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    mayweather - JJM (possible value??)

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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2009 - 8:57 AM ET #1

    with pac man and cotto looming large this fight  (just over a month away) seems to be generating very little buzz, anybody see any value in JJM , don't think I could stomach that huge mayweather chalk - thoughts or comments, on a side note with the lack of excitement for this bout might make it possibe for me to get into see it as I will be in vegas enjoying a huge gaming weekend and comps maybe available - BOL this season fellas, I'll see ya in vegas in the line at the pay window ---
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    with pac man and cotto looming large this fight  (just over a month away) seems to be generating very little buzz, anybody see any value in JJM , don't think I could stomach that huge mayweather chalk - thoughts or comments, on a side note with the lack of excitement for this bout might make it possibe for me to get into see it as I will be in vegas enjoying a huge gaming weekend and comps maybe available - BOL this season fellas, I'll see ya in vegas in the line at the pay window ---
     
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    Posted: Aug. 22, 2009 - 2:00 PM ET #2

    Hey nc, I'll be in Vegas that weekend too.  What a great week to be there.  Football, baseball, ufc 103 wagering and the Mayweather bout.  We should make some green that weekend for sure.  I can't wait.  Where are you staying?
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    Hey nc, I'll be in Vegas that weekend too.  What a great week to be there.  Football, baseball, ufc 103 wagering and the Mayweather bout.  We should make some green that weekend for sure.  I can't wait.  Where are you staying?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2009 - 8:08 PM ET #3

    golden nugget - downtown, same as  always for me, I love the property- yourself ?
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    golden nugget - downtown, same as  always for me, I love the property- yourself ?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2009 - 9:09 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:

    with pac man and cotto looming large this fight  (just over a month away) seems to be generating very little buzz, anybody see any value in JJM , don't think I could stomach that huge mayweather chalk - thoughts or comments, on a side note with the lack of excitement for this bout might make it possibe for me to get into see it as I will be in vegas enjoying a huge gaming weekend and comps maybe available - BOL this season fellas, I'll see ya in vegas in the line at the pay window ---


    Enjoy your visit. I always hate large chalk.. usually sends most bettors in the "props zone".

    This particular fight one needs to lay the chalk, or maybe use an online site like 5dimes to parlay the fight so the odds aren't so steep.

    Even if you parlay it online, you can still watch in Vegas and root.. (at least you will be betting the way you want).

    So many good fights coming up, add football and basketball the mix.. it will be amazing.

    Enjoy-
     Rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by nc1capper:

    with pac man and cotto looming large this fight  (just over a month away) seems to be generating very little buzz, anybody see any value in JJM , don't think I could stomach that huge mayweather chalk - thoughts or comments, on a side note with the lack of excitement for this bout might make it possibe for me to get into see it as I will be in vegas enjoying a huge gaming weekend and comps maybe available - BOL this season fellas, I'll see ya in vegas in the line at the pay window ---


    Enjoy your visit. I always hate large chalk.. usually sends most bettors in the "props zone".

    This particular fight one needs to lay the chalk, or maybe use an online site like 5dimes to parlay the fight so the odds aren't so steep.

    Even if you parlay it online, you can still watch in Vegas and root.. (at least you will be betting the way you want).

    So many good fights coming up, add football and basketball the mix.. it will be amazing.

    Enjoy-
     Rich

     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2009 - 10:31 PM ET #5

    thanks Rich, as always you are spot on - kind of feel mayweather wins rather easily but that huge chalk will probably steer me away  - john over rocky early should be a bit less chalk and worry eh?
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    thanks Rich, as always you are spot on - kind of feel mayweather wins rather easily but that huge chalk will probably steer me away  - john over rocky early should be a bit less chalk and worry eh?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2009 - 10:42 PM ET #6

