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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2019 - 12:22 PM ET #1

    There are always new, young and inexperienced gamblers coming into Covers...

    I had some extra time today and thought I would expound a bit on my philosophy on gambling/investing in sports as well as review a few important basics of this hobby/lifestyle....

    Hello New Gambler...welcome to hell.....well, not ACTUALLY hell but it can quickly become a very unhappy place if you don't set some basic rules for your new hobby...

    And starting out...that is rule number 1 for you...this is a "Hobby"...you do not start out expecting to make the kind of money you could live on...retire on...you should start out expecting and hoping to make the kind of money that could eventually allow you to take the wife out for a nice steak dinner...maybe a long weekend vacation...work up to numbers where you maybe even could buy some luxury items...

    But make no mistake, you don't start out thinking that you can immediately crush the books...if you do, you are doomed before you begin...

    So, for your hobby to get off on the right foot, you will setup a starting "bankroll"...an amount of money set aside from your living money that if you lost every penny of it...you would still be fine and not in any type of financial or emotional stress...

    If this is $100...$1000...or $10,000...or more...it MUST be money you will not cry about or lose sleep over.  I cannot emphasize this enough.  If you are funding your HOBBY with your LIFEROLL....you are STARTING OFF WRONG...you are destined for failure...

    Your next step...understand that you will lose...you most probably will lose it all and you may lose it all more than one time before you start to win...I would say, conservatively, that 90%+ of the people gambling are "losers"..by this I mean they are at a "-EV" or "negative expected value" return on their investment over time...

    This is not an easy hobby...not an easy game...and that is why many like it...it's one of the hardest, most challenging "games" to play and you get rewarded with cold, hard cash when you win...

    But, most people lose and continue to lose...and the great majority of them are in denial about why they continue to lose...I know I was for many years early on in my hobby career...

    To be continued...



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    There are always new, young and inexperienced gamblers coming into Covers...

    I had some extra time today and thought I would expound a bit on my philosophy on gambling/investing in sports as well as review a few important basics of this hobby/lifestyle....

    Hello New Gambler...welcome to hell.....well, not ACTUALLY hell but it can quickly become a very unhappy place if you don't set some basic rules for your new hobby...

    And starting out...that is rule number 1 for you...this is a "Hobby"...you do not start out expecting to make the kind of money you could live on...retire on...you should start out expecting and hoping to make the kind of money that could eventually allow you to take the wife out for a nice steak dinner...maybe a long weekend vacation...work up to numbers where you maybe even could buy some luxury items...

    But make no mistake, you don't start out thinking that you can immediately crush the books...if you do, you are doomed before you begin...

    So, for your hobby to get off on the right foot, you will setup a starting "bankroll"...an amount of money set aside from your living money that if you lost every penny of it...you would still be fine and not in any type of financial or emotional stress...

    If this is $100...$1000...or $10,000...or more...it MUST be money you will not cry about or lose sleep over.  I cannot emphasize this enough.  If you are funding your HOBBY with your LIFEROLL....you are STARTING OFF WRONG...you are destined for failure...

    Your next step...understand that you will lose...you most probably will lose it all and you may lose it all more than one time before you start to win...I would say, conservatively, that 90%+ of the people gambling are "losers"..by this I mean they are at a "-EV" or "negative expected value" return on their investment over time...

    This is not an easy hobby...not an easy game...and that is why many like it...it's one of the hardest, most challenging "games" to play and you get rewarded with cold, hard cash when you win...

    But, most people lose and continue to lose...and the great majority of them are in denial about why they continue to lose...I know I was for many years early on in my hobby career...

    To be continued...



     
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    So, you now have a bankroll...now what?...

    Discipline...that's what...

    The concept of "Respect Your Money"..."Respect Your Winnings"...could be summed up as "RYM or RIP"...if you don't respect your bankroll it will quickly rest in peace at a ZERO balance...

    How do you RYM?...by setting limits on any individual regular wager...my rule is 1% to 3% of my bankroll on any individual regular wager...

    Why is this SOOOO important?...

    Because YOU are your OWN worst enemy...whether you realize it or not...your emotions...your biases...your experiences...your observations...they all work together to create a vision in your mind as to the value of a particular wager...

