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"IF"
pacquiao fights mayweather
who would win?
pacquiao fights mayweather
who would win?
the never ending argument
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#2
You could make an argument either way.. it's just too bad they'll never actually settle it themselves.. although alot will be riding on Pac's fight with Shane.. in terms of legacy and the "argument".. and in what manner Pacman beats Shane, IF at all.. as far as common opponents go, history will show that Pacman beat them in more convincing fashion than Floyd did (See Oscar, Hatton, perhaps even Marquez). Arguments abound, and always will, legitimizing who is the best.. to me, there's still only one way to find out.. everything else will forever just be speculation... But personally, I like Mayweather by late KO.
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#4
Quote Originally Posted by LarryParker:
You could make an argument either way.. it's just too bad they'll never actually settle it themselves.. although alot will be riding on Pac's fight with Shane.. in terms of legacy and the "argument".. and in what manner Pacman beats Shane, IF at all.. as far as common opponents go, history will show that Pacman beat them in more convincing fashion than Floyd did (See Oscar, Hatton, perhaps even Marquez). Arguments abound, and always will, legitimizing who is the best.. to me, there's still only one way to find out.. everything else will forever just be speculation... But personally, I like Mayweather by late KO.
Marquez ? huh? Marquez arguably beat Manny twice and Mayweather shut him out on the cards how can you say "perhaps even Marquez" ?
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#7
Quote Originally Posted by LarryParker:
@1899
Well, perhaps Manny didn't dominate Marquez the way Mayweather did, at least compared to his destruction of Oscar and Hatton versus that of Mayweather's, but again, it's an argument we're talking about here. So the question, which was proposed by turok, is who wins? So..
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#9
I think the longer the fight takes to happen the better chance Manny has to win. 2 or 3 years ago Mayweather would have won easily ,today it would be a close fight ,in a year or two Manny will probably win just due to the fact Mayweather is fighting less and less and Manny just keeps getting better over time
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#11
If this fight is n 2 years the edge goes to Pac-man.
Watch Floyd in his prime he was lighting quick, now he's just very quick.
If Floyd doesn't start fighting he will end up in jail, if he takes any longer OFF of boxing he will wind up like a Roy Jones.. once those cat like reflexes go.. (and they can go at anytime) he will be in a heap of trouble.
Pac-man loves to box even if it's against washed up opponents or on catch weights.. where as Floyd doesn't seem too interested in boxing and when you lose the love for the sport... you might as well retire.
If this fight was to happen now I would pick Floyd, but 2 years .. edge would go to Pac-man as he doesn't rely on cat like defense to win.
The tell tale signs are there for Floyd (losing some speed) he got tagged against Mosley and buckled on a punch he should have never been hit with.
My belief is Floyd could have been one of the greats, but his lack of fighting and not fighting the high profile fights will doom him forever.
Pac-man fights Floyds left overs after he's dismantled them and are washed up.. comparing how they did against common opponents makes no sense because their styles are different.
Also Floyd fought Oscar at 154 not 147 and Oscar looked ILL NO ONE can deny that. Freddie Roach is even on video saying he knew Oscar was severely dehydrated (he saw track marks on his arms).
Hatton was now a defeated fighter who hit the whiskey bottle after that loss.
And to be fair to Pac-man you cannot compare the Marquez he fought versus the one Floyd did.
Marquez cannot carry that weight he is super slow at 147 he looks like an old man! So the win for Floyd is really no big deal... he hs a bloated 130 pound fighter in front of him. Basically a sparring session.
When Pac-man fought Marquez they were even .. weight and everything.
I'd prefer to see Marquez/Pacman at 140 than Mosley who has looked bad for many outings,
Marquez has earned this shot he's been chasing Pac-man for years... at least you know he won;t take a lay down and he will go out on his shield.
Both guys Pac-man and Floyd could of been greats but they have BOTH chosen paths (MONEY) instead of fighters who give them a real challenge.
I know it's a business... but some how all the other greats fought the best and made money too why can't these two guys do it?
Watch Floyd in his prime he was lighting quick, now he's just very quick.
If Floyd doesn't start fighting he will end up in jail, if he takes any longer OFF of boxing he will wind up like a Roy Jones.. once those cat like reflexes go.. (and they can go at anytime) he will be in a heap of trouble.
Pac-man loves to box even if it's against washed up opponents or on catch weights.. where as Floyd doesn't seem too interested in boxing and when you lose the love for the sport... you might as well retire.
If this fight was to happen now I would pick Floyd, but 2 years .. edge would go to Pac-man as he doesn't rely on cat like defense to win.
