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#26
wagerfund - Thats what i've read also. I didn't say otherwise.
Taylor Mays and K. Ellison are 5 times better than OSU' Coleman and Russell, i'd say.
OHIO ST / USC BREAKDOWN
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#27
Kane,
Oh, sorry man...You just said that neither secondary is anything special and I disagreed. I think the weakness for USC at this point is the line and that's because they're fairly young. The real strength of the USC D is their back 7 (LB's and DB's).
Either way, I think it's going to be a great match up. I tend to disagree and laugh with those that say USC speed or Ohio State's size is going to be a factor in this game. Both have speed and both are plenty big enough to be on the field together. You don't go two these programs unless you can play against the big boys.
I personally think USC is the deeper team, it's being played in LA and Pete Carroll tends to do his best coaching jobs in situations like this. USC by 7+ (I think..LOL)
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#28
Quote Originally Posted by wagerfund:
Kane,
Oh, sorry man...You just said that neither secondary is anything special and I disagreed. I think the weakness for USC at this point is the line and that's because they're fairly young. The real strength of the USC D is their back 7 (LB's and DB's).
Either way, I think it's going to be a great match up. I tend to disagree and laugh with those that say USC speed or Ohio State's size is going to be a factor in this game. Both have speed and both are plenty big enough to be on the field together. You don't go two these programs unless you can play against the big boys.
I personally think USC is the deeper team, it's being played in LA and Pete Carroll tends to do his best coaching jobs in situations like this. USC by 7+ (I think..LOL)
While I do agree with you on the secondary of the Trojans, I disagree with size and speed doesnt matyter..I fyou have been the biggest and strongest, or the fastest and most aggresive ,on the field on saturday ,then when you face someone who is just as big or just as fast you will have problems executing..I think USC young O line is still suspect..Sanchez hasent had to deal with a D like Ohio States ever..And I think the young talent on O for the Buckeyes has NEVER seen a D as agressive and fast as USC's..I think Size ans Speed if a factor, maybe not to determine the whole outcome of a game, but it will be a factor..Lets not forget these are 2 reletivly young teams..Alot of 2year guys out year..GL thoiugh either way.
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#29
More and more, i'm leaning on the Over. And becoming less confident with OSU.
Both teams will run. But when it comes to the air game i'm really feeling for the USC slots and flankers. Patrick Turner, Hazelton, Ronald Johnson does hold an advantage over the OSU DB's. This is where OSU will get buried, i think.
Lawrence Jackson is in Seattle with the Seahawks and Sedrick Ellis is in New Orleans with the Saints. Everson Griffen will be just as good of a pass rusher as Lawrence Jackson was, but Averell Spicer is a slight downgrade over last season's nose-tackle. Regardless, its going to be a tough day for Wells, Saine, and Herron and OSU's O-Line.
Still liking the Over though. I don't see OSU getting less than 3 scores. Robiskie and Hartline will find a way to contribute down the field.
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#30
If you have size AND speed vs. someone who only has size or only has speed then it makes a difference, but you are talking about two of the premier programs in the country with premier players across the board. Of course executing is going to be an issue simply because the players across from you are just as talented and well coached as you are. In the end this game will be much more complicated then Beanie Wells being a 245lb running back facing our 260lb middle LB'er. It will be won with coaching, game plan, execution and a likely a lucky bounce of the ball here or there.
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#32
Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:
More and more, i'm leaning on the Over. And becoming less confident with OSU.
Both teams will run. But when it comes to the air game i'm really feeling for the USC slots and flankers. Patrick Turner, Hazelton, Ronald Johnson does hold an advantage over the OSU DB's. This is where OSU will get buried, i think.
Lawrence Jackson is in Seattle with the Seahawks and Sedrick Ellis is in New Orleans with the Saints. Everson Griffen will be just as good of a pass rusher as Lawrence Jackson was, but Averell Spicer is a slight downgrade over last season's nose-tackle. Regardless, its going to be a tough day for Wells, Saine, and Herron and OSU's O-Line.
Still liking the Over though. I don't see OSU getting less than 3 scores. Robiskie and Hartline will find a way to contribute down the field.
