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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 10:28 AM ET #51

    @bookieassassin

     Nailed it!  As Sam Pittman said upon leaving" they just want the QB to turn around ,hand it to a tb two or three times in a row and say sic em ".

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     Nailed it!  As Sam Pittman said upon leaving" they just want the QB to turn around ,hand it to a tb two or three times in a row and say sic em ".

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 10:35 AM ET #52

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     Those were the minimum expectations. Richt basically did the same. He was hired to win a NC and or beat Bama when needed asap. He was not viewed as a long term project.  Frustrations were very high as all their competitive peers had won one. McGarity handcuffed MR with lack of support,funds( indoor practice eg) and all this changed dramatically when hiring KS. Huge investments have been made everywhere with one goal....NC soon.

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     Those were the minimum expectations. Richt basically did the same. He was hired to win a NC and or beat Bama when needed asap. He was not viewed as a long term project.  Frustrations were very high as all their competitive peers had won one. McGarity handcuffed MR with lack of support,funds( indoor practice eg) and all this changed dramatically when hiring KS. Huge investments have been made everywhere with one goal....NC soon.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 10:50 AM ET #53

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     Why did they sit Brock Vandagriff, kid is a 5 star, throw him in the fire. Bama and OSU start freshman. 

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     Why did they sit Brock Vandagriff, kid is a 5 star, throw him in the fire. Bama and OSU start freshman. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 11:22 AM ET #54

    Hired Todd Monken, JT averaged over 300yds a game passing to close out 2020. Kirby has taken steps in the right direction but he's got to make a tough decision to move past Stetson.

     

    Who knows if it's arrogance, ignorance, comfort, health status, whatever? But now it's twice we've seen seemingly more talented quarterbacks not get playing time when UGA could have used them. Even if UGA beats Michigan, but loses to Bama again, Kirby will have to answer for why 5* JT Daniels, 4* Carson Beck, and 5* Brock Vandagriff sat on the bench while walk-on Stetson Bennett played.

     

    And my god, what about next year? Another 5* in Gunner Stockton coming in... could be an interesting offseason in Athens.

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    Hired Todd Monken, JT averaged over 300yds a game passing to close out 2020. Kirby has taken steps in the right direction but he's got to make a tough decision to move past Stetson.

     

    Who knows if it's arrogance, ignorance, comfort, health status, whatever? But now it's twice we've seen seemingly more talented quarterbacks not get playing time when UGA could have used them. Even if UGA beats Michigan, but loses to Bama again, Kirby will have to answer for why 5* JT Daniels, 4* Carson Beck, and 5* Brock Vandagriff sat on the bench while walk-on Stetson Bennett played.

     

    And my god, what about next year? Another 5* in Gunner Stockton coming in... could be an interesting offseason in Athens.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 11:40 AM ET #55

    Ended up watching a game bout two yrs ago at buffalo wild wings w a players girlfriend. He was the nos 1 recruit in state of  fla at his position. Promises made... gets to Athens... very little playing time....mostly special teams. She says " you would b amazed how much politics comes into play ". I firmly believe that. Got to be more to this QB saga. I understand possible big disagreement over medical treatment, decisions.    Unfortunate.

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    Ended up watching a game bout two yrs ago at buffalo wild wings w a players girlfriend. He was the nos 1 recruit in state of  fla at his position. Promises made... gets to Athens... very little playing time....mostly special teams. She says " you would b amazed how much politics comes into play ". I firmly believe that. Got to be more to this QB saga. I understand possible big disagreement over medical treatment, decisions.    Unfortunate.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 11:42 AM ET #56

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     No idea. Couldn't have done much worse and possibly provide much needed spark.

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     No idea. Couldn't have done much worse and possibly provide much needed spark.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 11:45 AM ET #57

    uga season ticket holders( Hartman fund) allocated a grand total of 9000 tix....in a 65k stadium.further exacerbated by qualifying($$$) factors I understand.  I should have high priority seating at a sports bar...at a great price....lol.

