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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:29 AM ET #76

    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:


    No you won't. If you miss the first you are down by nine. 2 point conversion gets you nothing. Think before you yell and abuse

    please read all the posts before you criticize 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:


    No you won't. If you miss the first you are down by nine. 2 point conversion gets you nothing. Think before you yell and abuse

    please read all the posts before you criticize 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:31 AM ET #77

    see post 72 mr box
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    see post 72 mr box
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:33 AM ET #78

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    No your math is off. If you fail you do not have to do it again, you will know that you need 2 possessions, 1 TD+1FG or 2 TDs but no 2 pt conversion attempt since you are down 9. Pushing it off and failing the 2 pt conversion on the 2nd TD leaves you with no time to get another possession because you didn't game plan the need to have another possession.

    This is my stance reworded. Honest question (not being sarcastic) did you not understand this to be my contention this whole time?

    read post 72.. literacy overrated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    No your math is off. If you fail you do not have to do it again, you will know that you need 2 possessions, 1 TD+1FG or 2 TDs but no 2 pt conversion attempt since you are down 9. Pushing it off and failing the 2 pt conversion on the 2nd TD leaves you with no time to get another possession because you didn't game plan the need to have another possession.

    This is my stance reworded. Honest question (not being sarcastic) did you not understand this to be my contention this whole time?

    read post 72.. literacy overrated?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:36 AM ET #79

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    Team A has the ball with 5 minutes to go... they are down by 15 pts.. they score a td... now they are down by 9... you kick the extra point which is easier to do than going for a 2 point conversion... 96% success rate as opposed to 40-50%... you kick off... team b gets the ball... you are now down by 8 points. play defense and pin them in their own territory... you get the ball back... now you have no choice but to go for 2 pt conversion if you score( 40-50% success rate.).. 2 possessions is more realistic than 3 possessions if you fail the 2 point conversion... why on GODS green earth would you try a 2 point conversion that early in the game? so you now know you will need 2 more possessions(per steve spurrier)?????  not very smart.. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you will need 2 more possessions.. so play it safe and KICK THE EXTRA POINT.. how is this difficult???

    We are on 2 different wavelengths here. My point is that you need to succeed in converting ONE 2 pt conversion at some point. If you have a 60% chance of failing I'd rather fail with 5 minutes knowing I need to claw scratch tooth nail etc to get 2 possessions rather than fail with seconds to go and no chance of getting the ball back. If you assume you are going to make the conversion on TD #2 then you could also assume you make it during TD #1. The goal is to win not lose by the least amount. Losing by 2 pts is the same result as losing by 9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    Team A has the ball with 5 minutes to go... they are down by 15 pts.. they score a td... now they are down by 9... you kick the extra point which is easier to do than going for a 2 point conversion... 96% success rate as opposed to 40-50%... you kick off... team b gets the ball... you are now down by 8 points. play defense and pin them in their own territory... you get the ball back... now you have no choice but to go for 2 pt conversion if you score( 40-50% success rate.).. 2 possessions is more realistic than 3 possessions if you fail the 2 point conversion... why on GODS green earth would you try a 2 point conversion that early in the game? so you now know you will need 2 more possessions(per steve spurrier)?????  not very smart.. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you will need 2 more possessions.. so play it safe and KICK THE EXTRA POINT.. how is this difficult???

    We are on 2 different wavelengths here. My point is that you need to succeed in converting ONE 2 pt conversion at some point. If you have a 60% chance of failing I'd rather fail with 5 minutes knowing I need to claw scratch tooth nail etc to get 2 possessions rather than fail with seconds to go and no chance of getting the ball back. If you assume you are going to make the conversion on TD #2 then you could also assume you make it during TD #1. The goal is to win not lose by the least amount. Losing by 2 pts is the same result as losing by 9
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:38 AM ET #80

    I was typing that before you posted so I never read your retraction. Different than reading comprehension or lack there of
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    I was typing that before you posted so I never read your retraction. Different than reading comprehension or lack there of
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:40 AM ET #81

    so you are saying you would rather fail early with 5 minutes left... so now Team A is down by 9 pts with 5 minutes to go... I need to get the ball back asap and score... then get the ball back again after i score... 5 minutes left in the game and I need 2 possessions... is this what you're  saying?
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    so you are saying you would rather fail early with 5 minutes left... so now Team A is down by 9 pts with 5 minutes to go... I need to get the ball back asap and score... then get the ball back again after i score... 5 minutes left in the game and I need 2 possessions... is this what you're  saying?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:43 AM ET #82

    Post 72 had not appeared when I responded. This is a hot topic!