    I think the best bet for the fight is over 11.5.  Obviously Floyd is heavy at -440.  I won't touch that.  I think JMM is tough enough to go the distance.  Hey Nc, I'll be at the Riviera.  It's a decent place and I'm only paying 50 a night.  I am really looking forward to a solid money making weekend. 
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    I think the best bet for the fight is over 11.5.  Obviously Floyd is heavy at -440.  I won't touch that.  I think JMM is tough enough to go the distance.  Hey Nc, I'll be at the Riviera.  It's a decent place and I'm only paying 50 a night.  I am really looking forward to a solid money making weekend. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 23, 2009 - 10:51 PM ET #7

    when are they gonna put up the pacman cotto line????
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    when are they gonna put up the pacman cotto line????
     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2009 - 11:22 PM ET #8

    pinny has pacman at - 250 or there abouts last time I looked
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    pinny has pacman at - 250 or there abouts last time I looked
     
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    Posted: Aug. 24, 2009 - 11:24 PM ET #9

    hey nicky--riviera is sweet at 50 a pop for sure,,lets get that cheddar
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    hey nicky--riviera is sweet at 50 a pop for sure,,lets get that cheddar
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2009 - 7:18 AM ET #10

    Floyd by Decision is best bet for this fight. But honestly this is a nightmare to get value in..You have a boxer who has not been in the ring for nearly 2 years against a warrior stepping up 2 weight divisions. Too many intangibles means this is not a fight to get mixed up in too heavily..
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    Floyd by Decision is best bet for this fight. But honestly this is a nightmare to get value in..You have a boxer who has not been in the ring for nearly 2 years against a warrior stepping up 2 weight divisions. Too many intangibles means this is not a fight to get mixed up in too heavily..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2009 - 2:55 PM ET #11

    I would not be shocked if this fight never goes off at all, the news of the 170 theaters nationwide showing the fight sounds like the perfect built in excuse for the lower than expected PPV numbers that appear to be on the way for this bout, maybe a play on the OVER if they do indeed get into the ring
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    I would not be shocked if this fight never goes off at all, the news of the 170 theaters nationwide showing the fight sounds like the perfect built in excuse for the lower than expected PPV numbers that appear to be on the way for this bout, maybe a play on the OVER if they do indeed get into the ring
     
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    Posted: Aug. 29, 2009 - 12:44 AM ET #12

    I like the Over. Floyd will be rusty and it'll be enough for Marquez to survive 12. 
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    I like the Over. Floyd will be rusty and it'll be enough for Marquez to survive 12. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2009 - 11:09 PM ET #13

    hell as little buzz as this thing has working I may be ring side - how about the national theater feed (170) , think there might be a few seats to be had in those venues ~~~~~~yawn~~~~~~~
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    hell as little buzz as this thing has working I may be ring side - how about the national theater feed (170) , think there might be a few seats to be had in those venues ~~~~~~yawn~~~~~~~
     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2009 - 8:46 PM ET #14

    Actually....Floyd said he's getting homeboy out of there on the 24/7. If Floyd is taking the Under...maybe the Over ain't such a good idea.
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    Actually....Floyd said he's getting homeboy out of there on the 24/7. If Floyd is taking the Under...maybe the Over ain't such a good idea.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2009 - 2:44 AM ET #15

    he is going to try and ko JMM to show he's better than Pac-Man
     
     
    You can bet your house Money Mayweather will be trying with all he has to ko JMM so that's where my money will be
     
     
    He is quicker and faster than JMM and for that matter I believe Manny also (maybe even on speed) but his reach and height advantage mixed with his philly shell style will be enough to neutralize enough of JMM's power while I believe Floyd's shots will reap severe punishment on JMM's bigger frame body
     
     
    The only thing that worries me is if this rib injury is more serious than we're all lead to believe or if the extra time off due to the injury has given JMM adequte time to grow up to 135 in the right manner as Roy Jones Jr and B Hop did in their careers
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    he is going to try and ko JMM to show he's better than Pac-Man
     
     
    You can bet your house Money Mayweather will be trying with all he has to ko JMM so that's where my money will be
     
     
    He is quicker and faster than JMM and for that matter I believe Manny also (maybe even on speed) but his reach and height advantage mixed with his philly shell style will be enough to neutralize enough of JMM's power while I believe Floyd's shots will reap severe punishment on JMM's bigger frame body
     