Really? I would have leaned UNDER because of the defenses, Ohio State likely wanting to grind it out and USC's youth on offense. But hell, I'm much better talking about college football then wagering it...LOL. Either way, best of luck.
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#34
Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:
Terrelle Pryor - Can't wait to see this guy in full starting gear myself. Not Daunte Culpepper big, but he could be way better in terms of accuracy and speed.
The strength of both teams is up front. Both secondary's are nothing special but OSU's Malcom Jenkins is a game-breaking nickel defender. Otherwise the rest of the OSU nickel package is bland, particularly the safety positions.
I wouldn't underestimate Robiskie and Hartline. They're not brand-name receivers but they get the job done and are probably the most experienced in the conference.
I haven't look at the Trojans O-Line yet but it'll be interesting to see how Sanchez will do w/o Sam Baker against this OSU defense.
Sorry man, the secondary of USC is scary. You have 2 safties who average 230 lbs and will be NFL guys. Pete Carroll says its the best secondary he's ever had.
Scary to think they have two safeties who average 230 lbs. OSU's? One guy is 188 lbs, the other 205 lbs. The more I think about it, the more I think Sanchez has a field day with OSU's secondary. God, I'm starting to think USC -10.5 is the play! I'll eventually talk myself into taking USC.
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#35
Quote Originally Posted by wagerfund:
Kane,
Oh, sorry man...You just said that neither secondary is anything special and I disagreed. I think the weakness for USC at this point is the line and that's because they're fairly young. The real strength of the USC D is their back 7 (LB's and DB's).
Either way, I think it's going to be a great match up. I tend to disagree and laugh with those that say USC speed or Ohio State's size is going to be a factor in this game. Both have speed and both are plenty big enough to be on the field together. You don't go two these programs unless you can play against the big boys.
I personally think USC is the deeper team, it's being played in LA and Pete Carroll tends to do his best coaching jobs in situations like this. USC by 7+ (I think..LOL)
Uh, have you seen OSU play vs. Florida and LSU? Speed, speed, speed. Just because OSU is a big program doesn't mean they have a lot of speed. They recruit differently than say USC, UF, LSU. The SEC and Pac-10 loves speed.
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#36
Quote Originally Posted by HappyKane:
More and more, i'm leaning on the Over. And becoming less confident with OSU.
Both teams will run. But when it comes to the air game i'm really feeling for the USC slots and flankers. Patrick Turner, Hazelton, Ronald Johnson does hold an advantage over the OSU DB's. This is where OSU will get buried, i think.
Lawrence Jackson is in Seattle with the Seahawks and Sedrick Ellis is in New Orleans with the Saints. Everson Griffen will be just as good of a pass rusher as Lawrence Jackson was, but Averell Spicer is a slight downgrade over last season's nose-tackle. Regardless, its going to be a tough day for Wells, Saine, and Herron and OSU's O-Line.
Still liking the Over though. I don't see OSU getting less than 3 scores. Robiskie and Hartline will find a way to contribute down the field.
I agree with you here. USC's receiver might have a field day against OSU's secondary. Just look at the size difference. I was shocked at the disparity.
And USC main weakness on defense is the d-line. The middle of the line is the weak part. Griffen will be an all-american, and better than Lawrence Jackson. But Spicer is questionable. He shows flashes of greatness. But he's not Ellis.
Easy money to bet USC get em early before the spread blows up
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#38
Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
Uh, have you seen OSU play vs. Florida and LSU? Speed, speed, speed. Just because OSU is a big program doesn't mean they have a lot of speed. They recruit differently than say USC, UF, LSU. The SEC and Pac-10 loves speed.
I'm a USC guy, but sorry, I just don't buy that USC is that much faster then OSU. We don't really have a speed burner at wide out beyond RoJo and you aren't going to consider him a track guy. McKnight has nice wheels but is no Bush in that department and beyond that their isn't a RB that will run away from you. Griffen on the D-Line is very quick and our LB's are very quick beyond Cushing who has average speed. Taylor Mays is actually our big speed guy and he is a safety. Honestly, you can't even say that our CB's are speed burners. The whole team can run, but their isn't a holy crap guy on the team that plays significant time.
