good, and the legs work, then what is the problem?  So, either there is more to this injury, or his pain threshold has been reached...either way, look for the gameplan to limit the contact. Quick throws, and sideline hunting......

    3)  UCLA is battle tested.  Wins @ UVA, @ Texas and at home against Memphis.  The Memphis game was a surprise at the time, but it was an obvious sandwich game vs a dog that is much improved over last season.  The Texas game was fairly impressive in that they managed to pull out a win without the QB, against a team that was physically on par. UVA's defense is also beginning to garner a lot of respect from their opponents.

    4)  The 13 day prep time is big for UCLA.  They needed to gel up the O-line and that takes time. I look for improvement as the game wears on tonight.

    5) Under Mora, UCLA is 9-3 SU regular season on the road ....losses last year were @Stanford, and @ Oregon. and @ Cal in 2012.  As long as the Bruins aren't heading too far to the north in the PAC, then I am not opposed to them traveling.

    Bottom line:

    This matchup is a major step up in class for ASU. They have played no one, and would need to be at full strength to win this game...without QB Kelly, the run game will suffer.  As for UCLA, the QB position is big, but it is not as big as most think as far as the outcome of this game goes. Neuheisel is listed as the backup, but UCLA will go to the highly touted redshirt freshman Woulard and run read option exclusively if the offense sputters.  I expect UCLA to be very effective running the football, and get TD's in the redzone, not FG's.  The challenges are many for ASU, but the redzone is an area where they will miss the running ability of Kelly.

    UCLA is battle tested, has the superior defense, and is more equipped to win this game. The most favorable scenario is for ASU to jump out early (as has been the trend) and then get a +moneyline on UCLA to win the game straight up. We will see.

    As for now, it is fade the public time.......  UCLA -3 (-110) 

    ASU it is....thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    This game actually became a bit more interesting with all of the QB questions.  Most guys hate uncertainty, but most of the time that is the only place where you can find a little bit of value.

    A few thoughts on tonight's game:

    First the ASU side of things:

    1)  Home field is big for ASU under HC Graham. 11-3 straight up. 0-1 ATS as a home dog under Graham (loss to Oregon in 2012).

    2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football.  LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, BYU, K-State and ECU are all ranked below ASU.......granted aside from BYU all of these squads have losses, but despite the early season loss they are all ASU's superior.

    3) Wins over Weber State, @ New Mexico, and @ Colorado.  ASU rushed out to big leads over Weber and NM, and 17-0 vs CU in the first half.  Both CU and NM made 1st half rallies, but ASU was able to take 2 score leads into half time.  The defense yielded 200+ on the ground to NM and was shredded pretty good @ CU for 545 of total O, with 232 on the ground.

    4)  As everybody knows, QB Kelly is out for this one......second leading rusher on the team, and key guy when it comes to running the read option game.  With the run threat greatly minimized, it will be tough for TB Foster to get the quality looks.

    5) Phil Steele has the Devils as the most inexperienced team in the PAC 12, with a little over 55% of the lettermen returning from last year's squad.

    A few thoughts on UCLA:

    1) UCLA was everybody's pick to get into the playoff back in August. With 17 returning starters, 9 on O and 8 on D, talking heads will usually make a 10-3 team from the previous season a preseason darling.  The hype has died down a bit after lackluster showings, and the bandwagon is a bit lighter these days. What a difference a month makes.

    2) QB Hundley should be in there tonight. Not sure in what capacity though....the injury is to the non-throwing elbow.  Unless it is broken, is that really an injury to a QB?  If the hands are good, throwing arm is good, and the legs work, then what is the problem?  So, either there is more to this injury, or his pain threshold has been reached...either way, look for the gameplan to limit the contact. Quick throws, and sideline hunting......

    3)  UCLA is battle tested.  Wins @ UVA, @ Texas and at home against Memphis.  The Memphis game was a surprise at the time, but it was an obvious sandwich game vs a dog that is much improved over last season.  The Texas game was fairly impressive in that they managed to pull out a win without the QB, against a team that was physically on par. UVA's defense is also beginning to garner a lot of respect from their opponents.

