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    Jermain Taylor +250 this weekend is a steal!

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    DodgerBluFitted
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 12:49 AM ET #1

    Quite frankly I think oddsmakers screwed up with these lines.
    Taylor vs Abraham

    This is either a pickem fight

    So getting Taylor at +250 is CRAZY!


    Arther Abraham is untested and Jermain Taylor is BY FAR his stiffest competition..  Styles makes fights, and this is a nightmare for Abraham.. Taylors has a TON of experience fighting the best fighters out there, this is nothing new for him. This is probably the 4th best fighter Taylor has fought.. Arther has NEVER seen anything like Jermain. A tall explosive fighter, with a stinging jab, great hand speed with power.. Jermain has 1 weakness and thats stamina.. But reports are is that he's tweaked his training to fix that. I believe he will be fine going down the stretch..
    The only way Abraham wins is by KO. Abraham is a VERY slow starter while Taylor is a fast starter. Bums even win early rounds vs Taylor.. Im SURE Taylor will win the first 6 out of 8 rounds. So basically he just needs to win a couple more rounds and he has a decision..


    My only fears are Taylor being robbed as the fight is in Germany and him getting KO'd late. Abraham does have power, but we dont know how he will carry to 168 as this is his first fight at this weight..

    +250 is BRILLIANT value. It would be a sin not to drop a least a couple units on it

    Good Luck people!


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Quite frankly I think oddsmakers screwed up with these lines.
    Taylor vs Abraham

    This is either a pickem fight

    So getting Taylor at +250 is CRAZY!


    Arther Abraham is untested and Jermain Taylor is BY FAR his stiffest competition..  Styles makes fights, and this is a nightmare for Abraham.. Taylors has a TON of experience fighting the best fighters out there, this is nothing new for him. This is probably the 4th best fighter Taylor has fought.. Arther has NEVER seen anything like Jermain. A tall explosive fighter, with a stinging jab, great hand speed with power.. Jermain has 1 weakness and thats stamina.. But reports are is that he's tweaked his training to fix that. I believe he will be fine going down the stretch..
    The only way Abraham wins is by KO. Abraham is a VERY slow starter while Taylor is a fast starter. Bums even win early rounds vs Taylor.. Im SURE Taylor will win the first 6 out of 8 rounds. So basically he just needs to win a couple more rounds and he has a decision..


    My only fears are Taylor being robbed as the fight is in Germany and him getting KO'd late. Abraham does have power, but we dont know how he will carry to 168 as this is his first fight at this weight..

    +250 is BRILLIANT value. It would be a sin not to drop a least a couple units on it

    Good Luck people!


     
    Mack05
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 7:59 AM ET #2

    Couldn't disagree more Dodger. King Aurthur seems to be seriously underestimated in the States. He is as sound a fighter as they come. He is the kind of fighter that does everything well. He is a slow starter as he is very methodical and it takes him time to suss his opponent out, so Taylor backers might be in a good position after round 4 (If you can bet in-running, AA is a GREAT bet after 4 rounds)
     
    Dodger you seriously want to recommend backing a fighter that's lost 3 of his last 5 fights. That is travelling to fight a major fight for the first time in his career against an undefeated warrior in his hometown in front of fantical (and I do mean fanatical) fans. Jermain is a lot of things but the one thing he aint is a warrior. I have watched fights all over the world. From Vegas to Thailand and all the places in between. Believe me when I tell you, Taylor will NEVER have experienced an atmosphere like he is going to experience Saturday night. AA is a god in Germany and there is NO WAY he loses to a mentally shot fighter on his home patch. It just aint going to happen.   
     
    Guys I urge you NOT to follow this guy as its money down the drain. +250 is anything but a steal, its what Vegas and guys like this poster (who know little about boxing) want you to think.
     
    My advice Parlay Abraham with another bet you like. You won't be sorry.
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    Couldn't disagree more Dodger. King Aurthur seems to be seriously underestimated in the States. He is as sound a fighter as they come. He is the kind of fighter that does everything well. He is a slow starter as he is very methodical and it takes him time to suss his opponent out, so Taylor backers might be in a good position after round 4 (If you can bet in-running, AA is a GREAT bet after 4 rounds)
     
    Dodger you seriously want to recommend backing a fighter that's lost 3 of his last 5 fights. That is travelling to fight a major fight for the first time in his career against an undefeated warrior in his hometown in front of fantical (and I do mean fanatical) fans. Jermain is a lot of things but the one thing he aint is a warrior. I have watched fights all over the world. From Vegas to Thailand and all the places in between. Believe me when I tell you, Taylor will NEVER have experienced an atmosphere like he is going to experience Saturday night. AA is a god in Germany and there is NO WAY he loses to a mentally shot fighter on his home patch. It just aint going to happen.   
     
    Guys I urge you NOT to follow this guy as its money down the drain. +250 is anything but a steal, its what Vegas and guys like this poster (who know little about boxing) want you to think.
     
    My advice Parlay Abraham with another bet you like. You won't be sorry.
     
    nuttyrich
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 9:14 AM ET #3

    I think majority of the forum knows I DO like Jermaine because of the odds, but this is NO way in a steal.

    In fact I like Jermaine a bit less now because he used being over weight as an excuse for his stamina woes. That is PURE BS.

    Jermaine was a 160 fighter who moved UP in weight, so making weight should NEVER be a problem, unless you don't train properly.

    If he would have admitted it is a mental issue and he's been working on it, I would have backed him a bit more. His fatigue issues were seen as far back as when he fought Hopkins.

    See the last 2 rounds I believe of the first fight where Hopkins Catches him with a solid right, and what does Jermaine do? Back up.. like he did against Pavlik and at the end with Froch.

    Jermaine is a LIVE dog, but no steal. I believe he matches up well against Abraham and we all know the outcome. Jermaine wins an easy decision, or gets knocked out. It's why he's a 3-1 UNDER DOG.

    Jermaine wins rounds very decisively especially the first 8, given we all know Abraham is a slow starter, Jermaine should have the first half of the fight in the bag.

    If his stamina becomes an issue, he wins up on his ass like Pavlik and Froch did to him.

    Jermaine doesn't know how to HOLD or even have the WILL to fight once he fatigues.

    I know Abraham's CHIN will carry over to 168 that's not the question. We know Abraham is a gritty fighter and has heart.

    Can his power carry over to 168 who knows, but in this fight its all about Jermaine's stamina, and if you believe Jermaine's story about "weight" being an issue and that's why he had stamina issues I have a bridge to sell you :)

    Flat out he has a mental problem, and he's fighting in another country hence the high odds.

    If the end of the 12th bell rings, I feel Jermaine WINS in decent fashion. Only because Abraham's methodical style can allow Jermaine to rack up rounds and not spend TOO MUCH energy.

    Remember it's mental, if you remove the collapse against Froch, Jermaine would probably be even money, but fact is he had an easy victory and gave it away .. when all he had to do was coast the 12th.

    Anyone jumping on Jermaine please don't buy his stamina story. Bet him if you truly think he can win, also look at Abraham and then bet.

    I'm not going to urge anyone to bet either way, go with your heart, but USE LOGIC. Remember Vegas aren't idiots, he's a 3-1 dog for a REASON.

