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    Too much good stuff on Aaron Murray.. Why UGA Loses

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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 3:29 PM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    If UGA loses there will be a following of pucku bashing alts to epic proportions made for Jimmy after they lost their wager.

    Good old pucku.  Where's he at these days?  That guy could not have possibly have been betting real money with his record.  He was one guy who you could just blindly fade and win a ton of cash.

    I'll make  regardless of the outcome of the Boise/Georgia game.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    If UGA loses there will be a following of pucku bashing alts to epic proportions made for Jimmy after they lost their wager.

    Good old pucku.  Where's he at these days?  That guy could not have possibly have been betting real money with his record.  He was one guy who you could just blindly fade and win a ton of cash.

    I'll make  regardless of the outcome of the Boise/Georgia game.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 3:46 PM ET #77

    Im sure he is still around, he is never gone.
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    Im sure he is still around, he is never gone.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 6:28 PM ET #78

    Jimmy...I would still like and enjoy your explaining to me how UGA is on a major upswing w/out having played a game ?  Since the UCF fiasco. With AJ and a more experienced OL. Looking forward to it.
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    Jimmy...I would still like and enjoy your explaining to me how UGA is on a major upswing w/out having played a game ?  Since the UCF fiasco. With AJ and a more experienced OL. Looking forward to it.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 6:53 PM ET #79

    They don't have a choice but to be on the upswing or the staff will be swinging golf clubs next year.
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    They don't have a choice but to be on the upswing or the staff will be swinging golf clubs next year.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 7:23 PM ET #80

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Jimmy...I would still like and enjoy your explaining to me how UGA is on a major upswing w/out having played a game ?  Since the UCF fiasco. With AJ and a more experienced OL. Looking forward to it.

    Read the first page of this thread.

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101099662

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Jimmy...I would still like and enjoy your explaining to me how UGA is on a major upswing w/out having played a game ?  Since the UCF fiasco. With AJ and a more experienced OL. Looking forward to it.

    Read the first page of this thread.

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=33&sub=101099662

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 7:26 PM ET #81

    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    They don't have a choice but to be on the upswing or the staff will be swinging golf clubs next year.

    Right. The only place they can go from here is up.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    They don't have a choice but to be on the upswing or the staff will be swinging golf clubs next year.

    Right. The only place they can go from here is up.

     

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 7:33 PM ET #82

    Here we go againnnnnn.
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    Here we go againnnnnn.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 7:48 PM ET #83

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Jimmy...I would still like and enjoy your explaining to me how UGA is on a major upswing w/out having played a game ?  Since the UCF fiasco. With AJ and a more experienced OL. Looking forward to it.

    If it were me, I would've fired the entire staff after the bowl game with UCF.  But, the team just wanted to get the season over with. 

    With the recruiting haul, there has been a long awaited attitude adjustment......and it started right after the bowl game with Strengh and Conditioning.  I can't stress enough how AWFUL UGAs S&C has been the past two seasons.  Add to it the pitiful recruiting efforts and busts in the 08 and 09 classes, and you get what UGA produced last year.......crap. 

    But, when you look at the canvas, there is a reason why UGA took this game.....period.  RB....don't worry.....Crowell would've been starter last year if he would have been on campus.  OL, starting 5 is super, depth is an issue as we are young....but talented.  Nearly all of the past year recruits will get playing time. 

    Boise will bear the red and black and get knocked back to reality being a mid major thankfully.  Cant wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Jimmy...I would still like and enjoy your explaining to me how UGA is on a major upswing w/out having played a game ?  Since the UCF fiasco. With AJ and a more experienced OL. Looking forward to it.

    If it were me, I would've fired the entire staff after the bowl game with UCF.  But, the team just wanted to get the season over with. 

    With the recruiting haul, there has been a long awaited attitude adjustment......and it started right after the bowl game with Strengh and Conditioning.  I can't stress enough how AWFUL UGAs S&C has been the past two seasons.  Add to it the pitiful recruiting efforts and busts in the 08 and 09 classes, and you get what UGA produced last year.......crap. 

    But, when you look at the canvas, there is a reason why UGA took this game.....period.  RB....don't worry.....Crowell would've been starter last year if he would have been on campus.  OL, starting 5 is super, depth is an issue as we are young....but talented.  Nearly all of the past year recruits will get playing time. 

