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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 52-39, +15.80
    January Leans: 40-37
    February: 34-23, +38.80
    February Leans: 36-33


    Probably couldn’t set this total high enough for me to avoid this spot. If you’ve watched Depaul or St. John’s at all this year, you’ve probably seen a bit of up and down more often than not, and tonight should present one of those opportunities and there is some value in a total that is lower than the first meeting for some reason. In that first meeting, the game hit 78 possessions and here’s why I think we get that same amount, if not more, tonight. In the first meeting, both teams shot horrendous in the first half, in a half that combined for only 61 points. Each team went more than 4 minutes without a single point in that 1H. So, what changed? Toward the end of the 1H, St. John’s felt they needed to pick up the pressure and go into the full court press. That ultimately ended up being the difference, as they forced a total of 18 turnovers and scored 25 points off of those turnovers. To put it into perspective, the last 24 minutes of the game, St. John’s was able to score 68 points. Granted, they shot a good percentage in the 2H, but a ton of those shots were layups. So, this isn't really a case where each team shot over their head en route to 107 second half points. When Depaul didn’t turn the ball over, they scored as well, putting up 50 themselves over the course of that time. So, we go into tonight. Depaul’s not going to change a thing. Purnell said it himself on Saturday prior to the Louisville tip. When he doesn’t face teams with overwhelming size in the paint, his offense can work at its best using the inside/out and hectic style of play defensively. And on the other side of things, St. John’s is just too young to do anything different. There is no reason they don’t come out and press here in this game, also noting they’re coming off a couple weeks of either good defenses that force into a snail’s pace. Since the Depaul victory, they’ve tried the press a few times when they’ve gotten behind, Syracuse lit them up, and so did Seton Hall. This should be another spot where it’s most certainly used. Cause for concern? Sure, there is one. Depaul’s coming off an OT loss, a game that they probably could have won had a few bounces gone there way, but ultimately poor half-court defense did them in when they got away from the press. Normally, I’d shy away from this spot, but not with Depaul. Purnell has been switching lineups, forcing guys to show up and make the most of their opportunities, and off a loss, this should be another spot he presses on that. Match-up wise, in the half court, Depaul’s going to struggle to score against a zone but ultimately, I’m not sure it matters when the majority of the game will be played in the up-and-down pace with both teams pressing. And if Depaul does get it into the half-court, then Depaul’s inside/out will look better than what it does against most Big East teams that present a challenge with their size. Granted, I’m taking a shot on a guess here that both teams do what they should do. The only time these teams have slowed down in recent match-ups is if the game go out of hand. Assuming this game is close, this one should be fast. And if it’s not, well, I should get more pressing situations which leads to easy buckets. Should be a game of runs, and when one team isn’t scoring, the other one will almost certainly be scoring. I could be wrong. But, I see the value. I’m getting a total lower than the first meeting, and this game should get more free throws, an extra 16 minutes of layup drills, and an ultra fast up and down. Tough for me to pass this one up.
    5* Depaul/St. John's Over 151.5
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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 52-39, +15.80
    January Leans: 40-37
    February: 34-23, +38.80
    February Leans: 36-33