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    uga season ticket holders( Hartman fund) allocated a grand total of 9000 tix....in a 65k stadium.further exacerbated by qualifying($$$) factors I understand.  I should have high priority seating at a sports bar...at a great price....lol.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 11:58 AM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Ended up watching a game bout two yrs ago at buffalo wild wings w a players girlfriend. He was the nos 1 recruit in state of  fla at his position. Promises made... gets to Athens... very little playing time....mostly special teams. She says " you would b amazed how much politics comes into play ". I firmly believe that. Got to be more to this QB saga. I understand possible big disagreement over medical treatment, decisions.    Unfortunate.

     

    Do you seriously think UGA is the only program where politics comes into play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Ended up watching a game bout two yrs ago at buffalo wild wings w a players girlfriend. He was the nos 1 recruit in state of  fla at his position. Promises made... gets to Athens... very little playing time....mostly special teams. She says " you would b amazed how much politics comes into play ". I firmly believe that. Got to be more to this QB saga. I understand possible big disagreement over medical treatment, decisions.    Unfortunate.

     

    Do you seriously think UGA is the only program where politics comes into play?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 12:39 PM ET #59

    @fts1409

     promises made and not kept defines a bs artist.  examples include politicians, coaches at Georgia, etc. lol

    yeah he's got 4 and 5 star backups that never see the field because of a walk on who certainly didn't impress against Alabama.

    i can't imagine what that's like

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    @fts1409

     promises made and not kept defines a bs artist.  examples include politicians, coaches at Georgia, etc. lol

    yeah he's got 4 and 5 star backups that never see the field because of a walk on who certainly didn't impress against Alabama.

    i can't imagine what that's like

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 12:49 PM ET #60

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     I'm not an expert like you apparently

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     I'm not an expert like you apparently

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 12:50 PM ET #61

    Bennett a senior, can come back another year

    The 2 backups (other than Daniels) are freshman

    So it may be a matter of going with experience

    Man that is some real competitive s going on there..

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    Bennett a senior, can come back another year

    The 2 backups (other than Daniels) are freshman

    So it may be a matter of going with experience

    Man that is some real competitive s going on there..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 1:04 PM ET #62

    Cinci has one backup, Even Prater who is a 4 star freshman.  Starter Ridder is a Senior 2 star

    Michigan starter McNamara Junior, 4 star.  Backup McCarthy freshman 5 star, Bowman grad student 3 star

    Bama starter Young Sophmore 5 star, backup Tyson Sophmore 4 star, Milroe Freshman 4 star

    As was said, Georgia Bennett walk-on starter Redshirt Senior, backup JT Daniels Junior 5 star, Beck Freshman 4 star, Vandagriff Freshman 5 star

    Wow.

    So you got a 2 star Ridder Cinci vs a 5 star Young Bama

    The other game a walkon Bennett Georgia vs a 4 start McNamara Michigan

    And some upset backups at Georgia.

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    Cinci has one backup, Even Prater who is a 4 star freshman.  Starter Ridder is a Senior 2 star

    Michigan starter McNamara Junior, 4 star.  Backup McCarthy freshman 5 star, Bowman grad student 3 star

    Bama starter Young Sophmore 5 star, backup Tyson Sophmore 4 star, Milroe Freshman 4 star

    As was said, Georgia Bennett walk-on starter Redshirt Senior, backup JT Daniels Junior 5 star, Beck Freshman 4 star, Vandagriff Freshman 5 star

    Wow.

    So you got a 2 star Ridder Cinci vs a 5 star Young Bama

    The other game a walkon Bennett Georgia vs a 4 start McNamara Michigan

    And some upset backups at Georgia.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2021 - 1:51 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    Bama is simply 5-10 years ahead of Georgia .... Think about it - this Georgia team is basically Bama 10 years ago ha .... great D / game manager pro style O     >> Saban always thinking ahead - saw that offenses were catching up, that they needed to open things up - esp. the additional threat of a great running QB . SABAN woulda put Justin Fields at QB

     

    They are stuck in 2008 by choice though because of Kirby, they could actually have already taken bama over by now if they had a decent game day coach.. I hope they keep him there forever as a Gator fan, sure he can recruit but that's cute when it comes to beating good coached teams.. As we all saw on display again

     

    Recruiting has never been Georgia's problem in my life time, it's always been bad coaching and player personnel decisions.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin:

    Bama is simply 5-10 years ahead of Georgia .... Think about it - this Georgia team is basically Bama 10 years ago ha .... great D / game manager pro style O     >> Saban always thinking ahead - saw that offenses were catching up, that they needed to open things up - esp. the additional threat of a great running QB . SABAN woulda put Justin Fields at QB