    But you do yell and clearly posted before thinking

    But your logic is flawed. Kicking the first one indeed keeps it a one possession game until later. But it is an eight point possession so you are not comparing like for like. It's not as simple as two versus one

    The only question is are you improving your chances ultimately of a WIN? And we need stats and prob to address that, not words
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    Post 72 had not appeared when I responded. This is a hot topic!

    But you do yell and clearly posted before thinking

    But your logic is flawed. Kicking the first one indeed keeps it a one possession game until later. But it is an eight point possession so you are not comparing like for like. It's not as simple as two versus one

    The only question is are you improving your chances ultimately of a WIN? And we need stats and prob to address that, not words
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:45 AM ET #83

    time is not on your side... you are at a major disadvantage.. have you ever seen an "in game Live Betting"... you know what the odds are if team A is losing by 9 with 5 minutes left.. Bookmaker had it up... it was close to 30:1 ( i don't remember the exact number)... watch the live betting... you might learn something about gambling and statistics.. 
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    time is not on your side... you are at a major disadvantage.. have you ever seen an "in game Live Betting"... you know what the odds are if team A is losing by 9 with 5 minutes left.. Bookmaker had it up... it was close to 30:1 ( i don't remember the exact number)... watch the live betting... you might learn something about gambling and statistics.. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:49 AM ET #84

    Yes because it leaves me with some options (though terrible options) rather than no options if I fail after the 2nd TD. The hypothetical scenario assumes the same result when the 2 pt conversion is attempted. You cannot compare missing the 1st attempt vs making the 2nd as that is not apples to apples. Again others have pointed out that morale and momentum are critical and I didn't overlook that and agree they are, BUT felt that going for 2 can be a viewed as a viable option depending on variables. After further thought the variables in THIS circumstance were bad defense, bad coach etc.. So maybe not a great call HERE. But this debate evolved into the idea of going for it on the 1st try in general.

    Excuse any lack of punctuation - on a tablet
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    Yes because it leaves me with some options (though terrible options) rather than no options if I fail after the 2nd TD. The hypothetical scenario assumes the same result when the 2 pt conversion is attempted. You cannot compare missing the 1st attempt vs making the 2nd as that is not apples to apples. Again others have pointed out that morale and momentum are critical and I didn't overlook that and agree they are, BUT felt that going for 2 can be a viewed as a viable option depending on variables. After further thought the variables in THIS circumstance were bad defense, bad coach etc.. So maybe not a great call HERE. But this debate evolved into the idea of going for it on the 1st try in general.

    Excuse any lack of punctuation - on a tablet
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:51 AM ET #85

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    time is not on your side... you are at a major disadvantage.. have you ever seen an "in game Live Betting"... you know what the odds are if team A is losing by 9 with 5 minutes left.. Bookmaker had it up... it was close to 30:1 ( i don't remember the exact number)... watch the live betting... you might learn something about gambling and statistics.. 

    The odds of winning when down by 9 with 5 minutes left is MUCH MUCH better than being down by 2 with 30 seconds. That is the crux of the debate. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    time is not on your side... you are at a major disadvantage.. have you ever seen an "in game Live Betting"... you know what the odds are if team A is losing by 9 with 5 minutes left.. Bookmaker had it up... it was close to 30:1 ( i don't remember the exact number)... watch the live betting... you might learn something about gambling and statistics.. 

    The odds of winning when down by 9 with 5 minutes left is MUCH MUCH better than being down by 2 with 30 seconds. That is the crux of the debate. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:52 AM ET #86

    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

    Post 72 had not appeared when I responded. This is a hot topic!