    Sometimes this vision is wrong...sometimes it is right...but no matter what the outcome of the wager is...you MUST not allow these variables to SMACK your limited bankroll down so hard that it will take forever to recover should you be wrong about that wager you loved like your own life...

    Having limits protects your bankroll from YOU...make no mistake...you are your own worst enemy...

    Now...there are exceptions to almost every rule...HOWEVER...as a new gambler, any exception to this rule will require EXCEPTIONAL and AMAZING circumstances...you should stick to this rule as a hard, cold fact in 99.9% of the wagers you make...

    We will review the extremely rare exceptions in a later post..

    To be continued...

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    So, you now have a bankroll...now what?...

    Discipline...that's what...

    The concept of "Respect Your Money"..."Respect Your Winnings"...could be summed up as "RYM or RIP"...if you don't respect your bankroll it will quickly rest in peace at a ZERO balance...

    How do you RYM?...by setting limits on any individual regular wager...my rule is 1% to 3% of my bankroll on any individual regular wager...

    Why is this SOOOO important?...

    Because YOU are your OWN worst enemy...whether you realize it or not...your emotions...your biases...your experiences...your observations...they all work together to create a vision in your mind as to the value of a particular wager...

    Sometimes this vision is wrong...sometimes it is right...but no matter what the outcome of the wager is...you MUST not allow these variables to SMACK your limited bankroll down so hard that it will take forever to recover should you be wrong about that wager you loved like your own life...

    Having limits protects your bankroll from YOU...make no mistake...you are your own worst enemy...

    Now...there are exceptions to almost every rule...HOWEVER...as a new gambler, any exception to this rule will require EXCEPTIONAL and AMAZING circumstances...you should stick to this rule as a hard, cold fact in 99.9% of the wagers you make...

    We will review the extremely rare exceptions in a later post..

    To be continued...

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2019 - 1:03 PM ET #4

    Great write up.. I agree with everything you said. 
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    Great write up.. I agree with everything you said. 
     
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    Hmm...

    I have a bankroll...I have a betting structure to respect my money...

    "I'm ready to WIN BABY!!!"...

    Not so fast ...tap the brakes there little buddy!!!...

    Before you can WIN...you have to be able to determine what wager will have a "Positive EV"...Positive Expected Value...that is, which wagers have a higher probability of winning over losing...

    Since every wager has a greater than ZERO chance of winning and a greater than ZERO chance of losing...you need to find the wager that gives you a better chance of winning than losing...may sound simple, but lets delve deeper...

    I'm going to assume you have a bookie or have setup an account with an online booking site that takes bets at this point.  Every wager you place will have "odds" on it...a typical wager will have some "juice" on it as well...juice is a premium placed on top of a wager...

    For example, a typical juice structure is wagering $110 to win $100...this would be a line of "-110" as you have a 10% juice that you must pay should you lose the wager...You lose and you pay $110...you win and you win $100...if you were in Vegas, you would put $110 out to get your ticket and if you won, the ticket would pay you $210 back...your $110 PLUS the $100 winnings...

    Juice varies and you can get lines with very low juice...or no juice (EVEN money)...or...you can even get paid a premium for your wager and get PLUS money...enough of this for now but suffice to say, any wager you want to make needs to have a +EV basis behind it because...

    You have to win at a rate that beats the juice...what is that rate?

    At -105...  51.2%
    At -110...  52.4%
    At -115...  53.5%
    At -120...  54.5%

    You can find charts on the net that can show you all the numbers as far as you want to go...the point is, the lower the JUICE, the better and you want to place wagers that you believe are significantly higher winning rates than the number you have to beat...

    Over time, if you place wagers that have a 55% or greater positive EV, you will beat all of those lines listed above...and your bankroll will go up...

    The key is "OVER TIME"...there is a thing called "variance" that will come into play...even with a winning rate of 55%...you will still lose 45% of your wagers...sometimes these losers come in bunches just like the winners come in bunches...

    0-10...I have done it...
    0-20...I have done it...

    Live long enough and you can and will have losing weeks, months and even years...

    What happens when that happens...?

    To be continued....


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    Hmm...

    I have a bankroll...I have a betting structure to respect my money...

    "I'm ready to WIN BABY!!!"...

    Not so fast ...tap the brakes there little buddy!!!...

    Before you can WIN...you have to be able to determine what wager will have a "Positive EV"...Positive Expected Value...that is, which wagers have a higher probability of winning over losing...

