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    Margarito/Mosley Pick

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    walktheline
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2009 - 5:52 AM ET #1

    Mosley at +375 is a complete steal. I would suggest loading up on this price while it is still around. If Margarito has weight issues (which I'm expecting he might) this fight could go off as low as Margo -300.

    Margarito has power - just not of the one punch variety. He wins by walking you down, taking your best shot, and punishing you. This style works for him unless his opponent does some things very well......

    1. Has fast hands.

    Cotto had a great gameplan early in the fight and was winning the early rounds by a very wide margin. How? He let Margo lead, as in come forward. This enabled him to get off "pot shots" as Margo came straight forward with his piss poor defense. He would land a combo and circle left or right depending on his position in the ring. Rinse, repeat. You aren't going to knock out Margarito - but you can  bank plenty of rounds early if you can execute this game plan. Something I'm pretty sure Mosley will be successful at.

    2. Have great lateral movement - do not let Margo eat a few shots in exchange to backing you into a corner or against the ropes. Sense the trouble and be able to get the fuck out of these situations. Cotto was unable to do this the second half of the fight and we all know the results. If you don't, your chances of taking these beatings for 12 rounds and living to tell about it isn't all the great.

    3. Have great stamina. You can't take rounds off against an animal like Margarito. You tire and he'll smell the blood. He'll turn it up a notch and take you out. He's made his career off of similar situations.

    Margarito has been defeated by some real donkeys. Daniel Santos, Rodney Jones, Larry Dixon?, Victor Lozoya? Not exactly a murder's row, so I'm not dreaming up a situation here to justify a long shot pick. It's a fact that it can be done with ease if it's done correctly.

    Another possible strategy would be fighting like vintage Bernard Hopkins - get off first, score points, then clinch. It would suck to watch but we are talking about gambling here. I watched 12 rounds of Toney vs Oquendo only to get robbed by the judges. I then followed that up by watching 12 rounds of a senior citizen vs an ogre, only to be robbed again. Boxing can really suck sometimes.

    Mosley is old but still is so technically superior to Margarito that he should be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat. His best traits are exactly what you need to beat Margarito. Will he look old and tire late in the fight after too much punishment? An entirely possible outcome, hence the big odds. Mosley also may have been fighting for years on the juice and is only an average fighter without it. Doubt that is the case but we'll never know.

     I think the big odds are due to the fact that people don't understand why Cotto lost the fight in the brutal fashion he did. The Cotto beat Mosley, Margarito beat Cotto, so Margo>Mosley theory is being thrown around too much as well. I will be all over Cotto in the rematch for the record. Everyone remembers Cotto slumped over like a chump with the look of defeat in his eyes. Nobody remembers the beating he was giving the entire first half of the fight.

    Best bet that isn't out yet... Mosley ahead on the cards after 3 rounds. I'm 100% sure this will be at decent + money. I doubt he'll just come out and pound Shane. He always starts slow and might not be prepared for the speed of Mosley. I wouldn't be shocked if Shane swept the first three rounds.

    I'm already sitting with about 334 to win 1,247 on Mosley. I was out Sunday for the Cards game and had to call in my Steelers bet to the local. Oh yeah... Troy. I'll be adding at least another 200 on this to try and get the 2k payout. I'll be adding it all if I find even the slightest notion that Margarito was struggling big time to make weight. That could be the big blow to his legendary stamina that gives Mosley the final advantage necessary to pull it off.

    Sorry about the Berto/Collazo under. It really should have been. Both of those guys ate huge shots early and often. Easily the fight of the year so far.

    Mods - I know I posted this in the P-Box. However, I had two Covers tabs open and wanted to post it here in the first place.
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    Mosley at +375 is a complete steal. I would suggest loading up on this price while it is still around. If Margarito has weight issues (which I'm expecting he might) this fight could go off as low as Margo -300.

    Margarito has power - just not of the one punch variety. He wins by walking you down, taking your best shot, and punishing you. This style works for him unless his opponent does some things very well......

    1. Has fast hands.

    Cotto had a great gameplan early in the fight and was winning the early rounds by a very wide margin. How? He let Margo lead, as in come forward. This enabled him to get off "pot shots" as Margo came straight forward with his piss poor defense. He would land a combo and circle left or right depending on his position in the ring. Rinse, repeat. You aren't going to knock out Margarito - but you can  bank plenty of rounds early if you can execute this game plan. Something I'm pretty sure Mosley will be successful at.

    2. Have great lateral movement - do not let Margo eat a few shots in exchange to backing you into a corner or against the ropes. Sense the trouble and be able to get the fuck out of these situations. Cotto was unable to do this the second half of the fight and we all know the results. If you don't, your chances of taking these beatings for 12 rounds and living to tell about it isn't all the great.

    3. Have great stamina. You can't take rounds off against an animal like Margarito. You tire and he'll smell the blood. He'll turn it up a notch and take you out. He's made his career off of similar situations.

    Margarito has been defeated by some real donkeys. Daniel Santos, Rodney Jones, Larry Dixon?, Victor Lozoya? Not exactly a murder's row, so I'm not dreaming up a situation here to justify a long shot pick. It's a fact that it can be done with ease if it's done correctly.

    Another possible strategy would be fighting like vintage Bernard Hopkins - get off first, score points, then clinch. It would suck to watch but we are talking about gambling here. I watched 12 rounds of Toney vs Oquendo only to get robbed by the judges. I then followed that up by watching 12 rounds of a senior citizen vs an ogre, only to be robbed again. Boxing can really suck sometimes.

    Mosley is old but still is so technically superior to Margarito that he should be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat. His best traits are exactly what you need to beat Margarito. Will he look old and tire late in the fight after too much punishment? An entirely possible outcome, hence the big odds. Mosley also may have been fighting for years on the juice and is only an average fighter without it. Doubt that is the case but we'll never know.

