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    All the Big Guys on Buffalo Tonight

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    jennado
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:26 PM ET #1

    I hate going against all the very profitable handicappers here: Bibendi, Wussie, amd, Bird4332, badlands, etc.
     
    But, I cant see how this Buffalo team keeps up with Ball State here.  This game is on turf, with perfect weather conditions.  I think Ball States speed on offense & defense will be the difference.  I have won quite a bit of money on Buf this year, but this is where it stops. 
     
    It isnt like this Buff team is much above mediocre.  They are 7 - 5 with several of their wins in OT, & they won the weak side, East, of the MAC.  They are 94th in the nation in team defense & 77th in points allowed.  Buf just lost to Kent St last week, and only scored 21 pts.  I also looked at the last 4 games that Buf has played, and they played against defenses ranked 93rd, 96th, 52nd, and 91st in the country.  The strongest defense, Bowling Green, actually had a 21 - 7 lead into the 4th quarter before they melted down & allowed Buf to win in OT.  So, my point is that they have put up some good numbers against teams that arent too good on defense.  On the flip side, the BU defense is ranked 94th against the pass & 83rd against the rush.  This is not a good position for the BU defense against a very balanced BSU offense.
     
    And while Ball St is 59th in the country in total defense, they are 10th in points allowed.  All of Ball State's wins, except 2 (CMU & Navy), have been by at least 15pts.  When looking at BSU offense, it appears that they have a great QB who is slinging the ball all over the field.  That really isnt the case.  They are very balanced on offense, and actually, most of their big yardage plays are off play-action passes when the defense has to have 8 in the box to stop the run.  The other element to the BSU offense is the scrambling ability of Nate Davis.  Since most of the play-action routes are long & down the field, once Nate decides to run & break contain, there is lots of open space.   
     
    I hate being on the opposite side all of these guys who know more about picking winners than I do, but I have to go with the FAV here tonight.  My only concern is the backdoor cover.  BSU has to be up at least 23pts heading into Buffalo's last drive to feel comfortable.  Buf could very well score a meaningless TD in the last 5 mins to cover the number. 
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    I hate going against all the very profitable handicappers here: Bibendi, Wussie, amd, Bird4332, badlands, etc.
     
    But, I cant see how this Buffalo team keeps up with Ball State here.  This game is on turf, with perfect weather conditions.  I think Ball States speed on offense & defense will be the difference.  I have won quite a bit of money on Buf this year, but this is where it stops. 
     
    It isnt like this Buff team is much above mediocre.  They are 7 - 5 with several of their wins in OT, & they won the weak side, East, of the MAC.  They are 94th in the nation in team defense & 77th in points allowed.  Buf just lost to Kent St last week, and only scored 21 pts.  I also looked at the last 4 games that Buf has played, and they played against defenses ranked 93rd, 96th, 52nd, and 91st in the country.  The strongest defense, Bowling Green, actually had a 21 - 7 lead into the 4th quarter before they melted down & allowed Buf to win in OT.  So, my point is that they have put up some good numbers against teams that arent too good on defense.  On the flip side, the BU defense is ranked 94th against the pass & 83rd against the rush.  This is not a good position for the BU defense against a very balanced BSU offense.
     
    And while Ball St is 59th in the country in total defense, they are 10th in points allowed.  All of Ball State's wins, except 2 (CMU & Navy), have been by at least 15pts.  When looking at BSU offense, it appears that they have a great QB who is slinging the ball all over the field.  That really isnt the case.  They are very balanced on offense, and actually, most of their big yardage plays are off play-action passes when the defense has to have 8 in the box to stop the run.  The other element to the BSU offense is the scrambling ability of Nate Davis.  Since most of the play-action routes are long & down the field, once Nate decides to run & break contain, there is lots of open space.   
     
    I hate being on the opposite side all of these guys who know more about picking winners than I do, but I have to go with the FAV here tonight.  My only concern is the backdoor cover.  BSU has to be up at least 23pts heading into Buffalo's last drive to feel comfortable.  Buf could very well score a meaningless TD in the last 5 mins to cover the number. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:32 PM ET #2

    Can you see any scenario where Ball St. would lose to Kent St.?  Or only score 21 points against that team at home?  Something fishy about that.  Even for a meaningless game.
     
    With ya buddy 
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    Can you see any scenario where Ball St. would lose to Kent St.?  Or only score 21 points against that team at home?  Something fishy about that.  Even for a meaningless game.
     
