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    FSU vs Georgie Tech (w/ writeup)

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    Posted: Nov. 30, 2012 - 11:52 PM ET #26

    how many time FSU covers the spread.

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 12:31 AM ET #27

    Of the opinion FSU cannot be trusted honestly wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to lose this game. Does the D have the discipline to play assignment football? Also this team sucks on the road str8 sucks. FSU 0-5 ATS on the road this year.

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    Of the opinion FSU cannot be trusted honestly wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to lose this game. Does the D have the discipline to play assignment football? Also this team sucks on the road str8 sucks. FSU 0-5 ATS on the road this year.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 1:43 AM ET #28

    Great Write Up....

    Wheaty, If I had a buck for every time I thought a solid team was going to come off a hiccup week and "kick some behind" I would be naked in Tahiti twisting up parlays all day and not surfing this site. 

    What REALLY scares me about this game is that FSU's loss to Fla last week may have been a bummer from the naked eye, But here's what it really was.. That Loss was EVERYTHING, this was supposed to be the year that FSU returns. The play pretty sharp (very undisciplined team) and made it to the FLA game and then got punked. Now tell me how fired up is this FSU team to go out and not only beat Ga Tech, but make sure they cover the spread while they're at it?? I am dropping the hammer on Ga Tech here. I think this game will have all sorts of big plays ( Ga Tech #1 in FBS plays over 20 yds). Ga Tech has been a bit Skitzo this year (loss home to BUY and then absolutely DESTROYING NCAR at NC (and that was while UNC was in the rise a few weeks ago. I hope I don't mush your Fla Play but you asked for some insight and heres mine. That spread is simply a smidge too much for me, Teaser looks good tho (dont they all)..

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    Great Write Up....

    Wheaty, If I had a buck for every time I thought a solid team was going to come off a hiccup week and "kick some behind" I would be naked in Tahiti twisting up parlays all day and not surfing this site. 

    What REALLY scares me about this game is that FSU's loss to Fla last week may have been a bummer from the naked eye, But here's what it really was.. That Loss was EVERYTHING, this was supposed to be the year that FSU returns. The play pretty sharp (very undisciplined team) and made it to the FLA game and then got punked. Now tell me how fired up is this FSU team to go out and not only beat Ga Tech, but make sure they cover the spread while they're at it?? I am dropping the hammer on Ga Tech here. I think this game will have all sorts of big plays ( Ga Tech #1 in FBS plays over 20 yds). Ga Tech has been a bit Skitzo this year (loss home to BUY and then absolutely DESTROYING NCAR at NC (and that was while UNC was in the rise a few weeks ago. I hope I don't mush your Fla Play but you asked for some insight and heres mine. That spread is simply a smidge too much for me, Teaser looks good tho (dont they all)..

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 4:22 AM ET #29

    Stats mean nothing, johhny football destroyed alabama supposed great defensive unit. ALabama has played no one and has padded stats . THis is not the alabams team of last year. Florida state does not match up well against florida , florida is quick , this gives fsu fits trying to chase down a quicker unit. TEch will not stand a chance against this team , you were right about stating they have one of the top defenses , this unit will play to its potential on sat.
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    Stats mean nothing, johhny football destroyed alabama supposed great defensive unit. ALabama has played no one and has padded stats . THis is not the alabams team of last year. Florida state does not match up well against florida , florida is quick , this gives fsu fits trying to chase down a quicker unit. TEch will not stand a chance against this team , you were right about stating they have one of the top defenses , this unit will play to its potential on sat.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 5:29 AM ET #30

    [Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgeBailey]

    I've been following along on Covers as a reader for about 10 years and finally joined yesterday to be able to post/respond to other posts.  I felt obligated to do it after seeing a post by someone yesterday claiming that some NCAA and NFL games are fixed and did my best to explain why that argument is about as weak an argument as you can possibly make as an experienced gambler, not to mention as a thinking person.....but  digress.  Onto FSU / GT........ 

    Both teams coming off very humbling (if not embarrassing) performances last week to tough rivals.  Despite that fact, its fair to expect that both teams, given the stakes in this game and there is no "look ahead" factor to consider, should be ready to play emotionally.  