The tell tale signs are there for Floyd (losing some speed) he got tagged against Mosley and buckled on a punch he should have never been hit with.
My belief is Floyd could have been one of the greats, but his lack of fighting and not fighting the high profile fights will doom him forever.
Pac-man fights Floyds left overs after he's dismantled them and are washed up.. comparing how they did against common opponents makes no sense because their styles are different.
Also Floyd fought Oscar at 154 not 147 and Oscar looked ILL NO ONE can deny that. Freddie Roach is even on video saying he knew Oscar was severely dehydrated (he saw track marks on his arms).
Hatton was now a defeated fighter who hit the whiskey bottle after that loss.
And to be fair to Pac-man you cannot compare the Marquez he fought versus the one Floyd did.
Marquez cannot carry that weight he is super slow at 147 he looks like an old man! So the win for Floyd is really no big deal... he hs a bloated 130 pound fighter in front of him. Basically a sparring session.
When Pac-man fought Marquez they were even .. weight and everything.
I'd prefer to see Marquez/Pacman at 140 than Mosley who has looked bad for many outings,
Marquez has earned this shot he's been chasing Pac-man for years... at least you know he won;t take a lay down and he will go out on his shield.
Both guys Pac-man and Floyd could of been greats but they have BOTH chosen paths (MONEY) instead of fighters who give them a real challenge.
I know it's a business... but some how all the other greats fought the best and made money too why can't these two guys do it?
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#13
Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
If this fight is n 2 years the edge goes to Pac-man.
Watch Floyd in his prime he was lighting quick, now he's just very quick.
If Floyd doesn't start fighting he will end up in jail, if he takes any longer OFF of boxing he will wind up like a Roy Jones.. once those cat like reflexes go.. (and they can go at anytime) he will be in a heap of trouble.
Pac-man loves to box even if it's against washed up opponents or on catch weights.. where as Floyd doesn't seem too interested in boxing and when you lose the love for the sport... you might as well retire.
If this fight was to happen now I would pick Floyd, but 2 years .. edge would go to Pac-man as he doesn't rely on cat like defense to win.
The tell tale signs are there for Floyd (losing some speed) he got tagged against Mosley and buckled on a punch he should have never been hit with.
My belief is Floyd could have been one of the greats, but his lack of fighting and not fighting the high profile fights will doom him forever.
Pac-man fights Floyds left overs after he's dismantled them and are washed up.. comparing how they did against common opponents makes no sense because their styles are different.
Also Floyd fought Oscar at 154 not 147 and Oscar looked ILL NO ONE can deny that. Freddie Roach is even on video saying he knew Oscar was severely dehydrated (he saw track marks on his arms).
Hatton was now a defeated fighter who hit the whiskey bottle after that loss.
And to be fair to Pac-man you cannot compare the Marquez he fought versus the one Floyd did.
Marquez cannot carry that weight he is super slow at 147 he looks like an old man! So the win for Floyd is really no big deal... he hs a bloated 130 pound fighter in front of him. Basically a sparring session.
When Pac-man fought Marquez they were even .. weight and everything.
I'd prefer to see Marquez/Pacman at 140 than Mosley who has looked bad for many outings,
Marquez has earned this shot he's been chasing Pac-man for years... at least you know he won;t take a lay down and he will go out on his shield.
Both guys Pac-man and Floyd could of been greats but they have BOTH chosen paths (MONEY) instead of fighters who give them a real challenge.
I know it's a business... but some how all the other greats fought the best and made money too why can't these two guys do it?
If this fight is n 2 years the edge goes to Pac-man.
Watch Floyd in his prime he was lighting quick, now he's just very quick.
If Floyd doesn't start fighting he will end up in jail, if he takes any longer OFF of boxing he will wind up like a Roy Jones.. once those cat like reflexes go.. (and they can go at anytime) he will be in a heap of trouble.
Pac-man loves to box even if it's against washed up opponents or on catch weights.. where as Floyd doesn't seem too interested in boxing and when you lose the love for the sport... you might as well retire.
If this fight was to happen now I would pick Floyd, but 2 years .. edge would go to Pac-man as he doesn't rely on cat like defense to win.
The tell tale signs are there for Floyd (losing some speed) he got tagged against Mosley and buckled on a punch he should have never been hit with.
My belief is Floyd could have been one of the greats, but his lack of fighting and not fighting the high profile fights will doom him forever.
Pac-man fights Floyds left overs after he's dismantled them and are washed up.. comparing how they did against common opponents makes no sense because their styles are different.
Also Floyd fought Oscar at 154 not 147 and Oscar looked ILL NO ONE can deny that. Freddie Roach is even on video saying he knew Oscar was severely dehydrated (he saw track marks on his arms).
