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    Klitschko vs. Chagaev writeup

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2009 - 11:45 AM ET #1

    Being one of very few David Haye fans, I let out a sad groan when David Haye pulled out of his scheduled June 20 IBF and WBO heavyweight title bid against Wladimir Klitschko with a back problem the other week.

    It was Haye's big chance to realise his boyhood dream and thousands of fans, me included, were set to invade Germany and cheer on 'The Hayemaker' as he bid to become a world superstar.

    Haye's loss though is Ruslan Chagaev's gain however with the unbeaten Uzbek now taking on Klitschko at the Veltis Arena in Gelsenkirchen.

    As replacements go Chagaev was just about the best out there. The 30-year-old was a two-time world amateur champion (who beat legendary Cuban Felix Savon in the vest) and as a pro he has racked up 25 straight wins.

    He is also WBA world champion and has made two defences of that crown since winning it in 2007.

    Chagaev has come in at late notice but should still be ready to roll after his own fight against Nikolay Valuev was pulled on medical grounds just a few weeks ago.

    Chagaev is technically very correct as you might expect from such a seasoned amateur and he also looks to have a decent chin at this level.

    He's been in with big men such as Valuev, Vladimir Virches, and John Ruiz and none of those men could make an impression on his whiskers.

    And having not lost as a pro (he turned over in 1997) he should be full of ambition and see this as his big chance to make a name for himself.

    A big crowd is expected in Germany and if he can do the business against Klitschko then his profile would go through the roof.

    It's a big 'if' though.

    Klitschko has lost just three times in 55 outings and is unbeaten since Lamon Brewster shocked him in 2004. He's on a 10-fight winning streak since then and will enjoy the bulk of support in Germany, the land he now calls home.

    Last time out in December he did a number on Hasim Rahman, and six of his last seven wins have come inside the distance.

    However this is Klitschko's first 'live' test since he faced Sultan Ibragimov in February of 2008.

    He was ultra cautious that night and although he punched out a unanimous decision win it was a display that had the fans at Madison Square Garden shaking their heads in disbelief.

    Quite why a fighter with such physical attributes (6'7 and 245lbs) and with a KO ratio above 80% would adopt such a safety-first attitude is questionable to say the least, but Klitschko does tend to err on the side of caution all too often and I reckon he may revert to type this weekend.

    Chagaev is a southpaw with a fine left hook not unlike Corrie Sanders, who destroyed Klitschko in two rounds back in 2003.

    I don't think Chagaev hits quite as hard as Sanders did but the left hand is his money shot and it's a shot Klitschko has had trouble with in the past.

    I fancy the fight to be something of a chess match with Klitschko trying to dominate from ring center with that fine jab of his and Chagaev, who was once known as the 'White Tyson', looking to get inside and wreak havoc with the left hand.

    I don't see the fight being anywhere near as exciting as Haye v Klitschko might have been though and can't see anything other than over 9.5 rounds here.. 

    Klitschko has come apart under pressure in the past but I think he will be respectful of Chagaev's power and ability and look to win the fight with his jab. He's more than capable of doing this and so the bookies quote of -130 quote about the over 9.5 rounds looks the percentage call. I would urge aneone who follows my picks NOT to invest to heavily in this fight as there is better value out there and there are too many unknowns in this fight to bet with any clear amount of certainty..

    Cheers

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Being one of very few David Haye fans, I let out a sad groan when David Haye pulled out of his scheduled June 20 IBF and WBO heavyweight title bid against Wladimir Klitschko with a back problem the other week.

    It was Haye's big chance to realise his boyhood dream and thousands of fans, me included, were set to invade Germany and cheer on 'The Hayemaker' as he bid to become a world superstar.

    Haye's loss though is Ruslan Chagaev's gain however with the unbeaten Uzbek now taking on Klitschko at the Veltis Arena in Gelsenkirchen.

    As replacements go Chagaev was just about the best out there. The 30-year-old was a two-time world amateur champion (who beat legendary Cuban Felix Savon in the vest) and as a pro he has racked up 25 straight wins.

    He is also WBA world champion and has made two defences of that crown since winning it in 2007.

    Chagaev has come in at late notice but should still be ready to roll after his own fight against Nikolay Valuev was pulled on medical grounds just a few weeks ago.

    Chagaev is technically very correct as you might expect from such a seasoned amateur and he also looks to have a decent chin at this level.

    He's been in with big men such as Valuev, Vladimir Virches, and John Ruiz and none of those men could make an impression on his whiskers.