    FSU is the #1 defense in football, despite the letdown they had to FLA last week.  The loss of their stud DE Carradine in the FLA game last week, though a hit to their defense, is mitigated in my opinion by their overall strength, speed and aggressiveness as a TEAM on defense.  Their front 4 (or 7) are relentless and they have a stable full of DT/DEs, etc that they normally rotate in and out to keep fresh throughout the game and they do it as well as anyone in football.  Georgia Tech is ranked 3rd in the nation in rushing with their spread offense, but almost dead last in passing.  If they don't rush for 3,4, and 5 yeards on first down against FSU, like they've been used to doing all season against lesser opponents like Duke, NC and Maryland, they'll find themselves in 3rd and long enough times in this game and that is a receipe for disaster against FSU (against anybody obviously, but particularly against a defensive squat like FSU). 

    My only two concerns with backing FSU (but they're small concerns, honestly) are the following and I’d like to know what people here think :

     

    1)      Def Coordinator, Mark Stoops, just accepted the head coaching position at Kentucky (Tues?) and am wondering what impact, if any, people think that has on his preparation for this week’s game against FSU.  Don’t know the guy at all so not sure if he’s basically a lame duck or actually gives a garbage and will man up for this last reg season game?  Comments welcomed.

    2)      For some strange reason, I heard spread offense with a very strong running game for Georgia Tech and I couldn’t help thinking of Baylor a couple weeks ago completely embarrassing the then #1 Kansas St as almost 20 point underdogs (I remember it well as I got spanked backing K St in teasers, etc).  Kansas st was supposed to have had a decent Defense but they looked like a high school squad on the road against unranked Baylor.  Now you have a super strong defense (FSU) kind of heavily favored against yet another spread/option great running team (G Tech) and I’m a bit gun shy even though all things considered I think FSU is the better team.  Two things that are different in the FSU v GT game as compared to the K ST/Baylor fiasco is that this is on a neutral field and said field is grass (bit slower) than the track they were playing on at Baylor.  The latter might not  mean much to some folks but in my mind it means that a superfast spread offense that knows where they are going (sweeps/flips/options) is slowed down just enough and an athletic defense has more time to react/pursue.  Thoughts? 

     

    The other thing that I see going the way of FSU is that the normal kick holder (Moore) is Doubtful, Tech's place kicker is 3 for 7 in FGs ALL YEAR without a made FG over 39 yrds (not good against a terribly stingy FSU D particularly in the Red Zone), and it was reported that GT's stud tailback Orwin Smith (averaging 9yds/carry) who sat out last week against Georgia still had not practiced yesterday, despite telling reporters he thought he would be ready to go this Sat. 

     

     

    Strong write-up  - I'm not seeing how GT hangs w/this team, either. Though I love those Teasers and I'm sure I'd buy it down cause I just hate laying double-digits. Good insights, though.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgeBailey]

    I've been following along on Covers as a reader for about 10 years and finally joined yesterday to be able to post/respond to other posts.  I felt obligated to do it after seeing a post by someone yesterday claiming that some NCAA and NFL games are fixed and did my best to explain why that argument is about as weak an argument as you can possibly make as an experienced gambler, not to mention as a thinking person.....but  digress.  Onto FSU / GT........ 

    Both teams coming off very humbling (if not embarrassing) performances last week to tough rivals.  Despite that fact, its fair to expect that both teams, given the stakes in this game and there is no "look ahead" factor to consider, should be ready to play emotionally.  

    FSU is the #1 defense in football, despite the letdown they had to FLA last week.  The loss of their stud DE Carradine in the FLA game last week, though a hit to their defense, is mitigated in my opinion by their overall strength, speed and aggressiveness as a TEAM on defense.  Their front 4 (or 7) are relentless and they have a stable full of DT/DEs, etc that they normally rotate in and out to keep fresh throughout the game and they do it as well as anyone in football.  Georgia Tech is ranked 3rd in the nation in rushing with their spread offense, but almost dead last in passing.  If they don't rush for 3,4, and 5 yeards on first down against FSU, like they've been used to doing all season against lesser opponents like Duke, NC and Maryland, they'll find themselves in 3rd and long enough times in this game and that is a receipe for disaster against FSU (against anybody obviously, but particularly against a defensive squat like FSU). 

    My only two concerns with backing FSU (but they're small concerns, honestly) are the following and I’d like to know what people here think :

     

    1)      Def Coordinator, Mark Stoops, just accepted the head coaching position at Kentucky (Tues?) and am wondering what impact, if any, people think that has on his preparation for this week’s game against FSU.  Don’t know the guy at all so not sure if he’s basically a lame duck or actually gives a garbage and will man up for this last reg season game?  Comments welcomed.