    If you can get past Jermaine's question marks, and still feel it's a steal then well "Perception is Reality", and you bet all you like.

    Just throwing the facts out there, as much as I believe Jermaine has a legit shot at winning, I know he comes in with mental baggage that's your truly getting the high ODDS for.

    Remember Jermaine always had stamina issues, pressure fighters exposed that.. and you need to see if Abraham can pressure him enough to wilt.

    Please don't wager because Jermaine says the stamina was due to losing too much weight, that throws even MORE question marks into his dedication.

    Think of Jermaine like a Cheetah extreme speed,  but not for a LONG period of time., after a Cheetah goes 86 MPH for it's prey it either gets it or  gives up because it doesn't have any energy left.

    That is your Jermaine Taylor in a nut shell.

    Good luck,
      
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    I think majority of the forum knows I DO like Jermaine because of the odds, but this is NO way in a steal.

    In fact I like Jermaine a bit less now because he used being over weight as an excuse for his stamina woes. That is PURE BS.

    Jermaine was a 160 fighter who moved UP in weight, so making weight should NEVER be a problem, unless you don't train properly.

    If he would have admitted it is a mental issue and he's been working on it, I would have backed him a bit more. His fatigue issues were seen as far back as when he fought Hopkins.

    See the last 2 rounds I believe of the first fight where Hopkins Catches him with a solid right, and what does Jermaine do? Back up.. like he did against Pavlik and at the end with Froch.

    Jermaine is a LIVE dog, but no steal. I believe he matches up well against Abraham and we all know the outcome. Jermaine wins an easy decision, or gets knocked out. It's why he's a 3-1 UNDER DOG.

    Jermaine wins rounds very decisively especially the first 8, given we all know Abraham is a slow starter, Jermaine should have the first half of the fight in the bag.

    If his stamina becomes an issue, he wins up on his ass like Pavlik and Froch did to him.

    Jermaine doesn't know how to HOLD or even have the WILL to fight once he fatigues.

    I know Abraham's CHIN will carry over to 168 that's not the question. We know Abraham is a gritty fighter and has heart.

    Can his power carry over to 168 who knows, but in this fight its all about Jermaine's stamina, and if you believe Jermaine's story about "weight" being an issue and that's why he had stamina issues I have a bridge to sell you :)

    Flat out he has a mental problem, and he's fighting in another country hence the high odds.

    If the end of the 12th bell rings, I feel Jermaine WINS in decent fashion. Only because Abraham's methodical style can allow Jermaine to rack up rounds and not spend TOO MUCH energy.

    Remember it's mental, if you remove the collapse against Froch, Jermaine would probably be even money, but fact is he had an easy victory and gave it away .. when all he had to do was coast the 12th.

    Anyone jumping on Jermaine please don't buy his stamina story. Bet him if you truly think he can win, also look at Abraham and then bet.

    I'm not going to urge anyone to bet either way, go with your heart, but USE LOGIC. Remember Vegas aren't idiots, he's a 3-1 dog for a REASON.

    If you can get past Jermaine's question marks, and still feel it's a steal then well "Perception is Reality", and you bet all you like.

    Just throwing the facts out there, as much as I believe Jermaine has a legit shot at winning, I know he comes in with mental baggage that's your truly getting the high ODDS for.

    Remember Jermaine always had stamina issues, pressure fighters exposed that.. and you need to see if Abraham can pressure him enough to wilt.

    Please don't wager because Jermaine says the stamina was due to losing too much weight, that throws even MORE question marks into his dedication.

    Think of Jermaine like a Cheetah extreme speed,  but not for a LONG period of time., after a Cheetah goes 86 MPH for it's prey it either gets it or  gives up because it doesn't have any energy left.

    That is your Jermaine Taylor in a nut shell.

    Good luck,
      
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 11:24 AM ET #4

    Rich we completely disagree on this fight (same with Froch and Taylor). Difference is I don't think your giving AA nearly as much credit as he deserves as a boxer. His style may be unspectacular but it is extremely effective. The guy is a nightmare to box against. He is in my eyes a FAR superior fighter then Carl Froch and I look forward to that fight as Froch is tailor made for AA and for Kessler too in matter of fact. Froch loses easy decision to both those fighters.
     
    AA, I agree Rich will lose the first few rounds but here lies the problem. He is going to win at least the last 5 and he will not lose a close decision on German soil. When AA connects (and he will connect) the crowd will go beserk and you will literally see the confidence drain from Taylors face. JT has hand speed to trouble anyone but he is a mentally shot fighter. When AA connects with his first big shot it will go downhill from there. I believe there is NO value in Taylor whatsoever because he cannot win this fight. To win he will have to knock AA out. And we know just how tough AA is.
     
    It was the same that way when Clottley fought Cotto (I was right on that one too Rich :-). Only way Clottley was going to win was by KO. The crowd will even be more nuts and one sided on Saturday night compared to Clottley fight.
     
    How anyone can bet Taylor the way he has faded in his past few fights is beyond me! "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Yet some of you will want to be fooled a 3rd time!
     
    Don't believe that rubbish in tweaking his training so he doesnt fade. Taylor fading is not a physical problem. The guy is ripped, a tremendous athelete. Taylors problem fading is mental. When a fighter puts relenting pressure on him he starts to buckle. Not only will Taylor fade in this fight but he will fade even quicker then he did against Froch and Pavlik. The crazy crowd and AA's clever sustained pressure means Taylor is gased by round 9.
     
    Will Taylor backers ever learn? Taylors best chance to win are against the Andre's. Against Kessler or AA has only a punchers chance and very little else.
     
    Guys that follow my picks please do NOT back Jermaine. The books what you to think there is value when there is none...
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    Rich we completely disagree on this fight (same with Froch and Taylor). Difference is I don't think your giving AA nearly as much credit as he deserves as a boxer. His style may be unspectacular but it is extremely effective. The guy is a nightmare to box against. He is in my eyes a FAR superior fighter then Carl Froch and I look forward to that fight as Froch is tailor made for AA and for Kessler too in matter of fact. Froch loses easy decision to both those fighters.
     
    AA, I agree Rich will lose the first few rounds but here lies the problem. He is going to win at least the last 5 and he will not lose a close decision on German soil. When AA connects (and he will connect) the crowd will go beserk and you will literally see the confidence drain from Taylors face. JT has hand speed to trouble anyone but he is a mentally shot fighter. When AA connects with his first big shot it will go downhill from there. I believe there is NO value in Taylor whatsoever because he cannot win this fight. To win he will have to knock AA out. And we know just how tough AA is.
     
    It was the same that way when Clottley fought Cotto (I was right on that one too Rich :-). Only way Clottley was going to win was by KO. The crowd will even be more nuts and one sided on Saturday night compared to Clottley fight.
     
    How anyone can bet Taylor the way he has faded in his past few fights is beyond me! "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." Yet some of you will want to be fooled a 3rd time!
     
    Don't believe that rubbish in tweaking his training so he doesnt fade. Taylor fading is not a physical problem. The guy is ripped, a tremendous athelete. Taylors problem fading is mental. When a fighter puts relenting pressure on him he starts to buckle. Not only will Taylor fade in this fight but he will fade even quicker then he did against Froch and Pavlik. The crazy crowd and AA's clever sustained pressure means Taylor is gased by round 9.
     