     I think the big odds are due to the fact that people don't understand why Cotto lost the fight in the brutal fashion he did. The Cotto beat Mosley, Margarito beat Cotto, so Margo>Mosley theory is being thrown around too much as well. I will be all over Cotto in the rematch for the record. Everyone remembers Cotto slumped over like a chump with the look of defeat in his eyes. Nobody remembers the beating he was giving the entire first half of the fight.

    Best bet that isn't out yet... Mosley ahead on the cards after 3 rounds. I'm 100% sure this will be at decent + money. I doubt he'll just come out and pound Shane. He always starts slow and might not be prepared for the speed of Mosley. I wouldn't be shocked if Shane swept the first three rounds.

    I'm already sitting with about 334 to win 1,247 on Mosley. I was out Sunday for the Cards game and had to call in my Steelers bet to the local. Oh yeah... Troy. I'll be adding at least another 200 on this to try and get the 2k payout. I'll be adding it all if I find even the slightest notion that Margarito was struggling big time to make weight. That could be the big blow to his legendary stamina that gives Mosley the final advantage necessary to pull it off.

    Sorry about the Berto/Collazo under. It really should have been. Both of those guys ate huge shots early and often. Easily the fight of the year so far.

    Mods - I know I posted this in the P-Box. However, I had two Covers tabs open and wanted to post it here in the first place.
     
    punchmaster
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2009 - 7:20 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Mosley at +375 is a complete steal. I would suggest loading up on this price while it is still around. If Margarito has weight issues (which I'm expecting he might) this fight could go off as low as Margo -300.

    Margarito has power - just not of the one punch variety. He wins by walking you down, taking your best shot, and punishing you. This style works for him unless his opponent does some things very well......

    1. Has fast hands.

    Cotto had a great gameplan early in the fight and was winning the early rounds by a very wide margin. How? He let Margo lead, as in come forward. This enabled him to get off "pot shots" as Margo came straight forward with his piss poor defense. He would land a combo and circle left or right depending on his position in the ring. Rinse, repeat. You aren't going to knock out Margarito - but you can  bank plenty of rounds early if you can execute this game plan. Something I'm pretty sure Mosley will be successful at.

    2. Have great lateral movement - do not let Margo eat a few shots in exchange to backing you into a corner or against the ropes. Sense the trouble and be able to get the fuck out of these situations. Cotto was unable to do this the second half of the fight and we all know the results. If you don't, your chances of taking these beatings for 12 rounds and living to tell about it isn't all the great.

    3. Have great stamina. You can't take rounds off against an animal like Margarito. You tire and he'll smell the blood. He'll turn it up a notch and take you out. He's made his career off of similar situations.

    Margarito has been defeated by some real donkeys. Daniel Santos, Rodney Jones, Larry Dixon?, Victor Lozoya? Not exactly a murder's row, so I'm not dreaming up a situation here to justify a long shot pick. It's a fact that it can be done with ease if it's done correctly.

    Another possible strategy would be fighting like vintage Bernard Hopkins - get off first, score points, then clinch. It would suck to watch but we are talking about gambling here. I watched 12 rounds of Toney vs Oquendo only to get robbed by the judges. I then followed that up by watching 12 rounds of a senior citizen vs an ogre, only to be robbed again. Boxing can really suck sometimes.

    Mosley is old but still is so technically superior to Margarito that he should be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat. His best traits are exactly what you need to beat Margarito. Will he look old and tire late in the fight after too much punishment? An entirely possible outcome, hence the big odds. Mosley also may have been fighting for years on the juice and is only an average fighter without it. Doubt that is the case but we'll never know.

     I think the big odds are due to the fact that people don't understand why Cotto lost the fight in the brutal fashion he did. The Cotto beat Mosley, Margarito beat Cotto, so Margo>Mosley theory is being thrown around too much as well. I will be all over Cotto in the rematch for the record. Everyone remembers Cotto slumped over like a chump with the look of defeat in his eyes. Nobody remembers the beating he was giving the entire first half of the fight.

    Best bet that isn't out yet... Mosley ahead on the cards after 3 rounds. I'm 100% sure this will be at decent + money. I doubt he'll just come out and pound Shane. He always starts slow and might not be prepared for the speed of Mosley. I wouldn't be shocked if Shane swept the first three rounds.

    I'm already sitting with about 334 to win 1,247 on Mosley. I was out Sunday for the Cards game and had to call in my Steelers bet to the local. Oh yeah... Troy. I'll be adding at least another 200 on this to try and get the 2k payout. I'll be adding it all if I find even the slightest notion that Margarito was struggling big time to make weight. That could be the big blow to his legendary stamina that gives Mosley the final advantage necessary to pull it off.

    Sorry about the Berto/Collazo under. It really should have been. Both of those guys ate huge shots early and often. Easily the fight of the year so far.

    Mods - I know I posted this in the P-Box. However, I had two Covers tabs open and wanted to post it here in the first place.

    Did you really mention Margarito's losses to Dixon, Jones, and Lozoya from 1994-1996 when Margarito was from age 15 to 18?  Nuff said.  You better hope Margo is having weight problems or some negative effects from the Cotto fight, otherwise Mosley's got a very limited chance and may even be lucky to finish the fight.   A far from prime Mayorga was arguably ahead of Mosley after 11 rounds in his last fight,  the same guy that De Le Hoya and Trinidad destroyed half way thru their fights.    Not a good career choice for Mosley at this point.   If you try and find similar styles that Mosely has fought, it's David Estrad and Jose Luis Cruz back in 05',  they're not even close to Margarito and they both gave Shane a hard time.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Mosley at +375 is a complete steal. I would suggest loading up on this price while it is still around. If Margarito has weight issues (which I'm expecting he might) this fight could go off as low as Margo -300.

    Margarito has power - just not of the one punch variety. He wins by walking you down, taking your best shot, and punishing you. This style works for him unless his opponent does some things very well......

