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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2012 - 1:29 PM ET #1

    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 52-39, +15.80
    January Leans: 40-37
    February: 63-44, +65.90
    February Leans: 56-49
    March: 63-44, +81.85
    March Leans: 42-39


    Prep Time
    I’ve hit on this a few times this year, but the preparation time angle has been something that I have leaned on time to time with certain coaches. Mike Brey and Notre Dame, are something like 46-10 in his career with a full week of prep and half of those games he’s been an underdog in and won straight up. Good coaches who know how to prep, know how to prep. The extra time gives them a few things. One, they can throw in new wrinkles or new schemes that they’ll use at certain parts of the ball game. They have additional time to view more film, break down player tendencies, and an overall understanding of the matchups. Here’s Rick Pitino with prep time the last few years with more than 5 days of prep (keep in mind I threw out the one year they did not have a top 5 defense – they are currently the top defense in the country):

    Win by 35
    Win by 16
    Win by 30 (NL)
    Win by 8
    Loss by 3 (lookahead to Kentucky n/c)
    Win by 11
    Win by 12
    Loss by 4 (n/c)
    Win by 3
    Win by 8 (n/c)
    Win by 7
    Win by 13
    Win by 15
    Win by 14 (n/c)
    Win by 30 (NL)
    Win by 19
    Win by 4 (n/c)
    Win by 3
    Win by 25
    Loss by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 38
    Loss by 14 (n/c)
    Win by 40
    Win by 19
    Win by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 20
    Win by 6
    Win by 13
    Win by 4 (n/c)
    Win by 18
    Win by 20
    Win by 39


    In four years time, Pitino is 28-4 with at least five days of preparation time. In this situation, he has a few more days and he’ll be the coach with the additional day of prep making this an actual full week of prep for the Cardinals. Checking out Coach Cal with more than five days in that same time frame yields the following results:
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    November: 46-38, +5.20
    November Leans: 39-38
    December: 65-70, -9.45
    December Leans: 67-79
    January: 52-39, +15.80
    January Leans: 40-37
    February: 63-44, +65.90
    February Leans: 56-49
    March: 63-44, +81.85
    March Leans: 42-39


    Prep Time
    I’ve hit on this a few times this year, but the preparation time angle has been something that I have leaned on time to time with certain coaches. Mike Brey and Notre Dame, are something like 46-10 in his career with a full week of prep and half of those games he’s been an underdog in and won straight up. Good coaches who know how to prep, know how to prep. The extra time gives them a few things. One, they can throw in new wrinkles or new schemes that they’ll use at certain parts of the ball game. They have additional time to view more film, break down player tendencies, and an overall understanding of the matchups. Here’s Rick Pitino with prep time the last few years with more than 5 days of prep (keep in mind I threw out the one year they did not have a top 5 defense – they are currently the top defense in the country):

    Win by 35
    Win by 16
    Win by 30 (NL)
    Win by 8
    Loss by 3 (lookahead to Kentucky n/c)
    Win by 11
    Win by 12
    Loss by 4 (n/c)
    Win by 3
    Win by 8 (n/c)
    Win by 7
    Win by 13
    Win by 15
    Win by 14 (n/c)
    Win by 30 (NL)
    Win by 19
    Win by 4 (n/c)
    Win by 3
    Win by 25
    Loss by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 38
    Loss by 14 (n/c)
    Win by 40
    Win by 19
    Win by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 20
    Win by 6
    Win by 13
    Win by 4 (n/c)
    Win by 18
    Win by 20
    Win by 39


    In four years time, Pitino is 28-4 with at least five days of preparation time. In this situation, he has a few more days and he’ll be the coach with the additional day of prep making this an actual full week of prep for the Cardinals. Checking out Coach Cal with more than five days in that same time frame yields the following results:
     
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    Loss by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 25 (n/c)
    Win by 15 (n/c)
    Win by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 12
    Win by 31
    Loss by 7 (n/c)
    Win by 6 (n/c)
    Win by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 2
    Loss by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 2 (n/c)
    Win by 21 (n/c)
    Win by 8 (n/c)
    Win by 31
    Win by 19
    Win by 12 (n/c)
    Win by 6 (n/c)
    Win by 17

    In that same time, Calipari is 16-3. The little n/c thing in parenthesis stands for non-cover. In 19 of the possible spots, Calipari failed to cover 13 of those games. I’m not a big ATS type of guy, never have been, never will, but it’s certainly interesting in this scenario. Does a negative ATS mark of 6-13 when having prep time mean anything? The prep time has paid off in the wins column, but has it actually been advantageous? It should also be pointed out that four of the six ATS victories came in a revenge situation where they had previously lost the first meeting between the two teams, had extra time to prep for the second meeting, and not only won, but covered in a big way. With Louisville and Pitino, the opposite can be said. Rick Pitino is 8-2 ATS this year with prep, and 21-9 over that same time period as Coach Cal. Again, not the greatest of beliefs of mine to invest in ATS trends, but this might be one of them that has some solid reasoning behind it. What I’m really getting at here, is how much of this game will be based on coaching and prep time as opposed to talent. Some probably feel as if it doesn’t play a part, however, I’m not in that category. Some may feel that one team may be extremely more talented than the other, I can agree with that to an extent, but the basis of my fundamentals and what goes into the analysis process if finding a means of value that lie outside what’s already predicated in the point spread. To give an example of how much coaches, teams, trainers, players, and on and on rely on the preparation, I point to none other than a quote from Billy Donovan this past weekend. After beating Marquette and advancing on to Louisville, Donovan says: “"You're really only talking about an hour and a half preparation-wise here on the (practice) court, maybe film tonight, pregame meal and then you're going to come out and play, it's a quick turnaround” – end quote. Or, perhaps a quote from Shaka on what the fundamental basis of using a havoc defense is focused around. And I quote: “One of the reasons we play that way is because it’s different from what teams are used to practicing in their own practices and playing against. In theory, our style is something that will be new for them tomorrow” – end quote. Most coaches use the preparation time as a means of many things as I have hit on pretty much all year, time off to rest, less travel, more kinks and quirks within the scheme, but the good coaches see results from it, and I think there is a clear difference in how each of these coaches have benefitted from the extra time off...
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    Loss by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 25 (n/c)
    Win by 15 (n/c)
    Win by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 12
    Win by 31
    Loss by 7 (n/c)
    Win by 6 (n/c)
    Win by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 2
    Loss by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 2 (n/c)
    Win by 21 (n/c)
    Win by 8 (n/c)
    Win by 31
    Win by 19
    Win by 12 (n/c)
    Win by 6 (n/c)
    Win by 17