    Will Taylor backers ever learn? Taylors best chance to win are against the Andre's. Against Kessler or AA has only a punchers chance and very little else.
     
    Guys that follow my picks please do NOT back Jermaine. The books what you to think there is value when there is none...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2009 - 12:26 PM ET #5

    I know you say we disagree, you may have ended up with the (W) and that's all that matters but the way you predicted the fight to happen didn't happen according to planned.

    You said yourself, Froch is over rated after he got by Taylor. You were sky high on Froch then saw what *I* saw before the fight.. which is .. Froch wasn't as good as you were claiming him to be.

    Froch needed a 12th round Melt down to beat Jermaine, Jermaine lost that fight on his own, and yes it is MENTAL.

    Clottey won that fight, and I wrote before the fight, It's in "Madison Square Garden"  and people were like why do you keep writing that, well because it was a day before the P.R day Parade and the garden was full of P.R people  to back their P.R fighter.

    I knew Clottey had a large chance at being ripped off, I wrote about it before hand.

    I understand Jermaine is a 3-1 dog, which would mean a monumental <--upset  hey look mental is in the word!.

    When I say Jermaine has a shot, I don't mean for people to go wager a ton of money on him. At 3-1 you don't need to wager much.

    I'm not a fan of Abraham he hasn't impressed me to warrant a 3-1 favorite.

    You are suggesting a Knockout, because you are conceding that Jermaine grabs at least the first 6  rounds (rather easily).

     You say he will connect on Jermaine and then it will be downhill, well I can only read it as you saying KO by AA.. because once Jermaine the "Cheetah" loses his stamina and starts to get tagged.. it's lights  out, it's a given.. so what round do you believe AA finishes Taylor?

    I personally don't see AA as a 3-1 favorite if *I* was making the line. I understand it's in Germany, but when Jermaine wins rounds he wins them very lop sided. I don't think he will get robbed as the rounds will be VERY clear to score.

    Basically the bet is simple, take 3-1 for Jermaine NOT to get KO'd :) If he goes to a decision he should get the nod.

    This is not a setup fight like Cotto was, this is a Tourney, if Abraham loses and gets the nod, then Kessler who is fighting in the U.S is in serious trouble and would essentially need a KO to win.


    Again it's easy to pick the favorite who is 3-1 in his home town, but you neglect to say why besides Jermaine's stamina issues that he would beat Jermaine.

    Jermaine is faster, and stronger...

    Only question is WILL Jermaine fade, if he does he loses, not rocket science, if he doesn't he wins rather easily even in Germany.

    Please tell me BESIDES stamina where AA is the better fighter? Stamina and Germany are the reason it's 3-1.

    Remember Jermaine put two pure 168 pounders on their ass, who have never been down before. AA is moving UP, NO ONE can predict how he will punch at 168. If this isn't a live dog when will it be?
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    I know you say we disagree, you may have ended up with the (W) and that's all that matters but the way you predicted the fight to happen didn't happen according to planned.

    You said yourself, Froch is over rated after he got by Taylor. You were sky high on Froch then saw what *I* saw before the fight.. which is .. Froch wasn't as good as you were claiming him to be.

    Froch needed a 12th round Melt down to beat Jermaine, Jermaine lost that fight on his own, and yes it is MENTAL.

    Clottey won that fight, and I wrote before the fight, It's in "Madison Square Garden"  and people were like why do you keep writing that, well because it was a day before the P.R day Parade and the garden was full of P.R people  to back their P.R fighter.

    I knew Clottey had a large chance at being ripped off, I wrote about it before hand.

    I understand Jermaine is a 3-1 dog, which would mean a monumental <--upset  hey look mental is in the word!.

    When I say Jermaine has a shot, I don't mean for people to go wager a ton of money on him. At 3-1 you don't need to wager much.

    I'm not a fan of Abraham he hasn't impressed me to warrant a 3-1 favorite.

    You are suggesting a Knockout, because you are conceding that Jermaine grabs at least the first 6  rounds (rather easily).

     You say he will connect on Jermaine and then it will be downhill, well I can only read it as you saying KO by AA.. because once Jermaine the "Cheetah" loses his stamina and starts to get tagged.. it's lights  out, it's a given.. so what round do you believe AA finishes Taylor?

    I personally don't see AA as a 3-1 favorite if *I* was making the line. I understand it's in Germany, but when Jermaine wins rounds he wins them very lop sided. I don't think he will get robbed as the rounds will be VERY clear to score.

    Basically the bet is simple, take 3-1 for Jermaine NOT to get KO'd :) If he goes to a decision he should get the nod.

    This is not a setup fight like Cotto was, this is a Tourney, if Abraham loses and gets the nod, then Kessler who is fighting in the U.S is in serious trouble and would essentially need a KO to win.


    Again it's easy to pick the favorite who is 3-1 in his home town, but you neglect to say why besides Jermaine's stamina issues that he would beat Jermaine.

    Jermaine is faster, and stronger...

    Only question is WILL Jermaine fade, if he does he loses, not rocket science, if he doesn't he wins rather easily even in Germany.

    Please tell me BESIDES stamina where AA is the better fighter? Stamina and Germany are the reason it's 3-1.

    Remember Jermaine put two pure 168 pounders on their ass, who have never been down before. AA is moving UP, NO ONE can predict how he will punch at 168. If this isn't a live dog when will it be?
     
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    Taylor is a bum, I still cant believe he gets decent fights his last fight against froch should have nailed the coffin on his overrated career. This man simply doesnt have the gas to go 12 rounds and you would be fooolish to lay good money on him unless you think he can ko abraham but history says he probably won't cause again he can't finish the deal, he had pavlik hurt couldnt close and he also had froch hurting too and couldnt close which lead to him get tko'd in the 12th when it was time to knuckle up.
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    Taylor is a bum, I still cant believe he gets decent fights his last fight against froch should have nailed the coffin on his overrated career. This man simply doesnt have the gas to go 12 rounds and you would be fooolish to lay good money on him unless you think he can ko abraham but history says he probably won't cause again he can't finish the deal, he had pavlik hurt couldnt close and he also had froch hurting too and couldnt close which lead to him get tko'd in the 12th when it was time to knuckle up.
     
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    Quite Harsh on Taylor there don't you think? That "BUM" was wiping the floor up with Froch he was 12 seconds away from sending Froch home as "exposed".

    I don't see why Abraham would be a 3-1 favorite he has fought no one besides Edison Miranda who everyone beats, Miranda gave him a very tough fight the first time, yes second fight Miranda got demolished, but Abraham has fought NO ONE besides a gritty one fight with Miranda who is not even a C+ BOXER.

    Taylor has fought Champion after Champion, while Abraham stays in Germany.

    I think most here are either taking a prop or parlaying Abraham  because no one can justify being a 3-1 favorite.

    It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize Taylor has issues with stamina, and that he has a chance at getting robbed in Germany. Hence the 3-1 ODDS.

    I haven't seen one person who is LAYING the CHALK with Abraham, without some prop or parlay.

    The original poster was way off saying it was a "steal" but you to say Taylor is a BUM is just as bad as him saying this is a steal.

    I think Taylor has value in this fight, yes we know it's in Germany and we know Taylor's Stamina issues, no one brings anything else to the table besides that. So in essence everyone is LAYING 3-1 or more because of Taylor, NOT because of Abraham.