    Boise will bear the red and black and get knocked back to reality being a mid major thankfully.  Cant wait.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 7:50 PM ET #84

    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:





    Pure comedy..

    Its the truth and u will realize soon Boise should not be on the same field with UGA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:





    Pure comedy..

    Its the truth and u will realize soon Boise should not be on the same field with UGA.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 8:36 PM ET #85

     Re your directive- those top ranked recruiting classes didn't do too hot the last three yrs. I'd say. Highly rated( recruits) doesn't always result in comparable on field excellence.  So..in light of your main argument,how would u explain their( UGA )recent results ?
      Further,and I agree with u, U reference Richt and his "softness".,etc...  What makes u think he has changed so drastically ? He still has Bobo. He showed way too much allegiance to Martinez and the prior SC-till he was given an ultimatum as such. Extremelly poor job getting team prepared for the bowl. So now he's gonna be super motivator ? I just don't see it in his personality.
      Petersen gets much more out of his players..and respective talent level... than Richt. IMO.   It will be interesting. 
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     Re your directive- those top ranked recruiting classes didn't do too hot the last three yrs. I'd say. Highly rated( recruits) doesn't always result in comparable on field excellence.  So..in light of your main argument,how would u explain their( UGA )recent results ?
      Further,and I agree with u, U reference Richt and his "softness".,etc...  What makes u think he has changed so drastically ? He still has Bobo. He showed way too much allegiance to Martinez and the prior SC-till he was given an ultimatum as such. Extremelly poor job getting team prepared for the bowl. So now he's gonna be super motivator ? I just don't see it in his personality.
      Petersen gets much more out of his players..and respective talent level... than Richt. IMO.   It will be interesting. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 11:29 PM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

    Its the truth and u will realize soon Boise should not be on the same field with UGA.



    Yes, I'm sure this Boise team is on par with the worst non-AQ school that ever played in a BCS Bowl..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

    Its the truth and u will realize soon Boise should not be on the same field with UGA.



    Yes, I'm sure this Boise team is on par with the worst non-AQ school that ever played in a BCS Bowl..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 21, 2011 - 11:34 PM ET #87

    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Couple years ago had to convert Samuels to Linebacker.... Before that Knowshon had to earn the spot over Caleb.

    And now we are outta RBs????.... Really?


    Considering:

    • Samuels is now BACK at RB
    • UGA dismissed its only 2 RBs that had over 300 yards LY
    • Aaron Murray has the most returning rush attempts
    yea, I'd say RB depth is certainly an issue..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

    Couple years ago had to convert Samuels to Linebacker.... Before that Knowshon had to earn the spot over Caleb.

    And now we are outta RBs????.... Really?


    Considering:

    • Samuels is now BACK at RB
    • UGA dismissed its only 2 RBs that had over 300 yards LY
    • Aaron Murray has the most returning rush attempts
    yea, I'd say RB depth is certainly an issue..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

     Re your directive- those top ranked recruiting classes didn't do too hot the last three yrs. I'd say. Highly rated( recruits) doesn't always result in comparable on field excellence.  So..in light of your main argument,how would u explain their( UGA )recent results ?
      Further,and I agree with u, U reference Richt and his "softness".,etc...  What makes u think he has changed so drastically ? He still has Bobo. He showed way too much allegiance to Martinez and the prior SC-till he was given an ultimatum as such. Extremelly poor job getting team prepared for the bowl. So now he's gonna be super motivator ? I just don't see it in his personality.
      Petersen gets much more out of his players..and respective talent level... than Richt. IMO.   It will be interesting. 

    Very Good Post Brother

    Agree 1000%

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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

     Re your directive- those top ranked recruiting classes didn't do too hot the last three yrs. I'd say. Highly rated( recruits) doesn't always result in comparable on field excellence.  So..in light of your main argument,how would u explain their( UGA )recent results ?
      Further,and I agree with u, U reference Richt and his "softness".,etc...  What makes u think he has changed so drastically ? He still has Bobo. He showed way too much allegiance to Martinez and the prior SC-till he was given an ultimatum as such. Extremelly poor job getting team prepared for the bowl. So now he's gonna be super motivator ? I just don't see it in his personality.
      Petersen gets much more out of his players..and respective talent level... than Richt. IMO.   It will be interesting. 