    Probably couldn’t set this total high enough for me to avoid this spot. If you’ve watched Depaul or St. John’s at all this year, you’ve probably seen a bit of up and down more often than not, and tonight should present one of those opportunities and there is some value in a total that is lower than the first meeting for some reason. In that first meeting, the game hit 78 possessions and here’s why I think we get that same amount, if not more, tonight. In the first meeting, both teams shot horrendous in the first half, in a half that combined for only 61 points. Each team went more than 4 minutes without a single point in that 1H. So, what changed? Toward the end of the 1H, St. John’s felt they needed to pick up the pressure and go into the full court press. That ultimately ended up being the difference, as they forced a total of 18 turnovers and scored 25 points off of those turnovers. To put it into perspective, the last 24 minutes of the game, St. John’s was able to score 68 points. Granted, they shot a good percentage in the 2H, but a ton of those shots were layups. So, this isn't really a case where each team shot over their head en route to 107 second half points. When Depaul didn’t turn the ball over, they scored as well, putting up 50 themselves over the course of that time. So, we go into tonight. Depaul’s not going to change a thing. Purnell said it himself on Saturday prior to the Louisville tip. When he doesn’t face teams with overwhelming size in the paint, his offense can work at its best using the inside/out and hectic style of play defensively. And on the other side of things, St. John’s is just too young to do anything different. There is no reason they don’t come out and press here in this game, also noting they’re coming off a couple weeks of either good defenses that force into a snail’s pace. Since the Depaul victory, they’ve tried the press a few times when they’ve gotten behind, Syracuse lit them up, and so did Seton Hall. This should be another spot where it’s most certainly used. Cause for concern? Sure, there is one. Depaul’s coming off an OT loss, a game that they probably could have won had a few bounces gone there way, but ultimately poor half-court defense did them in when they got away from the press. Normally, I’d shy away from this spot, but not with Depaul. Purnell has been switching lineups, forcing guys to show up and make the most of their opportunities, and off a loss, this should be another spot he presses on that. Match-up wise, in the half court, Depaul’s going to struggle to score against a zone but ultimately, I’m not sure it matters when the majority of the game will be played in the up-and-down pace with both teams pressing. And if Depaul does get it into the half-court, then Depaul’s inside/out will look better than what it does against most Big East teams that present a challenge with their size. Granted, I’m taking a shot on a guess here that both teams do what they should do. The only time these teams have slowed down in recent match-ups is if the game go out of hand. Assuming this game is close, this one should be fast. And if it’s not, well, I should get more pressing situations which leads to easy buckets. Should be a game of runs, and when one team isn’t scoring, the other one will almost certainly be scoring. I could be wrong. But, I see the value. I’m getting a total lower than the first meeting, and this game should get more free throws, an extra 16 minutes of layup drills, and an ultra fast up and down. Tough for me to pass this one up.
    5* Depaul/St. John's Over 151.5
     