    In that same time, Calipari is 16-3. The little n/c thing in parenthesis stands for non-cover. In 19 of the possible spots, Calipari failed to cover 13 of those games. I’m not a big ATS type of guy, never have been, never will, but it’s certainly interesting in this scenario. Does a negative ATS mark of 6-13 when having prep time mean anything? The prep time has paid off in the wins column, but has it actually been advantageous? It should also be pointed out that four of the six ATS victories came in a revenge situation where they had previously lost the first meeting between the two teams, had extra time to prep for the second meeting, and not only won, but covered in a big way. With Louisville and Pitino, the opposite can be said. Rick Pitino is 8-2 ATS this year with prep, and 21-9 over that same time period as Coach Cal. Again, not the greatest of beliefs of mine to invest in ATS trends, but this might be one of them that has some solid reasoning behind it. What I’m really getting at here, is how much of this game will be based on coaching and prep time as opposed to talent. Some probably feel as if it doesn’t play a part, however, I’m not in that category. Some may feel that one team may be extremely more talented than the other, I can agree with that to an extent, but the basis of my fundamentals and what goes into the analysis process if finding a means of value that lie outside what’s already predicated in the point spread. To give an example of how much coaches, teams, trainers, players, and on and on rely on the preparation, I point to none other than a quote from Billy Donovan this past weekend. After beating Marquette and advancing on to Louisville, Donovan says: “"You're really only talking about an hour and a half preparation-wise here on the (practice) court, maybe film tonight, pregame meal and then you're going to come out and play, it's a quick turnaround” – end quote. Or, perhaps a quote from Shaka on what the fundamental basis of using a havoc defense is focused around. And I quote: “One of the reasons we play that way is because it’s different from what teams are used to practicing in their own practices and playing against. In theory, our style is something that will be new for them tomorrow” – end quote. Most coaches use the preparation time as a means of many things as I have hit on pretty much all year, time off to rest, less travel, more kinks and quirks within the scheme, but the good coaches see results from it, and I think there is a clear difference in how each of these coaches have benefitted from the extra time off...
     
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    Revenge
    Another common theme that I have focused on over the years is revenge. Not only revenge as a whole, but it’s taken into the context of the analysis. Good teams who are coming off a bad and frustrating loss that came out of nowhere, generally seem to bounce back in the next spot and revert to the mean regardless of the opponent. Teams who have recently lost to their opponent in a big game and teams who have been embarrassed recently have been a good investment in the bounce-back game. Teams who have lost in the previous season in a big spot, let’s say a post-season match-up, or a rivalry game, the revenge has been a good investment. And more importantly, immediate revenge is enough in itself. When teams are playing the revenge factor for previous years, or in past instances, you don’t have the same team, the same feel of exacting that revenge. This spot here in the Final Four sets up a few angles on the revenge factor. For starters, these two played each other once this year. Kentucky ultimately won, but failed to cover as Louisville hit a couple three’s late. Rather than focus on the ins and outs of that game itself (I will get to that later), let’s focus on the revenge factor. As I’ve noted, these two played each other back on New Year’s Eve. It’s not really the greatest of spots to compare to Saturday’s Final Four match-up for a few reasons. One, that game was played at Noon at Kentucky where they haven’t lost a game under Calipari. Two, that game was the highest paced game for both teams on their regular season schedules at 79 possessons. And three, probably the most important, one team had a really good spot, and the other, not so much. Louisville was coming off a nine game home stand and hitting the road for only the second time all year having just opened up their Big East regular season with a loss. I commented on this a few times, and some weird scheduling here, but why start out the conference slate and then go play a rivalry game in the middle of it? Just doesn’t make any sense, and something Louisville was un-prepared to do. As for Kentucky, they had a five game stretch where they played nobodies and won every game by 20+ and also caught Louisville at the end of that five game home stand. Again, Kentucky won that game by 7, with a final score of 69-62. Some important things to note within the game itself? Sure. Both teams really, really, and I mean really struggled to score. Both of these teams are built on the defensive side of the ball, and in a noon game, both defenses really shut down the other’s offense. Louisville had one lone player in double figures and it was Russ Smith with 30 points. Take Smith off the roster, and the rest of the team shoots 19%. Smith made the same amount of FG’s as the rest of the team. Same can be said for Kentucky as well. Take Kidd-Gilchrist off the team, they shoot 24%, and he made just as many FG’s as the rest of the team. If you watched the game, it was an all-out physical battle and a few key things came from it. Both teams went to the foul line a ton, in fact, they combined for a total of 70 free throws (Kentucky shot 43, Louisville shot 27) and there was a total of 51fouls called. For some odd reason, I still see this game being physical being a rivalry and all, but I’m just not sure there will be another 51 fouls called on the national stage that puts half of the Louisville roster in foul trouble.. Again, just a guess, but I just don’t see it happening. Aside from the many whistles heard throughout the game, there were a few things that stuck out to me. Kuric and Siva were non-factors. I think it’s pretty easy to state the obvious, and that would be Kentucky’s defensive prowess and height advantage really made it tough for them to do their thing in the half-court. I can probably agree with that in most cases, but this...
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    Another common theme that I have focused on over the years is revenge. Not only revenge as a whole, but it’s taken into the context of the analysis. Good teams who are coming off a bad and frustrating loss that came out of nowhere, generally seem to bounce back in the next spot and revert to the mean regardless of the opponent. Teams who have recently lost to their opponent in a big game and teams who have been embarrassed recently have been a good investment in the bounce-back game. Teams who have lost in the previous season in a big spot, let’s say a post-season match-up, or a rivalry game, the revenge has been a good investment. And more importantly, immediate revenge is enough in itself. When teams are playing the revenge factor for previous years, or in past instances, you don’t have the same team, the same feel of exacting that revenge. This spot here in the Final Four sets up a few angles on the revenge factor. For starters, these two played each other once this year. Kentucky ultimately won, but failed to cover as Louisville hit a couple three’s late. Rather than focus on the ins and outs of that game itself (I will get to that later), let’s focus on the revenge factor. As I’ve noted, these two played each other back on New Year’s Eve. It’s not really the greatest of spots to compare to Saturday’s Final Four match-up for a few reasons. One, that game was played at Noon at Kentucky where they haven’t lost a game under Calipari. Two, that game was the highest paced game for both teams on their regular season schedules at 79 possessons. And three, probably the most important, one team had a really good spot, and the other, not so much. Louisville was coming off a nine game home stand and hitting the road for only the second time all year having just opened up their Big East regular season with a loss. I commented on this a few times, and some weird scheduling here, but why start out the conference slate and then go play a rivalry game in the middle of it? Just doesn’t make any sense, and something Louisville was un-prepared to do. As for Kentucky, they had a five game stretch where they played nobodies and won every game by 20+ and also caught Louisville at the end of that five game home stand. Again, Kentucky won that game by 7, with a final score of 69-62. Some important things to note within the game itself? Sure. Both teams really, really, and I mean really struggled to score. Both of these teams are built on the defensive side of the ball, and in a noon game, both defenses really shut down the other’s offense. Louisville had one lone player in double figures and it was Russ Smith with 30 points. Take Smith off the roster, and the rest of the team shoots 19%. Smith made the same amount of FG’s as the rest of the team. Same can be said for Kentucky as well. Take Kidd-Gilchrist off the team, they shoot 24%, and he made just as many FG’s as the rest of the team. If you watched the game, it was an all-out physical battle and a few key things came from it. Both teams went to the foul line a ton, in fact, they combined for a total of 70 free throws (Kentucky shot 43, Louisville shot 27) and there was a total of 51fouls called. For some odd reason, I still see this game being physical being a rivalry and all, but I’m just not sure there will be another 51 fouls called on the national stage that puts half of the Louisville roster in foul trouble.. Again, just a guess, but I just don’t see it happening. Aside from the many whistles heard throughout the game, there were a few things that stuck out to me. Kuric and Siva were non-factors. I think it’s pretty easy to state the obvious, and that would be Kentucky’s defensive prowess and height advantage really made it tough for them to do their thing in the half-court. I can probably agree with that in most cases, but this...
     
