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    mikeb
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    Posted: Jul. 16, 2009 - 6:43 PM ET #1

    prescott at -300
     
    what do you guys think
     
    was his win over khan a fluke
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    prescott at -300
     
    what do you guys think
     
    was his win over khan a fluke
     
    buckeyeindian24
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 1:17 PM ET #2

    do u think the fight will go the distance?
     
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    do u think the fight will go the distance?
     
     
    Mack05
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 6:17 PM ET #3

    I think this is a fight you should avoid for betting purposes. I remember watching Kiko Martinez knock Bernard Dunne out in 1 round in Dublin (I was at the fight). He caught Dunne cold and of course looked great doing so.
     
    As soon as he fought a boxer (Rendell Munroe) that hand a decent chin, avoid the early barrage and that could eventually outhink and outbox, Martinez was exposed as a very average banger. Bernard Dunne recovered to win the WBA Bantemweight title against Ricardo Cordoba.
     
    I see similarities in Breidis Prescott. Do I think Prescott is better then Khan? No not for one second. Khan has a weak chin so this kind of thing can happen putting him against a banger but I am sure if he survived the first few rounds that he would have completely outboxed Prescott.
     
    Prescott WILL be exposed. Just a matter of when. I will be putting a small saver on the underdog and I will continue to fade Prescott. Lets hope he gets Valero because if he does I will be putting my house on Ed.
     
    Boxing fans see knockouts and think a fighter is the real deal. Prescott is NOT the real deal. He should win this fight but as soon as he steps up in class this guy will be exposed and I will ne cashing in when he does
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    I think this is a fight you should avoid for betting purposes. I remember watching Kiko Martinez knock Bernard Dunne out in 1 round in Dublin (I was at the fight). He caught Dunne cold and of course looked great doing so.
     
    As soon as he fought a boxer (Rendell Munroe) that hand a decent chin, avoid the early barrage and that could eventually outhink and outbox, Martinez was exposed as a very average banger. Bernard Dunne recovered to win the WBA Bantemweight title against Ricardo Cordoba.
     
    I see similarities in Breidis Prescott. Do I think Prescott is better then Khan? No not for one second. Khan has a weak chin so this kind of thing can happen putting him against a banger but I am sure if he survived the first few rounds that he would have completely outboxed Prescott.
     
    Prescott WILL be exposed. Just a matter of when. I will be putting a small saver on the underdog and I will continue to fade Prescott. Lets hope he gets Valero because if he does I will be putting my house on Ed.
     
    Boxing fans see knockouts and think a fighter is the real deal. Prescott is NOT the real deal. He should win this fight but as soon as he steps up in class this guy will be exposed and I will ne cashing in when he does
     
    capmaster2000
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 7:20 PM ET #4

    i'm on vazquez and the over.  prescott will likely win, but i think vazquez is worth a shot.  the over in this fight i think is the best pick of the weekend.  good luck
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    i'm on vazquez and the over.  prescott will likely win, but i think vazquez is worth a shot.  the over in this fight i think is the best pick of the weekend.  good luck
     
    Cee_MoNeY
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 7:31 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    i'm on vazquez and the over.  prescott will likely win, but i think vazquez is worth a shot.  the over in this fight i think is the best pick of the weekend.  good luck

    have to agree but i havent found anything to parlay it with....i dont like playing juicy overs and unders solo

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    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    i'm on vazquez and the over.  prescott will likely win, but i think vazquez is worth a shot.  the over in this fight i think is the best pick of the weekend.  good luck

    have to agree but i havent found anything to parlay it with....i dont like playing juicy overs and unders solo

     
    Fullbrights
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 8:12 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    i'm on vazquez and the over.  prescott will likely win, but i think vazquez is worth a shot.  the over in this fight i think is the best pick of the weekend.  good luck


    I'm on the Vazquez bandwagon also.  I still don't think much of Prescott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    i'm on vazquez and the over.  prescott will likely win, but i think vazquez is worth a shot.  the over in this fight i think is the best pick of the weekend.  good luck


    I'm on the Vazquez bandwagon also.  I still don't think much of Prescott.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 8:55 PM ET #7

    playing vasquez by dec +501
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    playing vasquez by dec +501
     
    nuttyrich
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 9:27 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I think this is a fight you should avoid for betting purposes. I remember watching Kiko Martinez knock Bernard Dunne out in 1 round in Dublin (I was at the fight). He caught Dunne cold and of course looked great doing so.
     