    But you do yell and clearly posted before thinking

    But your logic is flawed. Kicking the first one indeed keeps it a one possession game until later. But it is an eight point possession so you are not comparing like for like. It's not as simple as two versus one

    The only question is are you improving your chances ultimately of a WIN? And we need stats and prob to address that, not words

    Jules..

    Watch an in game live betting... download the software.. I use bookmaker... the book calculates the odds and probability and sets THEIR LINE... I'm done with this subject... Maybe Vanzack can chime in on this subject... He's a covers poster who's been around here and can help you guys out...I tried... 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

    Post 72 had not appeared when I responded. This is a hot topic!

    But you do yell and clearly posted before thinking

    But your logic is flawed. Kicking the first one indeed keeps it a one possession game until later. But it is an eight point possession so you are not comparing like for like. It's not as simple as two versus one

    The only question is are you improving your chances ultimately of a WIN? And we need stats and prob to address that, not words

    Jules..

    Watch an in game live betting... download the software.. I use bookmaker... the book calculates the odds and probability and sets THEIR LINE... I'm done with this subject... Maybe Vanzack can chime in on this subject... He's a covers poster who's been around here and can help you guys out...I tried... 


     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 2:57 AM ET #87

    Yes check in game betting and see if down by 9 with 5 minutes left is worse than down by 2 with 30 seconds left. 

    This just in: water is wet
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    Yes check in game betting and see if down by 9 with 5 minutes left is worse than down by 2 with 30 seconds left. 

    This just in: water is wet
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:00 AM ET #88

    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:

    Yes check in game betting and see if down by 9 with 5 minutes left is worse than down by 2 with 30 seconds left. 

    This just in: water is wet

    I tried to refrain from insulting you but you are too dumb to insult... seriously.. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:

    Yes check in game betting and see if down by 9 with 5 minutes left is worse than down by 2 with 30 seconds left. 

    This just in: water is wet

    I tried to refrain from insulting you but you are too dumb to insult... seriously.. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:03 AM ET #89

    I'm guessing you lost a lot on Ark state... don't bet the 401k son.. that pretty lil wife of yours will leave you if you blow the family nest.. the dog will leave too.. 
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    I'm guessing you lost a lot on Ark state... don't bet the 401k son.. that pretty lil wife of yours will leave you if you blow the family nest.. the dog will leave too.. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:10 AM ET #90

    You have refrained from insulting me??? Are their 2 people posting under your handle? You've been acting like a child this whole thread and when someone dishes anything back you get offended. This has been thoroughly entertaining. Call me dumb I don't care. I've been wrong before and was more than capable of being able to admit it when it happened. You have not been able to support your reason why you are right. You just keep saying being down by 9 with 5 minutes to go is not advantageous which is not the full picture of the debate. You just don't get it and I know I won't be able to get you see any other way with your tunnel vision. 

    Good day sir
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    You have refrained from insulting me??? Are their 2 people posting under your handle? You've been acting like a child this whole thread and when someone dishes anything back you get offended. This has been thoroughly entertaining. Call me dumb I don't care. I've been wrong before and was more than capable of being able to admit it when it happened. You have not been able to support your reason why you are right. You just keep saying being down by 9 with 5 minutes to go is not advantageous which is not the full picture of the debate. You just don't get it and I know I won't be able to get you see any other way with your tunnel vision. 

    Good day sir
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:14 AM ET #91

    Ok try this....

    Down by 15 with 5 to go

    The following all have to occur in some order

    TD
    1 point conversion
    Stop
    TD
    2 point conversion
    OT win

    Show me how the odds differ depending on the order they happen?

    The outcome is decided earlier if you try and miss the 2 points early

    But FROM the point at which you make the decision the odds are the same

    The difference is if you try the order listed above you have NO recourse if the late 2 pointer is missed
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    Ok try this....

    Down by 15 with 5 to go

    The following all have to occur in some order

    TD
    1 point conversion
    Stop
    TD
    2 point conversion
    OT win

    Show me how the odds differ depending on the order they happen?