    1. Has fast hands.

    Cotto had a great gameplan early in the fight and was winning the early rounds by a very wide margin. How? He let Margo lead, as in come forward. This enabled him to get off "pot shots" as Margo came straight forward with his piss poor defense. He would land a combo and circle left or right depending on his position in the ring. Rinse, repeat. You aren't going to knock out Margarito - but you can  bank plenty of rounds early if you can execute this game plan. Something I'm pretty sure Mosley will be successful at.

    2. Have great lateral movement - do not let Margo eat a few shots in exchange to backing you into a corner or against the ropes. Sense the trouble and be able to get the fuck out of these situations. Cotto was unable to do this the second half of the fight and we all know the results. If you don't, your chances of taking these beatings for 12 rounds and living to tell about it isn't all the great.

    3. Have great stamina. You can't take rounds off against an animal like Margarito. You tire and he'll smell the blood. He'll turn it up a notch and take you out. He's made his career off of similar situations.

    Margarito has been defeated by some real donkeys. Daniel Santos, Rodney Jones, Larry Dixon?, Victor Lozoya? Not exactly a murder's row, so I'm not dreaming up a situation here to justify a long shot pick. It's a fact that it can be done with ease if it's done correctly.

    Another possible strategy would be fighting like vintage Bernard Hopkins - get off first, score points, then clinch. It would suck to watch but we are talking about gambling here. I watched 12 rounds of Toney vs Oquendo only to get robbed by the judges. I then followed that up by watching 12 rounds of a senior citizen vs an ogre, only to be robbed again. Boxing can really suck sometimes.

    Mosley is old but still is so technically superior to Margarito that he should be able to pull a rabbit out of the hat. His best traits are exactly what you need to beat Margarito. Will he look old and tire late in the fight after too much punishment? An entirely possible outcome, hence the big odds. Mosley also may have been fighting for years on the juice and is only an average fighter without it. Doubt that is the case but we'll never know.

     I think the big odds are due to the fact that people don't understand why Cotto lost the fight in the brutal fashion he did. The Cotto beat Mosley, Margarito beat Cotto, so Margo>Mosley theory is being thrown around too much as well. I will be all over Cotto in the rematch for the record. Everyone remembers Cotto slumped over like a chump with the look of defeat in his eyes. Nobody remembers the beating he was giving the entire first half of the fight.

    Best bet that isn't out yet... Mosley ahead on the cards after 3 rounds. I'm 100% sure this will be at decent + money. I doubt he'll just come out and pound Shane. He always starts slow and might not be prepared for the speed of Mosley. I wouldn't be shocked if Shane swept the first three rounds.

    I'm already sitting with about 334 to win 1,247 on Mosley. I was out Sunday for the Cards game and had to call in my Steelers bet to the local. Oh yeah... Troy. I'll be adding at least another 200 on this to try and get the 2k payout. I'll be adding it all if I find even the slightest notion that Margarito was struggling big time to make weight. That could be the big blow to his legendary stamina that gives Mosley the final advantage necessary to pull it off.

    Sorry about the Berto/Collazo under. It really should have been. Both of those guys ate huge shots early and often. Easily the fight of the year so far.

    Mods - I know I posted this in the P-Box. However, I had two Covers tabs open and wanted to post it here in the first place.

    Did you really mention Margarito's losses to Dixon, Jones, and Lozoya from 1994-1996 when Margarito was from age 15 to 18?  Nuff said.  You better hope Margo is having weight problems or some negative effects from the Cotto fight, otherwise Mosley's got a very limited chance and may even be lucky to finish the fight.   A far from prime Mayorga was arguably ahead of Mosley after 11 rounds in his last fight,  the same guy that De Le Hoya and Trinidad destroyed half way thru their fights.    Not a good career choice for Mosley at this point.   If you try and find similar styles that Mosely has fought, it's David Estrad and Jose Luis Cruz back in 05',  they're not even close to Margarito and they both gave Shane a hard time.....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by punchmaster:

    Did you really mention Margarito's losses to Dixon, Jones, and Lozoya from 1994-1996 when Margarito was from age 15 to 18?  Nuff said.  You better hope Margo is having weight problems or some negative effects from the Cotto fight, otherwise Mosley's got a very limited chance and may even be lucky to finish the fight.   A far from prime Mayorga was arguably ahead of Mosley after 11 rounds in his last fight,  the same guy that De Le Hoya and Trinidad destroyed half way thru their fights.    Not a good career choice for Mosley at this point.   If you try and find similar styles that Mosely has fought, it's David Estrad and Jose Luis Cruz back in 05',  they're not even close to Margarito and they both gave Shane a hard time.....



    Yes I did. I'm 100% sure you are an alias of another poster. You never post picks. You pop in from time to time with a quip or two (usually some solid blurbs) and never take a hard stance or offer up much. I remember you now - you picked apart me calling Malignaggi a protected Italian fighter in one of my first posts in this forum. I was correct by the way. You know your shit for the most part. However, you are so far wrong on this fight it isn't even funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punchmaster:

    Did you really mention Margarito's losses to Dixon, Jones, and Lozoya from 1994-1996 when Margarito was from age 15 to 18?  Nuff said.  You better hope Margo is having weight problems or some negative effects from the Cotto fight, otherwise Mosley's got a very limited chance and may even be lucky to finish the fight.   A far from prime Mayorga was arguably ahead of Mosley after 11 rounds in his last fight,  the same guy that De Le Hoya and Trinidad destroyed half way thru their fights.    Not a good career choice for Mosley at this point.   If you try and find similar styles that Mosely has fought, it's David Estrad and Jose Luis Cruz back in 05',  they're not even close to Margarito and they both gave Shane a hard time.....