    As soon as he fought a boxer (Rendell Munroe) that hand a decent chin, avoid the early barrage and that could eventually outhink and outbox, Martinez was exposed as a very average banger. Bernard Dunne recovered to win the WBA Bantemweight title against Ricardo Cordoba.
     
    I see similarities in Breidis Prescott. Do I think Prescott is better then Khan? No not for one second. Khan has a weak chin so this kind of thing can happen putting him against a banger but I am sure if he survived the first few rounds that he would have completely outboxed Prescott.
     
    Prescott WILL be exposed. Just a matter of when. I will be putting a small saver on the underdog and I will continue to fade Prescott. Lets hope he gets Valero because if he does I will be putting my house on Ed.
     
    Boxing fans see knockouts and think a fighter is the real deal. Prescott is NOT the real deal. He should win this fight but as soon as he steps up in class this guy will be exposed and I will ne cashing in when he does


    So Khan was a stepping stone? He wasn't a move up in class for Prescott ?

    I agree you don't put a banger in with a guy with a weak chin, but how can you be all over khan this weekend if his chin cannot last?

    A true good boxer finds ways to protect the chin, so Khan will be  a champ but will not fight bangers/brawlers.. because he has a weak chin.. doesn't make sense.. a champ beats everyone.

    Kotelnik is a very durable fighter,the fight this weekend reminds me of a replay of Clottey/ Cotto.. (Khan's back yard) ... Clottey being MUCH better defensively better overall skills.. and IRON chin.. versus a guy with suspect chin, suspect defense...but decent power.

    Difference between Cotto and Khan is Cotto is older now and when he got rocked when he was young against a banger like Ricardo Torres he fought back and found a way to win, Khan just got laid out.

    Taking Khan for so much money is very dangerous not because he cannot win, but because of the chin, and low level opposition, you cannot count a washed up Barrera and well he got leveled by Prescott who is fighting tonight who you say isn't that good.. doesn't speak volumes for Khan..

    I expect a repeat performance same prediction for the Clottey fight (which we know how it was scored).

    I pick Kotenlik he CAN win by KO about a 25 % chance of happening.. and it will go to the scorecards and Khans hand will be raised but the boxing fans will know who won the fight. 

    I will not lay money on this fight due to it's in Khans backyard and we know the scoring is even worse there than it is here for hometown guys.

     Having picked the winner with Clottey only for Cottos hand to be raised isn't a good feeling, but it's boxing politics.

    Khan is the last of what England has left so they will be out in abundance to support Khan (including the judges).

    People will be surprised Kotenlik  is a very good boxer, great left jab, iron chin, good counter puncher, decent speed... nothing "off the charts" just like Clottey... one difference is Kotenlik doesn't go to the ropes he keeps it mostly in the middle and very easy for judges to see a fight.

     Only knock I see against Kotenlik is that he drops his left hand sometimes and can be countered with a straight right... just like Clottey..

    Freddie Roach is NOT a good trainer, he has pac-man all he did was hand pick two opponents that were washed up and easy to beat... any B- Fighter would have beaten Oscar and Hatton that night.

    I love Pac-man but his recent two fights should not make him  fighter of the year as he fought two men who were shot coming in. 

    Freddie Roach is way out of his league here easy to put Pac-man in the ring with washed up guys... but putting a very YOUNG 22 year old.. in the ring against a guy who has a better chin, better defense.. and MUCH better opposition.. is a very tough task.. would

    I be taking this fight if I was Khan's mananger or trainer? NO!! He's only 22 years old.. only reason for putting him in is to make money quick before the chin is exposed by REAL fighters in their prime.


    Kotenlik seems like a safe bet as he doesn't have a ton of power like Clottey but the punches DO sting, and Khans Chin... for 12  rounds.. HMM tough call!

    Will be a good fight regardless..

    Good luck Mack you have a lot of guts for putting a ton of money on Khan. I hope you're right ..but man this is a tough pick.. Khan by decision seems like the only answer for Khan.. and well for Kotenlik to win seems like he needs a KO because like Clottey the cards will already be made up..

    If I had to make a play it would be kotenlik a very tiny one.. only for entertainment purposes the line is way too high and the likelihood of Kotenlik  getting a decision in England is .. almost zero.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I think this is a fight you should avoid for betting purposes. I remember watching Kiko Martinez knock Bernard Dunne out in 1 round in Dublin (I was at the fight). He caught Dunne cold and of course looked great doing so.
     
    As soon as he fought a boxer (Rendell Munroe) that hand a decent chin, avoid the early barrage and that could eventually outhink and outbox, Martinez was exposed as a very average banger. Bernard Dunne recovered to win the WBA Bantemweight title against Ricardo Cordoba.
     
