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    Plays for the Weekend (BAD Soto-Guzman, VS, Shobox)

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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2007 - 4:54 PM ET #1

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    2006 Results (March-July): +19.2 units (+$1,920)
    Last Week: +4.19 units ($419)
    2007 to date: +33.48 units (+$3,348)

    Well, I will be catching up on watching last week's action this weekend, but I also like what we have on tap live this weekend even though it isn't much.  Soto-Guzman should be a barnburner.  I like Guzman's boxing ability here, I know Soto is tough, but I really don't think he is a legit top level guy.  Anybody who struggles against Bobby Pac for a spell isn't that great in my book.  I got an early low limit  5dimes line on that one, the line initially rose close to 2-1, but it is now back down to near -150.  I played Buendia tonight on Versus over at thegreek, it's still at +275; far too wide in my opinion.  I thought about taking the over in the Rahman fight, but I'm not sure if Lawrence has any chin at all anymore.  I will probably play Abell ITD when it is offered.

    .75 of a unit on Buendia (+275) vs Soto-Karass
    1.8 units on Guzman (-120) vs Soto
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    2006 Results (March-July): +19.2 units (+$1,920)
    Last Week: +4.19 units ($419)
    2007 to date: +33.48 units (+$3,348)

    Well, I will be catching up on watching last week's action this weekend, but I also like what we have on tap live this weekend even though it isn't much.  Soto-Guzman should be a barnburner.  I like Guzman's boxing ability here, I know Soto is tough, but I really don't think he is a legit top level guy.  Anybody who struggles against Bobby Pac for a spell isn't that great in my book.  I got an early low limit  5dimes line on that one, the line initially rose close to 2-1, but it is now back down to near -150.  I played Buendia tonight on Versus over at thegreek, it's still at +275; far too wide in my opinion.  I thought about taking the over in the Rahman fight, but I'm not sure if Lawrence has any chin at all anymore.  I will probably play Abell ITD when it is offered.

    .75 of a unit on Buendia (+275) vs Soto-Karass
    1.8 units on Guzman (-120) vs Soto
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2007 - 5:06 PM ET #2

    IF I could find Buendia at 3:1 or more, I might give that side a sniff. He has something of a shot here, but I need a better ROI.

    I lean towards agrying on Guzman. But I'm waiting to play that one.


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    IF I could find Buendia at 3:1 or more, I might give that side a sniff. He has something of a shot here, but I need a better ROI.

    I lean towards agrying on Guzman. But I'm waiting to play that one.


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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2007 - 5:14 PM ET #3

    With the roll that Dunkin managed fighters have been on lately he might could throw you in there and come out with a win.  I don't think you will see the number climb to +300 anywhere, but I have been wrong before.  I still think the odds are way too wide as is.


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    With the roll that Dunkin managed fighters have been on lately he might could throw you in there and come out with a win.  I don't think you will see the number climb to +300 anywhere, but I have been wrong before.  I still think the odds are way too wide as is.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2007 - 5:18 PM ET #4

    Pending Futures:
    2 units on over 9.5 rounds (+120) in Vargas-Mayorga
    .60 of a unit on Virgil Hill (+425) vs Arslan
    .40 of a unit on Barashian (+750) vs Ulrich
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    Pending Futures:
    2 units on over 9.5 rounds (+120) in Vargas-Mayorga
    .60 of a unit on Virgil Hill (+425) vs Arslan
    .40 of a unit on Barashian (+750) vs Ulrich
     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2007 - 6:35 PM ET #5

    A few more plays......

    2 fight parlay
    1.45 units to win 1.01
    Under 9.5 rounds in Abell-Oruh (-170)
    Virchis (-1500)

    I think you either see Abell get the chinny Oruh out of there very early or you see Oruh wear down the former football player (see Chambers-Rossy) in the middle to later rounds.  I would play Oruh straight up sticking with my always bet a "real" boxer over a football crossover philosophy, but his chin is crap; this is why I was actually considering an Abell ITD play, but I think I will just stick with the under.  Virchis is just thrown in there to bring the price down a tad.

    .60 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-115) in Drozd-Barros


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    A few more plays......

    2 fight parlay
    1.45 units to win 1.01
    Under 9.5 rounds in Abell-Oruh (-170)
    Virchis (-1500)

    I think you either see Abell get the chinny Oruh out of there very early or you see Oruh wear down the former football player (see Chambers-Rossy) in the middle to later rounds.  I would play Oruh straight up sticking with my always bet a "real" boxer over a football crossover philosophy, but his chin is crap; this is why I was actually considering an Abell ITD play, but I think I will just stick with the under.  Virchis is just thrown in there to bring the price down a tad.