     
    The only thing that worries me is if this rib injury is more serious than we're all lead to believe or if the extra time off due to the injury has given JMM adequte time to grow up to 135 in the right manner as Roy Jones Jr and B Hop did in their careers
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2009 - 8:25 AM ET #16

    ring rust is real - who knows how floyd will react, JJM up to semi-giant size is a concern, and the ol vet is a bit long in the tooth, still crunchin this one
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    ring rust is real - who knows how floyd will react, JJM up to semi-giant size is a concern, and the ol vet is a bit long in the tooth, still crunchin this one
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2009 - 9:29 AM ET #17

    Floyd has been in the gym for his entire "retirement" period, so I wouldn't be too worried about ring rust. Marquez has taken this fight, in my view, because it is a career high pay day, and he seemingly has very little to lose. No one can really fault him for losing to Floyd at this weight, but he has absolutely no business fighting above 135 pounds. If they were here as anything more than an opponent with a big name, Marquez's people would have negotiated for a contract weight of 140 at most. Marquez is going to be slow, puffy, and hittable with those extra pounds. If Juan Diaz can rock him at lightweight (that fight was life and death for Marquez before the cut), how can anyone not rationally expect Floyd to take his head off?
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    Floyd has been in the gym for his entire "retirement" period, so I wouldn't be too worried about ring rust. Marquez has taken this fight, in my view, because it is a career high pay day, and he seemingly has very little to lose. No one can really fault him for losing to Floyd at this weight, but he has absolutely no business fighting above 135 pounds. If they were here as anything more than an opponent with a big name, Marquez's people would have negotiated for a contract weight of 140 at most. Marquez is going to be slow, puffy, and hittable with those extra pounds. If Juan Diaz can rock him at lightweight (that fight was life and death for Marquez before the cut), how can anyone not rationally expect Floyd to take his head off?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2009 - 3:02 PM ET #18

    i just couldnt put my money on a guy who drinks his own piss especially when hes the worse fights

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    i just couldnt put my money on a guy who drinks his own piss especially when hes the worse fights

     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2009 - 4:25 PM ET #19

    Floyd BY TKO/KO.

    I said this a while ago, Marquez is best at 130.

    He was bullied by a light punching Juan Diaz at 135.

    Marquez is a warrior, I see more of a TKO than a KO, Marquez cuts easily, and is very hittable, his chin isn't the sturdiest that I've seen.

    Although many of his knock downs were flash knock downs as it happened during a heated exchange.

    When he gets pounded by a guy at 147, those won't be flash knock downs.

    Marquez was already slowing down, the extra weight will do nothing but slow him down even more.

    Regardless if anyone deserves a PPV Payday for his work, it's Marquez, biggest payday of his life and he can retire off of this paycheck.

    Floyd by KO/TKO. +175 :)
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    Floyd BY TKO/KO.

    I said this a while ago, Marquez is best at 130.

    He was bullied by a light punching Juan Diaz at 135.

    Marquez is a warrior, I see more of a TKO than a KO, Marquez cuts easily, and is very hittable, his chin isn't the sturdiest that I've seen.

    Although many of his knock downs were flash knock downs as it happened during a heated exchange.

    When he gets pounded by a guy at 147, those won't be flash knock downs.

    Marquez was already slowing down, the extra weight will do nothing but slow him down even more.

    Regardless if anyone deserves a PPV Payday for his work, it's Marquez, biggest payday of his life and he can retire off of this paycheck.

    Floyd by KO/TKO. +175 :)
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 2:03 AM ET #20

    nutty ,,you are right sir - just cant see myself eating a whole bellyful of chalk , would your lean be toward the OVER or UNDER ?
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    nutty ,,you are right sir - just cant see myself eating a whole bellyful of chalk , would your lean be toward the OVER or UNDER ?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 11:06 AM ET #21

    Well my pick is Floyd +175 by KO/TKO.