    Yes I did. I'm 100% sure you are an alias of another poster. You never post picks. You pop in from time to time with a quip or two (usually some solid blurbs) and never take a hard stance or offer up much. I remember you now - you picked apart me calling Malignaggi a protected Italian fighter in one of my first posts in this forum. I was correct by the way. You know your shit for the most part. However, you are so far wrong on this fight it isn't even funny.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 21, 2009 - 12:33 PM ET #4

    I will be using Margarito in parlays
    Shane looked dreadful the last time out
    not to mention a lot of personal problems right now
    Margarito just grabbed the brass ring....he's not going to let it go that easily
    I think he stops Shane late or wins an easy UD
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    I will be using Margarito in parlays
    Shane looked dreadful the last time out
    not to mention a lot of personal problems right now
    Margarito just grabbed the brass ring....he's not going to let it go that easily
    I think he stops Shane late or wins an easy UD
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    Yes I did. I'm 100% sure you are an alias of another poster. You never post picks. You pop in from time to time with a quip or two (usually some solid blurbs) and never take a hard stance or offer up much. I remember you now - you picked apart me calling Malignaggi a protected Italian fighter in one of my first posts in this forum. I was correct by the way. You know your shit for the most part. However, you are so far wrong on this fight it isn't even funny.

    Mmm,  no actually I've never used another name in this forum , so if it was another name that mentioned Malignaggi as a protected Italian fighter, it wasn't me as I don't recall doing that. And your saying I don't take a hard stance or offer much, well, I just did and I will here-  I'll stick with the Tijuana Tornado.        The only think I like for Shane is that he'll have a better strategist in his corner this time around.    

    I wonder if 147 is better for Shane because he was flat and gassed at times against Mayorga at 154 and that was no prime/fit Mayorga.    Father time may have worked his way in after the nice showing for Mosley in the Cotto fight which was over a year ago.  10 or 11 rounds should be enough for Mosley at his age. Another corner stoppage for a Golden Boy Partner.    

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    Yes I did. I'm 100% sure you are an alias of another poster. You never post picks. You pop in from time to time with a quip or two (usually some solid blurbs) and never take a hard stance or offer up much. I remember you now - you picked apart me calling Malignaggi a protected Italian fighter in one of my first posts in this forum. I was correct by the way. You know your shit for the most part. However, you are so far wrong on this fight it isn't even funny.

    Mmm,  no actually I've never used another name in this forum , so if it was another name that mentioned Malignaggi as a protected Italian fighter, it wasn't me as I don't recall doing that. And your saying I don't take a hard stance or offer much, well, I just did and I will here-  I'll stick with the Tijuana Tornado.        The only think I like for Shane is that he'll have a better strategist in his corner this time around.    

    I wonder if 147 is better for Shane because he was flat and gassed at times against Mayorga at 154 and that was no prime/fit Mayorga.    Father time may have worked his way in after the nice showing for Mosley in the Cotto fight which was over a year ago.  10 or 11 rounds should be enough for Mosley at his age. Another corner stoppage for a Golden Boy Partner.    

     
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    I agree with WALK to a point. Ideally a great BOXER with quick hands and stamina can EASILY beat Margarito, he is VERY slow and if the fight is in the middle of the ring he's a a punching bag, but to his credit he has the best chin I've ever seen in boxing. If you look at the Cotto fight, Cotto was beating him easily, and ran out of gas. Personally Cotto has a GLASS CHIN and NO HEART. Now comes the hard part, which Mosley shows up, Mosley of old would have done EXACTLY what WALK is talking about, but as he's gotten older he elects to exchange, not sure if because he's being paid more and is trying to please the fans or he is trying to prove something I don't know. Mosley, is fit he is a GYM RAT, never gets tired, great chin, FAST hands, and can go 12 rounds easily. Mosley is not a power punch he is a combo puncher, and has not knocked anyone truly out since Adrien Stone, ever since he went up to 147 he has never been the same, he is a 140 pounder (when he was at his best) too bad the cash was at 147. There is no way Margarito wins in a land slide, and I highly doubt Mosley gets knocked out, Cotto ran out of gas and pretty much QUIT. A TRUE BOXER never quits take your KNOCKOUT like a man. Margarito is a slow plotting puncher, who Paul Williams beat easily, and would beat him every  time. Margarito fought Kermit Cintron TWICE why would you give a rematch to a guy you beat easily the first time? Margarito is taking the MONEY train, if he was a true Mexican Warrior he would immediately want to fight PAUL Williams again! Remember in boxing .. styles make fight. Look at the Cotto fight Margarito looked like crap he was lunging with punches and missing wildly looked like some bum until Cotto got tired and could not keep it in the center of the ring. I believe this line is very inflated, Public only remembers "Yesterday". My bet would be take the over in the fight in rounds to go the distance. There is no way Mosley is knocking Margarito out, and Margarito is not knocking out Mosley. This right will play out just like the Cotto fight, except Mosley is NOT a QUITTER and has a MUCH better CHIN, and will not get tired. I like the DISTANCE in the fight as my wager, but if I had to choose a side it would be mosley by a VERY SLIM Margin, would not be surprised to see a draw or a robbery because well Mosley is at the end of his career with nothing to gain and Maragrito has many fights ahead of him. I think everyone knows judges can play a big factor in a fight just see last week, Berto in my opinion has a DRAW at best, yet one had him 116-11 that's because all the stock is in Berto (who looked like many times he was out on his feet and out of gas) at such a young age! I don't feel the judging would be fair in this fight as Mosley is a light punch who lands lots of punches (he landed tons and tons to the top of Cotto's head) but Cotto got the credit because he landed the harder shots. Judges like the aggressor and the person who throws the harder shots, so it's why I would take the distance instead of the the money on Mosley, "In the public eyes and any decent boxing critic, Mosley will win the fight" but remember how judges JUDGE and what they are impressed by even if the other guy is doing better.