    4)  The 13 day prep time is big for UCLA.  They needed to gel up the O-line and that takes time. I look for improvement as the game wears on tonight.

    5) Under Mora, UCLA is 9-3 SU regular season on the road ....losses last year were @Stanford, and @ Oregon. and @ Cal in 2012.  As long as the Bruins aren't heading too far to the north in the PAC, then I am not opposed to them traveling.

    Bottom line:

    This matchup is a major step up in class for ASU. They have played no one, and would need to be at full strength to win this game...without QB Kelly, the run game will suffer.  As for UCLA, the QB position is big, but it is not as big as most think as far as the outcome of this game goes. Neuheisel is listed as the backup, but UCLA will go to the highly touted redshirt freshman Woulard and run read option exclusively if the offense sputters.  I expect UCLA to be very effective running the football, and get TD's in the redzone, not FG's.  The challenges are many for ASU, but the redzone is an area where they will miss the running ability of Kelly.

    UCLA is battle tested, has the superior defense, and is more equipped to win this game. The most favorable scenario is for ASU to jump out early (as has been the trend) and then get a +moneyline on UCLA to win the game straight up. We will see.

    As for now, it is fade the public time.......  UCLA -3 (-110) 

    ASU it is....thanks
     
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    Great write up! Riding that UCLA with ya brush! ????
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    " 2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football. "

    This was awesome, legitimately made me laugh out loud, well done sir


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    This was awesome, legitimately made me laugh out loud, well done sir


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC_sharp949:

    I know your gonna say. You can clearly see that the public is all over ASU cause it says so. But not everything you read is true bro. Don't believe the hype. 

    Firstly I'm gonna say this;

    I don't even need to look at this matchup to determine who to bet. It's an auto-bet for me. AUTOMATIC. I will not share why. You can clearly do your own homework and if you do it well you will see where I'm at.

    2. If you want a reason. UCLA banged up O line versus a speedy tough D + banged up QB = disaster   divided by a 4 year back up that has a stronger arm the Kelly = Surprise.

        ASU is going to be calling a different game plan due to having a different type of QB in. One that is a pocket passer with a strong arm. He will go deep early and often. UCLA is not going to expect this guy to come out hucking it all over the field but he will. I'll say it again, he has a STRONGER ARM than Kelly and stays in the pocket.

    Jim Druckenmiller, David Klingler, Akili Smith, Micheal Bishop and Browning Nagle all had "strong" arms.  Actually, Klingler and Nagle had absolute cannons.  I bet without Wikipedia you couldn't tell me which NFL teams 2 of those guys played for........

    If you don't throw to the right colored jersey, then the strongest arm(I will spare you the all caps treatment) in the world is all but worthless.  No substitute for experience in the redzone.

    But, if you are betting all of that glimmer in your Avatar on the Sun Devils tonight, then best of luck. 

    I plan to be around for Saturday....

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    I know your gonna say. You can clearly see that the public is all over ASU cause it says so. But not everything you read is true bro. Don't believe the hype. 

    Firstly I'm gonna say this;

    I don't even need to look at this matchup to determine who to bet. It's an auto-bet for me. AUTOMATIC. I will not share why. You can clearly do your own homework and if you do it well you will see where I'm at.

    2. If you want a reason. UCLA banged up O line versus a speedy tough D + banged up QB = disaster   divided by a 4 year back up that has a stronger arm the Kelly = Surprise.

        ASU is going to be calling a different game plan due to having a different type of QB in. One that is a pocket passer with a strong arm. He will go deep early and often. UCLA is not going to expect this guy to come out hucking it all over the field but he will. I'll say it again, he has a STRONGER ARM than Kelly and stays in the pocket.

    Jim Druckenmiller, David Klingler, Akili Smith, Micheal Bishop and Browning Nagle all had "strong" arms.  Actually, Klingler and Nagle had absolute cannons.  I bet without Wikipedia you couldn't tell me which NFL teams 2 of those guys played for........