    Since every wager has a greater than ZERO chance of winning and a greater than ZERO chance of losing...you need to find the wager that gives you a better chance of winning than losing...may sound simple, but lets delve deeper...

    I'm going to assume you have a bookie or have setup an account with an online booking site that takes bets at this point.  Every wager you place will have "odds" on it...a typical wager will have some "juice" on it as well...juice is a premium placed on top of a wager...

    For example, a typical juice structure is wagering $110 to win $100...this would be a line of "-110" as you have a 10% juice that you must pay should you lose the wager...You lose and you pay $110...you win and you win $100...if you were in Vegas, you would put $110 out to get your ticket and if you won, the ticket would pay you $210 back...your $110 PLUS the $100 winnings...

    Juice varies and you can get lines with very low juice...or no juice (EVEN money)...or...you can even get paid a premium for your wager and get PLUS money...enough of this for now but suffice to say, any wager you want to make needs to have a +EV basis behind it because...

    You have to win at a rate that beats the juice...what is that rate?

    At -105...  51.2%
    At -110...  52.4%
    At -115...  53.5%
    At -120...  54.5%

    You can find charts on the net that can show you all the numbers as far as you want to go...the point is, the lower the JUICE, the better and you want to place wagers that you believe are significantly higher winning rates than the number you have to beat...

    Over time, if you place wagers that have a 55% or greater positive EV, you will beat all of those lines listed above...and your bankroll will go up...

    The key is "OVER TIME"...there is a thing called "variance" that will come into play...even with a winning rate of 55%...you will still lose 45% of your wagers...sometimes these losers come in bunches just like the winners come in bunches...

    0-10...I have done it...
    0-20...I have done it...

    Live long enough and you can and will have losing weeks, months and even years...

    What happens when that happens...?

    To be continued....


     
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    The worst thing that can happen to a new gambler is winning...

    That is not a typo...I said...

    The WORST thing that can happen to a new gambler is WINNING...

    How rude...you may respond...

    Of course, you want to win and you want to win NOW...but the euphoria that comes with winning right off the bat is the worst kind of deception...it deludes you into thinking you have "figured this thing out"...or ..."I'm really good at this"..."the exception to the rule"...

    It makes it much harder to learn the RYM rule and keep your discipline strong...

    It also is harder to see that variance is coming just around the corner...

    I don't care how good you are...I don't care how many years you have been gambling/sports investing...I don't care how much experience or discipline you have even...

    Variance can CRUSH you....and your dreams...and your bankroll...

    When..not if...but WHEN it happens, you will review your wagers...you will review your thought process behind the wagers...you will look at the stats..the trends..the analyses and you will look at everything and when you finish you will say these exact words...

    "If I had to make the bet over again...I would do the exact same thing...and I would lose the bet again."...

    This, in a word...is variance...

    Do you play poker?  If so, you know that the best starting hand in Texas Hold Em poker is a pair of Aces...the pocket rockets...What is their percentage chance of winning the hand at the end of the had if all 7 cards come out and there is a showdown...?

    80%...that's right...1 in 5 times, the AA hand will lose to a lesser starting hand...20% of the time a worse starting hand will draw out to a winner...

    And guess what...that 20% can happen 10 times in a row...20 times in a row...30 times in a row...the odds are very low as you get higher...but they are NOT zero...

    So back to my original statement...What do you do when variance rears its UGLY head?...

    First...you reduce your wager amounts...this makes sense because if you are on a bad run, your bankroll is actually reducing by 1% to 3% so you SHOULD be placing lower wager amounts since your wager amount is proportional to your bankroll total...

    Second...stop relying on your own advice...remember, you are your own worst enemy...in a losing streak, why keep playing what a loser has been losing with?  ...Covers is a great place to find a hot capper who is on the right side of variance...spend some time "capping the cappers" and find out who is hot...

    Third...just stop for a bit...take a break...there will always be more action in the future...you don't HAVE to bet something every day...it is not a rule and it's your most powerful tool to stop losing....a simple but effective concept...

    More to come...

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    The worst thing that can happen to a new gambler is winning...

    That is not a typo...I said...

    The WORST thing that can happen to a new gambler is WINNING...

    How rude...you may respond...

