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    Wow the PBF/Hatton line just nosedived...

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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 11:53 AM ET #1

    Not sure about Boxing but a 20 cent drop in a few hours is pretty substantial.  I swore Hatton was at +180 this morning and is not sitting at +160.  I am really hoping that this is because of the English backers throwing cash on their boy, but who knows.  I am backing PBF and it worries me a bit...
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    Not sure about Boxing but a 20 cent drop in a few hours is pretty substantial.  I swore Hatton was at +180 this morning and is not sitting at +160.  I am really hoping that this is because of the English backers throwing cash on their boy, but who knows.  I am backing PBF and it worries me a bit...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:10 PM ET #2

    This was expected, as the work week ended, travel began, and the planes start coming in from England, full of Hatton money.
    I wrote it earlier this week, and am not always right but nailed this one - don't buy Floyd mid-week. The time to buy is Saturday morning, or late afternoon.
     
    Again, I may be wrong, it happens, but I think by early evening you will see the sharp money waited, correctly, for the price to drop as Brits arrived, then they will hit the counter and drive it back up, getting the line at it's most advantageous before the rise.
     
    Aside from who wins the bout, when to buy is a handicapping art all on it's own, more so in boxing than in any other sport, because of the line moves and time differential between when the opening line goes up and actual fight time, which is months later.
     
    It makes world of difference to your bank account.
    Example, let's say Floyd loses tonight. Impulse buyers who bought immediately can lose as much as -280 to -300. To lose 3 units means the profit from THREE other fights (assuming they were favs and not dogs at + money) handicapped correctly are wasted. If purchased correctly, the loss could be greatly reduced, if you buy Floyd at -180 for example, which just saved you +120, or kept one of those three wins in your pocket. 
     
    Taking into consideration betting habits, knowing betting habits, knowing which boxers have huge followings, which ones have pure fans as opposed to betting fans, is very helpful (I spent 6 years running a sports book on the strip, and that experience helps me tremendously. That, and I'm a bit of a math-head.)
     
    Good luck with your play today . . .
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    This was expected, as the work week ended, travel began, and the planes start coming in from England, full of Hatton money.
    I wrote it earlier this week, and am not always right but nailed this one - don't buy Floyd mid-week. The time to buy is Saturday morning, or late afternoon.
     
    Again, I may be wrong, it happens, but I think by early evening you will see the sharp money waited, correctly, for the price to drop as Brits arrived, then they will hit the counter and drive it back up, getting the line at it's most advantageous before the rise.
     
    Aside from who wins the bout, when to buy is a handicapping art all on it's own, more so in boxing than in any other sport, because of the line moves and time differential between when the opening line goes up and actual fight time, which is months later.
     
    It makes world of difference to your bank account.
    Example, let's say Floyd loses tonight. Impulse buyers who bought immediately can lose as much as -280 to -300. To lose 3 units means the profit from THREE other fights (assuming they were favs and not dogs at + money) handicapped correctly are wasted. If purchased correctly, the loss could be greatly reduced, if you buy Floyd at -180 for example, which just saved you +120, or kept one of those three wins in your pocket. 
     
    Taking into consideration betting habits, knowing betting habits, knowing which boxers have huge followings, which ones have pure fans as opposed to betting fans, is very helpful (I spent 6 years running a sports book on the strip, and that experience helps me tremendously. That, and I'm a bit of a math-head.)
     
    Good luck with your play today . . .
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:43 PM ET #3

    My book hasn't moved.  I want to take PBF, but not at -220.  I keep hearing about this british invasion driving the line down.  it doesn't seem to be happening.
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    My book hasn't moved.  I want to take PBF, but not at -220.  I keep hearing about this british invasion driving the line down.  it doesn't seem to be happening.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:51 PM ET #4

    The effect won't be the same in the popular on-line houses, England has it's own share of those. Vegas is a good place to be for this one, as the moves are much more noticeable in the various hotels here, where the Brit tourist money is moving the #. Not sure which house you refer to when you say my book, but I'd suggest you make that plural - if you have only one account, get a second if possible. There is some diveristy on line for this one.
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    The effect won't be the same in the popular on-line houses, England has it's own share of those. Vegas is a good place to be for this one, as the moves are much more noticeable in the various hotels here, where the Brit tourist money is moving the #. Not sure which house you refer to when you say my book, but I'd suggest you make that plural - if you have only one account, get a second if possible. There is some diveristy on line for this one.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:51 PM ET #5

    The moneylines at most books have gone down the drain, unless, of course, you want Floyd.
     
    Good stuff, Sonny.  Well written.  I do think the time to strike for PBF is right about now before the really heavy Floyd money crashes the moneyline on the reverse.
     