    And having not lost as a pro (he turned over in 1997) he should be full of ambition and see this as his big chance to make a name for himself.

    A big crowd is expected in Germany and if he can do the business against Klitschko then his profile would go through the roof.

    It's a big 'if' though.

    Klitschko has lost just three times in 55 outings and is unbeaten since Lamon Brewster shocked him in 2004. He's on a 10-fight winning streak since then and will enjoy the bulk of support in Germany, the land he now calls home.

    Last time out in December he did a number on Hasim Rahman, and six of his last seven wins have come inside the distance.

    However this is Klitschko's first 'live' test since he faced Sultan Ibragimov in February of 2008.

    He was ultra cautious that night and although he punched out a unanimous decision win it was a display that had the fans at Madison Square Garden shaking their heads in disbelief.

    Quite why a fighter with such physical attributes (6'7 and 245lbs) and with a KO ratio above 80% would adopt such a safety-first attitude is questionable to say the least, but Klitschko does tend to err on the side of caution all too often and I reckon he may revert to type this weekend.

    Chagaev is a southpaw with a fine left hook not unlike Corrie Sanders, who destroyed Klitschko in two rounds back in 2003.

    I don't think Chagaev hits quite as hard as Sanders did but the left hand is his money shot and it's a shot Klitschko has had trouble with in the past.

    I fancy the fight to be something of a chess match with Klitschko trying to dominate from ring center with that fine jab of his and Chagaev, who was once known as the 'White Tyson', looking to get inside and wreak havoc with the left hand.

    I don't see the fight being anywhere near as exciting as Haye v Klitschko might have been though and can't see anything other than over 9.5 rounds here.. 

    Klitschko has come apart under pressure in the past but I think he will be respectful of Chagaev's power and ability and look to win the fight with his jab. He's more than capable of doing this and so the bookies quote of -130 quote about the over 9.5 rounds looks the percentage call. I would urge aneone who follows my picks NOT to invest to heavily in this fight as there is better value out there and there are too many unknowns in this fight to bet with any clear amount of certainty..

    Cheers

     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2009 - 5:41 PM ET #2

    I was thinking about the over myself

    Good stuff
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    I was thinking about the over myself

    Good stuff
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2009 - 9:11 PM ET #3

    great write up but i 100% agree with only one sentence....
     
    I would urge aneone who follows my picks NOT to invest to heavily in this fight as there is better value out there and there are too many unknowns in this fight to bet with any clear amount of certainty
     
    if klitscko didnt fight like a scared bitch then i would say to take him by ko but like in every W. klitscko fight you do not know which guy your getting..
     
    Goodluck and agree the over is the safest bet figuring a possible 10, 11, or 12 round ko win my Wladmir...
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    great write up but i 100% agree with only one sentence....
     
    I would urge aneone who follows my picks NOT to invest to heavily in this fight as there is better value out there and there are too many unknowns in this fight to bet with any clear amount of certainty
     
    if klitscko didnt fight like a scared bitch then i would say to take him by ko but like in every W. klitscko fight you do not know which guy your getting..
     
    Goodluck and agree the over is the safest bet figuring a possible 10, 11, or 12 round ko win my Wladmir...
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2009 - 12:09 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 1:11 PM ET #5

    I think Klitschko KOs him.  I wouldn't be shocked if it was early either.  I think he comes looking to make an impression.  Also, he's pissed about the Haye fiasco, and he'll be looking to make someone pay.  Chagaev is that someone, IMO.  He almost got booed out of the Garden during that boring Imbragimov fight.  I can't see him putting on that type of show in front of his fans.  He has morphed into the ultimate boxer/puncher under the tutelage of Steward, and I think he picks apart Chagaev and stops him. 
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    I think Klitschko KOs him.  I wouldn't be shocked if it was early either.  I think he comes looking to make an impression.  Also, he's pissed about the Haye fiasco, and he'll be looking to make someone pay.  Chagaev is that someone, IMO.  He almost got booed out of the Garden during that boring Imbragimov fight.  I can't see him putting on that type of show in front of his fans.  He has morphed into the ultimate boxer/puncher under the tutelage of Steward, and I think he picks apart Chagaev and stops him. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 1:49 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    I think Klitschko KOs him.  I wouldn't be shocked if it was early either.  I think he comes looking to make an impression.  Also, he's pissed about the Haye fiasco, and he'll be looking to make someone pay.  Chagaev is that someone, IMO.  He almost got booed out of the Garden during that boring Imbragimov fight.  I can't see him putting on that type of show in front of his fans.  He has morphed into the ultimate boxer/puncher under the tutelage of Steward, and I think he picks apart Chagaev and stops him. 