    .60 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-115) in Drozd-Barros


     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 1:31 AM ET #6

    So far:
     
    Oruh vs Abell < 9.5 -200 $500 to win $250
    Guzman beats Soto -160 $320 to win $200
     
    A2C / BIG-E / FULLBRIGHTSES
     
    WHAT are your opinions on Figuerro vs Rodriguez and HOW LIVE do you think Hoffman will be against Dimitrenko?
     
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    So far:
     
    Oruh vs Abell < 9.5 -200 $500 to win $250
    Guzman beats Soto -160 $320 to win $200
     
    A2C / BIG-E / FULLBRIGHTSES
     
    WHAT are your opinions on Figuerro vs Rodriguez and HOW LIVE do you think Hoffman will be against Dimitrenko?
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 8:25 AM ET #7

    I seen Soto down mountaineer. He definetly is tough. But I'm on Guzman also.
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    I seen Soto down mountaineer. He definetly is tough. But I'm on Guzman also.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 11:53 AM ET #8


    .75 of a unit on Buendia (+275) vs Soto-Karass

    Not even the Dunkin rabbits foot could help last night.  Buendia was game, but Karass was too focused and rugged.  I think his sparring with Margarito really had him prepared for last night.
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    .75 of a unit on Buendia (+275) vs Soto-Karass

    Not even the Dunkin rabbits foot could help last night.  Buendia was game, but Karass was too focused and rugged.  I think his sparring with Margarito really had him prepared for last night.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 12:11 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by snippets69:

    So far:
     
    Oruh vs Abell < 9.5 -200 $500 to win $250
    Guzman beats Soto -160 $320 to win $200
     
    A2C / BIG-E / FULLBRIGHTSES
     
    WHAT are your opinions on Figuerro vs Rodriguez and HOW LIVE do you think Hoffman will be against Dimitrenko?
     


    Agree with your current plays of course because I am on them also.

    I haven's seen any odds offered on Figueroa-Rodriguez at my books, but on first glance I would side with Figueroa, that being said I know nothing of Rodriguez except what is out there on the informational sites.  A point against playing Figueroa, betting on a Buddy McGirt fighter has not been a good thing as of late.

    On the Hoffman-Dimitrenko fight.  I have seen both in action several times, Hoffman is the old stereotypical European heavyweight; a very slow plodder with some decent pop.  I am not sold on Dimitrenko's chin, but he should win a decision nod here as he much more skilled than Timo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by snippets69:

    So far:
     
    Oruh vs Abell < 9.5 -200 $500 to win $250
    Guzman beats Soto -160 $320 to win $200
     
    A2C / BIG-E / FULLBRIGHTSES
     
    WHAT are your opinions on Figuerro vs Rodriguez and HOW LIVE do you think Hoffman will be against Dimitrenko?
     


    Agree with your current plays of course because I am on them also.

    I haven's seen any odds offered on Figueroa-Rodriguez at my books, but on first glance I would side with Figueroa, that being said I know nothing of Rodriguez except what is out there on the informational sites.  A point against playing Figueroa, betting on a Buddy McGirt fighter has not been a good thing as of late.

    On the Hoffman-Dimitrenko fight.  I have seen both in action several times, Hoffman is the old stereotypical European heavyweight; a very slow plodder with some decent pop.  I am not sold on Dimitrenko's chin, but he should win a decision nod here as he much more skilled than Timo.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 12:17 PM ET #10

    Adding....

    1.8 units on under 9.5 rounds in Ward-Cantrell (-120)

    I don't know much at all about Cantrell, but I love betting against NW/MW regionally based fighters to not last long against fighters with a strong pedigree.  I think that Ward is much more powerful at 168 then he was at 160, I really think he was struggling to make middleweight.  I think this fight is made for Ward to look very good and exciting.
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    Adding....

    1.8 units on under 9.5 rounds in Ward-Cantrell (-120)

    I don't know much at all about Cantrell, but I love betting against NW/MW regionally based fighters to not last long against fighters with a strong pedigree.  I think that Ward is much more powerful at 168 then he was at 160, I really think he was struggling to make middleweight.  I think this fight is made for Ward to look very good and exciting.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 4:44 PM ET #11

    Hofman is hard to stop. So I suppose that qualifies him as live enough to hang around most if not the whole way. & I was just looking at the Weigh-In stills. Alex has a CCCP superHeavy frame, but not (yet) a superHeavy body. He can really fill out in time. & even though they are my boys, I still have to wonder how the Klitschko's are that big (Wald all the more). But I do like Alex's hand-speed, it's not lightening fast, but it might be the fastest of any of the superHeavys out there. I would not try going against Alex. He has homecourt, so only Timo ITD can win. (try that if you must go against)

    I took FF out in a min.wager Parlay. I'm not real sold on either guy here, kinda a least bad siding on my part. HTH's s69.