    I haven't seen one statement from anyone that shows WHY they are taking AA, but rather it shows why they AREN'T taking Taylor, but I've yet to see ONE ticket that shows a straight bet on AA. -This I would like to see... :)

    No parlays, no props, I keep hearing, washed up, bum, easy victory.. for Abraham yet not one ticket posted showing someone actually betting Arthur.

    Always look as resumes, when betting a fighter. Maybe some are fools for taking 3-1, but some may be even bigger fools LAYING 3-1.

    This fight is a LOT closer than the odds. This is Abraham's FIRST real test, I've never seen such high odds on a fighter with NO resume and had to move UP in weight because he no longer could make weight. 

    I can see people picking a prop, parlay this into another fight, but I don't see the logic for people LAYING the CHALK at -300.

    We know Jermaine's + and - but no one mentions Abraham's especially when COMPARED to Taylor.

    Remember Taylor's 10 fights were against either current champs or former champs... and Abraham?
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    Quite Harsh on Taylor there don't you think? That "BUM" was wiping the floor up with Froch he was 12 seconds away from sending Froch home as "exposed".

    I don't see why Abraham would be a 3-1 favorite he has fought no one besides Edison Miranda who everyone beats, Miranda gave him a very tough fight the first time, yes second fight Miranda got demolished, but Abraham has fought NO ONE besides a gritty one fight with Miranda who is not even a C+ BOXER.

    Taylor has fought Champion after Champion, while Abraham stays in Germany.

    I think most here are either taking a prop or parlaying Abraham  because no one can justify being a 3-1 favorite.

    It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize Taylor has issues with stamina, and that he has a chance at getting robbed in Germany. Hence the 3-1 ODDS.

    I haven't seen one person who is LAYING the CHALK with Abraham, without some prop or parlay.

    The original poster was way off saying it was a "steal" but you to say Taylor is a BUM is just as bad as him saying this is a steal.

    I think Taylor has value in this fight, yes we know it's in Germany and we know Taylor's Stamina issues, no one brings anything else to the table besides that. So in essence everyone is LAYING 3-1 or more because of Taylor, NOT because of Abraham.

    I haven't seen one statement from anyone that shows WHY they are taking AA, but rather it shows why they AREN'T taking Taylor, but I've yet to see ONE ticket that shows a straight bet on AA. -This I would like to see... :)

    No parlays, no props, I keep hearing, washed up, bum, easy victory.. for Abraham yet not one ticket posted showing someone actually betting Arthur.

    Always look as resumes, when betting a fighter. Maybe some are fools for taking 3-1, but some may be even bigger fools LAYING 3-1.

    This fight is a LOT closer than the odds. This is Abraham's FIRST real test, I've never seen such high odds on a fighter with NO resume and had to move UP in weight because he no longer could make weight. 

    I can see people picking a prop, parlay this into another fight, but I don't see the logic for people LAYING the CHALK at -300.

    We know Jermaine's + and - but no one mentions Abraham's especially when COMPARED to Taylor.

    Remember Taylor's 10 fights were against either current champs or former champs... and Abraham?
     
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    Nutty the quotes you used about my Froch/Taylor fight were correct but didnt I also say Froch would have to survive some seriously dodgy moments to win? Rich, I respect you as a man and as a capper but we are MILES apart on this one. I really rate AA, you don't. Saturday will reveal all. We could go back and forth but it would be a waste of time. Neither of us will be swayed in our judgements and rightly so. Your a boxing man like me and this Saturday boxing is the winner! Good luck with your plays bro 
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    Nutty the quotes you used about my Froch/Taylor fight were correct but didnt I also say Froch would have to survive some seriously dodgy moments to win? Rich, I respect you as a man and as a capper but we are MILES apart on this one. I really rate AA, you don't. Saturday will reveal all. We could go back and forth but it would be a waste of time. Neither of us will be swayed in our judgements and rightly so. Your a boxing man like me and this Saturday boxing is the winner! Good luck with your plays bro 
     
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    Mack I have the utmost respect for you, some of this wasn't aimed at you, some of this was to the people who posted he was a "BUM".

    I would never try to sway you or anyone, you nor myself could never be swayed. I hope we don't sway anyone because I only post how I feel about the fight, facts and such.

    I clearly state *I* know the risks with Jermaine, he's a 3-1 dog for a reason. Anyone who plunges a ton on him or ANY 3-1 dog no matter how "live" the dog may be deserves to LOSE a lot of money.

    I try to look at both sides, I easily told the person who started this thread Jermaine was "NOT" a steal, value play yes, but NOT a steal.

    I also took the side of him NOT being a BUM.

    As always not looking to argue or debate, just looking to discuss the fight.

    And yes you did say Froch would have to get past the early rounds first. Thing is he didn't get into the fight at all.. doesn't make a difference you still got the "W" :)

    I hope everyone does well this weekend :)

    I agree us boxing fans win this weekend!

    Is showtime considered PPV there? I would post a LINK to the stream when it airs but here in the U.S showtime is just a premium channel.

    So if anyone who is NOT in the U.S needs a stream, let me know.

    Good luck Mack,
             
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    Mack I have the utmost respect for you, some of this wasn't aimed at you, some of this was to the people who posted he was a "BUM".

    I would never try to sway you or anyone, you nor myself could never be swayed. I hope we don't sway anyone because I only post how I feel about the fight, facts and such.

    I clearly state *I* know the risks with Jermaine, he's a 3-1 dog for a reason. Anyone who plunges a ton on him or ANY 3-1 dog no matter how "live" the dog may be deserves to LOSE a lot of money.

    I try to look at both sides, I easily told the person who started this thread Jermaine was "NOT" a steal, value play yes, but NOT a steal.

    I also took the side of him NOT being a BUM.

    As always not looking to argue or debate, just looking to discuss the fight.

    And yes you did say Froch would have to get past the early rounds first. Thing is he didn't get into the fight at all.. doesn't make a difference you still got the "W" :)

    I hope everyone does well this weekend :)

    I agree us boxing fans win this weekend!

    Is showtime considered PPV there? I would post a LINK to the stream when it airs but here in the U.S showtime is just a premium channel.

    So if anyone who is NOT in the U.S needs a stream, let me know.

    Good luck Mack,
             
     
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    Rich I will be traveling over to Froch v Dirrell. I go to most big fights around Europe. I will post some live updates from my Blackberry. I happen to think there is AMAZING value in AA. If you look hard enough you can find -250 with some European books.
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    Rich I will be traveling over to Froch v Dirrell. I go to most big fights around Europe. I will post some live updates from my Blackberry. I happen to think there is AMAZING value in AA. If you look hard enough you can find -250 with some European books.
     
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    Jermain is a nervous robot that is programmed to self destruct after round 10. In Germany with a hostile crowd and a polished, strong counter puncher, he should begin falling apart in round 7 or 8.
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    Jermain is a nervous robot that is programmed to self destruct after round 10. In Germany with a hostile crowd and a polished, strong counter puncher, he should begin falling apart in round 7 or 8.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich I will be traveling over to Froch v Dirrell. I go to most big fights around Europe. I will post some live updates from my Blackberry. I happen to think there is AMAZING value in AA. If you look hard enough you can find -250 with some European books.