    Danno, I honestly would not agrue with you too much here. I think this is a horror fight to call, hence my recommendation of LOW stakes. Also the line for the under has moved dramtically in the past 72 hours and this is concerning for over backers..

    I really regret not making Jean Pascal my bet of the weekend but A2C and Ceemoney (guys I respect on this forum) called this fight perfect so hopefully people here made money on it..I made 800 dollars last weelend on the Cotto fight and I have gambled that on the over tonight. I am not willing to part with a cent more. My last 4 predictions on this forum won (Froch to beat Taylor, Manny to KO Hatton, Berto to beat Urango on Points and Cotto to beat Clottley) and I was confident on those picks (even though Cotto and Froch made me sweat for my cash!). I am NOT overly confident on this fight. Too many what ifs. Just making a pick that I believe to be the best one.

    I am a profitable gambler. Its taken a million bad beats over a number of years to get good and the last thing I want is to give people bad advice. If I can make money and fellow gamblers money then it makes me a happy man. Danno, you know your boxing and I respect your judgement as always. I would rather be on the same side but that can't always be the case. Good luck with your pick buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    I think Klitschko KOs him.  I wouldn't be shocked if it was early either.  I think he comes looking to make an impression.  Also, he's pissed about the Haye fiasco, and he'll be looking to make someone pay.  Chagaev is that someone, IMO.  He almost got booed out of the Garden during that boring Imbragimov fight.  I can't see him putting on that type of show in front of his fans.  He has morphed into the ultimate boxer/puncher under the tutelage of Steward, and I think he picks apart Chagaev and stops him. 

    Danno, I honestly would not agrue with you too much here. I think this is a horror fight to call, hence my recommendation of LOW stakes. Also the line for the under has moved dramtically in the past 72 hours and this is concerning for over backers..

    I really regret not making Jean Pascal my bet of the weekend but A2C and Ceemoney (guys I respect on this forum) called this fight perfect so hopefully people here made money on it..I made 800 dollars last weelend on the Cotto fight and I have gambled that on the over tonight. I am not willing to part with a cent more. My last 4 predictions on this forum won (Froch to beat Taylor, Manny to KO Hatton, Berto to beat Urango on Points and Cotto to beat Clottley) and I was confident on those picks (even though Cotto and Froch made me sweat for my cash!). I am NOT overly confident on this fight. Too many what ifs. Just making a pick that I believe to be the best one.

    I am a profitable gambler. Its taken a million bad beats over a number of years to get good and the last thing I want is to give people bad advice. If I can make money and fellow gamblers money then it makes me a happy man. Danno, you know your boxing and I respect your judgement as always. I would rather be on the same side but that can't always be the case. Good luck with your pick buddy.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:30 PM ET #7

    This fight absolutely sucks..Yes Wlad is technically good but the Klitschko's are ruining the heavyweight division which desperately needs a saviour..
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    This fight absolutely sucks..Yes Wlad is technically good but the Klitschko's are ruining the heavyweight division which desperately needs a saviour..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:43 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    This fight absolutely sucks..Yes Wlad is technically good but the Klitschko's are ruining the heavyweight division which desperately needs a saviour..

    wrote the same thing in another thread man this isn't good to watch just sit back and pick off with punches that don't even hurt him...

    If i wanted to see a dodging, running type of activity I'd play dodgeball

    Must make the brothers fight each other which won't happen so we have to get an iron chin to take out the glass chin

    Then the better brother can come for revenge!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    This fight absolutely sucks..Yes Wlad is technically good but the Klitschko's are ruining the heavyweight division which desperately needs a saviour..

    wrote the same thing in another thread man this isn't good to watch just sit back and pick off with punches that don't even hurt him...

    If i wanted to see a dodging, running type of activity I'd play dodgeball

    Must make the brothers fight each other which won't happen so we have to get an iron chin to take out the glass chin

    Then the better brother can come for revenge!!!!