    If you don't throw to the right colored jersey, then the strongest arm(I will spare you the all caps treatment) in the world is all but worthless.  No substitute for experience in the redzone.

    But, if you are betting all of that glimmer in your Avatar on the Sun Devils tonight, then best of luck. 

    I plan to be around for Saturday....

     
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    oh btw Bercovici was going to transfer to UCLA to be their starter this year had Hundley entered the draft. 
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    Looks like your QB just re injured his arm...bring on newshitzle
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC_sharp949:

    oh btw Bercovici was going to transfer to UCLA to be their starter this year had Hundley entered the draft. 

    Well, enough said.

    BOL with your picks moving forward.

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    oh btw Bercovici was going to transfer to UCLA to be their starter this year had Hundley entered the draft. 

    Well, enough said.

    BOL with your picks moving forward.

     
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    ASU was ranked #15 . 

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    This game actually became a bit more interesting with all of the QB questions.  Most guys hate uncertainty, but most of the time that is the only place where you can find a little bit of value.

    A few thoughts on tonight's game:

    First the ASU side of things:

    1)  Home field is big for ASU under HC Graham. 11-3 straight up. 0-1 ATS as a home dog under Graham (loss to Oregon in 2012).

    2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football.  LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, BYU, K-State and ECU are all ranked below ASU.......granted aside from BYU all of these squads have losses, but despite the early season loss they are all ASU's superior.

    3) Wins over Weber State, @ New Mexico, and @ Colorado.  ASU rushed out to big leads over Weber and NM, and 17-0 vs CU in the first half.  Both CU and NM made 1st half rallies, but ASU was able to take 2 score leads into half time.  The defense yielded 200+ on the ground to NM and was shredded pretty good @ CU for 545 of total O, with 232 on the ground.

    4)  As everybody knows, QB Kelly is out for this one......second leading rusher on the team, and key guy when it comes to running the read option game.  With the run threat greatly minimized, it will be tough for TB Foster to get the quality looks.

    5) Phil Steele has the Devils as the most inexperienced team in the PAC 12, with a little over 55% of the lettermen returning from last year's squad.

    A few thoughts on UCLA:

    1) UCLA was everybody's pick to get into the playoff back in August. With 17 returning starters, 9 on O and 8 on D, talking heads will usually make a 10-3 team from the previous season a preseason darling.  The hype has died down a bit after lackluster showings, and the bandwagon is a bit lighter these days. What a difference a month makes.

    2) QB Hundley should be in there tonight. Not sure in what capacity though....the injury is to the non-throwing elbow.  Unless it is broken, is that really an injury to a QB?  If the hands are good, throwing arm is good, and the legs work, then what is the problem?  So, either there is more to this injury, or his pain threshold has been reached...either way, look for the gameplan to limit the contact. Quick throws, and sideline hunting......

    3)  UCLA is battle tested.  Wins @ UVA, @ Texas and at home against Memphis.  The Memphis game was a surprise at the time, but it was an obvious sandwich game vs a dog that is much improved over last season.  The Texas game was fairly impressive in that they managed to pull out a win without the QB, against a team that was physically on par. UVA's defense is also beginning to garner a lot of respect from their opponents.

    4)  The 13 day prep time is big for UCLA.  They needed to gel up the O-line and that takes time. I look for improvement as the game wears on tonight.

    5) Under Mora, UCLA is 9-3 SU regular season on the road ....losses last year were @Stanford, and @ Oregon. and @ Cal in 2012.  As long as the Bruins aren't heading too far to the north in the PAC, then I am not opposed to them traveling.

    Bottom line:

    This matchup is a major step up in class for ASU. They have played no one, and would need to be at full strength to win this game...without QB Kelly, the run game will suffer.  As for UCLA, the QB position is big, but it is not as big as most think as far as the outcome of this game goes. Neuheisel is listed as the backup, but UCLA will go to the highly touted redshirt freshman Woulard and run read option exclusively if the offense sputters.  I expect UCLA to be very effective running the football, and get TD's in the redzone, not FG's.  The challenges are many for ASU, but the redzone is an area where they will miss the running ability of Kelly.