    Very Good Post Brother

    Agree 1000%

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I fully understand why the line is where it is.  I'm just saying considering the level of talent of both teams and the venue, -6.5 would be a much sharper line.

     

    18-22 Year Old Talent requires GREAT Coaching

    If anything I would give The Broncos at least 4+ points for Coaching

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I fully understand why the line is where it is.  I'm just saying considering the level of talent of both teams and the venue, -6.5 would be a much sharper line.

     

    18-22 Year Old Talent requires GREAT Coaching

    If anything I would give The Broncos at least 4+ points for Coaching

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Very Good Post Brother

    Agree 1000%

     Thank -you. Glad someone else saw the "holes" in that thesis.  Not trying to be a hardass,but that whole recruiting superiority argument has alot of holes in it as far as UGA is concerned. One can not measure or predict heart or emotional intensity or discipline-on and off the field. And this is where Petersen appears to excel and Richt fell flat the last few yrs.
      Let's not forget for 08 and 09 UGA was the 2nd and 3rd most penalized team in the nation! And to cap it off,had 11 players arrested last year. ELEVEN.  Hence,obviously someone lost control of the team. And now,according to Jimmy,Richt has that all under control.  Show me first-on and off the field. 
      btw   I am a UGA grad. Just fed up.
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    Very Good Post Brother

    Agree 1000%

     Thank -you. Glad someone else saw the "holes" in that thesis.  Not trying to be a hardass,but that whole recruiting superiority argument has alot of holes in it as far as UGA is concerned. One can not measure or predict heart or emotional intensity or discipline-on and off the field. And this is where Petersen appears to excel and Richt fell flat the last few yrs.
      Let's not forget for 08 and 09 UGA was the 2nd and 3rd most penalized team in the nation! And to cap it off,had 11 players arrested last year. ELEVEN.  Hence,obviously someone lost control of the team. And now,according to Jimmy,Richt has that all under control.  Show me first-on and off the field. 
      btw   I am a UGA grad. Just fed up.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

     Re your directive- those top ranked recruiting classes didn't do too hot the last three yrs. I'd say. Highly rated( recruits) doesn't always result in comparable on field excellence.  So..in light of your main argument,how would u explain their( UGA )recent results ?
      Further,and I agree with u, U reference Richt and his "softness".,etc...  What makes u think he has changed so drastically ? He still has Bobo. He showed way too much allegiance to Martinez and the prior SC-till he was given an ultimatum as such. Extremelly poor job getting team prepared for the bowl. So now he's gonna be super motivator ? I just don't see it in his personality.
      Petersen gets much more out of his players..and respective talent level... than Richt. IMO.   It will be interesting. 

    I addressed all of these issues and queestions in the thread I linked above.  Did you read all of page 1?

    I don't think there is any question that Peterson has gotten more out of his players than Richt has in the past, but then again he has to.  He has less to work with.

    Moreover, coaching is a legitimate betting angle IMO.  I just don't think it'll be much of a factor in this game.  As I have said before, I think talent will be the most salient factor.

     

     

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     Re your directive- those top ranked recruiting classes didn't do too hot the last three yrs. I'd say. Highly rated( recruits) doesn't always result in comparable on field excellence.  So..in light of your main argument,how would u explain their( UGA )recent results ?
      Further,and I agree with u, U reference Richt and his "softness".,etc...  What makes u think he has changed so drastically ? He still has Bobo. He showed way too much allegiance to Martinez and the prior SC-till he was given an ultimatum as such. Extremelly poor job getting team prepared for the bowl. So now he's gonna be super motivator ? I just don't see it in his personality.
      Petersen gets much more out of his players..and respective talent level... than Richt. IMO.   It will be interesting. 

    I addressed all of these issues and queestions in the thread I linked above.  Did you read all of page 1?

    I don't think there is any question that Peterson has gotten more out of his players than Richt has in the past, but then again he has to.  He has less to work with.