    People see that line and say yeah +175 because it won't happen. Floyd has been out of the ring for 2 years, Marquez is a WARRIOR.

    WARRIOR is exactly why Marquez will be stopped. Marquez is a tough Mexican warrior who when hits likes to RETURN fire, cannot return fire when the opponent isn't there.

    As seen in his past 3-4 fights, Marquez is VERY hittable, and his age is showing. Marquez  never had a "great chin", not suspect but definitely NOT great.

    Remember Pac-man had him down 3 times in the first fight. I believe once again in the second fight. That was at 130.

    Juan Diaz who was outclassed badly by Paulie, showed us Marquez cannot carry the weight.

    He was already slower, and wasn't dominate like he was at 130, was actually shocking to see a squatty little Juan Diaz just push him across the ring.

    Juan Diaz isn't the BEST boxer, and by far a VERY weak PUNCHER.

    Juan Diaz is all about pressure and at 135 Marquez was buckled wobbled and it made for a great fight because Marquez had to overcome being the "Smaller guy" using his technical boxing skills.

    At this weight, and his age, Marquez doesn't have a chance.

    If you don't like Floyd by TKO/KO at +175

    The over and under is a tough one, I do like Floyd to take him outbut then again he's been away for 2 years and might take a few rounds to get the rust away... so it's makes that 9.5 very iffy.

    I'd rather live and die by the sword, which is take one pick and stick with it.. Floyd by TKO/KO.. you have 11 rounds and 2:59 to get it done.

    With +175 you don't need to lay much to win...

    Watch Marquez versus Diaz, and see what I mean, remember this was his FIRST fight at 135 against a relatively weak puncher... and not a strong guy.

    Watch how Diaz bullied him and pushed him around the ring. Remember JUAN DIAZ and 135- This is FLOYD two weight classes higher.

    Don't be fooled by the ending where Marquez Knocked him out, LOOK closely at the fight and how Marquez's skills have deteriorated quite a bit, it's why Juan Diaz looked so good.

    Don't be afraid because he's Mexican and a legend, he's at the end of his career and well finally collecting a PAYDAY he DESERVES.

    Remember boxing is a career for these men, it's their WORK.

    I cannot give advice on the Ov/Under with this fight, my pick is +175 Floyd tko/ko, only thing I can say is look for a prop that says "Won't go the distance".  Still will be a better odd than the over/under.

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    Well my pick is Floyd +175 by KO/TKO.

    People see that line and say yeah +175 because it won't happen. Floyd has been out of the ring for 2 years, Marquez is a WARRIOR.

    WARRIOR is exactly why Marquez will be stopped. Marquez is a tough Mexican warrior who when hits likes to RETURN fire, cannot return fire when the opponent isn't there.

    As seen in his past 3-4 fights, Marquez is VERY hittable, and his age is showing. Marquez  never had a "great chin", not suspect but definitely NOT great.

    Remember Pac-man had him down 3 times in the first fight. I believe once again in the second fight. That was at 130.

    Juan Diaz who was outclassed badly by Paulie, showed us Marquez cannot carry the weight.

    He was already slower, and wasn't dominate like he was at 130, was actually shocking to see a squatty little Juan Diaz just push him across the ring.

    Juan Diaz isn't the BEST boxer, and by far a VERY weak PUNCHER.

    Juan Diaz is all about pressure and at 135 Marquez was buckled wobbled and it made for a great fight because Marquez had to overcome being the "Smaller guy" using his technical boxing skills.

    At this weight, and his age, Marquez doesn't have a chance.

    If you don't like Floyd by TKO/KO at +175

    The over and under is a tough one, I do like Floyd to take him outbut then again he's been away for 2 years and might take a few rounds to get the rust away... so it's makes that 9.5 very iffy.

    I'd rather live and die by the sword, which is take one pick and stick with it.. Floyd by TKO/KO.. you have 11 rounds and 2:59 to get it done.

    With +175 you don't need to lay much to win...

    Watch Marquez versus Diaz, and see what I mean, remember this was his FIRST fight at 135 against a relatively weak puncher... and not a strong guy.