    Of course, you want to win and you want to win NOW...but the euphoria that comes with winning right off the bat is the worst kind of deception...it deludes you into thinking you have "figured this thing out"...or ..."I'm really good at this"..."the exception to the rule"...

    It makes it much harder to learn the RYM rule and keep your discipline strong...

    It also is harder to see that variance is coming just around the corner...

    I don't care how good you are...I don't care how many years you have been gambling/sports investing...I don't care how much experience or discipline you have even...

    Variance can CRUSH you....and your dreams...and your bankroll...

    When..not if...but WHEN it happens, you will review your wagers...you will review your thought process behind the wagers...you will look at the stats..the trends..the analyses and you will look at everything and when you finish you will say these exact words...

    "If I had to make the bet over again...I would do the exact same thing...and I would lose the bet again."...

    This, in a word...is variance...

    Do you play poker?  If so, you know that the best starting hand in Texas Hold Em poker is a pair of Aces...the pocket rockets...What is their percentage chance of winning the hand at the end of the had if all 7 cards come out and there is a showdown...?

    80%...that's right...1 in 5 times, the AA hand will lose to a lesser starting hand...20% of the time a worse starting hand will draw out to a winner...

    And guess what...that 20% can happen 10 times in a row...20 times in a row...30 times in a row...the odds are very low as you get higher...but they are NOT zero...

    So back to my original statement...What do you do when variance rears its UGLY head?...

    First...you reduce your wager amounts...this makes sense because if you are on a bad run, your bankroll is actually reducing by 1% to 3% so you SHOULD be placing lower wager amounts since your wager amount is proportional to your bankroll total...

    Second...stop relying on your own advice...remember, you are your own worst enemy...in a losing streak, why keep playing what a loser has been losing with?  ...Covers is a great place to find a hot capper who is on the right side of variance...spend some time "capping the cappers" and find out who is hot...

    Third...just stop for a bit...take a break...there will always be more action in the future...you don't HAVE to bet something every day...it is not a rule and it's your most powerful tool to stop losing....a simple but effective concept...

    More to come...

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2019 - 1:35 PM ET #7

    I really appreciate this Smack, only been betting for like 4 months now. Still having lots of ups and downs! Thanks bro!

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    Well done and a good reminderpeace_5

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    Well done and a good reminderpeace_5

     
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    great posts. i like how its casually written and catered to a noob's comprehension. tbh it deserves to be on a blog or something. being in a covers thread is little justice.

    i look at your writing style and think "yeah this is how you should communicate to newcomers," yet i see some tout services go high-jargon scientific graphs approach and basically try to confuse their audience into giving them money, yet their thinking is that they are educating them in-depth.

    if youre a tout service working off the models/systems angle, why would your goal be to educate your customers to the level you are operating at? the whole point of them paying you is because of information asymmetry.

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    great posts. i like how its casually written and catered to a noob's comprehension. tbh it deserves to be on a blog or something. being in a covers thread is little justice.

    i look at your writing style and think "yeah this is how you should communicate to newcomers," yet i see some tout services go high-jargon scientific graphs approach and basically try to confuse their audience into giving them money, yet their thinking is that they are educating them in-depth.

    if youre a tout service working off the models/systems angle, why would your goal be to educate your customers to the level you are operating at? the whole point of them paying you is because of information asymmetry.

     
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    Great post my man
    “It’s not a lie, if you believe it”
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    Excellent write up....
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    Man this is excellent 
    Don’t let the last play affect the next play
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    Thank you, gentlemen, for you kind words...

    Hundredx makes several great points and one I would add fits right in with this beginner level course...

    Should you buy picks from a service or tout?...

    The first consideration is, of course, the extra cost...if you increase the total cost of your wager by 10%..it effectively increases the percentage winning rate you must win by to break even or show a profit...

    But the more hidden cost is in reality much more expensive...

    When you pay for picks...you are sacrificing your actual learning experience and keeping your learning curve long...by this I mean you don't learn anywhere near as much from buying picks as you would from researching and handicapping your own selections...you continue to be dependent upon the service or tout to feed you selections and are not motivated to improve your skills...

    Finally, paying for picks seems to play into allowing your mind to take a "victim mentality" regarding your losses instead of building responsibility for your own selections...not a small factor in the character of discipline that you are wanting to develop early on in your hobby career...

    Buying picks is the easy way out but make no mistake ...