    I'll agry on that LOW Fbs. As Ward's chin is circumspect, Cantrell is the bigger guy even w/ Ward rising up in Wt.Class.


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    Hofman is hard to stop. So I suppose that qualifies him as live enough to hang around most if not the whole way. & I was just looking at the Weigh-In stills. Alex has a CCCP superHeavy frame, but not (yet) a superHeavy body. He can really fill out in time. & even though they are my boys, I still have to wonder how the Klitschko's are that big (Wald all the more). But I do like Alex's hand-speed, it's not lightening fast, but it might be the fastest of any of the superHeavys out there. I would not try going against Alex. He has homecourt, so only Timo ITD can win. (try that if you must go against)

    I took FF out in a min.wager Parlay. I'm not real sold on either guy here, kinda a least bad siding on my part. HTH's s69.

    I'll agry on that LOW Fbs. As Ward's chin is circumspect, Cantrell is the bigger guy even w/ Ward rising up in Wt.Class.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeiii:

    Hofman is hard to stop. So I suppose that qualifies him as live enough to hang around most if not the whole way. & I was just looking at the Weigh-In stills. Alex has a CCCP superHeavy frame, but not (yet) a superHeavy body. He can really fill out in time. & even though they are my boys, I still have to wonder how the Klitschko's are that big (Wald all the more). But I do like Alex's hand-speed, it's not lightening fast, but it might be the fastest of any of the superHeavys out there. I would not try going against Alex. He has homecourt, so only Timo ITD can win. (try that if you must go against)

    I took FF out in a min.wager Parlay. I'm not real sold on either guy here, kinda a least bad siding on my part. HTH's s69.

    I'll agry on that LOW Fbs. As Ward's chin is circumspect, Cantrell is the bigger guy even w/ Ward rising up in Wt.Class.


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    Cantrell is really not much of a light heavy Bigs, he had 3 fights at 175 and just two years ago was regularly making the 160 lb limit.  Ward is a different fighter at 168, I think that you will see that tonight.  From what I hear from a couple of Cali sources he has really shown himself to be a different fighter in this 2007 off-TV run that he has been on at 168 lbs, I am looking forward to seeing for myself tonight.  I went ahead and added a bit more on the under at the new line.

    Adding a bit more to my original play.....
    .75 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-150) in Ward-Cantrell
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeiii:

    Hofman is hard to stop. So I suppose that qualifies him as live enough to hang around most if not the whole way. & I was just looking at the Weigh-In stills. Alex has a CCCP superHeavy frame, but not (yet) a superHeavy body. He can really fill out in time. & even though they are my boys, I still have to wonder how the Klitschko's are that big (Wald all the more). But I do like Alex's hand-speed, it's not lightening fast, but it might be the fastest of any of the superHeavys out there. I would not try going against Alex. He has homecourt, so only Timo ITD can win. (try that if you must go against)

    I took FF out in a min.wager Parlay. I'm not real sold on either guy here, kinda a least bad siding on my part. HTH's s69.

    I'll agry on that LOW Fbs. As Ward's chin is circumspect, Cantrell is the bigger guy even w/ Ward rising up in Wt.Class.


    bigeiii


    Cantrell is really not much of a light heavy Bigs, he had 3 fights at 175 and just two years ago was regularly making the 160 lb limit.  Ward is a different fighter at 168, I think that you will see that tonight.  From what I hear from a couple of Cali sources he has really shown himself to be a different fighter in this 2007 off-TV run that he has been on at 168 lbs, I am looking forward to seeing for myself tonight.  I went ahead and added a bit more on the under at the new line.

    Adding a bit more to my original play.....
    .75 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-150) in Ward-Cantrell
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 8:06 PM ET #13

    Interesting that both HBO headliners were 2/10ths over, but Guzman dropped more to get down. (which if one side could ever pull an intended Toledo mishap, this would be quite the oddball head-game swerve to pull on the other side).