    Take the over 10.5 rounds -150
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    I agree with WALK to a point. Ideally a great BOXER with quick hands and stamina can EASILY beat Margarito, he is VERY slow and if the fight is in the middle of the ring he's a a punching bag, but to his credit he has the best chin I've ever seen in boxing. If you look at the Cotto fight, Cotto was beating him easily, and ran out of gas. Personally Cotto has a GLASS CHIN and NO HEART. Now comes the hard part, which Mosley shows up, Mosley of old would have done EXACTLY what WALK is talking about, but as he's gotten older he elects to exchange, not sure if because he's being paid more and is trying to please the fans or he is trying to prove something I don't know. Mosley, is fit he is a GYM RAT, never gets tired, great chin, FAST hands, and can go 12 rounds easily. Mosley is not a power punch he is a combo puncher, and has not knocked anyone truly out since Adrien Stone, ever since he went up to 147 he has never been the same, he is a 140 pounder (when he was at his best) too bad the cash was at 147. There is no way Margarito wins in a land slide, and I highly doubt Mosley gets knocked out, Cotto ran out of gas and pretty much QUIT. A TRUE BOXER never quits take your KNOCKOUT like a man. Margarito is a slow plotting puncher, who Paul Williams beat easily, and would beat him every  time. Margarito fought Kermit Cintron TWICE why would you give a rematch to a guy you beat easily the first time? Margarito is taking the MONEY train, if he was a true Mexican Warrior he would immediately want to fight PAUL Williams again! Remember in boxing .. styles make fight. Look at the Cotto fight Margarito looked like crap he was lunging with punches and missing wildly looked like some bum until Cotto got tired and could not keep it in the center of the ring. I believe this line is very inflated, Public only remembers "Yesterday". My bet would be take the over in the fight in rounds to go the distance. There is no way Mosley is knocking Margarito out, and Margarito is not knocking out Mosley. This right will play out just like the Cotto fight, except Mosley is NOT a QUITTER and has a MUCH better CHIN, and will not get tired. I like the DISTANCE in the fight as my wager, but if I had to choose a side it would be mosley by a VERY SLIM Margin, would not be surprised to see a draw or a robbery because well Mosley is at the end of his career with nothing to gain and Maragrito has many fights ahead of him. I think everyone knows judges can play a big factor in a fight just see last week, Berto in my opinion has a DRAW at best, yet one had him 116-11 that's because all the stock is in Berto (who looked like many times he was out on his feet and out of gas) at such a young age! I don't feel the judging would be fair in this fight as Mosley is a light punch who lands lots of punches (he landed tons and tons to the top of Cotto's head) but Cotto got the credit because he landed the harder shots. Judges like the aggressor and the person who throws the harder shots, so it's why I would take the distance instead of the the money on Mosley, "In the public eyes and any decent boxing critic, Mosley will win the fight" but remember how judges JUDGE and what they are impressed by even if the other guy is doing better.

    Take the over 10.5 rounds -150
     
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    I'm on the over already and had a few bets from a while ago on Shane, and Walk, may I recommend Mosley by decision at +550 rather than the +375 or whatever? Mosley isn't stopping Margo. I'm going to throw another unit on it I think. This reminds me of Pavlik/Hopkins in a way, it's a guy who people think is better than he is because of his most recent performance over a guy Shane struggled with (same for Hopkins with JT).

    Also, anybody who has a site that offers Ledderman props, take Mosley for the first 3 and 5 rounds, Margarito is a notoriously slow fighter against anybody not named Golden Johnson or Kermit Cintron.
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    I'm on the over already and had a few bets from a while ago on Shane, and Walk, may I recommend Mosley by decision at +550 rather than the +375 or whatever? Mosley isn't stopping Margo. I'm going to throw another unit on it I think. This reminds me of Pavlik/Hopkins in a way, it's a guy who people think is better than he is because of his most recent performance over a guy Shane struggled with (same for Hopkins with JT).

    Also, anybody who has a site that offers Ledderman props, take Mosley for the first 3 and 5 rounds, Margarito is a notoriously slow fighter against anybody not named Golden Johnson or Kermit Cintron.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2009 - 1:46 AM ET #8

    tony the tiger in this one ,,no big shock considering the number - hard to see shane doing much more than showing up --
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    tony the tiger in this one ,,no big shock considering the number - hard to see shane doing much more than showing up --
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidcole35:

    I'm on the over already and had a few bets from a while ago on Shane, and Walk, may I recommend Mosley by decision at +550 rather than the +375 or whatever? Mosley isn't stopping Margo. I'm going to throw another unit on it I think. This reminds me of Pavlik/Hopkins in a way, it's a guy who people think is better than he is because of his most recent performance over a guy Shane struggled with (same for Hopkins with JT).

    Also, anybody who has a site that offers Ledderman props, take Mosley for the first 3 and 5 rounds, Margarito is a notoriously slow fighter against anybody not named Golden Johnson or Kermit Cintron.

    Kid, that was the original plan. However, I had most of my cash on matchbook. You must now send at least $500 to 5dimes to get a transfer. I didn't plan on going crazy on this play at first. I still might add some that route but I didn't exactly put my bet in the way I wanted. The props weren't up yet. I also love Mosley ahead through 3 or 5.

    Best of luck to you this weekend.

    Punchmaster - sorry about the alias statement. If they throw in the towel at the Staples Center I will vomit.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidcole35:

    I'm on the over already and had a few bets from a while ago on Shane, and Walk, may I recommend Mosley by decision at +550 rather than the +375 or whatever? Mosley isn't stopping Margo. I'm going to throw another unit on it I think. This reminds me of Pavlik/Hopkins in a way, it's a guy who people think is better than he is because of his most recent performance over a guy Shane struggled with (same for Hopkins with JT).

    Also, anybody who has a site that offers Ledderman props, take Mosley for the first 3 and 5 rounds, Margarito is a notoriously slow fighter against anybody not named Golden Johnson or Kermit Cintron.

    Kid, that was the original plan. However, I had most of my cash on matchbook. You must now send at least $500 to 5dimes to get a transfer. I didn't plan on going crazy on this play at first. I still might add some that route but I didn't exactly put my bet in the way I wanted. The props weren't up yet. I also love Mosley ahead through 3 or 5.

    Best of luck to you this weekend.

    Punchmaster - sorry about the alias statement. If they throw in the towel at the Staples Center I will vomit.