    The tout or service will have losing streaks...it's just a matter of variance and time...and I can guarantee you that he will not be paying you back for those losers...

    Leaves a very bad taste in your mouth...and a hole in your bankroll that leaves you feeling powerless...

    The "hot capper" theory has been proven many times by me over my 40+ years of sports investing...if I'm not hot, someone else is...

    Find them...plenty of hot cappers here on Covers who will help just because they enjoy helping others beat the books...



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    Thank you, gentlemen, for you kind words...

    Hundredx makes several great points and one I would add fits right in with this beginner level course...

    Should you buy picks from a service or tout?...

    The first consideration is, of course, the extra cost...if you increase the total cost of your wager by 10%..it effectively increases the percentage winning rate you must win by to break even or show a profit...

    But the more hidden cost is in reality much more expensive...

    When you pay for picks...you are sacrificing your actual learning experience and keeping your learning curve long...by this I mean you don't learn anywhere near as much from buying picks as you would from researching and handicapping your own selections...you continue to be dependent upon the service or tout to feed you selections and are not motivated to improve your skills...

    Finally, paying for picks seems to play into allowing your mind to take a "victim mentality" regarding your losses instead of building responsibility for your own selections...not a small factor in the character of discipline that you are wanting to develop early on in your hobby career...

    Buying picks is the easy way out but make no mistake ...

    The tout or service will have losing streaks...it's just a matter of variance and time...and I can guarantee you that he will not be paying you back for those losers...

    Leaves a very bad taste in your mouth...and a hole in your bankroll that leaves you feeling powerless...

    The "hot capper" theory has been proven many times by me over my 40+ years of sports investing...if I'm not hot, someone else is...

    Find them...plenty of hot cappers here on Covers who will help just because they enjoy helping others beat the books...



     
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    an_clap Great post buddy.

    "YOU ARE YOUR WORST ENEMY" I cant stress that enough.

    Everyone will win sometime or later, but unless you have the bankroll management, you will burn the winnings and initial investment faster than it took to earn it.

    There is a reason books dont process the withdraws immediately after u win. Any book typically takes 48 hours to process the withdrawal requests. That 48 hours is the your worst nightmare in most cases.

     

    Lets say you start with 1k and went all in a on a game u really liked a lot and earned 850. Your bank account is now 1850 and lets say you won another 2 bets and now total balance is 5k.

    You might think I won enough and time to cash out. 5kYou put the request to withdraw, but they dont process it immediately and that amount is not locked. Its still available to play.

    You will think, what the hell, I will use these 48 hours to earn more like 2-3k and leave that as bank roll while you cash out 5k. This is the start of your destruction. You will lose 1st game and lose 1k and then say what the hell I have make my 5k back and then bet 2k on next game to get back the loss and then some money on top. Before you know it your bankroll melted down from 5k to 2k. Any smart man will stop betting and withdraw the 2k and take 1k profit there. But we are DEGENS. So we will lose the 2k in next hours making some emotional bets in frustration.

    This is what books feed on.

    Then you will say, what the heck, I will do it again. I made 5k from 1k and I will do it again and will deposit another 1k. Just like hot streaks, there will be cold streaks and u will eventually lose that 1k as well without money management and restraint.

     

    Dont bet what you cannot afford to lose.

     

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    an_clap Great post buddy.

    "YOU ARE YOUR WORST ENEMY" I cant stress that enough.

    Everyone will win sometime or later, but unless you have the bankroll management, you will burn the winnings and initial investment faster than it took to earn it.

    There is a reason books dont process the withdraws immediately after u win. Any book typically takes 48 hours to process the withdrawal requests. That 48 hours is the your worst nightmare in most cases.

     

    Lets say you start with 1k and went all in a on a game u really liked a lot and earned 850. Your bank account is now 1850 and lets say you won another 2 bets and now total balance is 5k.

    You might think I won enough and time to cash out. 5kYou put the request to withdraw, but they dont process it immediately and that amount is not locked. Its still available to play.

    You will think, what the hell, I will use these 48 hours to earn more like 2-3k and leave that as bank roll while you cash out 5k. This is the start of your destruction. You will lose 1st game and lose 1k and then say what the hell I have make my 5k back and then bet 2k on next game to get back the loss and then some money on top. Before you know it your bankroll melted down from 5k to 2k. Any smart man will stop betting and withdraw the 2k and take 1k profit there. But we are DEGENS. So we will lose the 2k in next hours making some emotional bets in frustration.