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    Interesting game here with both team’s coming off a loss between Baylor and Texas. In terms of scheduling, I think Texas in a slightly worse spot as they were able to play the exact game out last time with Kansas State, despite falling near the end, while Texas was forced to run and gun in a game that featured 71 possessions. So, Baylor should be a bit more fresh in this contest (Jones barely played last time out w/ foul trouble), and better suited for the style that this one should see. If you watched the first meeting, Drew made a point to pound the ball inside. He preached that and having patience, and I doubt that gameplan changes here tonight. I think the first meeting it was obvious. Both teams got to the foul line a combined 60 times and there was a total of 47 fouls called in the game. Some oddities from that first game: Brown (Texas) played the full 40 minutes (the only time this year he has played a full game) and scored 32 points in the process. Texas took 13 more shots (9 of them from the three-point line), and had seven more steals, while having 9 less turnovers. And, they still lost by 5. It should be a pretty similar game tonight, both teams getting to the foul line, a few dumb shots taken by Texas, and a close game. If you look at Texas, they’ve had a really good home record this year, having only lost to a couple “uppers” in the conference in Missouri and Kansas. Coincidentally, those losses came in a pretty similar spot to what happens tonight. Texas lost on the road to Kansas State in a high possession game and loses, then returned home on short rest and prep to lose to Kansas by 3. A few weeks later, Texas goes to Baylor in a high possession game, then returned home on short rest and prep to lost to Missouri by 1. Same spot tonight, really. Just played a high possession game on the road and lost, will they pick up the win tonight in a game that should feature less possessions than the first? Clearly, that little spot can’t be explained with a simple answer. Maybe experience? Lack of a consistent starting lineup? I’m not sure the answer, but it’s interesting to say the least. Again, this should be a close game. Foul shooting is basically a wash, although Baylor shoots it a bit better.  Baylor defends better, they’re taller, they have a big edge on experience, not only terms of on-court experience, but in terms of playing in close games. This year, Baylor’s 7-2 in games that have been decided by 5 points or less. Texas in those games is 1-6. They’re a pretty simple team to figure out at the end of the game with Brown handling the ball on most possessions. So, in this game, I can see the more experienced team, with slightly better foul shooting, with a slight advantage on the situational spot having experience, and a team with more experience in general able to close out games. Digging deeper into the match-ups, Baylor poses a pretty big problem for Texas in terms of what they want to do. In the first meeting, Barnes and Texas basically took the defensive stance of not having his big’s defend on the perimeter and rarely left the paint. This gave Baylor’s bigs wide open looks at the basket and they knocked them down. When Barnes brought Chapman out on Jones, he was too slow to guard him. Along with Jones having a big advantage, Quincy Miller plays an important role here, too. Him on the court sort of prevents Texas being able to go with their three-guard offense, another reason for an advantage for Baylor in this game. Baylor won’t change a thing, they’re tall enough and athletic enough at all positions that teams have to change to defend them. As inconsistent as Texas is, this should be another game where they show that switching lineups constantly yet again. In regards to the style, Baylor will probably play zone, and I think that sets itself up for a good style here tonight with Texas coming off a high possession game and their second highest offensive output in the conference season. Texas was awfully complacent in the first game, and settled for jumpers early and often en route to a 1/12 performance from beyond the arc in that 1H. If they aren’t complacent, and they look to get the ball in the paint, they have some size to deal with, so may not be the best of options. Clearly, Texas has some nice revenge, here. They’ve avenged early season road losses to Kansas State and Iowa State already, so they do have that going for them. But they also had more prep time there, so I’m going to take a chance tonight. Ultimately, I think it comes down to a question of can I put Baylor in the same category of a Missouri or Kansas on the road - Can Baylor go on the road and steal a win here? My conclusion was yes. And the match-ups should be a big part of how this one plays out. Size and experience should prevail. 
    Lean: Baylor +2.5

    Would probably point Nova, and would play them at anything up to a PK if Wayans would be playing. Not interested in chasing down that info. No interest in Fairfield on this end of year roady when they have Iona on tap Friday and they're also coming off a brutally physical game with Wisconsin MKE. And I didn't even look at the Texas Southern/Mississippi Valley State game as my SWAC pre-season stuff was a waste of my time. Game should be a dogfight, though. MVST hasn't lost a conference game yet (14-0). If they were smart, they wouldn't show anything real tonight and gear up for a wild and wacky conference tournament, but a nationally televised game with a chance to win the conference outright? Tough spot.