     

     
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    mosley does provide tons of value
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    mosley does provide tons of value
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    I agree with WALK to a point. Ideally a great BOXER with quick hands and stamina can EASILY beat Margarito, he is VERY slow and if the fight is in the middle of the ring he's a a punching bag, but to his credit he has the best chin I've ever seen in boxing. If you look at the Cotto fight, Cotto was beating him easily, and ran out of gas. Personally Cotto has a GLASS CHIN and NO HEART. Now comes the hard part, which Mosley shows up, Mosley of old would have done EXACTLY what WALK is talking about, but as he's gotten older he elects to exchange, not sure if because he's being paid more and is trying to please the fans or he is trying to prove something I don't know. Mosley, is fit he is a GYM RAT, never gets tired, great chin, FAST hands, and can go 12 rounds easily. Mosley is not a power punch he is a combo puncher, and has not knocked anyone truly out since Adrien Stone, ever since he went up to 147 he has never been the same, he is a 140 pounder (when he was at his best) too bad the cash was at 147. There is no way Margarito wins in a land slide, and I highly doubt Mosley gets knocked out, Cotto ran out of gas and pretty much QUIT. A TRUE BOXER never quits take your KNOCKOUT like a man. Margarito is a slow plotting puncher, who Paul Williams beat easily, and would beat him every  time. Margarito fought Kermit Cintron TWICE why would you give a rematch to a guy you beat easily the first time? Margarito is taking the MONEY train, if he was a true Mexican Warrior he would immediately want to fight PAUL Williams again! Remember in boxing .. styles make fight. Look at the Cotto fight Margarito looked like crap he was lunging with punches and missing wildly looked like some bum until Cotto got tired and could not keep it in the center of the ring. I believe this line is very inflated, Public only remembers "Yesterday". My bet would be take the over in the fight in rounds to go the distance. There is no way Mosley is knocking Margarito out, and Margarito is not knocking out Mosley. This right will play out just like the Cotto fight, except Mosley is NOT a QUITTER and has a MUCH better CHIN, and will not get tired. I like the DISTANCE in the fight as my wager, but if I had to choose a side it would be mosley by a VERY SLIM Margin, would not be surprised to see a draw or a robbery because well Mosley is at the end of his career with nothing to gain and Maragrito has many fights ahead of him. I think everyone knows judges can play a big factor in a fight just see last week, Berto in my opinion has a DRAW at best, yet one had him 116-11 that's because all the stock is in Berto (who looked like many times he was out on his feet and out of gas) at such a young age! I don't feel the judging would be fair in this fight as Mosley is a light punch who lands lots of punches (he landed tons and tons to the top of Cotto's head) but Cotto got the credit because he landed the harder shots. Judges like the aggressor and the person who throws the harder shots, so it's why I would take the distance instead of the the money on Mosley, "In the public eyes and any decent boxing critic, Mosley will win the fight" but remember how judges JUDGE and what they are impressed by even if the other guy is doing better.

    Take the over 10.5 rounds -150


    i love how you know the future about how this fight turns out and what people will think afterwards.

    cotto didn't just "get tired", margarito made him tired with unrelenting pressure and cotto's inability to hurt or slow the bull...

    and walk, if you're really factoring in losses on margarito's record from 15 years ago when he was still a teenager...wow man...


    love the mosley ahead after 3 rounds prop bet at + money though... i think this is the best bet for this fight


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    Quote Originally Posted by nuttyrich:

    I agree with WALK to a point. Ideally a great BOXER with quick hands and stamina can EASILY beat Margarito, he is VERY slow and if the fight is in the middle of the ring he's a a punching bag, but to his credit he has the best chin I've ever seen in boxing. If you look at the Cotto fight, Cotto was beating him easily, and ran out of gas. Personally Cotto has a GLASS CHIN and NO HEART. Now comes the hard part, which Mosley shows up, Mosley of old would have done EXACTLY what WALK is talking about, but as he's gotten older he elects to exchange, not sure if because he's being paid more and is trying to please the fans or he is trying to prove something I don't know. Mosley, is fit he is a GYM RAT, never gets tired, great chin, FAST hands, and can go 12 rounds easily. Mosley is not a power punch he is a combo puncher, and has not knocked anyone truly out since Adrien Stone, ever since he went up to 147 he has never been the same, he is a 140 pounder (when he was at his best) too bad the cash was at 147. There is no way Margarito wins in a land slide, and I highly doubt Mosley gets knocked out, Cotto ran out of gas and pretty much QUIT. A TRUE BOXER never quits take your KNOCKOUT like a man. Margarito is a slow plotting puncher, who Paul Williams beat easily, and would beat him every  time. Margarito fought Kermit Cintron TWICE why would you give a rematch to a guy you beat easily the first time? Margarito is taking the MONEY train, if he was a true Mexican Warrior he would immediately want to fight PAUL Williams again! Remember in boxing .. styles make fight. Look at the Cotto fight Margarito looked like crap he was lunging with punches and missing wildly looked like some bum until Cotto got tired and could not keep it in the center of the ring. I believe this line is very inflated, Public only remembers "Yesterday". My bet would be take the over in the fight in rounds to go the distance. There is no way Mosley is knocking Margarito out, and Margarito is not knocking out Mosley. This right will play out just like the Cotto fight, except Mosley is NOT a QUITTER and has a MUCH better CHIN, and will not get tired. I like the DISTANCE in the fight as my wager, but if I had to choose a side it would be mosley by a VERY SLIM Margin, would not be surprised to see a draw or a robbery because well Mosley is at the end of his career with nothing to gain and Maragrito has many fights ahead of him. I think everyone knows judges can play a big factor in a fight just see last week, Berto in my opinion has a DRAW at best, yet one had him 116-11 that's because all the stock is in Berto (who looked like many times he was out on his feet and out of gas) at such a young age! I don't feel the judging would be fair in this fight as Mosley is a light punch who lands lots of punches (he landed tons and tons to the top of Cotto's head) but Cotto got the credit because he landed the harder shots. Judges like the aggressor and the person who throws the harder shots, so it's why I would take the distance instead of the the money on Mosley, "In the public eyes and any decent boxing critic, Mosley will win the fight" but remember how judges JUDGE and what they are impressed by even if the other guy is doing better.