As for OSU vs. LSU (LSU home game) and Florida (FLA D-line and Tebow blew up that game) the speed thing is just a general statement. Hell, that same Florida team that crushed OSU got beat by Michigan the following year in a bowl game. The combination of speed AND size kills..both teams have plenty of both.
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#41
Heres how i see the 2 teams...
QB slight advantage USC
RB advantage OSU (healthy Wells)
Offense line about even
wr advantage USC
Deffense line about even
linebackers advantage OSU
d/backs Big Advantage USC
kicking game advantage OSU
Home Field advantage USC (lol)
The key to this game Game is the Buckeyes DBs have to shut down the USC wr, but i just dont see it, Buckeyes are smaller then USC wr .
Prediction OSU 16
USC 43
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#43
Guys, the USC teams of 2004-05 were among the best teams ever in CFB. And they did lose a home area game to Texas in the Rose right? This team is not even close to the talent level of the 2005 team, you had several top picks, you had Leinhart and Bush who were among the best ever at their positions. Don't really see that for USC this year, they are hyped as usual, but these are the same guys that lost to A Pathetic Stanford team, last year, and an Oregon team that was basically the QB and little else.
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#45
Mugg, some joker said that this was USC's best team ever, which was wrong, and they will be unlikely to be the best ever either. Oregon collapsed once they lost Dixon last year, BTW, losing to average teams like Zona, ORG st and UCLA, this is an Oregon team that did beat USC last year, along with the powerhouse Stanford team.
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#46
Quote Originally Posted by westcoastTrojan:
First off, Mark Sanchez is the real deal. I've been waiting 6 years to see him fulfill his potential. I'll say it again....He is way more talented than Carson Palmer ever was.
This one comes down to whether USC can block for Sanchez. If they do, its game over.
yes and yes...
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#48
Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:
Mugg, some joker said that this was USC's best team ever, which was wrong, and they will be unlikely to be the best ever either. Oregon collapsed once they lost Dixon last year, BTW, losing to average teams like Zona, ORG st and UCLA, this is an Oregon team that did beat USC last year, along with the powerhouse Stanford team.
Who in the hell said this was USC's best team ever? Making shit up again to difflect a question lobbed your way?
And boy do people love to bring up the fact that USC lost to Stanford and Oregon, but crushed an Illini team who beat OSU. Hmmmm.......
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#49
I'm a Big 12 guy, surprise surprise, and haven't been impressed with OSU in the last 2 years. They play small tune up games, then run the table in the "BIG 10" which isn't very big this year, and everyone is creaming their jeans for them.
Admittedly they have good players at skill positions on both sides of the ball, but so does everyone else.
I'm definately not a USC kool-aid drinker, but IMO this is going to be over by half time. USC should absolutely destroy this team by 30+ points.
OSU is ranked 5 based on reputation only, not ability. They struggled against OHIO who lost to Wyoming by only 1 point. I was at that game in Laramie and OHIO wasn't that impressive. The punt return for a TD last week was in part due to a blatent block in the back, there were actually 2, that wasn't called. Had they called that penalty, there is a reasonable argument that OHIO mau have rallied to win.
I'm thinking the over at 43 and it's free money USC-10.5, all the way to the bank. For this weekend only, I'll be a USC fan!!!
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#50
Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:
Guys, the USC teams of 2004-05 were among the best teams ever in CFB. And they did lose a home area game to Texas in the Rose right? This team is not even close to the talent level of the 2005 team, you had several top picks, you had Leinhart and Bush who were among the best ever at their positions. Don't really see that for USC this year, they are hyped as usual, but these are the same guys that lost to A Pathetic Stanford team, last year, and an Oregon team that was basically the QB and little else.
I wouldn't be so sure. While I think it's very premature to say that this team is better or worse than the 2005 team (as they've only played one game), the depth of this 2008 team is much better than the 2005 team. Offensively, they have 5-6 receivers and rushers who can make plays for them. And I would venture to say that this defense is the best OVERALL TEAM defense they've put on the field since Pete Carroll has been there.
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