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    ...just isn’t one of them. Watching the game over and over, it just appears to me that neither really wanted the ball. Heck, Louisville looked like a much better team with Siva on the bench, and Kuric, well, his performance was pitiful. Nothing Kentucky did in the half-court, in transition, wherever really focused on shutting these two down. Not a thing. So while I look at their performances, I’m just not sure what to think. Noon game? Maybe. Scared? Possible going on the road to a rival. I just don’t know, but I do know that Calipari’s game-plan wasn’t to shut those two down, they just had pretty pathetic, and below average games (Siva has looked much better as of late). If there is a bright spot for Louisville coming out of the first meeting (besides only losing by 7 on a tough shooting day), it was probably Russ Smith and the 30 points he scored. With Siva in foul trouble, Smith stepped up big and not only offensively. For those keeping track, this is mini-Briante. He currently comes in at #2 nationally in steal percentage, a shade under Briante at the #1 spot. And this is a bit of why he single-handedly kept them in the game. He’s not scared of taller players, good defensive teams, playing in Rupp Arena, and it showed. One last thing on the topic of revenge and how it relates to the spot itself, is the fact that in the first meeting, Louisville was bouncing back on short rest after playing Georgetown. Not just the Big East opener, but a tough and physical opponent in Georgetown just a few days prior before hitting the road. I guess I can compare this to the NFL a bit just to make some sense of it. Teams coming off of either Pitt or Baltimore and the physical style of play were pretty worthless on the season. The same can be said for a Georgetown team that not only wore teams down physically, but mentally as well. Teams directly coming off of Georgetown this year were 11-19 straight up in the next game. Simply put, it’s a tough style to get accustomed to in your next match-up with little prep, which is what Louisville was facing here. More importantly, this wasn’t a Georgetown team that played a bunch of cupcakes as they held the 20th best strength of schedule in the country. Here is who their opponents beat in their follow-up game after facing Georgetown:

    UCLA
    Jackson State
    Villanova
    Robert Morris
    Seton Hall
    West Virginia
    Pitt
    Uconn
    Depaul
    Rutgers
    Providence

    Some really not so great teams in this mix. The only tournament teams listed are WVU and Uconn, both bowed out in round one of this very tournament, and both of those win’s by the Georgetown follow-up team came at home. I guess what I’m trying to get at here, is that teams coming off the Georgetown style are really at a disadvantage when they go into their next game, not only from a physical standpoint, but mentally as well. Louisville was faced with this situation at the end of December when they went to the #1 team in the country...
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    ...just isn’t one of them. Watching the game over and over, it just appears to me that neither really wanted the ball. Heck, Louisville looked like a much better team with Siva on the bench, and Kuric, well, his performance was pitiful. Nothing Kentucky did in the half-court, in transition, wherever really focused on shutting these two down. Not a thing. So while I look at their performances, I’m just not sure what to think. Noon game? Maybe. Scared? Possible going on the road to a rival. I just don’t know, but I do know that Calipari’s game-plan wasn’t to shut those two down, they just had pretty pathetic, and below average games (Siva has looked much better as of late). If there is a bright spot for Louisville coming out of the first meeting (besides only losing by 7 on a tough shooting day), it was probably Russ Smith and the 30 points he scored. With Siva in foul trouble, Smith stepped up big and not only offensively. For those keeping track, this is mini-Briante. He currently comes in at #2 nationally in steal percentage, a shade under Briante at the #1 spot. And this is a bit of why he single-handedly kept them in the game. He’s not scared of taller players, good defensive teams, playing in Rupp Arena, and it showed. One last thing on the topic of revenge and how it relates to the spot itself, is the fact that in the first meeting, Louisville was bouncing back on short rest after playing Georgetown. Not just the Big East opener, but a tough and physical opponent in Georgetown just a few days prior before hitting the road. I guess I can compare this to the NFL a bit just to make some sense of it. Teams coming off of either Pitt or Baltimore and the physical style of play were pretty worthless on the season. The same can be said for a Georgetown team that not only wore teams down physically, but mentally as well. Teams directly coming off of Georgetown this year were 11-19 straight up in the next game. Simply put, it’s a tough style to get accustomed to in your next match-up with little prep, which is what Louisville was facing here. More importantly, this wasn’t a Georgetown team that played a bunch of cupcakes as they held the 20th best strength of schedule in the country. Here is who their opponents beat in their follow-up game after facing Georgetown:

    UCLA
    Jackson State
    Villanova
    Robert Morris
    Seton Hall
    West Virginia
    Pitt
    Uconn
    Depaul
    Rutgers
    Providence

    Some really not so great teams in this mix. The only tournament teams listed are WVU and Uconn, both bowed out in round one of this very tournament, and both of those win’s by the Georgetown follow-up team came at home. I guess what I’m trying to get at here, is that teams coming off the Georgetown style are really at a disadvantage when they go into their next game, not only from a physical standpoint, but mentally as well. Louisville was faced with this situation at the end of December when they went to the #1 team in the country...
     