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    Interesting game here with both team’s coming off a loss between Baylor and Texas. In terms of scheduling, I think Texas in a slightly worse spot as they were able to play the exact game out last time with Kansas State, despite falling near the end, while Texas was forced to run and gun in a game that featured 71 possessions. So, Baylor should be a bit more fresh in this contest (Jones barely played last time out w/ foul trouble), and better suited for the style that this one should see. If you watched the first meeting, Drew made a point to pound the ball inside. He preached that and having patience, and I doubt that gameplan changes here tonight. I think the first meeting it was obvious. Both teams got to the foul line a combined 60 times and there was a total of 47 fouls called in the game. Some oddities from that first game: Brown (Texas) played the full 40 minutes (the only time this year he has played a full game) and scored 32 points in the process. Texas took 13 more shots (9 of them from the three-point line), and had seven more steals, while having 9 less turnovers. And, they still lost by 5. It should be a pretty similar game tonight, both teams getting to the foul line, a few dumb shots taken by Texas, and a close game. If you look at Texas, they’ve had a really good home record this year, having only lost to a couple “uppers” in the conference in Missouri and Kansas. Coincidentally, those losses came in a pretty similar spot to what happens tonight. Texas lost on the road to Kansas State in a high possession game and loses, then returned home on short rest and prep to lose to Kansas by 3. A few weeks later, Texas goes to Baylor in a high possession game, then returned home on short rest and prep to lost to Missouri by 1. Same spot tonight, really. Just played a high possession game on the road and lost, will they pick up the win tonight in a game that should feature less possessions than the first? Clearly, that little spot can’t be explained with a simple answer. Maybe experience? Lack of a consistent starting lineup? I’m not sure the answer, but it’s interesting to say the least. Again, this should be a close game. Foul shooting is basically a wash, although Baylor shoots it a bit better.  Baylor defends better, they’re taller, they have a big edge on experience, not only terms of on-court experience, but in terms of playing in close games. This year, Baylor’s 7-2 in games that have been decided by 5 points or less. Texas in those games is 1-6. They’re a pretty simple team to figure out at the end of the game with Brown handling the ball on most possessions. So, in this game, I can see the more experienced team, with slightly better foul shooting, with a slight advantage on the situational spot having experience, and a team with more experience in general able to close out games. Digging deeper into the match-ups, Baylor poses a pretty big problem for Texas in terms of what they want to do. In the first meeting, Barnes and Texas basically took the defensive stance of not having his big’s defend on the perimeter and rarely left the paint. This gave Baylor’s bigs wide open looks at the basket and they knocked them down. When Barnes brought Chapman out on Jones, he was too slow to guard him. Along with Jones having a big advantage, Quincy Miller plays an important role here, too. Him on the court sort of prevents Texas being able to go with their three-guard offense, another reason for an advantage for Baylor in this game. Baylor won’t change a thing, they’re tall enough and athletic enough at all positions that teams have to change to defend them. As inconsistent as Texas is, this should be another game where they show that switching lineups constantly yet again. In regards to the style, Baylor will probably play zone, and I think that sets itself up for a good style here tonight with Texas coming off a high possession game and their second highest offensive output in the conference season. Texas was awfully complacent in the first game, and settled for jumpers early and often en route to a 1/12 performance from beyond the arc in that 1H. If they aren’t complacent, and they look to get the ball in the paint, they have some size to deal with, so may not be the best of options. Clearly, Texas has some nice revenge, here. They’ve avenged early season road losses to Kansas State and Iowa State already, so they do have that going for them. But they also had more prep time there, so I’m going to take a chance tonight. Ultimately, I think it comes down to a question of can I put Baylor in the same category of a Missouri or Kansas on the road - Can Baylor go on the road and steal a win here? My conclusion was yes. And the match-ups should be a big part of how this one plays out. Size and experience should prevail. 
    Lean: Baylor +2.5

    Would probably point Nova, and would play them at anything up to a PK if Wayans would be playing. Not interested in chasing down that info. No interest in Fairfield on this end of year roady when they have Iona on tap Friday and they're also coming off a brutally physical game with Wisconsin MKE. And I didn't even look at the Texas Southern/Mississippi Valley State game as my SWAC pre-season stuff was a waste of my time. Game should be a dogfight, though. MVST hasn't lost a conference game yet (14-0). If they were smart, they wouldn't show anything real tonight and gear up for a wild and wacky conference tournament, but a nationally televised game with a chance to win the conference outright? Tough spot.

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    You know it will be asked so I'll go ahead. Your thoughts on Baylor/Texas ? Thanks!
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    Thanks for the write-up Neil!
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Thanks for the write-up Neil!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:30 PM ET #7

    Great insight on the game. 

    Lets cash that ticket

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    Great insight on the game. 

    Lets cash that ticket

     
    djitow
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:31 PM ET #8

    Good luck today Neil 
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:31 PM ET #9

    If you can talk about Virginia and NMex games tomorrow thax
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:37 PM ET #10

    I like your analysis of the Texas / Baylor game. I definitely believe that the match up tonight will be more of a grinder than their first meeting. As you stated, there were quite a few oddities to that game.