    Moreover, coaching is a legitimate betting angle IMO.  I just don't think it'll be much of a factor in this game.  As I have said before, I think talent will be the most salient factor.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

     Thank -you. Glad someone else saw the "holes" in that thesis.  Not trying to be a hardass,but that whole recruiting superiority argument has alot of holes in it as far as UGA is concerned. One can not measure or predict heart or emotional intensity or discipline-on and off the field. And this is where Petersen appears to excel and Richt fell flat the last few yrs.
      Let's not forget for 08 and 09 UGA was the 2nd and 3rd most penalized team in the nation! And to cap it off,had 11 players arrested last year. ELEVEN.  Hence,obviously someone lost control of the team. And now,according to Jimmy,Richt has that all under control.  Show me first-on and off the field. 
      btw   I am a UGA grad. Just fed up.

    No arrests this year.  Different tone set right after the bowl game with new S&C regimen.  Again, I can't speak enough of how UGA's strength and conditioning was subpar the last few years. Simply pathetic.  Also, the new AD in McGarrity helps a ton.  Will not get into specifics.

    I'll say this, UGA - Richt rested on their laurels after the 2007 season.  They 'thought' it would b easy.....lure recruits for the UGA name.  Richt thought for sure one of Stafford or Moreno would stay.  That didn't happen.  Add to the fact the 08 and 09 recruiting class stunk to high heaven, and you get a 6-7 year last year.  Focus has been restored, bad weight removed and finishing the UGA way an expectation.

    You have legit concerns as well as others. Hell, I wanted the entire coaching staff to be fired after the UCF bowl fiasco.  However, I knew of some changes coming and they have taken foot.  It can only get better from last year.  And from all accounts through spring and camp, it seems to have worked. But for the last time I post on this topic, there is a reason UGA took this game.  And everyone will see why on 9/3.

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     Thank -you. Glad someone else saw the "holes" in that thesis.  Not trying to be a hardass,but that whole recruiting superiority argument has alot of holes in it as far as UGA is concerned. One can not measure or predict heart or emotional intensity or discipline-on and off the field. And this is where Petersen appears to excel and Richt fell flat the last few yrs.
      Let's not forget for 08 and 09 UGA was the 2nd and 3rd most penalized team in the nation! And to cap it off,had 11 players arrested last year. ELEVEN.  Hence,obviously someone lost control of the team. And now,according to Jimmy,Richt has that all under control.  Show me first-on and off the field. 
      btw   I am a UGA grad. Just fed up.

    No arrests this year.  Different tone set right after the bowl game with new S&C regimen.  Again, I can't speak enough of how UGA's strength and conditioning was subpar the last few years. Simply pathetic.  Also, the new AD in McGarrity helps a ton.  Will not get into specifics.

    I'll say this, UGA - Richt rested on their laurels after the 2007 season.  They 'thought' it would b easy.....lure recruits for the UGA name.  Richt thought for sure one of Stafford or Moreno would stay.  That didn't happen.  Add to the fact the 08 and 09 recruiting class stunk to high heaven, and you get a 6-7 year last year.  Focus has been restored, bad weight removed and finishing the UGA way an expectation.

    You have legit concerns as well as others. Hell, I wanted the entire coaching staff to be fired after the UCF bowl fiasco.  However, I knew of some changes coming and they have taken foot.  It can only get better from last year.  And from all accounts through spring and camp, it seems to have worked. But for the last time I post on this topic, there is a reason UGA took this game.  And everyone will see why on 9/3.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

    But for the last time I post on this topic, there is a reason UGA took this game.  And everyone will see why on 9/3.


    UGA took this game because Richt and UGA's AD thought Kellen Moore wouldn't be there..
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    But for the last time I post on this topic, there is a reason UGA took this game.  And everyone will see why on 9/3.


    UGA took this game because Richt and UGA's AD thought Kellen Moore wouldn't be there..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SatNightFever05:



    UGA took this game because Richt and UGA's AD thought Kellen Moore wouldn't be there..
    You don't actually believe that do you? If they truly fealt that way, they would have never said it.... only so in a joking manner...  Haven't you heard? bulldogs aren't afraid of smurfs
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    UGA took this game because Richt and UGA's AD thought Kellen Moore wouldn't be there..
    You don't actually believe that do you? If they truly fealt that way, they would have never said it.... only so in a joking manner...  Haven't you heard? bulldogs aren't afraid of smurfs
     