    2)      For some strange reason, I heard spread offense with a very strong running game for Georgia Tech and I couldn’t help thinking of Baylor a couple weeks ago completely embarrassing the then #1 Kansas St as almost 20 point underdogs (I remember it well as I got spanked backing K St in teasers, etc).  Kansas st was supposed to have had a decent Defense but they looked like a high school squad on the road against unranked Baylor.  Now you have a super strong defense (FSU) kind of heavily favored against yet another spread/option great running team (G Tech) and I’m a bit gun shy even though all things considered I think FSU is the better team.  Two things that are different in the FSU v GT game as compared to the K ST/Baylor fiasco is that this is on a neutral field and said field is grass (bit slower) than the track they were playing on at Baylor.  The latter might not  mean much to some folks but in my mind it means that a superfast spread offense that knows where they are going (sweeps/flips/options) is slowed down just enough and an athletic defense has more time to react/pursue.  Thoughts? 

     

    The other thing that I see going the way of FSU is that the normal kick holder (Moore) is Doubtful, Tech's place kicker is 3 for 7 in FGs ALL YEAR without a made FG over 39 yrds (not good against a terribly stingy FSU D particularly in the Red Zone), and it was reported that GT's stud tailback Orwin Smith (averaging 9yds/carry) who sat out last week against Georgia still had not practiced yesterday, despite telling reporters he thought he would be ready to go this Sat. 

     

     

    Strong write-up  - I'm not seeing how GT hangs w/this team, either. Though I love those Teasers and I'm sure I'd buy it down cause I just hate laying double-digits. Good insights, though.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 5:30 AM ET #31

    Sorry, quoting got screwed up: here's an easier format to read.

     

    Strong write-up - I'm not seeing how GT hangs w/this team, either. Though I love those Teasers and I'm sure I'd buy it down cause I just hate laying double-digits. Good insights, though.

    Strong write-up - I'm not seeing how GT hangs w/this team, either. Though I love those Teasers and I'm sure I'd buy it down cause I just hate laying double-digits. Good insights, though.

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    Sorry, quoting got screwed up: here's an easier format to read.

     

    Strong write-up - I'm not seeing how GT hangs w/this team, either. Though I love those Teasers and I'm sure I'd buy it down cause I just hate laying double-digits. Good insights, though.

    Strong write-up - I'm not seeing how GT hangs w/this team, either. Though I love those Teasers and I'm sure I'd buy it down cause I just hate laying double-digits. Good insights, though.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 6:21 AM ET #32

    Jesus, I'm a retard...sorry, computer's tripping out.
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 7:25 AM ET #33

    be concerned anytime you see a Stoops on your side...just ask Boise State, ND and a few others...
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 7:50 AM ET #34

    if g tech doesnt turn the ball over and can score 2 tds today, they will cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paisan77:

    Great Write Up....

    Wheaty, If I had a buck for every time I thought a solid team was going to come off a hiccup week and "kick some behind" I would be naked in Tahiti twisting up parlays all day and not surfing this site. 

    ,lol  i think   i  will arrive  before  you,goooooooooood  jokes 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paisan77:

    Great Write Up....

    Wheaty, If I had a buck for every time I thought a solid team was going to come off a hiccup week and "kick some behind" I would be naked in Tahiti twisting up parlays all day and not surfing this site. 

    ,lol  i think   i  will arrive  before  you,goooooooooood  jokes 

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 9:35 AM ET #36

    Not so fast......  Has anyone seen how easy it is to score on GT? I can see the Noles hangin 50 on the Jackets....   

    Observation: Good defenses have shut GT offense down, Georgia held them to 10, only 3 on first team D, and a garbage td against 3rd team.....   BYU similar holding them to 17, again one garbage td. Both teams won by average of 30+. It's also worth noting that against those D's the totals were 52 and 58. That number is short of todays total. So the question becomes; Does FSU have a good defense or not? If you think FSU D is up to it, you gotta lay the chalk, if not, you gotta play the over. The argument for the over and not taking the points is: FSU COULD blow GT out, you would lose with the points.... BUT you would cash the over. The OVER is the better play IMHO in that case.

    If GT does not get a lead early, they won't be able to stay within 28 (twice the line here). Look at how their games unfolded this year. GT just can not play from behind and everything they try just buries them deeper.... AND If GT does get up a little early, AT LEAST I BE CASHING THE OVER.

    Like a lot of us in this forum, FSU has cost me money more than once. They have been terrible ATS. And they are almost as unbettable as PITT. 