    Mack you lucky SOB! You get to see it in person! Please enjoy yourself. Thanks for trying to look out for me on the Jermaine fight, but I no longer bet big money, betting is more for action now than my life as it used to be.

    I will only throw a few bucks on Jermaine, betting everything I had was quite a few years ago, I left that life behind, now I wager just for action and possibly upsets or when severely bored.

    I can understand why you would be so strong on all of this you're using a bettors mentality and you wager a lot of $$ on fighters. So I fully know where you are coming from, your convictions are much stronger when you have a lot of money invested.

    You know the Euro books don't like US Yankees anymore :) Since congress passed that law a few years ago.

    Showtime has the first fight starting at 8 PM, that's 1 am UK time as you guys are 5 hours ahead, is showtime actually showing this LIVE or a Tape delay?

    They say LIVE, but that would mean the boxing fights start very late .. 1 and 2 am your time... ?

     The books have the cutoff time at 3:00 PM which is 8:00 PM your time...

    I would hate to see this on a tape delay can you clarify if showtime will be airing this LIVE in the U.S NOT a Tape Delay? What time does is say on your ticket for Froch/Dirrell  will start?

    Did I mention you are a lucky SOB to see this LIVE in PERSON! :)

    Good luck Buddy, enjoy your trip!
                   
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich I will be traveling over to Froch v Dirrell. I go to most big fights around Europe. I will post some live updates from my Blackberry. I happen to think there is AMAZING value in AA. If you look hard enough you can find -250 with some European books.


    Mack you lucky SOB! You get to see it in person! Please enjoy yourself. Thanks for trying to look out for me on the Jermaine fight, but I no longer bet big money, betting is more for action now than my life as it used to be.

    I will only throw a few bucks on Jermaine, betting everything I had was quite a few years ago, I left that life behind, now I wager just for action and possibly upsets or when severely bored.

    I can understand why you would be so strong on all of this you're using a bettors mentality and you wager a lot of $$ on fighters. So I fully know where you are coming from, your convictions are much stronger when you have a lot of money invested.

    You know the Euro books don't like US Yankees anymore :) Since congress passed that law a few years ago.

    Showtime has the first fight starting at 8 PM, that's 1 am UK time as you guys are 5 hours ahead, is showtime actually showing this LIVE or a Tape delay?

    They say LIVE, but that would mean the boxing fights start very late .. 1 and 2 am your time... ?

     The books have the cutoff time at 3:00 PM which is 8:00 PM your time...

    I would hate to see this on a tape delay can you clarify if showtime will be airing this LIVE in the U.S NOT a Tape Delay? What time does is say on your ticket for Froch/Dirrell  will start?

    Did I mention you are a lucky SOB to see this LIVE in PERSON! :)

    Good luck Buddy, enjoy your trip!
                   
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetMeSpin:

    Jermain is a nervous robot that is programmed to self destruct after round 10. In Germany with a hostile crowd and a polished, strong counter puncher, he should begin falling apart in round 7 or 8.


    LOL Letmespin, he does seem that way, like a little "jitter bug".

    I believe Jermaine will do better away from U.S Soil. I don't see AA as being that Polished, he seems technically OKAY so far, but his has faced no one to speak of. Many fighters look polished against inferior competition.

    Watch AA on video, he's VERY predictable, he ONLY throws punches when he sees openings, and when he does swing he doesn't throw straight punches well. I believe he will see HOW fast Jermaine is and find it hard to counter someone so blazing fast.

    His only shot is what everyone else is banking on, Jermaine fading in the later rounds.

    Look at AA, When he swings he leaves himself open(by dropping his hands), don't be fooled by his defense, he simply puts up his guard when a guy swings then AFTER the guy stops punching is when he attacks, he has NO head movement.

    I only point out AA as we know all about Jermaine (Both good and bad).


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    Quote Originally Posted by LetMeSpin:

    Jermain is a nervous robot that is programmed to self destruct after round 10. In Germany with a hostile crowd and a polished, strong counter puncher, he should begin falling apart in round 7 or 8.


    LOL Letmespin, he does seem that way, like a little "jitter bug".

    I believe Jermaine will do better away from U.S Soil. I don't see AA as being that Polished, he seems technically OKAY so far, but his has faced no one to speak of. Many fighters look polished against inferior competition.

    Watch AA on video, he's VERY predictable, he ONLY throws punches when he sees openings, and when he does swing he doesn't throw straight punches well. I believe he will see HOW fast Jermaine is and find it hard to counter someone so blazing fast.

    His only shot is what everyone else is banking on, Jermaine fading in the later rounds.

    Look at AA, When he swings he leaves himself open(by dropping his hands), don't be fooled by his defense, he simply puts up his guard when a guy swings then AFTER the guy stops punching is when he attacks, he has NO head movement.

    I only point out AA as we know all about Jermaine (Both good and bad).


     
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    Rich the Froch fight starts at 2:00am! My sister lives near Nottingham so at least I have a place to stay! Her kids getting me up at 7am, 3 hours after the fight, to play with their uncie is another matter though!  
     
    I don't think you get beat watching boxing live. Its a hobby of myself and my dad's and an expensive hobby a that, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I hope to see all European super six fights (thats phsically possible) and hope to see Pavlik v Williams as well.
     
    I would love to see Ward v Kessler. Just too far and expensive to travel. I would say the atmosphere will be awesome for that fight. Them Oakland fans tend to be quite vocal.
     
    I am looking forward to watching Froch v Dirrell. The boxing kicks off at 8.3o. Then they show AA and Taylor in the stadium, then move from the undercard at Nottingham and then the fight itself starts at 2 so its a cracking evening to look forard to.
    Trent arena is a cracking little stadium with a great atmosphere.
    I have met Carl Froch on 2 occasions. Really nice guy, very honest and always makes time for fans.
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    Rich the Froch fight starts at 2:00am! My sister lives near Nottingham so at least I have a place to stay! Her kids getting me up at 7am, 3 hours after the fight, to play with their uncie is another matter though!  
     
    I don't think you get beat watching boxing live. Its a hobby of myself and my dad's and an expensive hobby a that, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I hope to see all European super six fights (thats phsically possible) and hope to see Pavlik v Williams as well.
     
    I would love to see Ward v Kessler. Just too far and expensive to travel. I would say the atmosphere will be awesome for that fight. Them Oakland fans tend to be quite vocal.
     
    I am looking forward to watching Froch v Dirrell. The boxing kicks off at 8.3o. Then they show AA and Taylor in the stadium, then move from the undercard at Nottingham and then the fight itself starts at 2 so its a cracking evening to look forard to.
    Trent arena is a cracking little stadium with a great atmosphere.
    I have met Carl Froch on 2 occasions. Really nice guy, very honest and always makes time for fans.
     
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    Guys, I saw this review in Fightwriter. I think Graham sums up the fight absolutely perfectly..
     
    "So near to victory yet so far away against Carl Froch in April, Jermain Taylor faces another strong European fighter on Saturday when he meets Germany’s Arthur Abraham in the first of the eagerly awaited “Super Six” contests in Berlin.

    The 12-rounder will be shown on tape-delay on the Showtime network, followed by live coverage of Carl Froch’s fight with Andre Dirrell.