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    ...In closing on the topic of revenge, there isn’t just one revenge factor here, and I think multiple are put into play. For starters, you have immediate revenge on the first result. Second, you have a Kentucky team who walked into the Yum-Yum center last year and took out Louisville right after Louisville posted points per possession totals of 1.45 and 1.31 scoring 100+ both games right before Louisville (remember the angle of teams scoring 100 coming back down to earth? – yah that worked to perfection last year in this spot). You have revenge from heavy whistles the first meeting this year, and you have revenge from a couple key contributors who just didn’t show up. The best part is, these players have embraced it. And I quote “"We want to play Kentucky for revenge," Chris Smith said. "And they have, what, six or seven pros on their team? If you want to be a pro you've got to beat a pro. Everybody cares, but they're not going to say it. I'm a senior, and I'm going to say it. If I eat my words, I eat my words, but at the end of the day I want to play Kentucky." Is he nuts? I don’t know. Maybe he was aware of Pitino’s showing with in-season revenge games over the course of the last ten seasons:

    Win by 14
    Win by 13
    Lose by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 6
    Win by 27
    Win by 6
    Win by 27
    Win by 2
    Lose by 6
    Lose by 4
    Lose by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 6
    Lose by 2
    Win by 9

    That looks like a 9-5 record straight up, and a 12-2 ATS mark. One of those non-covers came in 2004 at Marquette on the road, and the other came this year on the road at Syracuse by half a point. Multiple revenge angles here in play...

    Offense/Defense
    I think anytime you go up against any Calipari coached team in any era, at any time, you want to have the right defense. I mean, this is a team that is balanced, and a majority of his teams have been that way. His best players on this team take the 4th and 5th most shot attempts. Their top seven scorers averaged over 25 points a game in their high school days. And on, and on, and on. They’ve looked extremely amazing in the tournament thus far, and have posted some lopsided numbers. How does 1.15 points per possession in at least every game so far sound? Or perhaps the 1.40 per possession they scored in the Indiana game in a big-time revenge spot? They’re efficiency in this tournament is a dazzling 1.25 points per possession so far through 4 games. Out of the ordinary? A bit. Scary? Absolutely. They only crossed over the 1.25 points per possession mark 11 times in the regular season. Out of those 11 times, only two of them came against a top 50 defense. Those two instances were Vanderbilt and Louisiana State, the second time around. Pure coincidence that both Vandy and LSU were able to lower Kentucky’s efficiency in the second meeting? Personally, I don’t think so. 
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    ...In closing on the topic of revenge, there isn’t just one revenge factor here, and I think multiple are put into play. For starters, you have immediate revenge on the first result. Second, you have a Kentucky team who walked into the Yum-Yum center last year and took out Louisville right after Louisville posted points per possession totals of 1.45 and 1.31 scoring 100+ both games right before Louisville (remember the angle of teams scoring 100 coming back down to earth? – yah that worked to perfection last year in this spot). You have revenge from heavy whistles the first meeting this year, and you have revenge from a couple key contributors who just didn’t show up. The best part is, these players have embraced it. And I quote “"We want to play Kentucky for revenge," Chris Smith said. "And they have, what, six or seven pros on their team? If you want to be a pro you've got to beat a pro. Everybody cares, but they're not going to say it. I'm a senior, and I'm going to say it. If I eat my words, I eat my words, but at the end of the day I want to play Kentucky." Is he nuts? I don’t know. Maybe he was aware of Pitino’s showing with in-season revenge games over the course of the last ten seasons:

    Win by 14
    Win by 13
    Lose by 9 (n/c)
    Win by 6
    Win by 27
    Win by 6
    Win by 27
    Win by 2
    Lose by 6
    Lose by 4
    Lose by 1 (n/c)
    Win by 6
    Lose by 2
    Win by 9

    That looks like a 9-5 record straight up, and a 12-2 ATS mark. One of those non-covers came in 2004 at Marquette on the road, and the other came this year on the road at Syracuse by half a point. Multiple revenge angles here in play...

    Offense/Defense
    I think anytime you go up against any Calipari coached team in any era, at any time, you want to have the right defense. I mean, this is a team that is balanced, and a majority of his teams have been that way. His best players on this team take the 4th and 5th most shot attempts. Their top seven scorers averaged over 25 points a game in their high school days. And on, and on, and on. They’ve looked extremely amazing in the tournament thus far, and have posted some lopsided numbers. How does 1.15 points per possession in at least every game so far sound? Or perhaps the 1.40 per possession they scored in the Indiana game in a big-time revenge spot? They’re efficiency in this tournament is a dazzling 1.25 points per possession so far through 4 games. Out of the ordinary? A bit. Scary? Absolutely. They only crossed over the 1.25 points per possession mark 11 times in the regular season. Out of those 11 times, only two of them came against a top 50 defense. Those two instances were Vanderbilt and Louisiana State, the second time around. Pure coincidence that both Vandy and LSU were able to lower Kentucky’s efficiency in the second meeting? Personally, I don’t think so. 
     