    There's a reason tonight's total is 138.5 despite the first one finishing at 147 on a posted total of 140.5

    BOL tonight

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    I like your analysis of the Texas / Baylor game. I definitely believe that the match up tonight will be more of a grinder than their first meeting. As you stated, there were quite a few oddities to that game.

    There's a reason tonight's total is 138.5 despite the first one finishing at 147 on a posted total of 140.5

    BOL tonight

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:42 PM ET #11

    amazing info and amazing that it is free!  can't thank you enough
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    amazing info and amazing that it is free!  can't thank you enough
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:42 PM ET #12

    Strong lean to DePaul for me...did you see some of the numbers the Johnnies put up in the first matchup?

    - D. Harrison hits 7-11 3pt
    - Achiuwa goes 7-7 from the field
    - Johnnies hit 81% of their FTs

    I just can't imagine all of those happening again...plus I think DePaul is getting SJU in a great spot, coming off that win over UCLA. Hard for young teams to sustain success. SJU hasn't won 2 in a row since December 27

    Good luck nropp 
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    Strong lean to DePaul for me...did you see some of the numbers the Johnnies put up in the first matchup?

    - D. Harrison hits 7-11 3pt
    - Achiuwa goes 7-7 from the field
    - Johnnies hit 81% of their FTs

    I just can't imagine all of those happening again...plus I think DePaul is getting SJU in a great spot, coming off that win over UCLA. Hard for young teams to sustain success. SJU hasn't won 2 in a row since December 27

    Good luck nropp 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:52 PM ET #13

    baylor 4 me
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:56 PM ET #14

    just wondering if you think St Johns wins this game tonight and is 5.5 to much to give?
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    just wondering if you think St Johns wins this game tonight and is 5.5 to much to give?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:57 PM ET #15

    AS always... Thank You!
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    AS always... Thank You!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 4:58 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by JEG53:

    just wondering if you think St Johns wins this game tonight and is 5.5 to much to give?

    I would point to them, yah. Just hard to determine a winner when these two defenses take the court.

    GL
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    just wondering if you think St Johns wins this game tonight and is 5.5 to much to give?

    I would point to them, yah. Just hard to determine a winner when these two defenses take the court.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:06 PM ET #17

    Great analysis as always. I'm in DePaul's market and listen to their games sometimes. Purnell really has this team playing well on offense. No D though, so hopefully this will be an easy over.
    Tough game with Pitt yesterday, but your analysis was the little push I needed to play the under too.
    You've been coming down the stretch like a freight train this season. Keep up the great work.
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    Great analysis as always. I'm in DePaul's market and listen to their games sometimes. Purnell really has this team playing well on offense. No D though, so hopefully this will be an easy over.
    Tough game with Pitt yesterday, but your analysis was the little push I needed to play the under too.
    You've been coming down the stretch like a freight train this season. Keep up the great work.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:18 PM ET #18

    Best of Luck 
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:19 PM ET #19

    Opposite on total and I like Depaul SU. But what do I know.

     

    bol ropp

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    bol ropp

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:23 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by catera123:

    baylor 4 me

     

    OK AND THAT BUTT FOR ME

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    baylor 4 me

     

    OK AND THAT BUTT FOR ME

     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:27 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by BET-MAN:

     

    OK AND THAT BUTT FOR ME

    thats how we do it n the dirty south
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    OK AND THAT BUTT FOR ME

    thats how we do it n the dirty south
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:40 PM ET #22

    great write-up on the johnnie game! love the over here and blue demons to keep it within the number.
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    great write-up on the johnnie game! love the over here and blue demons to keep it within the number.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:45 PM ET #23

    Your write ups are very good....also enjoy your pics.
    Will monitor for a week or so.
    Good Luck    
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    Your write ups are very good....also enjoy your pics.
    Will monitor for a week or so.
    Good Luck    
     
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    Posted: Feb. 20, 2012 - 5:57 PM ET #25

    nropp - is the over still worth it at 154??
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