    These 12-rounders are what boxing should be all about: the best fighters fighting the best, and fans debating the outcome.

    For those unfamiliar with the format, six of the world’s top fighters in the super middleweight division are meeting in a round-robin tournament, each boxer guaranteed three fights. Mikkel Kessler will meet Andre Ward in the third of the opening bouts in the tournament

    First up, though, is Abraham against Taylor, which is expected to get the tournament off to a thrilling and dramatic start.

    Taylor, 31, believes he has found the answer to late-round fades of the type that led to his last-seconds defeat against Froch. He brought a nutritionist on board to monitor his diet and placed extra emphasis on strengthening his legs at his Houston training camp. Naturally, he says he is in the best shape of his life. “All I have to do is be in shape and I can beat anybody,” Taylor said in a phone conversation from Houston shortly before his departure for Germany. “I’ve been losing weight too fast. I haven’t been doing it right. It’s been killing me.”

    His plan for Abraham is to “box him a little bit, fight him a little bit”, he said, adding: “It’s going to be an easy fight.”

    An easy fight for Taylor? That’s not how the German side sees it. “Taylor is a great champion, but he will not beat me in front of my home fans in Berlin,” Abraham told the German media.

    “It will be a special evening. Taylor is a strong opponent, but inside the ring, it is not the stronger boxer who wins but the smarter one. You will find out on October 17.”

    Abraham is moving up from the middleweight division and is seen as the small fighter in the tournament. “Once Arthur has hit them, they will all have problems,” says Abraham’s trainer, Ulli Wegner.

    “In the past my biggest fight was to make weight, but not any more,” Abraham assured a press conference last week. “I’m a happy man being a super middleweight.”

    Abraham has ventured outside of the middleweight division before, of course, when he knocked out Edison Miranda in the fourth round of their rematch 16 months ago in Florida. After biding his time in the first three rounds, Abraham suddenly exploded into action with big left hooks that sent Miranda sprawling for three knockdowns.

    There was a serene confidence about Abraham before that fight. He would just give a knowing smile when Miranda spouted his usual fire-and-brimstone pre-fight declarations. It was as if Abraham knew what was going to happen in the fight. I have this feeling about him as he approaches Saturday’s fight.

    Taylor is seen as the faster, more athletic, classier boxer, which he probably is, and the former middleweight champion from Little Rock, AR, has the height and reach advantages.

    Abraham, though, is a strong, heavy handed, technically sound fighter, and he is undefeated — plus having home ground advantage.

    Also, Abraham is an exceptionally tough fighter, mentally and physically. This was demonstrated when Abraham fought the last eight rounds with a broken jaw in his first meeting with Miranda three years ago in a stirring display of guts and tenacity.

    Abraham can be criticised for starting slowly in his fights, and the 29-year-old Armenian-born fighter has given away rounds to lesser boxers. I do think, though, that in some of his middleweight title defences Abraham was pacing himself, knowing that weight-making had compromised his stamina. It wouldn’t surprise me if he lets his hands go a bit sooner against Taylor than, for instance, in his last fight, when he allowed Mahir Oral to race away with the first three rounds.

    I think that Abraham’s ring intelligence is a bit underestimated. He always seems to know exactly what he is doing, and he has so far judged it right when it comes to picking the appropriate stage of the fight in which to begin piling on the pressure.

    Taylor is a skilled boxer with an immaculate left jab but the late rounds have traditionally been treacherous waters for him. The much smaller Kassim Ouma was chasing him around the ring in the closing stages of their fight, while the later rounds were a nightmare for him in the two narrow wins over Bernard Hopkins.

    After almost stopping Kelly Pavlik in their first fight, it did appear that Taylor faded under pressure, to be knocked out in the seventh round.

    In the rematch it was more of the same, with the exception that the return bout went the distance: Pavlik swept the last four rounds on one judge’s card in the encore and won three of the last four on the other two cards.

    All this makes me wonder if Taylor’s problem is a psychological one as much as it is physical. The onset of the late rounds could be like a danger signal flashing in his brain. The saying goes: You can if you think you can. I suppose the reverse of this is: You can’t if you think you can’t.

    Maybe the addition of the nutritionist and the extra work on stamina and leg strength has solved Taylor’s problem, but I wonder. I took note that at one of the press conferences Taylor said he would win “if I don’t get tired”. It is as if a doubt exists.

    Taylor will almost certainly win the early rounds in Berlin. He might, though, find it is more difficult to land clean punches on Abraham than he anticipated. Abraham’s stonewall defence isn’t easy to penetrate, and a fighter can use up energy trying to blast through and around the German boxer’s shield of gloves and arms.

    As ever, Abraham will be looking to open up in heavy-hitting bursts. He surely knows that he cannot let Taylor dictate the course of the fight. I think that Abraham will be picking his punches and looking to hurt Taylor and make him feel anxious in the first half of the fight, then gradually ratchet up his punch output. Taylor has the more polished look but Abraham has excellent hand speed and I think he will be able to land the sort of punches that will take effect.

    It is true that Taylor has fought the higher calibre of opponent, but when a boxer has been stopped in two of his last four fights one wonders if his durability is starting to diminish. We all remember the last-round collapse against Froch, but I believe that the British boxer was starting to hurt Taylor several rounds earlier — unless I’m very much mistaken, the impact of Froch’s blows was causing Taylor’s face to register a degree of concern as early as the sixth round, and I’m expecting Abraham to be making an advance to victory around this stage of the proceedings.

    A boxer of Taylor’s experience and talent always has a chance to win, but I see this as one fight that will follow preconceived notions — early rounds to the American boxer, Abraham catching up with him in the second half of the fight.

    In my preview for Boxing Monthly I picked Abraham by late stoppage, perhaps even in the last round à la Carl Froch. I’m sticking with that: Abraham by TKO in the 11th or 12th round"

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    Guys, I saw this review in Fightwriter. I think Graham sums up the fight absolutely perfectly..
     
    "So near to victory yet so far away against Carl Froch in April, Jermain Taylor faces another strong European fighter on Saturday when he meets Germany’s Arthur Abraham in the first of the eagerly awaited “Super Six” contests in Berlin.

    The 12-rounder will be shown on tape-delay on the Showtime network, followed by live coverage of Carl Froch’s fight with Andre Dirrell.

    These 12-rounders are what boxing should be all about: the best fighters fighting the best, and fans debating the outcome.

    For those unfamiliar with the format, six of the world’s top fighters in the super middleweight division are meeting in a round-robin tournament, each boxer guaranteed three fights. Mikkel Kessler will meet Andre Ward in the third of the opening bouts in the tournament

    First up, though, is Abraham against Taylor, which is expected to get the tournament off to a thrilling and dramatic start.

    Taylor, 31, believes he has found the answer to late-round fades of the type that led to his last-seconds defeat against Froch. He brought a nutritionist on board to monitor his diet and placed extra emphasis on strengthening his legs at his Houston training camp. Naturally, he says he is in the best shape of his life. “All I have to do is be in shape and I can beat anybody,” Taylor said in a phone conversation from Houston shortly before his departure for Germany. “I’ve been losing weight too fast. I haven’t been doing it right. It’s been killing me.”

    His plan for Abraham is to “box him a little bit, fight him a little bit”, he said, adding: “It’s going to be an easy fight.”