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    ...When you play a team that’s as long and tall, you can adjust the second game to fit your strengths, decide what you’re going to take away and decide what you’re going to give them. The second meeting is “easier” to defend. Back to topic at hand, Kentucky’s PPP against top 100 defenses comes in at 1.12 points per possession, again, far below the current “freight train” status and average of 1.25 PPP that they’ve been labeled at thus far in the tournament. However, match them up against a defense worse than 100th in the country, and they averaged a decent 1.23 PPP (in 14 instances). What’s really remarkable about this Kentucky team is that there has only been five, yes, five instances where Kentucky has been held below a point per possession on the year. In 38 games, Kentucky has been held below a point per possession only five times. Those games have come against:

    Vanderbilt (0.97)
    LSU (0.90)
    Tennessee (0.97)
    ODU (0.93)
    Louisville (0.87)

    Not a typo. And yes, that is Louisville. Louisville held Kentucky to their worst offensive output of the year on the road, in only their second true road game, at Rupp Arena. As you know, I’m a big fan of defensive guard pressure. It leads to transition, it leads to points, and there might not be a better team in the country that does it better than Louisville (maybe VCU…maybe). They forced 20 turnovers in that meeting, but getting back to the topic at hand which is defense, it’s certainly not surprising to me at least that they held Kentucky to such a low efficiency. The way this defense operates really picks out one central figure, neutralizes them, and they put a ton of emphasis on the rest of the team. As I’ve noted before, Kentucky is extremely balanced on the offensive end. Ever heard of the saying when you have two quarterbacks competing for a starting roster, you really have none? I don’t really want to make the comparison to this here because it isn’t entirely true, but it fits in a way. Balance doesn’t work against Pitino defense. You need a couple decent ball handlers (not saying KY doesn’t have any), but you need a couple guys who can distribute against pressure when times get tough. Maybe it’s b/c I haven’t seen times get tough for Kentucky all that much, but relying on scoring outside of the offensive sets will get you burnt in certain situations, and on the national spotlight of a Final Four, it certainly is possible. Back to this game and the 0.87 PPP, the lowest Kentucky’s been held to all year, what’s truly jaw-dropping is the fact that they shot 43 free throws and still were held below the 70 point barrier and below the 1 PPP mark. Call me crazy, but I find that insane. As I alluded to before, Louisville’s pressure has gotten them to where they currently stand. Granted, Kentucky has a week to prepare for a press and a zone, so that’s something that helps them, but I’m just not sure what they do. Sure, they’re familiar with the Louisville pressure, but they haven’t seen it come from all areas for a full game b/c of the first meeting’s foul-fest being a drawback in using it for the majority of the game. It’s not really something you can mimic in practice, so even with the full week, I’m not sure Kentucky can find a lineup that’s going to be effective against it. Bring some bigs up to help with the pressure so it’s a bit easier to beat? I can see Cal doing that as he utilized it at Memphis a few year’s back going against Tulsa, but I’m certainly OK with getting the bigs as far away from the hoop as possible, as early as possible. I guess what I’m trying to get at, is that a young team against a press in the spotlight would give me great concern, and one going against one of the best presses in the last couple years would give me greater concern, and one going against a press where they turned the ball over 20 times in a previous meeting where the opponent was only able to utilize it for half a game would give me even more concern than the greater concern I had before the last comma. From the looks of it, Kentucky has faced off against a total of five  teams who like to pressure the ball (using turnover % as a barometer and the top 100 teams and also subtracting those who utilize a zone pressure or force more turnovers in the half court for example Penn State and Loyola MD totally different pressure). Before I get to the list of teams, and the turnover amounts, I will point out that the only two teams they faced in the top 10 in the country in terms of pressure were Louisville and ODU, and in those games they yielded 21 and 20 turnovers, respectively. Here’s the opponents, and the KY turnovers:

    Kansas, 19
    Old Dominion, 21
    Louisville, 20
    Lamar, 17
    Arkansas, 12

    This offense doesn’t want to be pressured, and again, the outlet is to go to the hoop and score. To show the importance of what they do, one can look at the FT attempts in these games against pressure. They get to the foul stripe quite a bit, but it’s gone up against pressure. In these five games, they went to the foul line a combined 147 times. That’s almost 30 a game. They haven’t put up all that great of offensive PPP totals even when they’re getting to the line that much...
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    ...When you play a team that’s as long and tall, you can adjust the second game to fit your strengths, decide what you’re going to take away and decide what you’re going to give them. The second meeting is “easier” to defend. Back to topic at hand, Kentucky’s PPP against top 100 defenses comes in at 1.12 points per possession, again, far below the current “freight train” status and average of 1.25 PPP that they’ve been labeled at thus far in the tournament. However, match them up against a defense worse than 100th in the country, and they averaged a decent 1.23 PPP (in 14 instances). What’s really remarkable about this Kentucky team is that there has only been five, yes, five instances where Kentucky has been held below a point per possession on the year. In 38 games, Kentucky has been held below a point per possession only five times. Those games have come against:

    Vanderbilt (0.97)
    LSU (0.90)
    Tennessee (0.97)
    ODU (0.93)
    Louisville (0.87)

    Not a typo. And yes, that is Louisville. Louisville held Kentucky to their worst offensive output of the year on the road, in only their second true road game, at Rupp Arena. As you know, I’m a big fan of defensive guard pressure. It leads to transition, it leads to points, and there might not be a better team in the country that does it better than Louisville (maybe VCU…maybe). They forced 20 turnovers in that meeting, but getting back to the topic at hand which is defense, it’s certainly not surprising to me at least that they held Kentucky to such a low efficiency. The way this defense operates really picks out one central figure, neutralizes them, and they put a ton of emphasis on the rest of the team. As I’ve noted before, Kentucky is extremely balanced on the offensive end. Ever heard of the saying when you have two quarterbacks competing for a starting roster, you really have none? I don’t really want to make the comparison to this here because it isn’t entirely true, but it fits in a way. Balance doesn’t work against Pitino defense. You need a couple decent ball handlers (not saying KY doesn’t have any), but you need a couple guys who can distribute against pressure when times get tough. Maybe it’s b/c I haven’t seen times get tough for Kentucky all that much, but relying on scoring outside of the offensive sets will get you burnt in certain situations, and on the national spotlight of a Final Four, it certainly is possible. Back to this game and the 0.87 PPP, the lowest Kentucky’s been held to all year, what’s truly jaw-dropping is the fact that they shot 43 free throws and still were held below the 70 point barrier and below the 1 PPP mark. Call me crazy, but I find that insane. As I alluded to before, Louisville’s pressure has gotten them to where they currently stand. Granted, Kentucky has a week to prepare for a press and a zone, so that’s something that helps them, but I’m just not sure what they do. Sure, they’re familiar with the Louisville pressure, but they haven’t seen it come from all areas for a full game b/c of the first meeting’s foul-fest being a drawback in using it for the majority of the game. It’s not really something you can mimic in practice, so even with the full week, I’m not sure Kentucky can find a lineup that’s going to be effective against it. Bring some bigs up to help with the pressure so it’s a bit easier to beat? I can see Cal doing that as he utilized it at Memphis a few year’s back going against Tulsa, but I’m certainly OK with getting the bigs as far away from the hoop as possible, as early as possible. I guess what I’m trying to get at, is that a young team against a press in the spotlight would give me great concern, and one going against one of the best presses in the last couple years would give me greater concern, and one going against a press where they turned the ball over 20 times in a previous meeting where the opponent was only able to utilize it for half a game would give me even more concern than the greater concern I had before the last comma. From the looks of it, Kentucky has faced off against a total of five  teams who like to pressure the ball (using turnover % as a barometer and the top 100 teams and also subtracting those who utilize a zone pressure or force more turnovers in the half court for example Penn State and Loyola MD totally different pressure). Before I get to the list of teams, and the turnover amounts, I will point out that the only two teams they faced in the top 10 in the country in terms of pressure were Louisville and ODU, and in those games they yielded 21 and 20 turnovers, respectively. Here’s the opponents, and the KY turnovers:

    Kansas, 19
    Old Dominion, 21
    Louisville, 20
    Lamar, 17
    Arkansas, 12

    This offense doesn’t want to be pressured, and again, the outlet is to go to the hoop and score. To show the importance of what they do, one can look at the FT attempts in these games against pressure. They get to the foul stripe quite a bit, but it’s gone up against pressure. In these five games, they went to the foul line a combined 147 times. That’s almost 30 a game. They haven’t put up all that great of offensive PPP totals even when they’re getting to the line that much...
     
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    ... And they’re going to get to the line here I think as well, I’m just not sold on getting there that many times as in previous cases, let alone the ref’s playing a big part in how the outcome of this game is decided. As I stated before, both Vanderbilt’s and LSU’s (the only two teams who held them in check that they played twice), defensive PPP totals came down in the 2nd meeting with Kentucky, and assuming I see a drop in Louisville here, this one should be a dogfight, and the team with the best defensive efficiency in the country should have the advantage. 

    With Kentucky and Calipari coached teams, the first thing I think of in terms of defensive philosophy is the blocked shot. That’s first and foremost. In the last ten years, Calipari has coached a team that has ranked no worse than 25th nationally in block percentage. Since arriving at Kentucky, he’s been no worse than 6th, and two out of the last three years his team has held the top spot in terms of block percentage. What’s really awkward, and one of the reasons that Calipari has been so successful in his coaching career is that while they don’t block shots often, they don’t foul too much either. That right there is a nasty combination and one that is just rare to find. Of course, the old saying goes when you’re brought up is to play defense with your feet and going for blocked shots is just going to get you in foul trouble or get you out of position for an offensive rebound. That is simply not the case with Kentucky and Cal coached teams. They block shots well, they do it on the inside, they do it on fifteen foot jumpshots, they do it on three-pointers, they do it all over the court. The #1 staple of this highly effective defense is blocking shots and doing it without fouling (again a rare feat). Here is the difference between the two defensive schemes that present themselves within the match-ups. Louisvlle’s defense utilizes the blocked shot with Dieng in the middle, they aren’t nearly effective as Kentucky, but they are still effective (31st in the country). But where the difference comes is within the pressure that each team brings to the table. I’ve already talked about how Louisville and Pitino teams pressure the piss out of the ball on just about every possession. While it seems as if Kentucky does utilize pressure, they really don’t. I hear all of these expert broadcasters talk about how Kentucky’s defense is because of the pressure they exhibit on the outside and how good they defend. This really hasn’t been the case. Kentucky uses a bit of pressure, but the main goal is to force you either into a tough shot or to force you into the paint where they can block a shot. Nothing more, nothing less really. It’s the strength. What the weakness is, is not turning that pressure into turnovers in the half court. This was a staple of Cal while he was at Memphis, but not here at Kentucky. The last few years he has ranked #297, #293, and #218 in terms of forcing turnovers. Thus, we have a really interesting scenario here. As I’ve stated a few times, these two have already played each other. My hunch is that on the second time around, teams find it easier to score within the offense knowing that they can’t go into the paint or they’re going to get blocked on what seems like every other trip down the court. I would assume that based on nothing more than the assumption of once you play a team once, you know what they’re going to do defensively and you can better prepare for it the second time around. Kentucky had 9 instances where they played a team two times in succession within the season this year. Looking through the research, five of those games saw an increase in PPP in the second meeting, but four did not. Those four teams who did not see an increase in their offensive efficiency the 2nd time around were LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt....
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    ... And they’re going to get to the line here I think as well, I’m just not sold on getting there that many times as in previous cases, let alone the ref’s playing a big part in how the outcome of this game is decided. As I stated before, both Vanderbilt’s and LSU’s (the only two teams who held them in check that they played twice), defensive PPP totals came down in the 2nd meeting with Kentucky, and assuming I see a drop in Louisville here, this one should be a dogfight, and the team with the best defensive efficiency in the country should have the advantage. 