    I see similarities in Breidis Prescott. Do I think Prescott is better then Khan? No not for one second. Khan has a weak chin so this kind of thing can happen putting him against a banger but I am sure if he survived the first few rounds that he would have completely outboxed Prescott.
     
    Prescott WILL be exposed. Just a matter of when. I will be putting a small saver on the underdog and I will continue to fade Prescott. Lets hope he gets Valero because if he does I will be putting my house on Ed.
     
    Boxing fans see knockouts and think a fighter is the real deal. Prescott is NOT the real deal. He should win this fight but as soon as he steps up in class this guy will be exposed and I will ne cashing in when he does


    So Khan was a stepping stone? He wasn't a move up in class for Prescott ?

    I agree you don't put a banger in with a guy with a weak chin, but how can you be all over khan this weekend if his chin cannot last?

    A true good boxer finds ways to protect the chin, so Khan will be  a champ but will not fight bangers/brawlers.. because he has a weak chin.. doesn't make sense.. a champ beats everyone.

    Kotelnik is a very durable fighter,the fight this weekend reminds me of a replay of Clottey/ Cotto.. (Khan's back yard) ... Clottey being MUCH better defensively better overall skills.. and IRON chin.. versus a guy with suspect chin, suspect defense...but decent power.

    Difference between Cotto and Khan is Cotto is older now and when he got rocked when he was young against a banger like Ricardo Torres he fought back and found a way to win, Khan just got laid out.

    Taking Khan for so much money is very dangerous not because he cannot win, but because of the chin, and low level opposition, you cannot count a washed up Barrera and well he got leveled by Prescott who is fighting tonight who you say isn't that good.. doesn't speak volumes for Khan..

    I expect a repeat performance same prediction for the Clottey fight (which we know how it was scored).

    I pick Kotenlik he CAN win by KO about a 25 % chance of happening.. and it will go to the scorecards and Khans hand will be raised but the boxing fans will know who won the fight. 

    I will not lay money on this fight due to it's in Khans backyard and we know the scoring is even worse there than it is here for hometown guys.

     Having picked the winner with Clottey only for Cottos hand to be raised isn't a good feeling, but it's boxing politics.

    Khan is the last of what England has left so they will be out in abundance to support Khan (including the judges).

    People will be surprised Kotenlik  is a very good boxer, great left jab, iron chin, good counter puncher, decent speed... nothing "off the charts" just like Clottey... one difference is Kotenlik doesn't go to the ropes he keeps it mostly in the middle and very easy for judges to see a fight.

     Only knock I see against Kotenlik is that he drops his left hand sometimes and can be countered with a straight right... just like Clottey..

    Freddie Roach is NOT a good trainer, he has pac-man all he did was hand pick two opponents that were washed up and easy to beat... any B- Fighter would have beaten Oscar and Hatton that night.

    I love Pac-man but his recent two fights should not make him  fighter of the year as he fought two men who were shot coming in. 

    Freddie Roach is way out of his league here easy to put Pac-man in the ring with washed up guys... but putting a very YOUNG 22 year old.. in the ring against a guy who has a better chin, better defense.. and MUCH better opposition.. is a very tough task.. would

    I be taking this fight if I was Khan's mananger or trainer? NO!! He's only 22 years old.. only reason for putting him in is to make money quick before the chin is exposed by REAL fighters in their prime.


    Kotenlik seems like a safe bet as he doesn't have a ton of power like Clottey but the punches DO sting, and Khans Chin... for 12  rounds.. HMM tough call!

    Will be a good fight regardless..

    Good luck Mack you have a lot of guts for putting a ton of money on Khan. I hope you're right ..but man this is a tough pick.. Khan by decision seems like the only answer for Khan.. and well for Kotenlik to win seems like he needs a KO because like Clottey the cards will already be made up..

    If I had to make a play it would be kotenlik a very tiny one.. only for entertainment purposes the line is way too high and the likelihood of Kotenlik  getting a decision in England is .. almost zero.



     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 9:31 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I think this is a fight you should avoid for betting purposes. I remember watching Kiko Martinez knock Bernard Dunne out in 1 round in Dublin (I was at the fight). He caught Dunne cold and of course looked great doing so.
     
    As soon as he fought a boxer (Rendell Munroe) that hand a decent chin, avoid the early barrage and that could eventually outhink and outbox, Martinez was exposed as a very average banger. Bernard Dunne recovered to win the WBA Bantemweight title against Ricardo Cordoba.
     