    With ya buddy 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:35 PM ET #3

    Buffalo's only 2 double digit losses came against Pitt (11 point loss) and Mizzo (21 point loss).  Both teams are much better than Ball State.  Also, Buff is 6-0 ATS this season as the underdog.  Just think about it a little bit more.
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    Buffalo's only 2 double digit losses came against Pitt (11 point loss) and Mizzo (21 point loss).  Both teams are much better than Ball State.  Also, Buff is 6-0 ATS this season as the underdog.  Just think about it a little bit more.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:40 PM ET #4

     go cardinals
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:41 PM ET #5

    Ball State....don't worry
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnookHunter:

    Buffalo's only 2 double digit losses came against Pitt (11 point loss) and Mizzo (21 point loss).  Both teams are much better than Ball State.  Also, Buff is 6-0 ATS this season as the underdog.  Just think about it a little bit more.

    Hint - dont used games played in September to predict results in December.  You really need to look at the last month of the season.  And, while it is true that only 2 losses were by double digits, I dont understand what that really has to do with playing Ball State tonight unless you are saying that they play close games.  They do play a lot of close games, but some of their close games were against opponents that BSU smoked. 

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnookHunter:

    Buffalo's only 2 double digit losses came against Pitt (11 point loss) and Mizzo (21 point loss).  Both teams are much better than Ball State.  Also, Buff is 6-0 ATS this season as the underdog.  Just think about it a little bit more.

    Hint - dont used games played in September to predict results in December.  You really need to look at the last month of the season.  And, while it is true that only 2 losses were by double digits, I dont understand what that really has to do with playing Ball State tonight unless you are saying that they play close games.  They do play a lot of close games, but some of their close games were against opponents that BSU smoked. 

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:46 PM ET #7

    Agreed.  I not betting a side in the game tonight, I was just trying to play devil's advocate and throw out some facts as to why Buff could cover.  I'm on the over 62.  BOL though whichever bet you make on the game.  I think Ball State wins by at least 10, but I'm just hoping for a points festival. 
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    Agreed.  I not betting a side in the game tonight, I was just trying to play devil's advocate and throw out some facts as to why Buff could cover.  I'm on the over 62.  BOL though whichever bet you make on the game.  I think Ball State wins by at least 10, but I'm just hoping for a points festival. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:49 PM ET #8

    Did Ball State cover this spread against Miami of Ohio? 

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    Did Ball State cover this spread against Miami of Ohio? 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 3:51 PM ET #9

    13.5..yess...different climate...yesss
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 4:00 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by PlacinUnits:

    Did Ball State cover this spread against Miami of Ohio? 

     

    ooooo, ok, let's see

    31 for BSU - 16 for Mia = 15 pts of victory.  Therefore, that would have been a PUSH (with tonight's spread) at Miami's home field, in bad weather, on a sloppy track. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlacinUnits:

    Did Ball State cover this spread against Miami of Ohio? 

     

    ooooo, ok, let's see

    31 for BSU - 16 for Mia = 15 pts of victory.  Therefore, that would have been a PUSH (with tonight's spread) at Miami's home field, in bad weather, on a sloppy track. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 5, 2008 - 4:14 PM ET #11

    NOt sure on side but I think the over is the play.
    I am guessing 54-28.
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    NOt sure on side but I think the over is the play.
    I am guessing 54-28.
     
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    Jennado, if you're worried about the backdoor cover, and also knowing that this is Buffalo's biggest game of the season, then why not lay off this game and do another game tomorrow?

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    Jennado, if you're worried about the backdoor cover, and also knowing that this is Buffalo's biggest game of the season, then why not lay off this game and do another game tomorrow?

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daran.T:

    Jennado, if you're worried about the backdoor cover, and also knowing that this is Buffalo's biggest game of the season, then why not lay off this game and do another game tomorrow?

     

    This is a small play for me.  I bought down to 14.  I think BSU wins this game big, but with all the accomplished cappers on the other side, it makes me nervous.  So, in essence, I am letting the big cappers influence my decision to play the game; yet, I have been making money capping my own games so I have to play. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daran.T:

    Jennado, if you're worried about the backdoor cover, and also knowing that this is Buffalo's biggest game of the season, then why not lay off this game and do another game tomorrow?

     

    This is a small play for me.  I bought down to 14.  I think BSU wins this game big, but with all the accomplished cappers on the other side, it makes me nervous.  So, in essence, I am letting the big cappers influence my decision to play the game; yet, I have been making money capping my own games so I have to play. 

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