    The outcome is decided earlier if you try and miss the 2 points early

    But FROM the point at which you make the decision the odds are the same

    The difference is if you try the order listed above you have NO recourse if the late 2 pointer is missed
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:14 AM ET #92

    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    I'm guessing you lost a lot on Ark state... don't bet the 401k son.. that pretty lil wife of yours will leave you if you blow the family nest.. the dog will leave too.. 

    Broke even (lost minimal vig). Lost on ark st, won on the over and won on ark st TT 1H. I get frustrated with bad beats and poor coaching, playing etc but would not allow emotions to cloud my thoughts on "ideology" so to speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Day-trader1:

    I'm guessing you lost a lot on Ark state... don't bet the 401k son.. that pretty lil wife of yours will leave you if you blow the family nest.. the dog will leave too.. 

    Broke even (lost minimal vig). Lost on ark st, won on the over and won on ark st TT 1H. I get frustrated with bad beats and poor coaching, playing etc but would not allow emotions to cloud my thoughts on "ideology" so to speak
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

    Ok try this....

    Down by 15 with 5 to go

    The following all have to occur in some order

    TD
    1 point conversion
    Stop
    TD
    2 point conversion
    OT win

    Show me how the odds differ depending on the order they happen?

    The outcome is decided earlier if you try and miss the 2 points early

    But FROM the point at which you make the decision the odds are the same

    The difference is if you try the order listed above you have NO recourse if the late 2 pointer is missed

    Bingo this is exactly my point. All easy to say were the 2 experiments played in a vacuum. Others have rightfully pointed out other factors which may make these optional decisions. But to make a fair comparison you have to assume the same results in both cases. Making the 2 pt conversion early vs later has same result but missing both would be a 100% death blow for the latter miss vs an earlier one.

    One could actually say making the 2 pt earlier is better because you have the opportunity to (stupidly) go for the win on the 2nd try. But I am not saying that is advisable before I get accused of being related to the ark st coach again  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julespussy:

    Ok try this....

    Down by 15 with 5 to go

    The following all have to occur in some order

    TD
    1 point conversion
    Stop
    TD
    2 point conversion
    OT win

    Show me how the odds differ depending on the order they happen?

    The outcome is decided earlier if you try and miss the 2 points early

    But FROM the point at which you make the decision the odds are the same

    The difference is if you try the order listed above you have NO recourse if the late 2 pointer is missed

    Bingo this is exactly my point. All easy to say were the 2 experiments played in a vacuum. Others have rightfully pointed out other factors which may make these optional decisions. But to make a fair comparison you have to assume the same results in both cases. Making the 2 pt conversion early vs later has same result but missing both would be a 100% death blow for the latter miss vs an earlier one.

    One could actually say making the 2 pt earlier is better because you have the opportunity to (stupidly) go for the win on the 2nd try. But I am not saying that is advisable before I get accused of being related to the ark st coach again  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:29 AM ET #94

    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    You have an opinion and a reason for believing in it (you are ahead of the game right there alone). I respect that and am not saying you are wrong and I am right. My example before of cheeseburgers vs pizza is more my point. My opinion was perhaps from a "logic in a vacuum" standpoint. But momentum and morale are not in a vacuum and should not be discounted. So on a well coached team with properly motivated players, going for 2 MIGHT be an ok idea. But this team has terrible coaching and and really stupid players. Now fake punt at your own 6. That is just Batsh!t crazy level.


    I won't disagree with you, if you want to say it could have been a good idea... (if it had worked out)... but the title of your thread and the premise is that it is the "correct" thing to do, and not doing it is the "incorrect" thing to do...

    I think the best you can argue is that it is a 50/50 scenario... which basically just gets back to the idea that: whenever you decide to go for 2, it's brilliant, as long as you are successful!


    I guess my point is... if you get the XP in that spot, you automatically make it a 1 possession game... whereas, if you go for 2 and fail, it's still a 2 possession game, which is what it was before you scored the TD.  Since you are in desparation "come-from-behind" mode, every possession is what matters, because time is against you.


    It's all moot, because there was just no way Ark St was winning that game... they couldn't stop ULL, and if Ark St had made it a 7 point (or 8 point) game, ULL would have just come back down and scored another TD... there was never a point where Ark St had figured out how to keep ULL from scoring, and scoring fast!