    I see similarities in Breidis Prescott. Do I think Prescott is better then Khan? No not for one second. Khan has a weak chin so this kind of thing can happen putting him against a banger but I am sure if he survived the first few rounds that he would have completely outboxed Prescott.
     
    Prescott WILL be exposed. Just a matter of when. I will be putting a small saver on the underdog and I will continue to fade Prescott. Lets hope he gets Valero because if he does I will be putting my house on Ed.
     
    Boxing fans see knockouts and think a fighter is the real deal. Prescott is NOT the real deal. He should win this fight but as soon as he steps up in class this guy will be exposed and I will ne cashing in when he does


    I don't care who wins lol I want to see Valero fight. I hope it's against stiff opposition for once.. maybe more of a boxer/puncher than a brawler because we know they fare against Valero (On the Canvas).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I think this is a fight you should avoid for betting purposes. I remember watching Kiko Martinez knock Bernard Dunne out in 1 round in Dublin (I was at the fight). He caught Dunne cold and of course looked great doing so.
     
    As soon as he fought a boxer (Rendell Munroe) that hand a decent chin, avoid the early barrage and that could eventually outhink and outbox, Martinez was exposed as a very average banger. Bernard Dunne recovered to win the WBA Bantemweight title against Ricardo Cordoba.
     
    I see similarities in Breidis Prescott. Do I think Prescott is better then Khan? No not for one second. Khan has a weak chin so this kind of thing can happen putting him against a banger but I am sure if he survived the first few rounds that he would have completely outboxed Prescott.
     
    Prescott WILL be exposed. Just a matter of when. I will be putting a small saver on the underdog and I will continue to fade Prescott. Lets hope he gets Valero because if he does I will be putting my house on Ed.
     
    Boxing fans see knockouts and think a fighter is the real deal. Prescott is NOT the real deal. He should win this fight but as soon as he steps up in class this guy will be exposed and I will ne cashing in when he does


    I don't care who wins lol I want to see Valero fight. I hope it's against stiff opposition for once.. maybe more of a boxer/puncher than a brawler because we know they fare against Valero (On the Canvas).
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 9:39 PM ET #10

    I agree with a lot of what Rich said (not about Roach though).  Except I predict straight up that Kotelnik knocks Khan out.  Khan may have the worst chin of any world class boxer in the game.

     


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    I agree with a lot of what Rich said (not about Roach though).  Except I predict straight up that Kotelnik knocks Khan out.  Khan may have the worst chin of any world class boxer in the game.

     


     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 9:53 PM ET #11

    Atmanne Roach is not bad, but he is getting all that acclaim.. from one fighter yes he gets credit for hand picking Oscar and Hatton.. and making it more than what it was.. but really Pac-man didn't need Freddie Roach, Roach needed him.. they work well together but Roach is no super trainer- I love pac-man and I like Roach .. but fact is Pac-man and Roach got honors for beating 2 washed up fighters...

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    Atmanne Roach is not bad, but he is getting all that acclaim.. from one fighter yes he gets credit for hand picking Oscar and Hatton.. and making it more than what it was.. but really Pac-man didn't need Freddie Roach, Roach needed him.. they work well together but Roach is no super trainer- I love pac-man and I like Roach .. but fact is Pac-man and Roach got honors for beating 2 washed up fighters...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Atmanne Roach is not bad, but he is getting all that acclaim.. from one fighter yes he gets credit for hand picking Oscar and Hatton.. and making it more than what it was.. but really Pac-man didn't need Freddie Roach, Roach needed him.. they work well together but Roach is no super trainer- I love pac-man and I like Roach .. but fact is Pac-man and Roach got honors for beating 2 washed up fighters...

    he gets too much credit for handpicking his fighters oppenents and winning match ups with brillant gameplans...but can he ever fix khans chin...i doubt it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    Atmanne Roach is not bad, but he is getting all that acclaim.. from one fighter yes he gets credit for hand picking Oscar and Hatton.. and making it more than what it was.. but really Pac-man didn't need Freddie Roach, Roach needed him.. they work well together but Roach is no super trainer- I love pac-man and I like Roach .. but fact is Pac-man and Roach got honors for beating 2 washed up fighters...

    he gets too much credit for handpicking his fighters oppenents and winning match ups with brillant gameplans...but can he ever fix khans chin...i doubt it...

     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 10:42 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Cee_MoNeY:

    he gets too much credit for handpicking his fighters oppenents and winning match ups with brillant gameplans...but can he ever fix khans chin...i doubt it...



