Mayweather v Ortiz

Is Official for September 17th. I think Ortiz is perfect for Floyd..Floyd decision looks the obvious play..Lets hope we have Floyd v Manny next year..

Ortiz style is perfect for Floyd. Not overly quick....will get countered easily....... hopefully this is setup for a Manny/Floyd fight in spring 2012

I dont like Floyd but atleast he is fighting a top guy and not an over the hill guy that his main rival has already beaten and dominated the way Manny picks his fights...and I like Manny but thats the truth

I agree. Manny's toughest opponent was Cotto and he made Cotto fight at 145 instead of 147 even though Manny had already fought at 147 vs DLHoya. Ortiz is by far the toughest opponent either man has fought above 140 lbs.

Any prediction on the odds? I'm guessing Mayweather -375 and Mayweather by dec at -150.

I'm SHOCKED. The opening odds at Bet365.com are as follows:

Those odds sound about right. Ortiz was plus 350 against Berto and clearly PBF is much more of a name and more talented fighter than Berto.
Because I wont take fighters that are over -200, i am sure i will take Ortiz for a small play. I agree Walk, I think Ortiz will come in with a very significant size advantage, but Ortiz is not even in Floyd's ballpark when it comes to skills. We're talking about a guy who if he lost to Berto would have been pushed to the curb pretty fast and had been overall uninspiring in recent years.
Melv

I higly favor Mayweather but I might have to jump on those odds as well (Ortiz +550). Those are downright ignorant and disrespectfull odds. Let's see how long they stay at that value.

Don't bother with the donation.  Take whatever you are planning to blow on Ortiz and throw it down on Mayweather by DEC, which I suspect will be something like -150 odds.  More free $.  Whatever that line is, play it.  Floyd doesnt look for knockouts.  Once Ortiz realizes he cant win, he will just look to survive.  And Floyd will accomodate him.  Ortiz is a puncher so Floyd will just sit back, box, move and take no chances like always.

Floyd is NOT Berto.  Berto has no defense whatsoever.  Floyd is the premier defender in the game.  Lamont Peterson boxed Ortiz to a draw.  I rest my case.

ortiz's defence is not good enough to last the distance in this one, this one will get brutal, floyd wins ever min of every round, for as long as it lasts, ortiz is simply out f his league.

Here is a good article...

Floyd Mayweather announced his comeback this week with predictable bombast, bellowing that his fight against WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz would be "the biggest international boxing event of 2011".

That may come as news to Mayweather's long-time rival Manny Pacquiao, who has firmly established himself as the sport's number one during his hiatus, not to mention the likes of Wladimir Klitschko and David Haye.

Sure, a Mayweather comeback is big news. In fights against the likes of Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton, 'Pretty Boy' has proved himself indisputably one of the most talented fighters ever to lace on gloves.

But as the hype starts to run its predictable course towards his contest with the relatively average Ortiz on September 17, it may even begin to reach Mayweather's attention things have changed in his 16-month absence.

"At this stage of my career, these are the challenges I look for - a young, strong, rising star looking to make his mark in boxing by beating me," said Mayweather.

"I am ready to give my fans a fantastic night of boxing by fighting the best out there."

The inescapable truth for Mayweather is that the longer he resists alluding to the only fight boxing fans are really interested in - against Pacquiao - the more he risks tarnishing his legacy by continuing to fight.

You can dazzle against 41 consecutive opponents and make extraordinary amounts of money in the process, but your claims of all-time greatness begin to ring a little hollow so long as you continue to duck a guy from your own generation.

Ortiz, by contrast, is not that. He is a fine fighter who scored a commendable win over former champion Andre Berto last time out. But all the signs are he is a careless, attacking fighter who is just made for Mayweather.

Ortiz was floored twice by Berto before clambering up to win, and was also floored twice and eventually stopped in the sixth round by former Amir Khan conquest Marcos Maidana back in 2009.

You can hardly blame Mayweather for taking on such a relatively soft touch on his comeback from such a lengthy absence, but the bluster which accompanies it - and in particular, the continued absence of that eight-letter word - just makes him look silly.

The hope for boxing is Mayweather will polish off Ortiz and immediately turn his attention to Pacquiao, shrugging aside the ever-so-spurious dope test argument and at least having his team re-engage in credible talks.

Until he does that, it is only Mayweather who will continue to suffer. Pacquiao has long been deemed the innocent party and most likely now anointed the overwhelming fans' favourite should such a contest ever materialise.

Pacquiao has continued to earn colossal praise for hammering all-comers while Mayweather has lingered in the background in what seems to have been a lavish if rather uncomfortable state of semi-retirement.