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    ugadog...I am getting the distinct impression there has been a sign. improvement in attitude,outlook and work ethic,etc...and team unity.You and Jimmy might just be right in your asessement....UGA at +3= Value.  Public perception,sentiment is still quite poor  based on last impressions and I'm thinking UGA just may surprise to the upside. Good stuff.
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    ugadog...I am getting the distinct impression there has been a sign. improvement in attitude,outlook and work ethic,etc...and team unity.You and Jimmy might just be right in your asessement....UGA at +3= Value.  Public perception,sentiment is still quite poor  based on last impressions and I'm thinking UGA just may surprise to the upside. Good stuff.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tideman:

    You don't actually believe that do you? If they truly fealt that way, they would have never said it.... only so in a joking manner...  Haven't you heard? bulldogs aren't afraid of smurfs




    Don't think its 100% false.. even if Richt did say it in a joking manner..

    Either way, should be a good game..


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    You don't actually believe that do you? If they truly fealt that way, they would have never said it.... only so in a joking manner...  Haven't you heard? bulldogs aren't afraid of smurfs




    Don't think its 100% false.. even if Richt did say it in a joking manner..

    Either way, should be a good game..


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    ugadog...I am getting the distinct impression there has been a sign. improvement in attitude,outlook and work ethic,etc...and team unity.You and Jimmy might just be right in your asessement....UGA at +3= Value.  Public perception,sentiment is still quite poor  based on last impressions and I'm thinking UGA just may surprise to the upside. Good stuff.

    Echoing everything I've been saying fts.

    There is zero value in playing Boise here.

    As I have said, the internal strife that has held Georgia from reaching their potential the last couple of years is very similar to what Bama went through in 2007 ( 7 & 6 season).  Saban took out the trash after the '07 season, and people laughed when I said unranked Bama would not only beat Clemson to open the 2008 season, but they would do so in convincing fashion.

    This season we are seeing a similar revival within the Georgia program.  Richt has taken out the trash, and team confidence and team unity are at an all time high.  These are the intangibles you will not see in the stats.

    Of all the week 1 games, the one I'm most sure about is that Georgia will win this game, and like the Bama/Clemson game, I really don't think it'll be very close.

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    ugadog...I am getting the distinct impression there has been a sign. improvement in attitude,outlook and work ethic,etc...and team unity.You and Jimmy might just be right in your asessement....UGA at +3= Value.  Public perception,sentiment is still quite poor  based on last impressions and I'm thinking UGA just may surprise to the upside. Good stuff.

    Echoing everything I've been saying fts.

    There is zero value in playing Boise here.

    As I have said, the internal strife that has held Georgia from reaching their potential the last couple of years is very similar to what Bama went through in 2007 ( 7 & 6 season).  Saban took out the trash after the '07 season, and people laughed when I said unranked Bama would not only beat Clemson to open the 2008 season, but they would do so in convincing fashion.

    This season we are seeing a similar revival within the Georgia program.  Richt has taken out the trash, and team confidence and team unity are at an all time high.  These are the intangibles you will not see in the stats.

    Of all the week 1 games, the one I'm most sure about is that Georgia will win this game, and like the Bama/Clemson game, I really don't think it'll be very close.

     
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    Buncha cheerleaders trying hard to convince yourselves.
    Boise is for real the first game of the season.
    6 games in and they would be relevant.

    Boise by 7
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    Buncha cheerleaders trying hard to convince yourselves.
    Boise is for real the first game of the season.
    6 games in and they would be relevant.

    Boise by 7
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I disagree with your basic premisis that Georgia is "on a major down trend."  To the contrary, I believe they are on a major upswing. 



    UGA vs the top 25..

    • 2008- 3-3
    • 2009- 1-3
    • 2010- 0-4

    Yep, certainly looks like they are on their way back!

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    I disagree with your basic premisis that Georgia is "on a major down trend."  To the contrary, I believe they are on a major upswing. 



    UGA vs the top 25..

    • 2008- 3-3
    • 2009- 1-3
    • 2010- 0-4

    Yep, certainly looks like they are on their way back!

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ugadog99:

    Its the truth and u will realize soon Boise should not be on the same field with UGA.


    Worst. Comment. Ever. 

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    Its the truth and u will realize soon Boise should not be on the same field with UGA.


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