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    Vegas vs KenPom System Day IV

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    beaverfan23
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 3:18 AM ET #1

    YTD so far:

    All games
    7-7
    Only games from opening lines
    4-0
    Games from line movement
    3-7

    Looks like we will be changing the rules to only include games from opening lines, but I will continue to track both since 4 days is no where near a large enough sample size
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    YTD so far:

    All games
    7-7
    Only games from opening lines
    4-0
    Games from line movement
    3-7

    Looks like we will be changing the rules to only include games from opening lines, but I will continue to track both since 4 days is no where near a large enough sample size
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 3:19 AM ET #2

    System rules:

    If the line is between 0 and 4, a large difference is 2 points.
    4.5 to 12, a large difference is 3 points.
    12.5 to 16, a large difference is 4 points.
    16.5 and up, a large difference is 5 points.

    There is one exception to this rule:
    When Vegas and KenPom have different teams favored it is a no play.  KenPom seems to get more of these close ones right than Vegas.


    If there are any questions please see the original thread
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    System rules:

    If the line is between 0 and 4, a large difference is 2 points.
    4.5 to 12, a large difference is 3 points.
    12.5 to 16, a large difference is 4 points.
    16.5 and up, a large difference is 5 points.

    There is one exception to this rule:
    When Vegas and KenPom have different teams favored it is a no play.  KenPom seems to get more of these close ones right than Vegas.


    If there are any questions please see the original thread
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 3:20 AM ET #3

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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 3:24 AM ET #4

    There are 4 plays based on opening lines, however I will not make them official until the morning when Kenpom updates his website.

    If his predictions on these four games do not change, the 4 plays are:
    Northeastern +16
    Kent St -3
    Northwestern -4
    Gonzaga +3.5 (I bet we get a better line on this one so don't lock it in just yet)

    There are a few games that are close to being plays...these plays were not very successful tonight but I will continue to track them.  I will list close plays in the morning


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    There are 4 plays based on opening lines, however I will not make them official until the morning when Kenpom updates his website.

    If his predictions on these four games do not change, the 4 plays are:
    Northeastern +16
    Kent St -3
    Northwestern -4
    Gonzaga +3.5 (I bet we get a better line on this one so don't lock it in just yet)

    There are a few games that are close to being plays...these plays were not very successful tonight but I will continue to track them.  I will list close plays in the morning


     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 6:54 AM ET #5

    he has GM beating NE by 22 and vegas is -16....shouldnt GM be the play?
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    he has GM beating NE by 22 and vegas is -16....shouldnt GM be the play?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 7:07 AM ET #6

    beaver, nice shit yesterday.  thanks for the opening line picks. went 3-0.  lets breakdown today.  
    Northeastern +16 - looks like the Xavier situation a couple days ago. your boy "midwestmagic"  will be on George Mason, which I can see his logic.
    Kent St. -3 - the public is on Kent St. just because of their good home record but Buffalo blew them boys out by 25pts a month ago. Something dont seem right here.  
    Northwestern -4 - same situation as Kent St. but the public is not on NW as much.  Dont know about this one.
    Gonzaga +3.5 - This one looks good.  Public on St. Marys and I feel a little better about this one.

    Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks
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    beaver, nice shit yesterday.  thanks for the opening line picks. went 3-0.  lets breakdown today.  
    Northeastern +16 - looks like the Xavier situation a couple days ago. your boy "midwestmagic"  will be on George Mason, which I can see his logic.
    Kent St. -3 - the public is on Kent St. just because of their good home record but Buffalo blew them boys out by 25pts a month ago. Something dont seem right here.  
    Northwestern -4 - same situation as Kent St. but the public is not on NW as much.  Dont know about this one.
    Gonzaga +3.5 - This one looks good.  Public on St. Marys and I feel a little better about this one.

    Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 7:29 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by c12los:

    beaver, nice shit yesterday.  thanks for the opening line picks. went 3-0.  lets breakdown today.  
    Northeastern +16 - looks like the Xavier situation a couple days ago. your boy "midwestmagic"  will be on George Mason, which I can see his logic.
    Kent St. -3 - the public is on Kent St. just because of their good home record but Buffalo blew them boys out by 25pts a month ago. Something dont seem right here.  
    Northwestern -4 - same situation as Kent St. but the public is not on NW as much.  Dont know about this one.
    Gonzaga +3.5 - This one looks good.  Public on St. Marys and I feel a little better about this one.

    Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks
    Uh,,,aren't you the public?
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    Quote Originally Posted by c12los:

    beaver, nice shit yesterday.  thanks for the opening line picks. went 3-0.  lets breakdown today.  
    Northeastern +16 - looks like the Xavier situation a couple days ago. your boy "midwestmagic"  will be on George Mason, which I can see his logic.
    Kent St. -3 - the public is on Kent St. just because of their good home record but Buffalo blew them boys out by 25pts a month ago. Something dont seem right here.  
    Northwestern -4 - same situation as Kent St. but the public is not on NW as much.  Dont know about this one.
    Gonzaga +3.5 - This one looks good.  Public on St. Marys and I feel a little better about this one.

    Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks
    Uh,,,aren't you the public?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 7:41 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipbone:

    Uh,,,aren't you the public?

    no.  if i was then i would of lost the michigan game and providence game last nite.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipbone:

    Uh,,,aren't you the public?

    no.  if i was then i would of lost the michigan game and providence game last nite.  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 9:12 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by imkds615:

    he has GM beating NE by 22 and vegas is -16....shouldnt GM be the play?

    I do believe you are correct and GM should be the play

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    Quote Originally Posted by imkds615:

    he has GM beating NE by 22 and vegas is -16....shouldnt GM be the play?

    I do believe you are correct and GM should be the play

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 9:13 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by crazycarlstud:

    I do believe you are correct and GM should be the play

    wait i take that back I think NE is the play

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycarlstud:

    I do believe you are correct and GM should be the play

    wait i take that back I think NE is the play

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 9:30 AM ET #11

    GREAT WORK BEAVER!!...Love the logic and system....Keep up the good info.....
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    GREAT WORK BEAVER!!...Love the logic and system....Keep up the good info.....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 10:29 AM ET #13

    best of luck , but what are the actual plays?
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    best of luck , but what are the actual plays?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 10:38 AM ET #14

    IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE MY POST IN YOUR LAST THREAD THESE WERE THE OPENING LINE PICKS



    GEORGE MASON/NORTHEASTERN
    ST. MARY'S/GONZAGA
    ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK/SOUTH ALABAMA
    PENN STATE/NORTHWESTERN
    NC GREENSBORO/GEORGIA SOUTHERN
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    IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE MY POST IN YOUR LAST THREAD THESE WERE THE OPENING LINE PICKS



    GEORGE MASON/NORTHEASTERN
    ST. MARY'S/GONZAGA
    ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK/SOUTH ALABAMA
    PENN STATE/NORTHWESTERN
    NC GREENSBORO/GEORGIA SOUTHERN
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 10:40 AM ET #15

    ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK KENPOM WIN BY 1 VEGAS +2

    NORTHWESTERN WIN BY 2 ON KENPOM VEGAS -4

    NC GREENSBORO KENPOM WIN BY 2 VEGAS PICK EM

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    ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK KENPOM WIN BY 1 VEGAS +2

    NORTHWESTERN WIN BY 2 ON KENPOM VEGAS -4

    NC GREENSBORO KENPOM WIN BY 2 VEGAS PICK EM

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 11:03 AM ET #16

    THE KENPOM LINE ON NORTHWESTERN IS NOW 3 POINTS........IT WAS CHANGED AFTER THE DAILY UPDATE.......THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CHANGES

    ARIZONA IS NOW 1 POINT
    SANTA CLARA IS NOW 9 POINTS
    CHARLESTON IS NOW 10 POINTS
    GREENSBORO IS NOW 1 POINT

    GOOD LUCK
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    THE KENPOM LINE ON NORTHWESTERN IS NOW 3 POINTS........IT WAS CHANGED AFTER THE DAILY UPDATE.......THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CHANGES

    ARIZONA IS NOW 1 POINT
    SANTA CLARA IS NOW 9 POINTS
    CHARLESTON IS NOW 10 POINTS
    GREENSBORO IS NOW 1 POINT

    GOOD LUCK
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 11:41 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by imkds615:

    he has GM beating NE by 22 and vegas is -16....shouldnt GM be the play?