    With Kentucky and Calipari coached teams, the first thing I think of in terms of defensive philosophy is the blocked shot. That’s first and foremost. In the last ten years, Calipari has coached a team that has ranked no worse than 25th nationally in block percentage. Since arriving at Kentucky, he’s been no worse than 6th, and two out of the last three years his team has held the top spot in terms of block percentage. What’s really awkward, and one of the reasons that Calipari has been so successful in his coaching career is that while they don’t block shots often, they don’t foul too much either. That right there is a nasty combination and one that is just rare to find. Of course, the old saying goes when you’re brought up is to play defense with your feet and going for blocked shots is just going to get you in foul trouble or get you out of position for an offensive rebound. That is simply not the case with Kentucky and Cal coached teams. They block shots well, they do it on the inside, they do it on fifteen foot jumpshots, they do it on three-pointers, they do it all over the court. The #1 staple of this highly effective defense is blocking shots and doing it without fouling (again a rare feat). Here is the difference between the two defensive schemes that present themselves within the match-ups. Louisvlle’s defense utilizes the blocked shot with Dieng in the middle, they aren’t nearly effective as Kentucky, but they are still effective (31st in the country). But where the difference comes is within the pressure that each team brings to the table. I’ve already talked about how Louisville and Pitino teams pressure the piss out of the ball on just about every possession. While it seems as if Kentucky does utilize pressure, they really don’t. I hear all of these expert broadcasters talk about how Kentucky’s defense is because of the pressure they exhibit on the outside and how good they defend. This really hasn’t been the case. Kentucky uses a bit of pressure, but the main goal is to force you either into a tough shot or to force you into the paint where they can block a shot. Nothing more, nothing less really. It’s the strength. What the weakness is, is not turning that pressure into turnovers in the half court. This was a staple of Cal while he was at Memphis, but not here at Kentucky. The last few years he has ranked #297, #293, and #218 in terms of forcing turnovers. Thus, we have a really interesting scenario here. As I’ve stated a few times, these two have already played each other. My hunch is that on the second time around, teams find it easier to score within the offense knowing that they can’t go into the paint or they’re going to get blocked on what seems like every other trip down the court. I would assume that based on nothing more than the assumption of once you play a team once, you know what they’re going to do defensively and you can better prepare for it the second time around. Kentucky had 9 instances where they played a team two times in succession within the season this year. Looking through the research, five of those games saw an increase in PPP in the second meeting, but four did not. Those four teams who did not see an increase in their offensive efficiency the 2nd time around were LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Vanderbilt....
     
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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2012 - 1:33 PM ET #8

    ...The really weird thing in all of this is that Vanderbilt put up it’s lowest PPP total in three meetings with Kentucky and beat them in the Conference title game. I think rather than focus on the PPP totals, I want to take a look at how Kentucky defended not really as a whole, but how the outcome was in the 2nd meeting in terms of turnovers and blocks, two of the focal points of their defense, and again, one being the strength, and the other being the weakness. 

    Out of a total of 9 cases, Kentucky blocked less shots in the 2nd meeting in SIX of those games.
    Out of a total of 9 cases, Kentucky did not force more turnovers in the 2nd meeting in EIGHT of those games (again the only rarity was Vandy beating UK)
    Out of a total of 9 cases, teams playing Kentucky in the 2nd meeting got to the foul line just as much, if not more in SEVEN of those games.

    Assumptions confirmed. Teams that played Kentucky in the 2nd meeting were able to steer clear of the shot-blockers, take care of the ball even better than the first meeting, and get to the foul line a bit more. So, where does this favor Louisville? Well, Kentucky only blocked 7 shots the first meeting. Louisville only had 14 turnovers (compared to Kentucky’s 20), and Louisville got to the foul line a whopping 27 times. The last thing I would like to focus on in terms of the defense and how teams relate to blocked shot is how they defend the offensive glass, also noting it’s probably the strength of Louisville’s offense (and they had 8 offensive rebounds the first meeting). Here’s what Kentucky’s given up on the offensive glass this year in games against top 100 offensive rebounding teams (I cut it off at 100 to get rid of teams like Samford who only had 3 offensive rebounds on Kentucky b/c they do not believe in offensive rebounds):

    10
    18
    9
    11
    13
    12
    11
    9
    8****
    16
    10
    10
    9
    11

    Concentrate on the asterisks****. That’s Louisville. They’re the only top 100 offensive rebounding team that failed to convert more than 9 of them on the year on Kentucky. Combine that with the horrid shooting day, and the amount of times Kentucky went to the foul stripe, and I see value. Yes, I see value in going against a great Kentucky defense that utilizes the blocked shot better than any team in the country. Why? Because those little things what I like to call the extra opportunities are going to be present more-so than the first meeting with some added value in a revenge spot with an even better on-ball pressure defense here. Last thing in regards to defense, as I’ve stated numerous times how good I believe Louisville is, is the fact that Kentucky hasn’t been all that impressive with time off. As I alluded to before, they’re basically averaging a whopping 1.20+ on the season in terms of points per possession. That # drops down to the 1.14 or 1.15 range when you take out the cupcakes of the schedule, and that average drops a bit further to about 1.07 with more than five days off. If I’m breaking this down a bit further, that # drops to 0.96 on a neutral and road games with more than five days off. And on and on. Bottom line, I think Louisville’s defense is the reason that a) it is making a deep run here into March and b) has a chance to hang with Kentucky given the above factors...
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    ...The really weird thing in all of this is that Vanderbilt put up it’s lowest PPP total in three meetings with Kentucky and beat them in the Conference title game. I think rather than focus on the PPP totals, I want to take a look at how Kentucky defended not really as a whole, but how the outcome was in the 2nd meeting in terms of turnovers and blocks, two of the focal points of their defense, and again, one being the strength, and the other being the weakness. 

    Out of a total of 9 cases, Kentucky blocked less shots in the 2nd meeting in SIX of those games.
    Out of a total of 9 cases, Kentucky did not force more turnovers in the 2nd meeting in EIGHT of those games (again the only rarity was Vandy beating UK)
    Out of a total of 9 cases, teams playing Kentucky in the 2nd meeting got to the foul line just as much, if not more in SEVEN of those games.

    Assumptions confirmed. Teams that played Kentucky in the 2nd meeting were able to steer clear of the shot-blockers, take care of the ball even better than the first meeting, and get to the foul line a bit more. So, where does this favor Louisville? Well, Kentucky only blocked 7 shots the first meeting. Louisville only had 14 turnovers (compared to Kentucky’s 20), and Louisville got to the foul line a whopping 27 times. The last thing I would like to focus on in terms of the defense and how teams relate to blocked shot is how they defend the offensive glass, also noting it’s probably the strength of Louisville’s offense (and they had 8 offensive rebounds the first meeting). Here’s what Kentucky’s given up on the offensive glass this year in games against top 100 offensive rebounding teams (I cut it off at 100 to get rid of teams like Samford who only had 3 offensive rebounds on Kentucky b/c they do not believe in offensive rebounds):

    10
    18
    9
    11
    13
    12
    11
    9
    8****
    16
    10
    10
    9
    11

    Concentrate on the asterisks****. That’s Louisville. They’re the only top 100 offensive rebounding team that failed to convert more than 9 of them on the year on Kentucky. Combine that with the horrid shooting day, and the amount of times Kentucky went to the foul stripe, and I see value. Yes, I see value in going against a great Kentucky defense that utilizes the blocked shot better than any team in the country. Why? Because those little things what I like to call the extra opportunities are going to be present more-so than the first meeting with some added value in a revenge spot with an even better on-ball pressure defense here. Last thing in regards to defense, as I’ve stated numerous times how good I believe Louisville is, is the fact that Kentucky hasn’t been all that impressive with time off. As I alluded to before, they’re basically averaging a whopping 1.20+ on the season in terms of points per possession. That # drops down to the 1.14 or 1.15 range when you take out the cupcakes of the schedule, and that average drops a bit further to about 1.07 with more than five days off. If I’m breaking this down a bit further, that # drops to 0.96 on a neutral and road games with more than five days off. And on and on. Bottom line, I think Louisville’s defense is the reason that a) it is making a deep run here into March and b) has a chance to hang with Kentucky given the above factors...
     