    This is going to be a good one, guys.  Hatton is going to hurt PBF early, but he won't be able to finish.  Then, it's going to go to the judges, and someone is going to get fckued over.  Then, there'll be a re-match.  Perhaps in London.  In Wembley for a re-match of PBF/Hatton (if there is typical controversy after tonight's decision), 80,000 would fill the stadium.  The money to be made by all involved would be staggering.  I think this is going to happen.
     
    If there is one sport where money talks the loudest, it is boxing.
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    The moneylines at most books have gone down the drain, unless, of course, you want Floyd.
     
    Good stuff, Sonny.  Well written.  I do think the time to strike for PBF is right about now before the really heavy Floyd money crashes the moneyline on the reverse.
     
    This is going to be a good one, guys.  Hatton is going to hurt PBF early, but he won't be able to finish.  Then, it's going to go to the judges, and someone is going to get fckued over.  Then, there'll be a re-match.  Perhaps in London.  In Wembley for a re-match of PBF/Hatton (if there is typical controversy after tonight's decision), 80,000 would fill the stadium.  The money to be made by all involved would be staggering.  I think this is going to happen.
     
    If there is one sport where money talks the loudest, it is boxing.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:51 PM ET #6

    My book hasn't moved.  I want to take PBF, but not at -220.  I keep hearing about this british invasion driving the line down.  it doesn't seem to be happening.
     
     
    It is happening...don't know why your book hasn't adjusted....I saw FM -193 at the Palms in Las Vegas last night....haven't checked the line this yet today to see if it's moved...expect the line to drop a little more and then be driven up shortly before the fight....sharps are all over FM just waiting to pounce at the right price.
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    My book hasn't moved.  I want to take PBF, but not at -220.  I keep hearing about this british invasion driving the line down.  it doesn't seem to be happening.
     
     
    It is happening...don't know why your book hasn't adjusted....I saw FM -193 at the Palms in Las Vegas last night....haven't checked the line this yet today to see if it's moved...expect the line to drop a little more and then be driven up shortly before the fight....sharps are all over FM just waiting to pounce at the right price.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:54 PM ET #7

    Mayweather is -165 in the UK right now.
     
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    Mayweather is -165 in the UK right now.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:57 PM ET #8

    Make it -160
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    Make it -160
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:58 PM ET #9

    Lot of rumors flying around right now.  Most are insane, so am not paying any attention.
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    Lot of rumors flying around right now.  Most are insane, so am not paying any attention.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 1:01 PM ET #10

    Whats that Clay..?
     
    All thats happening is the patriotic English lads are getting stuck in.
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    Whats that Clay..?
     
    All thats happening is the patriotic English lads are getting stuck in.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 1:11 PM ET #11

    Here are 3 of 'em, Manchester-
     
    1) Floyd is sick today and is lying in bed right now hoping to feel better.
    2) Another "fan man" idiot is going to fly in to the ring during the match.
    3) And, of course, tonight's match is a fixed draw.  Both fighters are in cahoots and know to take it the distance---all for a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE payday re-match in Wembley.
     
    Money talks........
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    Here are 3 of 'em, Manchester-
     
    1) Floyd is sick today and is lying in bed right now hoping to feel better.
    2) Another "fan man" idiot is going to fly in to the ring during the match.
    3) And, of course, tonight's match is a fixed draw.  Both fighters are in cahoots and know to take it the distance---all for a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE payday re-match in Wembley.
     
    Money talks........
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 1:15 PM ET #12

    #3 is the best one.....that all this hatred hoopla between the 2 is just to sell tickets and then generate a re-match.
     
    Both are acting the roles.
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    #3 is the best one.....that all this hatred hoopla between the 2 is just to sell tickets and then generate a re-match.
     
    Both are acting the roles.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 1:22 PM ET #13

    3 is the most valid one if your gonna believe any.
     
    The pre fight stuff is just to get us all to click the PPV  button.
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    3 is the most valid one if your gonna believe any.
     
    The pre fight stuff is just to get us all to click the PPV  button.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 1:30 PM ET #14

    Ya gotta love the loyal Brits and the haters piling on Hatton making Floyd such a bargain!! This dude is a top 5 greatest of all time and should role tonight.

    Thank you Brits and haters!!!
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    Ya gotta love the loyal Brits and the haters piling on Hatton making Floyd such a bargain!! This dude is a top 5 greatest of all time and should role tonight.

    Thank you Brits and haters!!!
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 2:25 PM ET #15

    Not @ MY BOOK  -250 pbf
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    Not @ MY BOOK  -250 pbf
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 2:42 PM ET #16

    - 157
     
    And with that Im off to bed,get up for the right at 4am.
     
    Id wish you good luck but I wont cause I dont fcking mean it.
     
     
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    - 157
     
    And with that Im off to bed,get up for the right at 4am.
     
    Id wish you good luck but I wont cause I dont fcking mean it.
     