Hatton was now a defeated fighter who hit the whiskey bottle after that loss.
And to be fair to Pac-man you cannot compare the Marquez he fought versus the one Floyd did.
Marquez cannot carry that weight he is super slow at 147 he looks like an old man! So the win for Floyd is really no big deal... he hs a bloated 130 pound fighter in front of him. Basically a sparring session.
When Pac-man fought Marquez they were even .. weight and everything.
I'd prefer to see Marquez/Pacman at 140 than Mosley who has looked bad for many outings,
Marquez has earned this shot he's been chasing Pac-man for years... at least you know he won;t take a lay down and he will go out on his shield.
Both guys Pac-man and Floyd could of been greats but they have BOTH chosen paths (MONEY) instead of fighters who give them a real challenge.
I know it's a business... but some how all the other greats fought the best and made money too why can't these two guys do it?
Great Post Rich..I agree with everything u have said there. x 2
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#14
Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
If this fight is n 2 years the edge goes to Pac-man.
Watch Floyd in his prime he was lighting quick, now he's just very quick.
If Floyd doesn't start fighting he will end up in jail, if he takes any longer OFF of boxing he will wind up like a Roy Jones.. once those cat like reflexes go.. (and they can go at anytime) he will be in a heap of trouble.
Pac-man loves to box even if it's against washed up opponents or on catch weights.. where as Floyd doesn't seem too interested in boxing and when you lose the love for the sport... you might as well retire.
If this fight was to happen now I would pick Floyd, but 2 years .. edge would go to Pac-man as he doesn't rely on cat like defense to win.
The tell tale signs are there for Floyd (losing some speed) he got tagged against Mosley and buckled on a punch he should have never been hit with.
My belief is Floyd could have been one of the greats, but his lack of fighting and not fighting the high profile fights will doom him forever.
Pac-man fights Floyds left overs after he's dismantled them and are washed up.. comparing how they did against common opponents makes no sense because their styles are different.
Also Floyd fought Oscar at 154 not 147 and Oscar looked ILL NO ONE can deny that. Freddie Roach is even on video saying he knew Oscar was severely dehydrated (he saw track marks on his arms).
Hatton was now a defeated fighter who hit the whiskey bottle after that loss.
And to be fair to Pac-man you cannot compare the Marquez he fought versus the one Floyd did.
Marquez cannot carry that weight he is super slow at 147 he looks like an old man! So the win for Floyd is really no big deal... he hs a bloated 130 pound fighter in front of him. Basically a sparring session.
When Pac-man fought Marquez they were even .. weight and everything.
I'd prefer to see Marquez/Pacman at 140 than Mosley who has looked bad for many outings,
Marquez has earned this shot he's been chasing Pac-man for years... at least you know he won;t take a lay down and he will go out on his shield.
Both guys Pac-man and Floyd could of been greats but they have BOTH chosen paths (MONEY) instead of fighters who give them a real challenge.
I know it's a business... but some how all the other greats fought the best and made money too why can't these two guys do it?
wrong, wrong , wrong, you said that floyd will be like roy jones once he starts too lose some of that speed, floyd is technically one of the greatest fighters who ever lived, he could be a good fighter when he is in his 40's ,technically roy jones did everything wrong and got away with it because of his blazing speed and once he started to slow down he had nothing to fall back on, floyd is the opposite of that, when he loses his speed he can fallback on his technical skills... pacquiao is much like roy jones, relying more on speed than technical skill, although manny is technically much better than he was a few years ago, he still has alot of flaws, so the longer it takes for floyd and manny to fight the bigger the advantage for floyd, once fighters like pacquiao start too lose speed it's a quick downfall, technicall good fighters last longer, think archie moore,bernard hopkins and yes floyd mayweather just to name a few
If this fight is n 2 years the edge goes to Pac-man.
Watch Floyd in his prime he was lighting quick, now he's just very quick.
If Floyd doesn't start fighting he will end up in jail, if he takes any longer OFF of boxing he will wind up like a Roy Jones.. once those cat like reflexes go.. (and they can go at anytime) he will be in a heap of trouble.
Pac-man loves to box even if it's against washed up opponents or on catch weights.. where as Floyd doesn't seem too interested in boxing and when you lose the love for the sport... you might as well retire.
If this fight was to happen now I would pick Floyd, but 2 years .. edge would go to Pac-man as he doesn't rely on cat like defense to win.
The tell tale signs are there for Floyd (losing some speed) he got tagged against Mosley and buckled on a punch he should have never been hit with.