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:45 PM ET #9

    I know my Pick Cotto won last week but the fight didn't go as I felt it would in my writeup. Then again the cut made a huge difference as Miguel looked great before that. Anyway I am happy to say this fight went EXACTLY as I thought it would. Gladly I can now switch it off as my bet is won.. Please god give us some heavyweights we can cheer and really support. Anyway bet won. Night all
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    I know my Pick Cotto won last week but the fight didn't go as I felt it would in my writeup. Then again the cut made a huge difference as Miguel looked great before that. Anyway I am happy to say this fight went EXACTLY as I thought it would. Gladly I can now switch it off as my bet is won.. Please god give us some heavyweights we can cheer and really support. Anyway bet won. Night all
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:48 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I know my Pick Cotto won last week but the fight didn't go as I felt it would in my writeup. Then again the cut made a huge difference as Miguel looked great before that. Anyway I am happy to say this fight went EXACTLY as I thought it would. Gladly I can now switch it off as my bet is won.. Please god give us some heavyweights we can cheer and really support. Anyway bet won. Night all

    Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I know my Pick Cotto won last week but the fight didn't go as I felt it would in my writeup. Then again the cut made a huge difference as Miguel looked great before that. Anyway I am happy to say this fight went EXACTLY as I thought it would. Gladly I can now switch it off as my bet is won.. Please god give us some heavyweights we can cheer and really support. Anyway bet won. Night all

    Amen

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:52 PM ET #11

    The over Lost 9.5 rounds.. only went 9.
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    The over Lost 9.5 rounds.. only went 9.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:52 PM ET #12

    Well so much for the over winning.
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    Well so much for the over winning.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:55 PM ET #13

    In my book (www.paddypower.com) Rich its over 9.5 which means over 1:30 in the 9th round. The money is in my account already! yahoo
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    In my book (www.paddypower.com) Rich its over 9.5 which means over 1:30 in the 9th round. The money is in my account already! yahoo
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:55 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I know my Pick Cotto won last week but the fight didn't go as I felt it would in my writeup. Then again the cut made a huge difference as Miguel looked great before that. Anyway I am happy to say this fight went EXACTLY as I thought it would. Gladly I can now switch it off as my bet is won.. Please god give us some heavyweights we can cheer and really support. Anyway bet won. Night all


    How did the bet win? it went UNDER 9.5. They stopped it in between rounds they said a cut but he really quit. He didn't have a chance anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    I know my Pick Cotto won last week but the fight didn't go as I felt it would in my writeup. Then again the cut made a huge difference as Miguel looked great before that. Anyway I am happy to say this fight went EXACTLY as I thought it would. Gladly I can now switch it off as my bet is won.. Please god give us some heavyweights we can cheer and really support. Anyway bet won. Night all


    How did the bet win? it went UNDER 9.5. They stopped it in between rounds they said a cut but he really quit. He didn't have a chance anyways.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:56 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    In my book (www.paddypower.com) Rich its over 9.5 which means over 1:30 in the 9th round. The money is in my account already! yahoo


    I don't see how that's possible.. I want to join your book.. the fight didn't go over 9.5 rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    In my book (www.paddypower.com) Rich its over 9.5 which means over 1:30 in the 9th round. The money is in my account already! yahoo


    I don't see how that's possible.. I want to join your book.. the fight didn't go over 9.5 rounds.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 5:58 PM ET #16

    Rich I dont know what is going on! all I know is that my book has paid me for the win!? And I aint giving it back! Seriously I will be interested to see if they take the money back........
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    Rich I dont know what is going on! all I know is that my book has paid me for the win!? And I aint giving it back! Seriously I will be interested to see if they take the money back........
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 6:01 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich I dont know what is going on! all I know is that my book has paid me for the win!? And I aint giving it back! Seriously I will be interested to see if they take the money back........


    Yes they will be taking it back lol, I checked the results, it said it went "Under" Here is the results from your site. I wouldn't WAGER the MONEY because anything you win with that cash they will take everything.. better to let it lay there and SEE if they let it go.  Maybe you clicked under by mistake lol?

    Full Boxing Results
    Result
    Boxing Match Betting
    Wladimir Klitschko 
    Round Betting
    Wladimir Klitschko To Win in Round 9 
    Total Rounds
    Under 9.5 
    Group Round Betting
    Wladimir Klitschko Round 7-9 
    Method of Victory
    Wladimir Klitschko KO/TKO 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich I dont know what is going on! all I know is that my book has paid me for the win!? And I aint giving it back! Seriously I will be interested to see if they take the money back........


    Yes they will be taking it back lol, I checked the results, it said it went "Under" Here is the results from your site. I wouldn't WAGER the MONEY because anything you win with that cash they will take everything.. better to let it lay there and SEE if they let it go.  Maybe you clicked under by mistake lol?