    This is what books feed on.

    Then you will say, what the heck, I will do it again. I made 5k from 1k and I will do it again and will deposit another 1k. Just like hot streaks, there will be cold streaks and u will eventually lose that 1k as well without money management and restraint.

     

    Dont bet what you cannot afford to lose.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2019 - 2:29 PM ET #16

    The worst thing that can happen to a new gambler is winning...

    That is not a typo...I said...

    The WORST thing that can happen to a new gambler is WINNING...


    This^^^^
    I lived it...thought I couldn't lose, went on for almost a year and then crashed and burned, almost broke me...

    Great words of wisdom, all of it...
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    The worst thing that can happen to a new gambler is winning...

    That is not a typo...I said...

    The WORST thing that can happen to a new gambler is WINNING...


    This^^^^
    I lived it...thought I couldn't lose, went on for almost a year and then crashed and burned, almost broke me...

    Great words of wisdom, all of it...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportswagers:

    an_clap Great post buddy.

    "YOU ARE YOUR WORST ENEMY" I cant stress that enough.

    Everyone will win sometime or later, but unless you have the bankroll management, you will burn the winnings and initial investment faster than it took to earn it.

    There is a reason books dont process the withdraws immediately after u win. Any book typically takes 48 hours to process the withdrawal requests. That 48 hours is the your worst nightmare in most cases.

     

    Lets say you start with 1k and went all in a on a game u really liked a lot and earned 850. Your bank account is now 1850 and lets say you won another 2 bets and now total balance is 5k.

    You might think I won enough and time to cash out. 5kYou put the request to withdraw, but they dont process it immediately and that amount is not locked. Its still available to play.

    You will think, what the hell, I will use these 48 hours to earn more like 2-3k and leave that as bank roll while you cash out 5k. This is the start of your destruction. You will lose 1st game and lose 1k and then say what the hell I have make my 5k back and then bet 2k on next game to get back the loss and then some money on top. Before you know it your bankroll melted down from 5k to 2k. Any smart man will stop betting and withdraw the 2k and take 1k profit there. But we are DEGENS. So we will lose the 2k in next hours making some emotional bets in frustration.

    This is what books feed on.

    Then you will say, what the heck, I will do it again. I made 5k from 1k and I will do it again and will deposit another 1k. Just like hot streaks, there will be cold streaks and u will eventually lose that 1k as well without money management and restraint.

     

    Dont bet what you cannot afford to lose.

     


    Absolutely a fantastic, real life example of one of the many ways the books seek to manipulate and work players...thank you, mah man!

    As a beginning sports investor, you must understand that the books are there to take your money...this is not a game to them...

    They have algorithms...they have data...they pay people large amounts of money to analyze and set lines...you cannot compete with the advantages they have overall...however, your advantage is you can pick and choose your spots and modify your behavior by attempting to lower the effect that emotion and reaction have on your bankroll...

    The books are counting on you to lose your cool....to chase after bad wagers...to not be disciplined...

    You must disappoint them to beat them...

    Have you ever placed a bet...went to the confirmation page and received a message that the line changed against you?...

    Have you placed a bet...went to the confirmation page and received a message that the line changed FOR you?...

    The big books, and many of the smaller ones, track every play you make...they know your tendencies...what you like to do and what you don't like to do...they can limit your play and play with your limits...this is a meta game within the game that you just need to be aware of as you start out...probably your betting amounts will be low enough to where they won't do much at first but they will be collecting data and storing it for later when you start betting bigger...

    Just another thing to learn...

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    an_clap Great post buddy.

    "YOU ARE YOUR WORST ENEMY" I cant stress that enough.

    Everyone will win sometime or later, but unless you have the bankroll management, you will burn the winnings and initial investment faster than it took to earn it.

    There is a reason books dont process the withdraws immediately after u win. Any book typically takes 48 hours to process the withdrawal requests. That 48 hours is the your worst nightmare in most cases.

     

    Lets say you start with 1k and went all in a on a game u really liked a lot and earned 850. Your bank account is now 1850 and lets say you won another 2 bets and now total balance is 5k.

    You might think I won enough and time to cash out. 5kYou put the request to withdraw, but they dont process it immediately and that amount is not locked. Its still available to play.