    UCLA is battle tested, has the superior defense, and is more equipped to win this game. The most favorable scenario is for ASU to jump out early (as has been the trend) and then get a +moneyline on UCLA to win the game straight up. We will see.

    As for now, it is fade the public time.......  UCLA -3 (-110) 



    Great writeup and great pick.  UCLA stepped up tonight!  Good luck to ya for the rest of the weekend.

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    This game actually became a bit more interesting with all of the QB questions.  Most guys hate uncertainty, but most of the time that is the only place where you can find a little bit of value.

    A few thoughts on tonight's game:

    First the ASU side of things:

    1)  Home field is big for ASU under HC Graham. 11-3 straight up. 0-1 ATS as a home dog under Graham (loss to Oregon in 2012).

    2)  ASU is ranked #15 in the AP poll.  This ranking is proof positive that sports writers do not actually watch football.  LSU, Wisconsin, Stanford, BYU, K-State and ECU are all ranked below ASU.......granted aside from BYU all of these squads have losses, but despite the early season loss they are all ASU's superior.

    3) Wins over Weber State, @ New Mexico, and @ Colorado.  ASU rushed out to big leads over Weber and NM, and 17-0 vs CU in the first half.  Both CU and NM made 1st half rallies, but ASU was able to take 2 score leads into half time.  The defense yielded 200+ on the ground to NM and was shredded pretty good @ CU for 545 of total O, with 232 on the ground.

    4)  As everybody knows, QB Kelly is out for this one......second leading rusher on the team, and key guy when it comes to running the read option game.  With the run threat greatly minimized, it will be tough for TB Foster to get the quality looks.

    5) Phil Steele has the Devils as the most inexperienced team in the PAC 12, with a little over 55% of the lettermen returning from last year's squad.

    A few thoughts on UCLA:

    1) UCLA was everybody's pick to get into the playoff back in August. With 17 returning starters, 9 on O and 8 on D, talking heads will usually make a 10-3 team from the previous season a preseason darling.  The hype has died down a bit after lackluster showings, and the bandwagon is a bit lighter these days. What a difference a month makes.

    2) QB Hundley should be in there tonight. Not sure in what capacity though....the injury is to the non-throwing elbow.  Unless it is broken, is that really an injury to a QB?  If the hands are good, throwing arm is good, and the legs work, then what is the problem?  So, either there is more to this injury, or his pain threshold has been reached...either way, look for the gameplan to limit the contact. Quick throws, and sideline hunting......

    3)  UCLA is battle tested.  Wins @ UVA, @ Texas and at home against Memphis.  The Memphis game was a surprise at the time, but it was an obvious sandwich game vs a dog that is much improved over last season.  The Texas game was fairly impressive in that they managed to pull out a win without the QB, against a team that was physically on par. UVA's defense is also beginning to garner a lot of respect from their opponents.

    4)  The 13 day prep time is big for UCLA.  They needed to gel up the O-line and that takes time. I look for improvement as the game wears on tonight.

    5) Under Mora, UCLA is 9-3 SU regular season on the road ....losses last year were @Stanford, and @ Oregon. and @ Cal in 2012.  As long as the Bruins aren't heading too far to the north in the PAC, then I am not opposed to them traveling.

    Bottom line:

    This matchup is a major step up in class for ASU. They have played no one, and would need to be at full strength to win this game...without QB Kelly, the run game will suffer.  As for UCLA, the QB position is big, but it is not as big as most think as far as the outcome of this game goes. Neuheisel is listed as the backup, but UCLA will go to the highly touted redshirt freshman Woulard and run read option exclusively if the offense sputters.  I expect UCLA to be very effective running the football, and get TD's in the redzone, not FG's.  The challenges are many for ASU, but the redzone is an area where they will miss the running ability of Kelly.