    Watch how Diaz bullied him and pushed him around the ring. Remember JUAN DIAZ and 135- This is FLOYD two weight classes higher.

    Don't be fooled by the ending where Marquez Knocked him out, LOOK closely at the fight and how Marquez's skills have deteriorated quite a bit, it's why Juan Diaz looked so good.

    Don't be afraid because he's Mexican and a legend, he's at the end of his career and well finally collecting a PAYDAY he DESERVES.

    Remember boxing is a career for these men, it's their WORK.

    I cannot give advice on the Ov/Under with this fight, my pick is +175 Floyd tko/ko, only thing I can say is look for a prop that says "Won't go the distance".  Still will be a better odd than the over/under.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 10:58 PM ET #22

    nice lean Rich, you know your stuff sir, no doubt , will start shopping the minute I hit vegas,my off shore buddys have floyd at  - 450 , thats it, no props, nothing
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    nice lean Rich, you know your stuff sir, no doubt , will start shopping the minute I hit vegas,my off shore buddys have floyd at  - 450 , thats it, no props, nothing
     
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    oh yeah, great write up ,,again
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    oh yeah, great write up ,,again
     
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    Marquez one of the smartest fighters in the game. Anyone who thinks Floyd is going to walk right though him is in for a Big Surprise. Diaz has a completely different fighting style then Floyd (super aggressive), so to compare his early success against Marquez is totally meaningless. Floyd talks about a KO but will be quite happy to pull out the Win. Whoever is the most adept at counter-punching will rule the night. Tough call.....but Mayweather at 4.5-1 is definitely an Over-Lay.
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    Marquez one of the smartest fighters in the game. Anyone who thinks Floyd is going to walk right though him is in for a Big Surprise. Diaz has a completely different fighting style then Floyd (super aggressive), so to compare his early success against Marquez is totally meaningless. Floyd talks about a KO but will be quite happy to pull out the Win. Whoever is the most adept at counter-punching will rule the night. Tough call.....but Mayweather at 4.5-1 is definitely an Over-Lay.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    Marquez one of the smartest fighters in the game. Anyone who thinks Floyd is going to walk right though him is in for a Big Surprise. Diaz has a completely different fighting style then Floyd (super aggressive), so to compare his early success against Marquez is totally meaningless. Floyd talks about a KO but will be quite happy to pull out the Win. Whoever is the most adept at counter-punching will rule the night. Tough call.....but Mayweather at 4.5-1 is definitely an Over-Lay.


    My thoughts exactly. This fight reminds me of one thing - when Floyd almost (many think he did) lose to Jose Luis Castillo at 135 pounds in 2002. Pressure seems to be the only way to crack Floyd - possibly throwing caution to the wind. JMM might will do exactly that.

    Also, this fight is probably going to the cards. GBP (and DLH) will be looking to take some of the shine off of Floyd. If Floyd is rusty and there are some close rounds... this could get VERY, VERY interesting. I'll probably be on JMM points handicap if I can get decent number. We'll see.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:

    Marquez one of the smartest fighters in the game. Anyone who thinks Floyd is going to walk right though him is in for a Big Surprise. Diaz has a completely different fighting style then Floyd (super aggressive), so to compare his early success against Marquez is totally meaningless. Floyd talks about a KO but will be quite happy to pull out the Win. Whoever is the most adept at counter-punching will rule the night. Tough call.....but Mayweather at 4.5-1 is definitely an Over-Lay.


    My thoughts exactly. This fight reminds me of one thing - when Floyd almost (many think he did) lose to Jose Luis Castillo at 135 pounds in 2002. Pressure seems to be the only way to crack Floyd - possibly throwing caution to the wind. JMM might will do exactly that.

    Also, this fight is probably going to the cards. GBP (and DLH) will be looking to take some of the shine off of Floyd. If Floyd is rusty and there are some close rounds... this could get VERY, VERY interesting. I'll probably be on JMM points handicap if I can get decent number. We'll see.....
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