    GT has had a terrible season versus their expectations. I think Noles get up early and GT folds it tent.......also, GT will have no HFA effect, their fans are the weakest fans ever..... I am comfortable laying the chalk: But LOVE OVER MORE

    FSU -14  Unit

    OVER 60  Units

    I know a lot of good cappers will not play teasers, but this might be a sweet spot for one.... tease the side down to -8 and total down to 55.  Don't bash me if you hate teasers, I have been betting for 30 years.

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    Not so fast......  Has anyone seen how easy it is to score on GT? I can see the Noles hangin 50 on the Jackets....   

    Observation: Good defenses have shut GT offense down, Georgia held them to 10, only 3 on first team D, and a garbage td against 3rd team.....   BYU similar holding them to 17, again one garbage td. Both teams won by average of 30+. It's also worth noting that against those D's the totals were 52 and 58. That number is short of todays total. So the question becomes; Does FSU have a good defense or not? If you think FSU D is up to it, you gotta lay the chalk, if not, you gotta play the over. The argument for the over and not taking the points is: FSU COULD blow GT out, you would lose with the points.... BUT you would cash the over. The OVER is the better play IMHO in that case.

    If GT does not get a lead early, they won't be able to stay within 28 (twice the line here). Look at how their games unfolded this year. GT just can not play from behind and everything they try just buries them deeper.... AND If GT does get up a little early, AT LEAST I BE CASHING THE OVER.

    Like a lot of us in this forum, FSU has cost me money more than once. They have been terrible ATS. And they are almost as unbettable as PITT. 

    GT has had a terrible season versus their expectations. I think Noles get up early and GT folds it tent.......also, GT will have no HFA effect, their fans are the weakest fans ever..... I am comfortable laying the chalk: But LOVE OVER MORE

    FSU -14  Unit

    OVER 60  Units

    I know a lot of good cappers will not play teasers, but this might be a sweet spot for one.... tease the side down to -8 and total down to 55.  Don't bash me if you hate teasers, I have been betting for 30 years.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 9:38 AM ET #37

    Forgot to add that

     Units FSU -8 OVER 54

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     Units FSU -8 OVER 54

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 9:40 AM ET #38

    Had to pay OVER 55, so adjust my post

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 11:56 AM ET #39

    Paisan - Agree.  Tough to know for sure how FSU responds to getting somewhat embarrassed last week.  Is it a kick in the pants or is it a demoralizing knockdown that makes it tough to get up for their Georgia Tech tilt tonight?  The results will speak volumes I think to the FSU's metal as a team.  

    Tonio - 

    Slick Rick - I play teasers more than I should (I think) but this, to me, screams of a perfect tease spot backing FLA St.

    Jetski - You're probably right.....

    Big Dog - Good angle on the over and I tend to agree.  Here's to hoping FLA ST scores and scores often for both of our sakes....
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    Paisan - Agree.  Tough to know for sure how FSU responds to getting somewhat embarrassed last week.  Is it a kick in the pants or is it a demoralizing knockdown that makes it tough to get up for their Georgia Tech tilt tonight?  The results will speak volumes I think to the FSU's metal as a team.  

    Tonio - 

    Slick Rick - I play teasers more than I should (I think) but this, to me, screams of a perfect tease spot backing FLA St.

    Jetski - You're probably right.....

    Big Dog - Good angle on the over and I tend to agree.  Here's to hoping FLA ST scores and scores often for both of our sakes....
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 12:06 PM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by madisonmike:

    FSU does have the #1 rush D and the speed on the outside to contain the trip option IMO.. Thanks for the info and BOL..
    That gave up 248 yards last week to Fla. just sayin
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    Quote Originally Posted by madisonmike:

    FSU does have the #1 rush D and the speed on the outside to contain the trip option IMO.. Thanks for the info and BOL..
    That gave up 248 yards last week to Fla. just sayin
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 12:07 PM ET #41

    BOL i have them and the O.
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 12:35 PM ET #43

    Doesn't it make some difference that Geo T midweek got a positive decision on going to a bowl even if they lose today and end up 6-7 on the year? Wouldn't that dampen their enthusiasm for today's game?
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    Doesn't it make some difference that Geo T midweek got a positive decision on going to a bowl even if they lose today and end up 6-7 on the year? Wouldn't that dampen their enthusiasm for today's game?
     
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    great point......  they applied for exemption BEFORE the game.... 
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2012 - 6:06 PM ET #45

    Late $$ coming in on FSU...line up to -16 at my book (up from -14 all week long)...
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