    Best case scenario, Ark St still loses in OT...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JLourenco:


    You have an opinion and a reason for believing in it (you are ahead of the game right there alone). I respect that and am not saying you are wrong and I am right. My example before of cheeseburgers vs pizza is more my point. My opinion was perhaps from a "logic in a vacuum" standpoint. But momentum and morale are not in a vacuum and should not be discounted. So on a well coached team with properly motivated players, going for 2 MIGHT be an ok idea. But this team has terrible coaching and and really stupid players. Now fake punt at your own 6. That is just Batsh!t crazy level.


    I won't disagree with you, if you want to say it could have been a good idea... (if it had worked out)... but the title of your thread and the premise is that it is the "correct" thing to do, and not doing it is the "incorrect" thing to do...

    I think the best you can argue is that it is a 50/50 scenario... which basically just gets back to the idea that: whenever you decide to go for 2, it's brilliant, as long as you are successful!


    I guess my point is... if you get the XP in that spot, you automatically make it a 1 possession game... whereas, if you go for 2 and fail, it's still a 2 possession game, which is what it was before you scored the TD.  Since you are in desparation "come-from-behind" mode, every possession is what matters, because time is against you.


    It's all moot, because there was just no way Ark St was winning that game... they couldn't stop ULL, and if Ark St had made it a 7 point (or 8 point) game, ULL would have just come back down and scored another TD... there was never a point where Ark St had figured out how to keep ULL from scoring, and scoring fast!

    Best case scenario, Ark St still loses in OT...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2014 - 3:45 AM ET #95

    Before they scored that TD I got to thinking they should go for 2 right away if they score so they will know they need to get 2 possessions rather than just 1. I started the thread to offer a counterpoint to everyone and the mullet headed announcer disagreeing with the premise. Most people respond with "you don't do it because you just don't" that kind of response always bothered me and I've been know to play devils advocate from time to time just to draw out opposing views. In general I still would support going for 2 assuming decent conditions (<> horrific coaching / defense et)

    Again that is me being analytical thinking the result of the 2 pt is predetermined so find out what it is earlier to better position yourself the rest of the game. Yes I agree that being down 8 Is preferable to being down 9 with 5 minutes left but being down 2 with 30 seconds is a death blow no questions asked. And it is not fair to assume that the 2 pt is going to be missed and being down 9 is in fact the outcome 100%. Hind sight is always 20/20. I shouldn't have bet ark st but that is easy for me to say now


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    Before they scored that TD I got to thinking they should go for 2 right away if they score so they will know they need to get 2 possessions rather than just 1. I started the thread to offer a counterpoint to everyone and the mullet headed announcer disagreeing with the premise. Most people respond with "you don't do it because you just don't" that kind of response always bothered me and I've been know to play devils advocate from time to time just to draw out opposing views. In general I still would support going for 2 assuming decent conditions (<> horrific coaching / defense et)

    Again that is me being analytical thinking the result of the 2 pt is predetermined so find out what it is earlier to better position yourself the rest of the game. Yes I agree that being down 8 Is preferable to being down 9 with 5 minutes left but being down 2 with 30 seconds is a death blow no questions asked. And it is not fair to assume that the 2 pt is going to be missed and being down 9 is in fact the outcome 100%. Hind sight is always 20/20. I shouldn't have bet ark st but that is easy for me to say now


     
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    In my opinion if they get the 1 pt conversion first then the pressure would have been on ULL as the game would have been at 1 possession game being 8 points, ark state would have needed a stop and then a 2 point conversion, having missed the 2 points the game was pretty much settled still being a 2 possession game, can see both sides in this debate but getting the 1 point first making it a 1 score game would have made ULL feel the pressure. It all goes. Ack to the first extra point was missed if that was scored none of this would have been needed and what the hell was he thinking on 4th and 11 punt fake. Good luck all on weekends plays
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    In my opinion if they get the 1 pt conversion first then the pressure would have been on ULL as the game would have been at 1 possession game being 8 points, ark state would have needed a stop and then a 2 point conversion, having missed the 2 points the game was pretty much settled still being a 2 possession game, can see both sides in this debate but getting the 1 point first making it a 1 score game would have made ULL feel the pressure. It all goes. Ack to the first extra point was missed if that was scored none of this would have been needed and what the hell was he thinking on 4th and 11 punt fake. Good luck all on weekends plays
     
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    I am only going to post once - I don't want to enter this debate because it looks heated and I don't have the energy.  So here goes.