    Full Boxing Results
    Result
    Boxing Match Betting
    Wladimir Klitschko 
    Round Betting
    Wladimir Klitschko To Win in Round 9 
    Total Rounds
    Under 9.5 
    Group Round Betting
    Wladimir Klitschko Round 7-9 
    Method of Victory
    Wladimir Klitschko KO/TKO 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 6:26 PM ET #18

    Nope result stands! According to them, the fight went over 1:31 in the 9th round..My win stands my book just confirmed it..
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    Nope result stands! According to them, the fight went over 1:31 in the 9th round..My win stands my book just confirmed it..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 6:30 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Nope result stands! According to them, the fight went over 1:31 in the 9th round..My win stands my book just confirmed it..


    How can that be I POSTED the results.. from THEIR website, it clearly says the fight went UNDER 9.5 it's their OWN results.. lol. Please sign us up with your BOOK!!!  Are they legit? I mean see my post above.. how can they say it went over when their results.. say UNDER.

    Is this for all their fights??? Because if that's the case.. boxing fans... have a HUGE edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Nope result stands! According to them, the fight went over 1:31 in the 9th round..My win stands my book just confirmed it..


    How can that be I POSTED the results.. from THEIR website, it clearly says the fight went UNDER 9.5 it's their OWN results.. lol. Please sign us up with your BOOK!!!  Are they legit? I mean see my post above.. how can they say it went over when their results.. say UNDER.

    Is this for all their fights??? Because if that's the case.. boxing fans... have a HUGE edge.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 6:41 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Nope result stands! According to them, the fight went over 1:31 in the 9th round..My win stands my book just confirmed it..


    He only completed 9 rounds, your book even has the results.. listed as "Under 9.5".. can you confirm they do this for ALL the fights?  (The ones being listed u/o 9.5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Nope result stands! According to them, the fight went over 1:31 in the 9th round..My win stands my book just confirmed it..


    He only completed 9 rounds, your book even has the results.. listed as "Under 9.5".. can you confirm they do this for ALL the fights?  (The ones being listed u/o 9.5?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 6:45 PM ET #21

    Boxrec has the fight ended in r10? I haven't seen the fight yet. Wikipedia also say's under klitschko's page that he won in 3:00 of round 9. I'm downloading the fight right now
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    Boxrec has the fight ended in r10? I haven't seen the fight yet. Wikipedia also say's under klitschko's page that he won in 3:00 of round 9. I'm downloading the fight right now
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 8:04 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven19083:

    Boxrec has the fight ended in r10? I haven't seen the fight yet. Wikipedia also say's under klitschko's page that he won in 3:00 of round 9. I'm downloading the fight right now


    The fight never went to the 10th round. The bell sounded for the end of the 9th, and the corner stopped it. So besides Mack everyone else with over 9.5 LOST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven19083:

    Boxrec has the fight ended in r10? I haven't seen the fight yet. Wikipedia also say's under klitschko's page that he won in 3:00 of round 9. I'm downloading the fight right now


    The fight never went to the 10th round. The bell sounded for the end of the 9th, and the corner stopped it. So besides Mack everyone else with over 9.5 LOST.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 8:59 PM ET #23

    In boxing bets, o9.5 means it goes past 1:30 of the 9th round right?
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    In boxing bets, o9.5 means it goes past 1:30 of the 9th round right?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 9:01 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven19083:

    In boxing bets, o9.5 means it goes past 1:30 of the 9th round right?


    No. 9 full rounds, half of the 10th. Has to go past 1:30 in the 10th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven19083:

    In boxing bets, o9.5 means it goes past 1:30 of the 9th round right?


    No. 9 full rounds, half of the 10th. Has to go past 1:30 in the 10th.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2009 - 10:51 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    No. 9 full rounds, half of the 10th. Has to go past 1:30 in the 10th.


    Macks sportsbook had the wager result as "Under 9.5" yet still paid him as a winner... if this book considers this a winner.. (he said he verified and they said it's a win) even though their OWN results say it went UNDER  this could mean a big edge to a bettor..

    If Mack can verify they do this for all the fights.. I would wager there even though somehow I feel they will be taking back the money they credited to his account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:



    No. 9 full rounds, half of the 10th. Has to go past 1:30 in the 10th.


    Macks sportsbook had the wager result as "Under 9.5" yet still paid him as a winner... if this book considers this a winner.. (he said he verified and they said it's a win) even though their OWN results say it went UNDER  this could mean a big edge to a bettor..

    If Mack can verify they do this for all the fights.. I would wager there even though somehow I feel they will be taking back the money they credited to his account.
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