    You will think, what the hell, I will use these 48 hours to earn more like 2-3k and leave that as bank roll while you cash out 5k. This is the start of your destruction. You will lose 1st game and lose 1k and then say what the hell I have make my 5k back and then bet 2k on next game to get back the loss and then some money on top. Before you know it your bankroll melted down from 5k to 2k. Any smart man will stop betting and withdraw the 2k and take 1k profit there. But we are DEGENS. So we will lose the 2k in next hours making some emotional bets in frustration.

    This is what books feed on.

    Then you will say, what the heck, I will do it again. I made 5k from 1k and I will do it again and will deposit another 1k. Just like hot streaks, there will be cold streaks and u will eventually lose that 1k as well without money management and restraint.

     

    Dont bet what you cannot afford to lose.

     


    Absolutely a fantastic, real life example of one of the many ways the books seek to manipulate and work players...thank you, mah man!

    As a beginning sports investor, you must understand that the books are there to take your money...this is not a game to them...

    They have algorithms...they have data...they pay people large amounts of money to analyze and set lines...you cannot compete with the advantages they have overall...however, your advantage is you can pick and choose your spots and modify your behavior by attempting to lower the effect that emotion and reaction have on your bankroll...

    The books are counting on you to lose your cool....to chase after bad wagers...to not be disciplined...

    You must disappoint them to beat them...

    Have you ever placed a bet...went to the confirmation page and received a message that the line changed against you?...

    Have you placed a bet...went to the confirmation page and received a message that the line changed FOR you?...

    The big books, and many of the smaller ones, track every play you make...they know your tendencies...what you like to do and what you don't like to do...they can limit your play and play with your limits...this is a meta game within the game that you just need to be aware of as you start out...probably your betting amounts will be low enough to where they won't do much at first but they will be collecting data and storing it for later when you start betting bigger...

    Just another thing to learn...

     
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    Smack,

    Tremendous words even seasoned guys like myself find very useful.


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    Tremendous words even seasoned guys like myself find very useful.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2019 - 3:35 PM ET #19

    Very good read no matter how new you are to gambling. Nice stuff smack
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    Quote Originally Posted by umgmu:

    Smack,

    Tremendous words even seasoned guys like myself find very useful.



    Absolutely, it's good to refresh on the basics and rules. They are so very easy to forget.

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    Smack,

    Tremendous words even seasoned guys like myself find very useful.



    Absolutely, it's good to refresh on the basics and rules. They are so very easy to forget.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 25, 2019 - 7:18 PM ET #21

    Stupendous write-up Smack. peace_5

    I've been in this game for 30+ years and its never the same year to year, month to month, week to week, nor day to day...

    I consider myself a math wiz; wrote and formulated my own algorithm but at the end of the day, its about money management for me now-a-days.  Yes, i have had my fair share of brutal losses throughout the years, especially my early years, and was hard lesson to swallow.  Now it's about maximizing my units with less plays.

    an_cheers

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    Stupendous write-up Smack. peace_5

    I've been in this game for 30+ years and its never the same year to year, month to month, week to week, nor day to day...

    I consider myself a math wiz; wrote and formulated my own algorithm but at the end of the day, its about money management for me now-a-days.  Yes, i have had my fair share of brutal losses throughout the years, especially my early years, and was hard lesson to swallow.  Now it's about maximizing my units with less plays.

    an_cheers

     
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    To The Tune Of...."Oh Christmas Tree"

    Dont Chase Chase Chase,
    Dont Chase Chase Chaaaasse...
    Dont Dbl upppp and Chase Chase Chase,,,,,


    (Nice pub service Smack Agreeed)




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    To The Tune Of...."Oh Christmas Tree"

    Dont Chase Chase Chase,
    Dont Chase Chase Chaaaasse...
    Dont Dbl upppp and Chase Chase Chase,,,,,


    (Nice pub service Smack Agreeed)




     
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    Meh
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    Does that mean that if you become good at this and start winning a lot and increase your amount to let's say $20K or more per game the books will track your move and adjust their numbers just to get you !! Only you!!!??
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    Does that mean that if you become good at this and start winning a lot and increase your amount to let's say $20K or more per game the books will track your move and adjust their numbers just to get you !! Only you!!!??
     
     
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    That's kind of hard to believe !?
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