    An easy fight for Taylor? That’s not how the German side sees it. “Taylor is a great champion, but he will not beat me in front of my home fans in Berlin,” Abraham told the German media.

    “It will be a special evening. Taylor is a strong opponent, but inside the ring, it is not the stronger boxer who wins but the smarter one. You will find out on October 17.”

    Abraham is moving up from the middleweight division and is seen as the small fighter in the tournament. “Once Arthur has hit them, they will all have problems,” says Abraham’s trainer, Ulli Wegner.

    “In the past my biggest fight was to make weight, but not any more,” Abraham assured a press conference last week. “I’m a happy man being a super middleweight.”

    Abraham has ventured outside of the middleweight division before, of course, when he knocked out Edison Miranda in the fourth round of their rematch 16 months ago in Florida. After biding his time in the first three rounds, Abraham suddenly exploded into action with big left hooks that sent Miranda sprawling for three knockdowns.

    There was a serene confidence about Abraham before that fight. He would just give a knowing smile when Miranda spouted his usual fire-and-brimstone pre-fight declarations. It was as if Abraham knew what was going to happen in the fight. I have this feeling about him as he approaches Saturday’s fight.

    Taylor is seen as the faster, more athletic, classier boxer, which he probably is, and the former middleweight champion from Little Rock, AR, has the height and reach advantages.

    Abraham, though, is a strong, heavy handed, technically sound fighter, and he is undefeated — plus having home ground advantage.

    Also, Abraham is an exceptionally tough fighter, mentally and physically. This was demonstrated when Abraham fought the last eight rounds with a broken jaw in his first meeting with Miranda three years ago in a stirring display of guts and tenacity.

    Abraham can be criticised for starting slowly in his fights, and the 29-year-old Armenian-born fighter has given away rounds to lesser boxers. I do think, though, that in some of his middleweight title defences Abraham was pacing himself, knowing that weight-making had compromised his stamina. It wouldn’t surprise me if he lets his hands go a bit sooner against Taylor than, for instance, in his last fight, when he allowed Mahir Oral to race away with the first three rounds.

    I think that Abraham’s ring intelligence is a bit underestimated. He always seems to know exactly what he is doing, and he has so far judged it right when it comes to picking the appropriate stage of the fight in which to begin piling on the pressure.

    Taylor is a skilled boxer with an immaculate left jab but the late rounds have traditionally been treacherous waters for him. The much smaller Kassim Ouma was chasing him around the ring in the closing stages of their fight, while the later rounds were a nightmare for him in the two narrow wins over Bernard Hopkins.

    After almost stopping Kelly Pavlik in their first fight, it did appear that Taylor faded under pressure, to be knocked out in the seventh round.

    In the rematch it was more of the same, with the exception that the return bout went the distance: Pavlik swept the last four rounds on one judge’s card in the encore and won three of the last four on the other two cards.

    All this makes me wonder if Taylor’s problem is a psychological one as much as it is physical. The onset of the late rounds could be like a danger signal flashing in his brain. The saying goes: You can if you think you can. I suppose the reverse of this is: You can’t if you think you can’t.

    Maybe the addition of the nutritionist and the extra work on stamina and leg strength has solved Taylor’s problem, but I wonder. I took note that at one of the press conferences Taylor said he would win “if I don’t get tired”. It is as if a doubt exists.

    Taylor will almost certainly win the early rounds in Berlin. He might, though, find it is more difficult to land clean punches on Abraham than he anticipated. Abraham’s stonewall defence isn’t easy to penetrate, and a fighter can use up energy trying to blast through and around the German boxer’s shield of gloves and arms.

    As ever, Abraham will be looking to open up in heavy-hitting bursts. He surely knows that he cannot let Taylor dictate the course of the fight. I think that Abraham will be picking his punches and looking to hurt Taylor and make him feel anxious in the first half of the fight, then gradually ratchet up his punch output. Taylor has the more polished look but Abraham has excellent hand speed and I think he will be able to land the sort of punches that will take effect.

    It is true that Taylor has fought the higher calibre of opponent, but when a boxer has been stopped in two of his last four fights one wonders if his durability is starting to diminish. We all remember the last-round collapse against Froch, but I believe that the British boxer was starting to hurt Taylor several rounds earlier — unless I’m very much mistaken, the impact of Froch’s blows was causing Taylor’s face to register a degree of concern as early as the sixth round, and I’m expecting Abraham to be making an advance to victory around this stage of the proceedings.

    A boxer of Taylor’s experience and talent always has a chance to win, but I see this as one fight that will follow preconceived notions — early rounds to the American boxer, Abraham catching up with him in the second half of the fight.

    In my preview for Boxing Monthly I picked Abraham by late stoppage, perhaps even in the last round à la Carl Froch. I’m sticking with that: Abraham by TKO in the 11th or 12th round"

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 12:46 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich the Froch fight starts at 2:00am! My sister lives near Nottingham so at least I have a place to stay! Her kids getting me up at 7am, 3 hours after the fight, to play with their uncie is another matter though!  
     
    I don't think you get beat watching boxing live. Its a hobby of myself and my dad's and an expensive hobby a that, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I hope to see all European super six fights (thats phsically possible) and hope to see Pavlik v Williams as well.
     
    I would love to see Ward v Kessler. Just too far and expensive to travel. I would say the atmosphere will be awesome for that fight. Them Oakland fans tend to be quite vocal.
     
    I am looking forward to watching Froch v Dirrell. The boxing kicks off at 8.3o. Then they show AA and Taylor in the stadium, then move from the undercard at Nottingham and then the fight itself starts at 2 so its a cracking evening to look forard to.
    Trent arena is a cracking little stadium with a great atmosphere.
    I have met Carl Froch on 2 occasions. Really nice guy, very honest and always makes time for fans.


    Mack I think it will be worth the lack of sleep!  One thing I see is on the next post it states Jermaine Taylor will be on tape delay, then LIVE boxing.. so Jermaine is fighting in the afternoon your time? The results will be out of the bag by the time it airs unless we don't come on to see it!

    I don't think  you would want to be in the Oakland area lol, fans in the U.S aren't the same as in Europe, actually to think of it Europe seems to be the place to fight, fans back their man win or lose, and don't start fights like they do here in America and even in Mexico.

    After the Chavez Jr fight against Matt Vanda (which he really lost) the fans started throwing stuff into the ring, anything they had beer cans you name it because the decision was too close for their liking.

    I guess I will have to look for a stream for Taylor fight, I would rather see it live than on tape delay. Would have been nice for them to show both live.. eh  we have two brilliant fights for free... could be worse :)

    Enjoy the fight,
        
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich the Froch fight starts at 2:00am! My sister lives near Nottingham so at least I have a place to stay! Her kids getting me up at 7am, 3 hours after the fight, to play with their uncie is another matter though!  
     
    I don't think you get beat watching boxing live. Its a hobby of myself and my dad's and an expensive hobby a that, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I hope to see all European super six fights (thats phsically possible) and hope to see Pavlik v Williams as well.
     
    I would love to see Ward v Kessler. Just too far and expensive to travel. I would say the atmosphere will be awesome for that fight. Them Oakland fans tend to be quite vocal.
     