My belief is Floyd could have been one of the greats, but his lack of fighting and not fighting the high profile fights will doom him forever.
Pac-man fights Floyds left overs after he's dismantled them and are washed up.. comparing how they did against common opponents makes no sense because their styles are different.
Also Floyd fought Oscar at 154 not 147 and Oscar looked ILL NO ONE can deny that. Freddie Roach is even on video saying he knew Oscar was severely dehydrated (he saw track marks on his arms).
Hatton was now a defeated fighter who hit the whiskey bottle after that loss.
And to be fair to Pac-man you cannot compare the Marquez he fought versus the one Floyd did.
Marquez cannot carry that weight he is super slow at 147 he looks like an old man! So the win for Floyd is really no big deal... he hs a bloated 130 pound fighter in front of him. Basically a sparring session.
When Pac-man fought Marquez they were even .. weight and everything.
I'd prefer to see Marquez/Pacman at 140 than Mosley who has looked bad for many outings,
Marquez has earned this shot he's been chasing Pac-man for years... at least you know he won;t take a lay down and he will go out on his shield.
Both guys Pac-man and Floyd could of been greats but they have BOTH chosen paths (MONEY) instead of fighters who give them a real challenge.
I know it's a business... but some how all the other greats fought the best and made money too why can't these two guys do it?
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#16
After all is said and done, when it comes to arguing who was better, Manny or Floyd, I don't think anyone BUT hardcore boxing fans such as us will take notice of what condition or in what sequence or in what style common opponents were defeated. What else is there to go on? I mean seriously. All anyone will look at is this, 1. Oscar de la Hoya; Floyd beat him via unanimous decision, Manny destroyed him via 8th round KO. 2. Ricky Hatton; Floyd Knocked him out in 10, Manny in 2. 3. Marquez; Floyd beat him handily over twelve rounds, Manny, over the course of 24 epic rounds with him, drew and won a split decision. 4. Shane Mosely; Floyd won a convincing 12 round unanimous decision, Manny? Well what's to be said after he Knocks Shane out in 6 rounds? If you can't settle it in the ring, Manny is clearly doing the next best thing to cement his position in the argument vs. Floyd; fight and beat Mayweather leftovers, in more convincing fashion. I have to admit, it's a smart move on his part.
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Quote Originally Posted by thesoulpurpose:
wrong, wrong , wrong, you said that floyd will be like roy jones once he starts too lose some of that speed, floyd is technically one of the greatest fighters who ever lived, he could be a good fighter when he is in his 40's ,technically roy jones did everything wrong and got away with it because of his blazing speed and once he started to slow down he had nothing to fall back on, floyd is the opposite of that, when he loses his speed he can fallback on his technical skills... pacquiao is much like roy jones, relying more on speed than technical skill, although manny is technically much better than he was a few years ago, he still has alot of flaws, so the longer it takes for floyd and manny to fight the bigger the advantage for floyd, once fighters like pacquiao start too lose speed it's a quick downfall, technicall good fighters last longer, think archie moore,bernard hopkins and yes floyd mayweather just to name a few
wrong, wrong , wrong, you said that floyd will be like roy jones once he starts too lose some of that speed, floyd is technically one of the greatest fighters who ever lived, he could be a good fighter when he is in his 40's ,technically roy jones did everything wrong and got away with it because of his blazing speed and once he started to slow down he had nothing to fall back on, floyd is the opposite of that, when he loses his speed he can fallback on his technical skills... pacquiao is much like roy jones, relying more on speed than technical skill, although manny is technically much better than he was a few years ago, he still has alot of flaws, so the longer it takes for floyd and manny to fight the bigger the advantage for floyd, once fighters like pacquiao start too lose speed it's a quick downfall, technicall good fighters last longer, think archie moore,bernard hopkins and yes floyd mayweather just to name a few
Exactly. Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones are polar opposites. Also, I don't think anyone will be arguing that Pacquiao should have fought better opposition. That didn't make sense to me at all. He has taken on a murder's row of WW's, only needing Berto and Williams to have literally fought all of them. Floyd didn't do that in 5 years at WW. Pacquiao is a little guy, smaller than Floyd, and will always have more respect amongst peers and fans for his actions in and out of the ring.
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#20
Pac-man had three challenging fights in his career Morales (1) he lost, and the two with Marquez (you be the judge of those two)
Ever since moving up weights he's been fighting a bunch of nobodies after Floyd beat them.
Look at the lines on Pac-man's fights. -800 or so for the past few years.
I believe Manny's style will carry more fans over when he retires than Floyd. He has a more pleasing style for many fight fans.
For the true boxing fans Floyd's boxing ability was bar none amazing defense, great foot work, counter puncher, he had it all.