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    Interesting that both HBO headliners were 2/10ths over, but Guzman dropped more to get down. (which if one side could ever pull an intended Toledo mishap, this would be quite the oddball head-game swerve to pull on the other side).

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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 8:40 PM ET #14

    I'm watching Jhonny Gonzalez right now on Telefutura, he really needs to move up to 122.  He is not the same fighter at 118 anymore.  The heavy chalk layers should be glad that odds weren't offered here, they would be sweating their small return; I am sure Gonzalez would have been around -2000 or so.

    I have it 3-3 through 6 rounds.
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    I'm watching Jhonny Gonzalez right now on Telefutura, he really needs to move up to 122.  He is not the same fighter at 118 anymore.  The heavy chalk layers should be glad that odds weren't offered here, they would be sweating their small return; I am sure Gonzalez would have been around -2000 or so.

    I have it 3-3 through 6 rounds.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 9:01 PM ET #15

    Close fight, Gonzalez had a point deducted in the 10th for low blows and then came on very strong to close the fight.  I can see the 96-93 card, but the two 98-91 are off IMO.  Crowd booing a bit.  I am glad that Jhonny won, I bet against him with Gerry and will continue to do so if he stays at 118 lbs.

    98-91
    98-91
    96-93

    UD for Gonzalez.


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    Close fight, Gonzalez had a point deducted in the 10th for low blows and then came on very strong to close the fight.  I can see the 96-93 card, but the two 98-91 are off IMO.  Crowd booing a bit.  I am glad that Jhonny won, I bet against him with Gerry and will continue to do so if he stays at 118 lbs.

    98-91
    98-91
    96-93

    UD for Gonzalez.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2007 - 11:38 PM ET #16

    1.8 units on under 9.5 rounds (-120) in Ward-Cantrell
    .75 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-150) in Ward-Cantrell

    Yep, class showed mightily like I said.  Stoppage may have been 5-10 seconds too early, but it was just a matter of time; that was easy work for Andre.  Ward is much more solid at 168 lbs, he should have been there from the beginning of his pro career.

    Should be an interesting heavyweight matchup, WAR under.
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    1.8 units on under 9.5 rounds (-120) in Ward-Cantrell
    .75 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-150) in Ward-Cantrell

    Yep, class showed mightily like I said.  Stoppage may have been 5-10 seconds too early, but it was just a matter of time; that was easy work for Andre.  Ward is much more solid at 168 lbs, he should have been there from the beginning of his pro career.

    Should be an interesting heavyweight matchup, WAR under.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2007 - 12:06 AM ET #17

    We've got a heavyweight girl fight going on in St. Lucia.
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    We've got a heavyweight girl fight going on in St. Lucia.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2007 - 12:35 AM ET #18

    2 fight parlay
    1.45 units to win 1.01

    Under 9.5 rounds in Abell-Oruh (-170)
    Virchis (-1500)

    I definitely didn't see the fight being fought at that pace in the early rounds.   Under bettors needed the 9th and 10th round pace earlier in the fight.  Bad call on my part, usually with these football crossovers you expect a knock out or get knocked out type of pace, but there was a lot more dance to Abell than I thought there would be.  Neither guy had been past 6 before, but you would have never thought that to be the case tonight.

    Won .55 of a unit on the Shobox card tonight, down .20 of a unit for the week headed into tomorrow.
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    2 fight parlay
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    Under 9.5 rounds in Abell-Oruh (-170)
    Virchis (-1500)

    I definitely didn't see the fight being fought at that pace in the early rounds.   Under bettors needed the 9th and 10th round pace earlier in the fight.  Bad call on my part, usually with these football crossovers you expect a knock out or get knocked out type of pace, but there was a lot more dance to Abell than I thought there would be.  Neither guy had been past 6 before, but you would have never thought that to be the case tonight.

    Won .55 of a unit on the Shobox card tonight, down .20 of a unit for the week headed into tomorrow.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2007 - 3:45 PM ET #19

    Can't win EVERY WEEK Fullbrights
     
    Keep posting those winners man
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    Can't win EVERY WEEK Fullbrights
     
    Keep posting those winners man
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2007 - 7:19 PM ET #20


    .60 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-115) in Drozd-Barros

    Back in the positive for the week with Guzman SU pending tonight.  I watched the card from Germany on Streamtv and must say I'm still not sold on Dimentrenko's chin or future.
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    .60 of a unit on under 9.5 rounds (-115) in Drozd-Barros

    Back in the positive for the week with Guzman SU pending tonight.  I watched the card from Germany on Streamtv and must say I'm still not sold on Dimentrenko's chin or future.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2007 - 11:49 PM ET #21

    I added both +$$$'s for Soto ITD, and for the Guzile by a Decision, w/ todays Chalk in hoops & KC next week.