    The original poster is 100% correct.  I did not see the game last night in question - and I do not know the specifics of that particular game - but in general if you are down by 15 with enough time to react (enough time to have 2 more possessions) you should always go for 2 after the first TD.

    You can talk about momentum all you want - but the plain and simple truth is that at the time you make or don't make the conversion - you know exactly what you need the rest of the game and proactively adjust your gameplan to give you a chance to win.  If you wait until the second TD, you cannot do anything if you miss the 2 point conversion.

    All of the intangibles like pressure and momentum are not measurable.  The only thing that is tangible is the fact that as a decision maker you always want to know what the obstacles are to success as early as possible.

    This has been discussed here before.  It is a tough and counter-intuitive concept but it is grounded in logic.

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    I am only going to post once - I don't want to enter this debate because it looks heated and I don't have the energy.  So here goes.

    The original poster is 100% correct.  I did not see the game last night in question - and I do not know the specifics of that particular game - but in general if you are down by 15 with enough time to react (enough time to have 2 more possessions) you should always go for 2 after the first TD.

    You can talk about momentum all you want - but the plain and simple truth is that at the time you make or don't make the conversion - you know exactly what you need the rest of the game and proactively adjust your gameplan to give you a chance to win.  If you wait until the second TD, you cannot do anything if you miss the 2 point conversion.

    All of the intangibles like pressure and momentum are not measurable.  The only thing that is tangible is the fact that as a decision maker you always want to know what the obstacles are to success as early as possible.

    This has been discussed here before.  It is a tough and counter-intuitive concept but it is grounded in logic.

     
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    BTW - the goal is not to "be in it" until the final play.  The goal is to win the game, and to assume it doesn't matter how much you lose by if you are going to lose.

    The goal is not to say afterwards "we lost but we were in it til the end" - if the goal is to win - which I am assuming it is - going for 2 on the first TD gives you the best chance to do so.

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    BTW - the goal is not to "be in it" until the final play.  The goal is to win the game, and to assume it doesn't matter how much you lose by if you are going to lose.

    The goal is not to say afterwards "we lost but we were in it til the end" - if the goal is to win - which I am assuming it is - going for 2 on the first TD gives you the best chance to do so.

     
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    Van a few problems with this game.

    The coach already proved he does not make good decisions by faking a punt on his own 6 yrd line. There was less than 5 minutes left. ULL was running all over them (400+ ryds) so the chances to get the ball back twice was very very slim. Their best chance to win was OT. 

    And to add if the almighty Spurrier said punt on 1st down every other drive it doesn't mean he is right. 
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    Van a few problems with this game.

    The coach already proved he does not make good decisions by faking a punt on his own 6 yrd line. There was less than 5 minutes left. ULL was running all over them (400+ ryds) so the chances to get the ball back twice was very very slim. Their best chance to win was OT. 

    And to add if the almighty Spurrier said punt on 1st down every other drive it doesn't mean he is right. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tep:

    Van a few problems with this game.

    The coach already proved he does not make good decisions by faking a punt on his own 6 yrd line. There was less than 5 minutes left. ULL was running all over them (400+ ryds) so the chances to get the ball back twice was very very slim. Their best chance to win was OT. 

    This is 100% correct... Van is 100% incorrect, as is the original poster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tep:

    Van a few problems with this game.

    The coach already proved he does not make good decisions by faking a punt on his own 6 yrd line. There was less than 5 minutes left. ULL was running all over them (400+ ryds) so the chances to get the ball back twice was very very slim. Their best chance to win was OT. 

    This is 100% correct... Van is 100% incorrect, as is the original poster!
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