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    OHIO STATE DISGUISES WAIVER AS PLEDGE, REFUSES TO SHARE VIRUS INFO!!

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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2020 - 8:01 AM ET #1

    Ohio State has made all athletes and their parents sign a "pledge" acknowledging the risks of the virus even when using CDC guidelines and that they will follow CDC/University guidelines. And that players take responsibility for their own health.

    Athletic Director Gene Smith says it's viewed more as a pledge than a legal document. Right!!

    Also, the university WILL NOT share cumulative information publicly as it may identify specific individuals.

    Does this mean?; If Fields has the virus and will not play Saturday, you will find out when the offense takes the field and at that time no specific reason will be given for his absence. Do we have to be at the airport when the team departs to Eugene Or. and check off the starting players getting on?

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    Ohio State has made all athletes and their parents sign a "pledge" acknowledging the risks of the virus even when using CDC guidelines and that they will follow CDC/University guidelines. And that players take responsibility for their own health.

    Athletic Director Gene Smith says it's viewed more as a pledge than a legal document. Right!!

    Also, the university WILL NOT share cumulative information publicly as it may identify specific individuals.

    Does this mean?; If Fields has the virus and will not play Saturday, you will find out when the offense takes the field and at that time no specific reason will be given for his absence. Do we have to be at the airport when the team departs to Eugene Or. and check off the starting players getting on?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2020 - 9:41 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Ohio State has made all athletes and their parents sign a "pledge" acknowledging the risks of the virus even when using CDC guidelines and that they will follow CDC/University guidelines. And that players take responsibility for their own health. Athletic Director Gene Smith says it's viewed more as a pledge than a legal document. Right!! Also, the university WILL NOT share cumulative information publicly as it may identify specific individuals. Does this mean?; If Fields has the virus and will not play Saturday, you will find out when the offense takes the field and at that time no specific reason will be given for his absence. Do we have to be at the airport when the team departs to Eugene Or. and check off the starting players getting on?

     

    It means that it probably does not make a lot of sense to commit too much money

    to " early " betting lines , especially if you are  betting heavy favorites .

    Pointspread risk + Covid risk + not knowing who will actually start on gameday

    makes capping and winning a lot more challenging for the Bettor than it

    does  for the Bookmakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Ohio State has made all athletes and their parents sign a "pledge" acknowledging the risks of the virus even when using CDC guidelines and that they will follow CDC/University guidelines. And that players take responsibility for their own health. Athletic Director Gene Smith says it's viewed more as a pledge than a legal document. Right!! Also, the university WILL NOT share cumulative information publicly as it may identify specific individuals. Does this mean?; If Fields has the virus and will not play Saturday, you will find out when the offense takes the field and at that time no specific reason will be given for his absence. Do we have to be at the airport when the team departs to Eugene Or. and check off the starting players getting on?

     

    It means that it probably does not make a lot of sense to commit too much money

    to " early " betting lines , especially if you are  betting heavy favorites .

    Pointspread risk + Covid risk + not knowing who will actually start on gameday

    makes capping and winning a lot more challenging for the Bettor than it

    does  for the Bookmakers.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2020 - 9:55 AM ET #3

    If I was an enterprising Bookmaker I would offer a line , with the

    caveat that Fields " must start " to be action. That way bettors

    only need to worry about 21 others not starting on gameday. an_wink

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    If I was an enterprising Bookmaker I would offer a line , with the

    caveat that Fields " must start " to be action. That way bettors

    only need to worry about 21 others not starting on gameday. an_wink

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFBbettor:

    If I was an enterprising Bookmaker I would offer a line , with the caveat that Fields " must start " to be action. That way bettors only need to worry about 21 others not starting on gameday.

    Not a bad idea for teams with a big star player. May see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFBbettor:

    If I was an enterprising Bookmaker I would offer a line , with the caveat that Fields " must start " to be action. That way bettors only need to worry about 21 others not starting on gameday.

    Not a bad idea for teams with a big star player. May see it.

     
     
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    From Buckeye fan site Eleven Warriors;

    In response to a query from Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) who described the document signed by Ohio State student-athletes as a “liability waiver,” Drake – who concluded his tenure as Ohio State president on Tuesday but is still the chairman of the NCAA's Board of Governors – refuted that description and, as athletic director Gene Smith and other Ohio State representatives have said previously, said the Buckeye Pledge will not used as a legal waiver for the university.

    “They did not sign a liability waiver. That's not true. It's a pledge that all of our students are going to be signing to basically follow the good public health guidelines that you and I and everyone should follow to help protect us against the pandemic,” Drake said. “In fact, the guidelines are exactly parallel to the CDC-issued guidelines that came out just yesterday. And what the pledge says is that you'll wear a mask when you're in public, you'll wash your hands, you'll keep six feet of distance and if you become ill, you'll report this to people to allow you to be protected.

    “Specifically in the pledge, it says that whether or not you participate will not affect your scholarship, so it's a pledge not a waiver, which I would not support.”

    Upon further questioning about the Buckeye Pledge from Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) – who introduced legislation along with fellow Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) on Tuesday that would prohibit athletes from being required to sign liability waivers related to COVID-19 – Drake said “I don't support a waiver or an assumption of risk in a legal sense” and said Ohio State has not asked its athletes to waive any legal rights by signing the pledge.

    So it is not a waiver after all. Interesting Congress is introducing legislation to prohibit waivers.

    Full article; https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2020/07/114874/president-emeritus-michael-drake-says-buckeye-pledge-will-not-be-used-as-legal-waiver-at-senate-subcommittee-hearing

    I believe the Illinois Football Program had players sign waivers.

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    From Buckeye fan site Eleven Warriors;

    In response to a query from Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) who described the document signed by Ohio State student-athletes as a “liability waiver,” Drake – who concluded his tenure as Ohio State president on Tuesday but is still the chairman of the NCAA's Board of Governors – refuted that description and, as athletic director Gene Smith and other Ohio State representatives have said previously, said the Buckeye Pledge will not used as a legal waiver for the university.

    “They did not sign a liability waiver. That's not true. It's a pledge that all of our students are going to be signing to basically follow the good public health guidelines that you and I and everyone should follow to help protect us against the pandemic,” Drake said. “In fact, the guidelines are exactly parallel to the CDC-issued guidelines that came out just yesterday. And what the pledge says is that you'll wear a mask when you're in public, you'll wash your hands, you'll keep six feet of distance and if you become ill, you'll report this to people to allow you to be protected.

    “Specifically in the pledge, it says that whether or not you participate will not affect your scholarship, so it's a pledge not a waiver, which I would not support.”

    Upon further questioning about the Buckeye Pledge from Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) – who introduced legislation along with fellow Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) on Tuesday that would prohibit athletes from being required to sign liability waivers related to COVID-19 – Drake said “I don't support a waiver or an assumption of risk in a legal sense” and said Ohio State has not asked its athletes to waive any legal rights by signing the pledge.

    So it is not a waiver after all. Interesting Congress is introducing legislation to prohibit waivers.

    Full article; https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2020/07/114874/president-emeritus-michael-drake-says-buckeye-pledge-will-not-be-used-as-legal-waiver-at-senate-subcommittee-hearing

    I believe the Illinois Football Program had players sign waivers.

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