    Take the over 10.5 rounds -150


    i love how you know the future about how this fight turns out and what people will think afterwards.

    cotto didn't just "get tired", margarito made him tired with unrelenting pressure and cotto's inability to hurt or slow the bull...

    and walk, if you're really factoring in losses on margarito's record from 15 years ago when he was still a teenager...wow man...


    love the mosley ahead after 3 rounds prop bet at + money though... i think this is the best bet for this fight


     
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    I just don't think Mosley can pull this one off.  To me the warning signs were apparent in the Mayorga fight.  Unless he is on some Balco type stuff again I think it is real uphill battle tomorrow night.
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    I just don't think Mosley can pull this one off.  To me the warning signs were apparent in the Mayorga fight.  Unless he is on some Balco type stuff again I think it is real uphill battle tomorrow night.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:

    I just don't think Mosley can pull this one off.  To me the warning signs were apparent in the Mayorga fight.  Unless he is on some Balco type stuff again I think it is real uphill battle tomorrow night.

    I was thinking Mosley had a shot for a while, but I've seen Margarito this week, and he looks good.  Also, I just read about the problems between Shane and Jin.  That is a terrible situation to be in leading up to a fight.  I think Shane is in for a long night. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:

    I just don't think Mosley can pull this one off.  To me the warning signs were apparent in the Mayorga fight.  Unless he is on some Balco type stuff again I think it is real uphill battle tomorrow night.

    I was thinking Mosley had a shot for a while, but I've seen Margarito this week, and he looks good.  Also, I just read about the problems between Shane and Jin.  That is a terrible situation to be in leading up to a fight.  I think Shane is in for a long night. 

     
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    I always was freaked out how much he let his wife run things, she did everything but get in the ring. If he loses he cannot blame anyone, that line works for young fighters (distractions), This is Shane's last  big fight. I can't see Shane knocking him down or out, maybe Jin he can buckle if he lands a great shot but not Margarito, I don't trust judges and I believe the over 10.5 is the best bet.
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    I always was freaked out how much he let his wife run things, she did everything but get in the ring. If he loses he cannot blame anyone, that line works for young fighters (distractions), This is Shane's last  big fight. I can't see Shane knocking him down or out, maybe Jin he can buckle if he lands a great shot but not Margarito, I don't trust judges and I believe the over 10.5 is the best bet.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:



    i love how you know the future about how this fight turns out and what people will think afterwards.

    cotto didn't just "get tired", margarito made him tired with unrelenting pressure and cotto's inability to hurt or slow the bull...

    and walk, if you're really factoring in losses on margarito's record from 15 years ago when he was still a teenager...wow man...


    love the mosley ahead after 3 rounds prop bet at + money though... i think this is the best bet for this fight





    I know boxing, I seen last week's fight and Berto had a DRAW at best, Collazo beat Hatton easily got robbed, Felix Sturm German Fighther EASILY beat De La Hoya, but guess what De La Hoya got the decision, they already had a fight set up with Hopkins. I know many boxing fans see the scores sometimes and wonder if the cards were made up before the fight started. Last week they even said the judge had to be blind to score 116-111. Cotto has a HISTORY of getting tired, he also has a history of a Glass JAW, and cannot hold when HURT (like Mike Tyson). He was a protected fighter who fought on the day before the Puerto Rican Day Parade, that's the only fighter they had after Trinidad was shown the retirement door. Cotto always fought smaller fighters, Cotto does NOT have a 147 FRAME neither does Maragrito. I have nothing against Maragrito, he has the best Chin in boxing,and has lots of Stamina, and heart. He lacks pure boxing skills, and has a hard time with PURE boxers like Paul Williams. I might also add, Margarito  has a HARD time with southpaws not righties, it's why Paul Williams beat him, look at all of  Margarito's losses they were all from southpaw "Boxers". Mosley as he's aged likes to mix it up, he didn't have to with Cotto, and should not do it with  Margarito, but he tries to please the crowd and will fight a fight that is not for him, but give Mosley credit, he has a great chin, good speed, nice combos, and can go the distance, it's why the over makes the best sense. The actual line is inflated, the over is the ONLY safe bet here. Again OVER 10.5 rounds.
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    i love how you know the future about how this fight turns out and what people will think afterwards.

    cotto didn't just "get tired", margarito made him tired with unrelenting pressure and cotto's inability to hurt or slow the bull...

    and walk, if you're really factoring in losses on margarito's record from 15 years ago when he was still a teenager...wow man...


    love the mosley ahead after 3 rounds prop bet at + money though... i think this is the best bet for this fight





    I know boxing, I seen last week's fight and Berto had a DRAW at best, Collazo beat Hatton easily got robbed, Felix Sturm German Fighther EASILY beat De La Hoya, but guess what De La Hoya got the decision, they already had a fight set up with Hopkins. I know many boxing fans see the scores sometimes and wonder if the cards were made up before the fight started. Last week they even said the judge had to be blind to score 116-111. Cotto has a HISTORY of getting tired, he also has a history of a Glass JAW, and cannot hold when HURT (like Mike Tyson). He was a protected fighter who fought on the day before the Puerto Rican Day Parade, that's the only fighter they had after Trinidad was shown the retirement door. Cotto always fought smaller fighters, Cotto does NOT have a 147 FRAME neither does Maragrito. I have nothing against Maragrito, he has the best Chin in boxing,and has lots of Stamina, and heart. He lacks pure boxing skills, and has a hard time with PURE boxers like Paul Williams. I might also add, Margarito  has a HARD time with southpaws not righties, it's why Paul Williams beat him, look at all of  Margarito's losses they were all from southpaw "Boxers". Mosley as he's aged likes to mix it up, he didn't have to with Cotto, and should not do it with  Margarito, but he tries to please the crowd and will fight a fight that is not for him, but give Mosley credit, he has a great chin, good speed, nice combos, and can go the distance, it's why the over makes the best sense. The actual line is inflated, the over is the ONLY safe bet here. Again OVER 10.5 rounds.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2009 - 11:22 PM ET #16

    that's why he lost to paul williams...?  hahaha..


    why don't you just take fight goes the distance at 30% better odds....

    mosley also is 37, has slowed down, and likes to engage (just perfect for marg)


    anyways...