    Yes but a brilliant game plan  indeed, but carried out by Manny Pacquio. Khan is NO Pac-man ... :)  I will give credit to Freddie Roach if he makes this fight look easy, this is a fight I would not be throwing a 22 year old in especially with a suspect chin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cee_MoNeY:

    he gets too much credit for handpicking his fighters oppenents and winning match ups with brillant gameplans...but can he ever fix khans chin...i doubt it...



    Yes but a brilliant game plan  indeed, but carried out by Manny Pacquio. Khan is NO Pac-man ... :)  I will give credit to Freddie Roach if he makes this fight look easy, this is a fight I would not be throwing a 22 year old in especially with a suspect chin.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 10:45 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Cee_MoNeY:

    he gets too much credit for handpicking his fighters oppenents and winning match ups with brillant gameplans...but can he ever fix khans chin...i doubt it...



    I agree and I don't think the move up in weight is going to really help either.  Kotelnik isn't a big puncher by any means at all, but I still think he can stop Khan.  I thought that he even made Maidana wince a couple of times to the body.  I mean Khan has been down what 5 times?  Against whom?  I definitely think Kotelnik is the best fighter he's faced to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cee_MoNeY:

    he gets too much credit for handpicking his fighters oppenents and winning match ups with brillant gameplans...but can he ever fix khans chin...i doubt it...



    I agree and I don't think the move up in weight is going to really help either.  Kotelnik isn't a big puncher by any means at all, but I still think he can stop Khan.  I thought that he even made Maidana wince a couple of times to the body.  I mean Khan has been down what 5 times?  Against whom?  I definitely think Kotelnik is the best fighter he's faced to date.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:33 PM ET #15

    Did Vazquez watch the Khan tape in his locker room or something he is so nervous you would think he is in the ring with King Kong.  Going down from that jab was pitiful, he is so jittery he has no balance.  Bad 1st round that's for sure.
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    Did Vazquez watch the Khan tape in his locker room or something he is so nervous you would think he is in the ring with King Kong.  Going down from that jab was pitiful, he is so jittery he has no balance.  Bad 1st round that's for sure.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:40 PM ET #16

    Don't know if I am the only one watching it, but Vazquez looking a bit better now.  His jab is having some success now at keeping Prescott at bay.

    2-1 Prescott
    29-27 Prescott
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    Don't know if I am the only one watching it, but Vazquez looking a bit better now.  His jab is having some success now at keeping Prescott at bay.

    2-1 Prescott
    29-27 Prescott
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:45 PM ET #17

    Could have caught a break with Prescott's glove touching in the fourth, but Cortez didn't see it.
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    Could have caught a break with Prescott's glove touching in the fourth, but Cortez didn't see it.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:49 PM ET #18

    I got it...

    3-2 Vazquez through 5

    47-47

    Vazquez is really making this his type of fight.  Really wish that flash KD would have never happened in the 1st, I would be feeling good right now.
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    I got it...

    3-2 Vazquez through 5

    47-47

    Vazquez is really making this his type of fight.  Really wish that flash KD would have never happened in the 1st, I would be feeling good right now.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:49 PM ET #19

    Teddy has it 48-46 Vazquez through 5.
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    Teddy has it 48-46 Vazquez through 5.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:52 PM ET #20

    Round 6 to Vazquez here.

    Got it 57-56 Vazquez
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    Round 6 to Vazquez here.

    Got it 57-56 Vazquez
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:56 PM ET #21

    I think Vazquez outworked him in round 7.

    67-65 Vazquez here.
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    I think Vazquez outworked him in round 7.

    67-65 Vazquez here.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:58 PM ET #22

    Teddy has it 68-64 Vazquez, that worries me.
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    Teddy has it 68-64 Vazquez, that worries me.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 17, 2009 - 11:59 PM ET #23

    Vazquez is fighting well, but Tessitore and Teddy are completely ignoring everything Prescott does.
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    Vazquez is fighting well, but Tessitore and Teddy are completely ignoring everything Prescott does.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2009 - 12:01 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by jjj2121:

    Vazquez is fighting well, but Tessitore and Teddy are completely ignoring everything Prescott does.


    I don't know, I mean he is throwing flashy power shots, but they are not coming close to landing.  He did look a bit better in round 8 it was the closest in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjj2121:

    Vazquez is fighting well, but Tessitore and Teddy are completely ignoring everything Prescott does.


    I don't know, I mean he is throwing flashy power shots, but they are not coming close to landing.  He did look a bit better in round 8 it was the closest in a while.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2009 - 12:05 AM ET #25

    I have it 86-84 Vazquez heading to the final round.
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    I have it 86-84 Vazquez heading to the final round.
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