Pacquiao speaks of finishing boxing to go into politics and were he to walk out on his sport tomorrow he would do so in the knowledge he had fought and beaten the very best willing and available opponents of his time.

The same could not be said for Mayweather. The sense is the Pacquiao fight is there for taking if he wants it. Instead he seems intent on logging extra alphabet titles and protecting his aura of invincibility against the likes of Ortiz.

Make no mistake, boxing needs the razzle-dazzle swagger of Mayweather. He is a fighter of such sublime gifts boxing folk would send pay-per-view sales skywards just to watch him dance round a heavy bag.

His fight against Ortiz will, indeed, be one of the biggest nights of boxing this year. Even when he predictably dismantles his game but relatively limited opponent, there will be plenty of beauty in the execution.

Mayweather's abiding irritation is there is one more man out there who just might be better than he.The longer he finds ways to put off such a summit, the more the power - now, and for the future - falls into the blurring fists of Pacquiao.

 

This. 

And how is Floyd in the -1000 range, but some people think Floyd by decision will only be -150?

Ortiz won that fight.

I was estatic when the fight was made because I've seen Berto & Ortiz fight live several times and knew Ortiz had a big strength advantage. I wagered a large amount on Ortiz very early at +400, then again after weigh-in at +320. I also did Ortiz win by decision that only allowed a small maximum wager. Even 5dimes.com didn't have the props for this fight which is rare and odd. I also bet over 9.5 rounds -130 which I thought was a great bet before the fight. I felt that once Berto felt Ortiz's power he would move more and not trade punches... by was I wrong. They were hitting each other with haymakers constantly. I was more concerned Berto was run out of gas early once several rounds passed and I had a slight worry Ortiz would get caught cold like he did at one point in the fight. I expected Berto to move and be in and out, but I guess he either didn't want to or more likely wasn't able to change his style mid-fight.

Floyd by UD is .83

That's my play.

Yes I know ortiz won the fight, I was just stating that I dont think now Ortiz has gone up to superstar status from one win. I wasnt clear in why I made that statement. my bad. I actually had Ortiz in that fight as my brother was in CT to watch it and took him so i piggybacked.

 If anyone sees floyd at -150 decision please let me know the site that is offering that price, If Floyd is -1000 he will be around -700 by decision, if i had to make a guess.

rza where did you see that line. I'd open an account there to get that play in.
thanks
Melv

I agree with WalktheLine.

People that haven't boxed don't see the difficulty of fighting Ortiz. He's athletic and in his physical prime, he has both an inside and outside game, he's southpaw, he's shown the ability to both box and brawl, and of course there's that puncher's chance. I'll admit Mayweather has much more skills but its still boxing - the sport where anything can happen. Some seem to only give Ortiz that "puncher's chance". But when that puncher's chance comes from a guy with skill, speed, power, and momentum (Berto win), it simply can't be called an easy fight. 

-1000 odds are insane!

couple fights ago ortiz was maybe considered to have no heart. if it were me in the maidana fight i would have came back to fight another day also. he took a pounding in that fight. now people think he has a shot vs floyd cause of his youth and heart. one thing for sure he knows how to get up and fight on. i give him a punchers chance in this. if he can tag floyd early on and gain some respect he will be in it. floyd obviously picked him cause he feels he can win easily. thats his style...one of these days it is going to backfire on him...maybe this time. ortiz will be hungry for sure and is going to show up to fight...

he isn't going to fight anyone he don't want to.

lol @ Ortiz being the toughest fighter either Manny or PBF has faced at 140+

You are vastly overrating Ortiz and his accomplishments. Maidana while having power is a very flawed fighter who has been exposed. Arguing for a razor thin decision against Peterson does not help Ortiz credentials. And Berto is just as unproven as Ortiz is. What Ortiz showed in those fights besides the the heart/no heart argument is that he is very hittable and limited defensively.

While Floyd may very well grow old overnight and by your calculations the substantial plus odds may be worth it.... but by no means is Ortiz in the class of PBF, Pacquiao or even Cotto and Mosley of recent pasts.

I'll probably take Floyd by decision...That being stated, I think some people are letting the passage of time warp their image of Floyd.  Hey hes good, but hes also fought what, like, 3 or 4 times in the last 4 years.  The Marquez fight wasn't that impressive due too Marquez losing speed moving up and Mosely never threw a punch after almost he almost ko d him in the 2nd.  Would have been interesting to see a close to prime Ortiz in that fight who would have kept pressure on.  If you really think about it, it's not like he even dominated an old version of Oscar D years ago, (he did lose on one of the cards).  Think his unreal defense and boxing IQ will get him by, but in a somewhat close decision.