Both will go to the hall of fame, personally if they don't fight each other I'm putting them in the hall of shame.
Ever since moving up weights he's been fighting a bunch of nobodies after Floyd beat them.
Look at the lines on Pac-man's fights. -800 or so for the past few years.
I believe Manny's style will carry more fans over when he retires than Floyd. He has a more pleasing style for many fight fans.
For the true boxing fans Floyd's boxing ability was bar none amazing defense, great foot work, counter puncher, he had it all.
Both will go to the hall of fame, personally if they don't fight each other I'm putting them in the hall of shame.
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#21
Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:
Pac-man had three challenging fights in his career Morales (1) he lost, and the two with Marquez (you be the judge of those two)
Ever since moving up weights he's been fighting a bunch of nobodies after Floyd beat them.
Look at the lines on Pac-man's fights. -800 or so for the past few years.
I believe Manny's style will carry more fans over when he retires than Floyd. He has a more pleasing style for many fight fans.
For the true boxing fans Floyd's boxing ability was bar none amazing defense, great foot work, counter puncher, he had it all.
Both will go to the hall of fame, personally if they don't fight each other I'm putting them in the hall of shame.
Pac-man had three challenging fights in his career Morales (1) he lost, and the two with Marquez (you be the judge of those two)
Ever since moving up weights he's been fighting a bunch of nobodies after Floyd beat them.
Look at the lines on Pac-man's fights. -800 or so for the past few years.
I believe Manny's style will carry more fans over when he retires than Floyd. He has a more pleasing style for many fight fans.
For the true boxing fans Floyd's boxing ability was bar none amazing defense, great foot work, counter puncher, he had it all.
Both will go to the hall of fame, personally if they don't fight each other I'm putting them in the hall of shame.
Three challenging fights? So Barrera was a scrub the first time? The guy started at 106, and he has fought tougher WW's in the last 2 years than Floyd has in 5. Pacquiao has accomplished more in the sport of boxing than Floyd ever will. I have been watching Floyd since he couldn't sell out 2,000 seats in Michigan. Thank goodness Arturo Gatti (RIP) gave him his shot, otherwise Floyd would have been like Paul Williams. Highly respected, highly unknown. Other than fighting each other, they will always have huge lines when facing their opposition. Either vs. Williams would probably bring a closer line. Floyd needs to nut up and fight, but he lost his fighter's heart.
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#22
I think you mean Pacman has had 3 challenging fights in his career in which he's seen the final bell.. cause he was K'dO by Rustico Torrecampo and some guy named Medgoen Lukchaopormasak, and I know that Hussein had him out on his feet early in their fight, and I wouldn't exactly call Margarito or Cotto nobodies (I do regard Pac's defeat of Cotto his best performance to date). But yes, it's clear he's targeting Floyd's defeated foes, and there is a reason for that. Despite Pac's more crowd pleasing style, despite Floyd's defense first tactics, in the end, these two guys are clearly 1a and 1b on any P4P list, in whatever order you'd like to put them in.. it's so rare we actually get an opportunity to make a legitimate match to settle who is the baddest fighter on the planet.. as we have here and now... it's a travesty we'll be denied. The last time I wanted to see a fight similiar to this was ironically Shane Mosely vs. Felix Trinidad.. we were denied that gem as well.. good day all.
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#25
Quote Originally Posted by LarryParker:
After all is said and done, when it comes to arguing who was better, Manny or Floyd, I don't think anyone BUT hardcore boxing fans such as us will take notice of what condition or in what sequence or in what style common opponents were defeated. What else is there to go on? I mean seriously. All anyone will look at is this, 1. Oscar de la Hoya; Floyd beat him via unanimous decision, Manny destroyed him via 8th round KO. 2. Ricky Hatton; Floyd Knocked him out in 10, Manny in 2. 3. Marquez; Floyd beat him handily over twelve rounds, Manny, over the course of 24 epic rounds with him, drew and won a split decision. 4. Shane Mosely; Floyd won a convincing 12 round unanimous decision, Manny? Well what's to be said after he Knocks Shane out in 6 rounds? If you can't settle it in the ring, Manny is clearly doing the next best thing to cement his position in the argument vs. Floyd; fight and beat Mayweather leftovers, in more convincing fashion. I have to admit, it's a smart move on his part.
Something I came across in an article..
Roach told me that as Mosley went the full 12 rounds with Mayweather it would send out a statement if Pacquiao wins this fight on a stoppage. “He wants everyone to know who the best fighter in the world is,” Roach said — and there would be no better way to do this than by becoming the first to halt Mosley.
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