    UCLA is battle tested, has the superior defense, and is more equipped to win this game. The most favorable scenario is for ASU to jump out early (as has been the trend) and then get a +moneyline on UCLA to win the game straight up. We will see.

    As for now, it is fade the public time.......  UCLA -3 (-110) 



    Great writeup and great pick.  UCLA stepped up tonight!  Good luck to ya for the rest of the weekend.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

    Well, enough said.

    BOL with your picks moving forward.


    good call bigvern. They fell apart like a house of cards after looking like they were going to make a game of it. If it was not for the QB handing them 21 points it might of been closer. Overall a win is a win and you got one. Congrats. 
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    Well, enough said.

    BOL with your picks moving forward.


    good call bigvern. They fell apart like a house of cards after looking like they were going to make a game of it. If it was not for the QB handing them 21 points it might of been closer. Overall a win is a win and you got one. Congrats. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC_sharp949:


    good call bigvern. They fell apart like a house of cards after looking like they were going to make a game of it. If it was not for the QB handing them 21 points it might of been closer. Overall a win is a win and you got one. Congrats. 

    OC_sharp949,
    Way to take it like a man, show some guts and actually congratulate someone for making the proper money making selection. 99% of those on this site would have disappeared or come up with some personal attack on why they were wrong.  Good luck with your remaining picks this week and for the weeks to come.

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    good call bigvern. They fell apart like a house of cards after looking like they were going to make a game of it. If it was not for the QB handing them 21 points it might of been closer. Overall a win is a win and you got one. Congrats. 

    OC_sharp949,
    Way to take it like a man, show some guts and actually congratulate someone for making the proper money making selection. 99% of those on this site would have disappeared or come up with some personal attack on why they were wrong.  Good luck with your remaining picks this week and for the weeks to come.

    Cheers







     
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    Way to take it like a man, OC_Sharp949.

    Back to OP, you called it. I've watched every UCLA game so far this year (and maybe 5-10 years before this), this team is battle tested. I'm not sure if UCLA is national championship material, i think we are a big play player away from a truly elite team (a DAT or Marquis Lee/Nelson Agholor), but it's still very exciting to watch the team play.

    UCLA does have arguably the toughest schedule in CFB though. Utah @ home (prob ranked by then), Oregon @ home (ESPN Gameday game), Stanford @ home, against 4-0 Arizona and Washington on the road, and then USC @ home. I'd be happy with a 10-2 and hopefully some top teams lose a couple of games so we still have a shot at the inaugural college football playoff
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    Way to take it like a man, OC_Sharp949.

    Back to OP, you called it. I've watched every UCLA game so far this year (and maybe 5-10 years before this), this team is battle tested. I'm not sure if UCLA is national championship material, i think we are a big play player away from a truly elite team (a DAT or Marquis Lee/Nelson Agholor), but it's still very exciting to watch the team play.

    UCLA does have arguably the toughest schedule in CFB though. Utah @ home (prob ranked by then), Oregon @ home (ESPN Gameday game), Stanford @ home, against 4-0 Arizona and Washington on the road, and then USC @ home. I'd be happy with a 10-2 and hopefully some top teams lose a couple of games so we still have a shot at the inaugural college football playoff
     
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    ASU defense was horrible. I'm sure ASU will look decent again after a much weaker opponent. They are not a top 25 team with that defense. I played ASU for 1 unit to have action on the game. What I left with is their defense let me know I was going to lose this one early. UCLA really looked good or ASU defense made them look that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC_sharp949:


    good call bigvern. They fell apart like a house of cards after looking like they were going to make a game of it. If it was not for the QB handing them 21 points it might of been closer. Overall a win is a win and you got one. Congrats. 

    Best of luck moving forward OC.

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    good call bigvern. They fell apart like a house of cards after looking like they were going to make a game of it. If it was not for the QB handing them 21 points it might of been closer. Overall a win is a win and you got one. Congrats. 

    Best of luck moving forward OC.

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