    When Vegas and Kenpom disagree, we side with Vegas and the play would be NE +16
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    Quote Originally Posted by imkds615:

    he has GM beating NE by 22 and vegas is -16....shouldnt GM be the play?


    When Vegas and Kenpom disagree, we side with Vegas and the play would be NE +16
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 11:49 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by PremierEdge:



    When Vegas and Kenpom disagree, we side with Vegas and the play would be NE +16



    I AM INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS GAME BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT GEORGE MASON CAN WIN THIS GAME BY 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by PremierEdge:



    When Vegas and Kenpom disagree, we side with Vegas and the play would be NE +16



    I AM INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS GAME BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT GEORGE MASON CAN WIN THIS GAME BY 30
     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 11:53 AM ET #19

    BOL luck today Beaverfan
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    BOL luck today Beaverfan
     
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    Sorry guys I got a late start today.
    As hank pointed out, a few kenpom lines have moved making northwestern a non-play and making appalachian state a play.

    So the official opening line plays are:
    Northeastern +16
    Kent St -3
    Gonzaga +3.5 (You can get it at +4 at most places but we will do 3.5 for tracking purposes)
    App St +7

    I will begin tracking almost plays now

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    Sorry guys I got a late start today.
    As hank pointed out, a few kenpom lines have moved making northwestern a non-play and making appalachian state a play.

    So the official opening line plays are:
    Northeastern +16
    Kent St -3
    Gonzaga +3.5 (You can get it at +4 at most places but we will do 3.5 for tracking purposes)
    App St +7

    I will begin tracking almost plays now

     
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 12:27 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by JTMARLIN1:

    IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE MY POST IN YOUR LAST THREAD THESE WERE THE OPENING LINE PICKS



    GEORGE MASON/NORTHEASTERN
    ST. MARY'S/GONZAGA
    ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK/SOUTH ALABAMA
    PENN STATE/NORTHWESTERN
    NC GREENSBORO/GEORGIA SOUTHERN


    Remember that the 2 point difference can not cross over zero.  In other words, if Vegas and Kenpom have different teams favored to win, it is NOT a play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTMARLIN1:

    IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE MY POST IN YOUR LAST THREAD THESE WERE THE OPENING LINE PICKS



    GEORGE MASON/NORTHEASTERN
    ST. MARY'S/GONZAGA
    ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK/SOUTH ALABAMA
    PENN STATE/NORTHWESTERN
    NC GREENSBORO/GEORGIA SOUTHERN


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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 12:33 PM ET #23

    Old Dome a pk over James Madison? J.M sucks! Old Dome needs to win this road game badly. Any thougths here..
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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 12:45 PM ET #24

    I like them all but Northeastern

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    Posted: Feb. 24, 2011 - 12:54 PM ET #25

    We will take................if it moves from....................to
    E.Kentucky.............................-3.5.............................-4
    Marquette...............................+5................................+4
    WisMil....................................+8.5.............................+8
    ODU.......................................-2.5..............................-3
    MurraySt.................................-3.5..............................-4
    UCDavis................................+3.5.............................+3
    SacSt......................................+7................................+6
    E.Wash..................................-3..................................-4
    PortlandSt.............................+6.................................+5
    Nevada..................................-5.5...............................-6

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    We will take................if it moves from....................to
    E.Kentucky.............................-3.5.............................-4
    Marquette...............................+5................................+4
    WisMil....................................+8.5.............................+8
    ODU.......................................-2.5..............................-3
    MurraySt.................................-3.5..............................-4
    UCDavis................................+3.5.............................+3
    SacSt......................................+7................................+6
    E.Wash..................................-3..................................-4
    PortlandSt.............................+6.................................+5
    Nevada..................................-5.5...............................-6

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