     
     COMMON RICKY  
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 6:05 PM ET #17

    i put a nickel on PBF this afternoon at -200.  my book was -260 earlier in the week and -220 last night.

    thegreek was -200 last night and now is -220.  i think a ton of PBF money will come in over the next few hours.  i've heard the same thing for months...wait till the brits come in a drive the line donw, then get on PBF.

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    i put a nickel on PBF this afternoon at -200.  my book was -260 earlier in the week and -220 last night.

    thegreek was -200 last night and now is -220.  i think a ton of PBF money will come in over the next few hours.  i've heard the same thing for months...wait till the brits come in a drive the line donw, then get on PBF.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Here are 3 of 'em, Manchester-
     
    1) Floyd is sick today and is lying in bed right now hoping to feel better.
    2) Another "fan man" idiot is going to fly in to the ring during the match.
    3) And, of course, tonight's match is a fixed draw.  Both fighters are in cahoots and know to take it the distance---all for a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE payday re-match in Wembley.
     
    Money talks........


    Well #2 is impossible, the fight is indoors at the MGM Grand not outside at Caesars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Here are 3 of 'em, Manchester-
     
    1) Floyd is sick today and is lying in bed right now hoping to feel better.
    2) Another "fan man" idiot is going to fly in to the ring during the match.
    3) And, of course, tonight's match is a fixed draw.  Both fighters are in cahoots and know to take it the distance---all for a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE payday re-match in Wembley.
     
    Money talks........


    Well #2 is impossible, the fight is indoors at the MGM Grand not outside at Caesars.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 6:17 PM ET #19

    Fullbrights-
     
    I know, man, it was laughable when I read about it.
     
    But in freakin boxing, there is absolutely nothing that would shock me....and I mean nothing.
     
    I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if some sort of crap happens during the fight where some idiot somehow gets inside the ring.
     
    In boxing, everything can and will happen.
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    Fullbrights-
     
    I know, man, it was laughable when I read about it.
     
    But in freakin boxing, there is absolutely nothing that would shock me....and I mean nothing.
     
    I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if some sort of crap happens during the fight where some idiot somehow gets inside the ring.
     
    In boxing, everything can and will happen.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Fullbrights-
     
    I know, man, it was laughable when I read about it.
     
    But in freakin boxing, there is absolutely nothing that would shock me....and I mean nothing.
     
    I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if some sort of crap happens during the fight where some idiot somehow gets inside the ring.
     
    In boxing, everything can and will happen.


    Oh, I completely agree. I have seen a lot.  I don't however think you see a disturbance tonight in-ring, security will be super tight.  I think that Nevada learned it's lesson with the Mayweather crew after the Judah fight and have beefed up security since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    Fullbrights-
     
    I know, man, it was laughable when I read about it.
     
    But in freakin boxing, there is absolutely nothing that would shock me....and I mean nothing.
     
    I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if some sort of crap happens during the fight where some idiot somehow gets inside the ring.
     
    In boxing, everything can and will happen.


    Oh, I completely agree. I have seen a lot.  I don't however think you see a disturbance tonight in-ring, security will be super tight.  I think that Nevada learned it's lesson with the Mayweather crew after the Judah fight and have beefed up security since.
     
    whereismyhat
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 6:48 PM ET #21

    My bookie just gave me the line at -200 and +160
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    My bookie just gave me the line at -200 and +160
     
    JW1LS
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 8:18 PM ET #22

    currently -260 and +210 at mine.  just shot up from earlier
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    currently -260 and +210 at mine.  just shot up from earlier
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 8:43 PM ET #23

    man I guess I am not used to boxing lines and the movement.  It opened at +180 today for Hatton, dropped to +160, got all the way back up to +210 (at the greek) and now it dropped back down to +200.  I am good at reading lines for football, but this is kinda crazy.  Is this the norm for boxing matches or should I be thinking about whats going on?
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    man I guess I am not used to boxing lines and the movement.  It opened at +180 today for Hatton, dropped to +160, got all the way back up to +210 (at the greek) and now it dropped back down to +200.  I am good at reading lines for football, but this is kinda crazy.  Is this the norm for boxing matches or should I be thinking about whats going on?
     
    CrusCrnshw
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 8:47 PM ET #24

    I have -175 and +150. sounds good for Pretty boy huh?
     
    should i unload a bit?
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    I have -175 and +150. sounds good for Pretty boy huh?
     
    should i unload a bit?
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 8:53 PM ET #25

    I would do it... I have been waiting at pinny to drop below -200 and it was very close about 4 hours ago it was -201 and someone pound PBF hard and now is PBF -228
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    I would do it... I have been waiting at pinny to drop below -200 and it was very close about 4 hours ago it was -201 and someone pound PBF hard and now is PBF -228
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