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    Ultimately…
    As I’ve stated numerous times, there were a few spots on the bracket in the opening rounds that I knew I wasn’t going to be able to pass up. Survive and advance, get into the Sweet 16 and as long as a few teams took care of business, I knew that I would get Louisville at the price I wanted against Michigan State. That was hopeful spot #1. Hopeful spot #2 sets itself up perfectly for a spot player like me here in the Final Four. Two highly touted coaches, two really good programs, and all in all, these two teams just hate each other. One team has revenge, with a favorable edge of getting to play Kentucky again. The other team has a roster chock full of talent, and the so-called “freight train” status. One team utilizes defensive pressure on the outside, while the other looks to force you inside for that pressure. Throw it out the window. . In a game as intense and hate-filled as this one should be, anything can happen. Of course, some shots will fall, others will not. Louisville’s zone will force Kentucky to beat them from the perimeter, and I could write another thousand words on that zone by the way. What does Louisville change up from the first meeting? What does Kentucky change up? Does Pitino use Blackshear and his size a bit more, or does he go for quickness and defense? Just a few questions that surround the game itself. I might add some stuff as the week progresses. In a battle of defense, and given the above, it’s pretty hard for me to pass up not only the points here, but the ML as well. 

    5* Louisville +8.5
    1* Louisville ML +380

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    As I’ve stated numerous times, there were a few spots on the bracket in the opening rounds that I knew I wasn’t going to be able to pass up. Survive and advance, get into the Sweet 16 and as long as a few teams took care of business, I knew that I would get Louisville at the price I wanted against Michigan State. That was hopeful spot #1. Hopeful spot #2 sets itself up perfectly for a spot player like me here in the Final Four. Two highly touted coaches, two really good programs, and all in all, these two teams just hate each other. One team has revenge, with a favorable edge of getting to play Kentucky again. The other team has a roster chock full of talent, and the so-called “freight train” status. One team utilizes defensive pressure on the outside, while the other looks to force you inside for that pressure. Throw it out the window. . In a game as intense and hate-filled as this one should be, anything can happen. Of course, some shots will fall, others will not. Louisville’s zone will force Kentucky to beat them from the perimeter, and I could write another thousand words on that zone by the way. What does Louisville change up from the first meeting? What does Kentucky change up? Does Pitino use Blackshear and his size a bit more, or does he go for quickness and defense? Just a few questions that surround the game itself. I might add some stuff as the week progresses. In a battle of defense, and given the above, it’s pretty hard for me to pass up not only the points here, but the ML as well. 

    5* Louisville +8.5
    1* Louisville ML +380

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    Posted: Mar. 27, 2012 - 1:34 PM ET #10

    how in the hell did you type all that in under 2 min.?
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    Neil is the man jmilrod! BOL Neil!
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmilrod:

    how in the hell did you type all that in under 2 min.?

    omg

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    how in the hell did you type all that in under 2 min.?

    omg

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    Neil is the man jmilrod! BOL Neil!

    i've heard this before from others...

    he is also the only one here that has died and came back

    i'll be rooting for the cards here too...

    BOL nropp11

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    Neil is the man jmilrod! BOL Neil!

    i've heard this before from others...

    he is also the only one here that has died and came back

    i'll be rooting for the cards here too...

    BOL nropp11

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmilrod:

    how in the hell did you type all that in under 2 min.?

     

    COPY AND PASTE

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmilrod:

    how in the hell did you type all that in under 2 min.?

     

    COPY AND PASTE

     
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    This is just freaking amazing.  Man....I gotta meet u in person to just tell u how insane this stuff is!  First Zima is on me!!!
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    This is just freaking amazing.  Man....I gotta meet u in person to just tell u how insane this stuff is!  First Zima is on me!!!
     
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    Good luck and thanks!
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    Great read..thanks for the info and ur time
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    Great read..thanks for the info and ur time
     
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    Also...WOW.
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    Cards ML/pts for me..oh yea nice little future wager pending on them as well
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    heck milrod if he can raise from the dead it should be no surprise that he can type like a 14 fingered secretary on meth 

    good luck nropp and go Louisville  
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    good luck nropp and go Louisville  
     
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    Rick Pitino +8.5 is all the public will see in their attempt to knockout the giant.

    While the line says KEN by DD's,bettors would rather rest their heads on a COMFORTABLE pillow called getting points.

    There is no 100% cappers in the world
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    Rick Pitino +8.5 is all the public will see in their attempt to knockout the giant.

    While the line says KEN by DD's,bettors would rather rest their heads on a COMFORTABLE pillow called getting points.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingScorpio:

    Rick Pitino +8.5 is all the public will see in their attempt to knockout the giant.

    While the line says KEN by DD's,bettors would rather rest their heads on a COMFORTABLE pillow called getting points.

    Shut up.

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    Rick Pitino +8.5 is all the public will see in their attempt to knockout the giant.

    While the line says KEN by DD's,bettors would rather rest their heads on a COMFORTABLE pillow called getting points.

    Shut up.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingScorpio:

    Rick Pitino +8.5 is all the public will see in their attempt to knockout the giant.

    While the line says KEN by DD's,bettors would rather rest their heads on a COMFORTABLE pillow called getting points.

    Then bet it! Pretty fucking simple isn't it?

    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Rick Pitino +8.5 is all the public will see in their attempt to knockout the giant.

    While the line says KEN by DD's,bettors would rather rest their heads on a COMFORTABLE pillow called getting points.

    Then bet it! Pretty fucking simple isn't it?

     
     
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