    5dimes is smart...haha... they have mosley only at + points (as favorite money)... so mosley ahead after 3 rounds at + money is an impossible bet...unless they add more, maybe they're seeing who takes the margarito bait first.




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    that's why he lost to paul williams...?  hahaha..


    why don't you just take fight goes the distance at 30% better odds....

    mosley also is 37, has slowed down, and likes to engage (just perfect for marg)


    anyways...


    5dimes is smart...haha... they have mosley only at + points (as favorite money)... so mosley ahead after 3 rounds at + money is an impossible bet...unless they add more, maybe they're seeing who takes the margarito bait first.




     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2009 - 11:43 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    that's why he lost to paul williams...?  hahaha..


    why don't you just take fight goes the distance at 30% better odds....

    mosley also is 37, has slowed down, and likes to engage (just perfect for marg)


    anyways...


    5dimes is smart...haha... they have mosley only at + points (as favorite money)... so mosley ahead after 3 rounds at + money is an impossible bet...unless they add more, maybe they're seeing who takes the margarito bait first.






    Personally I never looked at the odds, went by what someone posted here. I would take the distance of course Oh he lost to Paul Williams because Williams is JUST as big as him, south paw, long range jab, and just as much stamina and throws over 100 punches a round.Margarito needs to corner his opponet and needs to be set, and Williams NEVER allowed it.He also doesn't mix it  up. I agree Mosley likes to mix it up when he can easily  stick and jab,but Mosley has MORE Stamina than Cotto and Better CHIN and faster hands, power doesn't make a difference because you can hit Margarito with a brick and he will walk through it. Cotto fight Cotto was back peddling so much he never got to do what he actually does do well (body punches). I would like to see someone go to Maragritos BODY, since the head cannot be touched.

    -Mosley the distance-
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    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    that's why he lost to paul williams...?  hahaha..


    why don't you just take fight goes the distance at 30% better odds....

    mosley also is 37, has slowed down, and likes to engage (just perfect for marg)


    anyways...


    5dimes is smart...haha... they have mosley only at + points (as favorite money)... so mosley ahead after 3 rounds at + money is an impossible bet...unless they add more, maybe they're seeing who takes the margarito bait first.






    Personally I never looked at the odds, went by what someone posted here. I would take the distance of course Oh he lost to Paul Williams because Williams is JUST as big as him, south paw, long range jab, and just as much stamina and throws over 100 punches a round.Margarito needs to corner his opponet and needs to be set, and Williams NEVER allowed it.He also doesn't mix it  up. I agree Mosley likes to mix it up when he can easily  stick and jab,but Mosley has MORE Stamina than Cotto and Better CHIN and faster hands, power doesn't make a difference because you can hit Margarito with a brick and he will walk through it. Cotto fight Cotto was back peddling so much he never got to do what he actually does do well (body punches). I would like to see someone go to Maragritos BODY, since the head cannot be touched.

    -Mosley the distance-
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2009 - 11:57 PM ET #18

      he never looks at the odds
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      he never looks at the odds
     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2009 - 11:58 PM ET #19

    by the way, you may very well be right with your pick... i hope you win.  i'm not playing anything more than a few dollars on this fight...


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    by the way, you may very well be right with your pick... i hope you win.  i'm not playing anything more than a few dollars on this fight...


     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 12:40 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    by the way, you may very well be right with your pick... i hope you win.  i'm not playing anything more than a few dollars on this fight...




    I'm not wagering, I was just making a pick. I gave up betting a year ago. I love boxing :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by capmaster2000:

    by the way, you may very well be right with your pick... i hope you win.  i'm not playing anything more than a few dollars on this fight...




    I'm not wagering, I was just making a pick. I gave up betting a year ago. I love boxing :)
     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 12:57 AM ET #21

    haha...gottya ... good luck regardless..
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    haha...gottya ... good luck regardless..
     
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    Bet the fight to go the distance -110 at 5 dimes. I think this prop should be at least 3-1. Of course someone could always get cut but both these guys have granite chins so KO is highly unlikely. As for the side, not completely sold that Shane can do it at 37. He has slowed down considerably but can't understand oddsmakers making him this big of an underdog. Tony strengths are diminished by Shanes boxing style. As others have mentioned Shane not a runner & Tony at his best when backing his opponent up. Mosley also has edge in speed. I make Tony a 2-1 favorite so betting Shane has some value win, lose or draw IMHO. BOL! 
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    Bet the fight to go the distance -110 at 5 dimes. I think this prop should be at least 3-1. Of course someone could always get cut but both these guys have granite chins so KO is highly unlikely. As for the side, not completely sold that Shane can do it at 37. He has slowed down considerably but can't understand oddsmakers making him this big of an underdog. Tony strengths are diminished by Shanes boxing style. As others have mentioned Shane not a runner & Tony at his best when backing his opponent up. Mosley also has edge in speed. I make Tony a 2-1 favorite so betting Shane has some value win, lose or draw IMHO. BOL! 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 11:08 PM ET #23

    Let me eat my words. I'm shocked that Mosley was able to KO him.
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    Let me eat my words. I'm shocked that Mosley was able to KO him.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2009 - 11:14 PM ET #24

    I'm not touching this. I'm going to enjoy it...


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    I'm not touching this. I'm going to enjoy it...


     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    I'm not touching this. I'm going to enjoy it...




    You deserve it.  Great call my man.  I am in awe at what I just witnessed.  I was so far off on this fight.  Great great call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    I'm not touching this. I'm going to enjoy it...




    You deserve it.  Great call my man.  I am in awe at what I just witnessed.  I was so far off on this fight.  Great great call.
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