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    I added both +$$$'s for Soto ITD, and for the Guzile by a Decision, w/ todays Chalk in hoops & KC next week.


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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2007 - 12:57 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by bigeiii:

    I added both +$$$'s for Soto ITD, and for the Guzile by a Decision, w/ todays Chalk in hoops & KC next week.


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    Way to cover both potential outcome props.  I take it you pulled in a small profit on the decision since it was small + money if your hoops chalk came through, no way to ever tell with you.  Bold move taking Cintron next week.

    Looks like the Tigers won't get a chance at that Hokie rematch, I hope that you all beat the Cavs next week; I definitely don't want to see BC win the conference and think you all would have a much better chance at beating them then Groh's guys.

    On a sidenote, how funny was Lennox tonight.  He continues to take the former athlete/terrible announcer stereotype to a whole new level.  He definitely provides some comic relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigeiii:

    I added both +$$$'s for Soto ITD, and for the Guzile by a Decision, w/ todays Chalk in hoops & KC next week.


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    Way to cover both potential outcome props.  I take it you pulled in a small profit on the decision since it was small + money if your hoops chalk came through, no way to ever tell with you.  Bold move taking Cintron next week.

    Looks like the Tigers won't get a chance at that Hokie rematch, I hope that you all beat the Cavs next week; I definitely don't want to see BC win the conference and think you all would have a much better chance at beating them then Groh's guys.

    On a sidenote, how funny was Lennox tonight.  He continues to take the former athlete/terrible announcer stereotype to a whole new level.  He definitely provides some comic relief.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2007 - 1:03 AM ET #23

    1.8 units on Guzman (-120) vs Soto

    Won 1.82 units for the week.

    On a more somber note, my Clemson Tigers continue to disappoint.  I said last week that they would lose to BC, but once again I got my hopes up only to be brought back down to the stink of a mediocre bowl once again.  It's pretty bad when you don't really care about a game against your biggest rival, but that's the point I'm at tonight.  I feel bad for Tommy, he's a nice guy, but he just can't win a meaningful game.
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    1.8 units on Guzman (-120) vs Soto

    Won 1.82 units for the week.

    On a more somber note, my Clemson Tigers continue to disappoint.  I said last week that they would lose to BC, but once again I got my hopes up only to be brought back down to the stink of a mediocre bowl once again.  It's pretty bad when you don't really care about a game against your biggest rival, but that's the point I'm at tonight.  I feel bad for Tommy, he's a nice guy, but he just can't win a meaningful game.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2007 - 1:08 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by MMACapper:

    Can't win EVERY WEEK Fullbrights
     
    Keep posting those winners man


    Who says you can't? 



    Closed strong this week to pull out some profit.  A bettor can always dream about never having a losing week, guaranteed profit week in and week out would be "very nice" as Borat would say.
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    Keep posting those winners man


    Who says you can't? 



    Closed strong this week to pull out some profit.  A bettor can always dream about never having a losing week, guaranteed profit week in and week out would be "very nice" as Borat would say.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2007 - 1:54 PM ET #25

    I have to say, that was a little easier for the Guzile than I expected. I kinda though (and +$$$ hoped, from a pure ROI perspective). I kinda thought that somewhere over the course of 36 minutes that Soto might finally get something fiarly good sized, or maybe even big to land on Guzman. He did not. Guz' is pretty dang slick, and for as long as his wheels can motor him around, he will be a tough out, as he's just so darn hard to catch.

    & BTW, it reads like D.Hops continues to be the best of the legacy fighters out there right now.

    Good week, could have been better if the ShoBox Heavyweight LOW had come thru. (but those guys froze up under the unfamiliar TV spotlight)


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    I have to say, that was a little easier for the Guzile than I expected. I kinda though (and +$$$ hoped, from a pure ROI perspective). I kinda thought that somewhere over the course of 36 minutes that Soto might finally get something fiarly good sized, or maybe even big to land on Guzman. He did not. Guz' is pretty dang slick, and for as long as his wheels can motor him around, he will be a tough out, as he's just so darn hard to catch.

    & BTW, it reads like D.Hops continues to be the best of the legacy fighters out there right now.

    Good week, could have been better if the ShoBox Heavyweight LOW had come thru. (but those guys froze up under the unfamiliar TV spotlight)


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