     

    They are stuck in 2008 by choice though because of Kirby, they could actually have already taken bama over by now if they had a decent game day coach.. I hope they keep him there forever as a Gator fan, sure he can recruit but that's cute when it comes to beating good coached teams.. As we all saw on display again

     

    Recruiting has never been Georgia's problem in my life time, it's always been bad coaching and player personnel decisions.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin: Bama is simply 5-10 years ahead of Georgia .... Think about it - this Georgia team is basically Bama 10 years ago ha .... great D / game manager pro style O     >> Saban always thinking ahead - saw that offenses were catching up, that they needed to open things up - esp. the additional threat of a great running QB . SABAN woulda put Justin Fields at QB   They are stuck in 2008 by choice though because of Kirby, they could actually have already taken bama over by now if they had a decent game day coach.. I hope they keep him there forever as a Gator fan, sure he can recruit but that's cute when it comes to beating good coached teams.. As we all saw on display again   Recruiting has never been Georgia's problem in my life time, it's always been bad coaching and player personnel decisions.

     

    Recruiting at Kirby's level probably beats 95% of other schools in the country. Recruiting should be the head coaches primary function tbh; let the coordinators come up with the game plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwheels86:

    Quote Originally Posted by bookieassassin: Bama is simply 5-10 years ahead of Georgia .... Think about it - this Georgia team is basically Bama 10 years ago ha .... great D / game manager pro style O     >> Saban always thinking ahead - saw that offenses were catching up, that they needed to open things up - esp. the additional threat of a great running QB . SABAN woulda put Justin Fields at QB   They are stuck in 2008 by choice though because of Kirby, they could actually have already taken bama over by now if they had a decent game day coach.. I hope they keep him there forever as a Gator fan, sure he can recruit but that's cute when it comes to beating good coached teams.. As we all saw on display again   Recruiting has never been Georgia's problem in my life time, it's always been bad coaching and player personnel decisions.

     

    Recruiting at Kirby's level probably beats 95% of other schools in the country. Recruiting should be the head coaches primary function tbh; let the coordinators come up with the game plans.

     
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    interesting line for championship, should both win...georgia -1/53.5peace_5peacean_popcorn

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    interesting line for championship, should both win...georgia -1/53.5peace_5peacean_popcorn

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:

    @fts1409 Who has currently accomplished more than Kirby in their first 5 years as a head coach? 4 Division titles, 1 SEC Champ, 2 CFP appearances, 3 NY6 Wins   Lincoln Riley and Jimbo Fisher maybe? Not Saban, not Dabo, not Kelly... What those guys have built and learned takes time; someone coming in a crushing it right out of the gate is the exception, not the rule. I'm not saying Kirby will one day become what those guys have become or that UGA is 100% going to win a natty under Kirby. He' s got issues to fix as the leader of a football team, namely making tough decision at the QB spot. But to think he's not one of the best in CFB right now is ignorant.

     

    Georgia plays in the SEC EAST....Who exactly is in that division...Florida..Kentuckyan_roll_laugh..

    The SEC West is LOADED.....Winning the East and playing in the SEC ship game should be automatic for Georgia year in year out...If Georgia was in the West...Kirby would be gone by now......

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    Quote Originally Posted by GamblinDAWG:

    @fts1409 Who has currently accomplished more than Kirby in their first 5 years as a head coach? 4 Division titles, 1 SEC Champ, 2 CFP appearances, 3 NY6 Wins   Lincoln Riley and Jimbo Fisher maybe? Not Saban, not Dabo, not Kelly... What those guys have built and learned takes time; someone coming in a crushing it right out of the gate is the exception, not the rule. I'm not saying Kirby will one day become what those guys have become or that UGA is 100% going to win a natty under Kirby. He' s got issues to fix as the leader of a football team, namely making tough decision at the QB spot. But to think he's not one of the best in CFB right now is ignorant.

     

    Georgia plays in the SEC EAST....Who exactly is in that division...Florida..Kentuckyan_roll_laugh..

    The SEC West is LOADED.....Winning the East and playing in the SEC ship game should be automatic for Georgia year in year out...If Georgia was in the West...Kirby would be gone by now......

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