    I am looking forward to watching Froch v Dirrell. The boxing kicks off at 8.3o. Then they show AA and Taylor in the stadium, then move from the undercard at Nottingham and then the fight itself starts at 2 so its a cracking evening to look forard to.
    Trent arena is a cracking little stadium with a great atmosphere.
    I have met Carl Froch on 2 occasions. Really nice guy, very honest and always makes time for fans.


    Mack I think it will be worth the lack of sleep!  One thing I see is on the next post it states Jermaine Taylor will be on tape delay, then LIVE boxing.. so Jermaine is fighting in the afternoon your time? The results will be out of the bag by the time it airs unless we don't come on to see it!

    I don't think  you would want to be in the Oakland area lol, fans in the U.S aren't the same as in Europe, actually to think of it Europe seems to be the place to fight, fans back their man win or lose, and don't start fights like they do here in America and even in Mexico.

    After the Chavez Jr fight against Matt Vanda (which he really lost) the fans started throwing stuff into the ring, anything they had beer cans you name it because the decision was too close for their liking.

    I guess I will have to look for a stream for Taylor fight, I would rather see it live than on tape delay. Would have been nice for them to show both live.. eh  we have two brilliant fights for free... could be worse :)

    Enjoy the fight,
        
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Couldn't disagree more Dodger. King Aurthur seems to be seriously underestimated in the States. He is as sound a fighter as they come. He is the kind of fighter that does everything well. He is a slow starter as he is very methodical and it takes him time to suss his opponent out, so Taylor backers might be in a good position after round 4 (If you can bet in-running, AA is a GREAT bet after 4 rounds)
     
    Dodger you seriously want to recommend backing a fighter that's lost 3 of his last 5 fights. That is travelling to fight a major fight for the first time in his career against an undefeated warrior in his hometown in front of fantical (and I do mean fanatical) fans. Jermain is a lot of things but the one thing he aint is a warrior. I have watched fights all over the world. From Vegas to Thailand and all the places in between. Believe me when I tell you, Taylor will NEVER have experienced an atmosphere like he is going to experience Saturday night. AA is a god in Germany and there is NO WAY he loses to a mentally shot fighter on his home patch. It just aint going to happen.   
     
    Guys I urge you NOT to follow this guy as its money down the drain. +250 is anything but a steal, its what Vegas and guys like this poster (who know little about boxing) want you to think.
     
    My advice Parlay Abraham with another bet you like. You won't be sorry.




    WOW, now I dont know anything about boxing? Are you serious?
    To say Jermaine isnt a live dog is dumb.
    This is the best fighter Abe has ever faced by a large margin.
    Abe looked like crap in his last fight..
    You do know Jermain was KO'd by VERY GOOD fighters right?
    You do know Taylor was AHEAD ON THE CARDS when he was KO'd right? dummy
    You do know Abe is 5'9 with mini me arms right?
    You do know being 5'9 is a VERY SMALL SMW right?
    You do know Jermain has the best jab in the tournament right??


    I never said Jermain was gonna come into Germany and dominate Abe for an easy decision.. Abe is tough and nails
    But Jermain is the superior boxer and athlete..
    How do you know he's mentally shot? Because he got KO'd?
    I dont think so.. Jermain is knows this is his last shot, he's gonna be fighting like a man possessed...

    +250 is very good odds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Couldn't disagree more Dodger. King Aurthur seems to be seriously underestimated in the States. He is as sound a fighter as they come. He is the kind of fighter that does everything well. He is a slow starter as he is very methodical and it takes him time to suss his opponent out, so Taylor backers might be in a good position after round 4 (If you can bet in-running, AA is a GREAT bet after 4 rounds)
     
    Dodger you seriously want to recommend backing a fighter that's lost 3 of his last 5 fights. That is travelling to fight a major fight for the first time in his career against an undefeated warrior in his hometown in front of fantical (and I do mean fanatical) fans. Jermain is a lot of things but the one thing he aint is a warrior. I have watched fights all over the world. From Vegas to Thailand and all the places in between. Believe me when I tell you, Taylor will NEVER have experienced an atmosphere like he is going to experience Saturday night. AA is a god in Germany and there is NO WAY he loses to a mentally shot fighter on his home patch. It just aint going to happen.   
     
    Guys I urge you NOT to follow this guy as its money down the drain. +250 is anything but a steal, its what Vegas and guys like this poster (who know little about boxing) want you to think.
     
    My advice Parlay Abraham with another bet you like. You won't be sorry.




    WOW, now I dont know anything about boxing? Are you serious?
    To say Jermaine isnt a live dog is dumb.
    This is the best fighter Abe has ever faced by a large margin.
    Abe looked like crap in his last fight..
    You do know Jermain was KO'd by VERY GOOD fighters right?
    You do know Taylor was AHEAD ON THE CARDS when he was KO'd right? dummy
    You do know Abe is 5'9 with mini me arms right?
    You do know being 5'9 is a VERY SMALL SMW right?
    You do know Jermain has the best jab in the tournament right??


    I never said Jermain was gonna come into Germany and dominate Abe for an easy decision.. Abe is tough and nails
    But Jermain is the superior boxer and athlete..
    How do you know he's mentally shot? Because he got KO'd?
    I dont think so.. Jermain is knows this is his last shot, he's gonna be fighting like a man possessed...

    +250 is very good odds
     
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    And lets talk about Jermains losses..
    They were against Pavlik 6'2 and Froch 6'2
    Abe is a little guy compared to those dudes..

    Froch and Pavlik apply pressure throwing LOTS OF PUNCHES

    Abe doesnt throw volume punches.. Nor does he apply pressure.. He will be getting outboxed CONSISTANTLY in the middle of the ring.
    If Jermain stays off the ropes I dont see Abe being able to do anything besides take jabs in his little turtle shell defense.

    Winky got away with used the turtle shell defense because he has an awesome jab, comes forward constantly and throws a lot of punches.. Some Abe dones NONE OF..


    I just think Abe is in over his head and over matched in this fight..

    People are relying on Abes win coming off of Jermain getting tired..
    Umm okay, what if Jermain doesnt get tired? Then what? Abe loses a decision if he doesnt get KO'd himself which Jermain is capable of.

    +250 is good odds
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    And lets talk about Jermains losses..
    They were against Pavlik 6'2 and Froch 6'2
    Abe is a little guy compared to those dudes..

    Froch and Pavlik apply pressure throwing LOTS OF PUNCHES

    Abe doesnt throw volume punches.. Nor does he apply pressure.. He will be getting outboxed CONSISTANTLY in the middle of the ring.
    If Jermain stays off the ropes I dont see Abe being able to do anything besides take jabs in his little turtle shell defense.

    Winky got away with used the turtle shell defense because he has an awesome jab, comes forward constantly and throws a lot of punches.. Some Abe dones NONE OF..


    I just think Abe is in over his head and over matched in this fight..

    People are relying on Abes win coming off of Jermain getting tired..
    Umm okay, what if Jermain doesnt get tired? Then what? Abe loses a decision if he doesnt get KO'd himself which Jermain is capable of.

    +250 is good odds
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 1:49 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by DodgerBluFitted:





    WOW, now I dont know anything about boxing? Are you serious?
    To say Jermaine isnt a live dog is dumb.
    This is the best fighter Abe has ever faced by a large margin.
    Abe looked like crap in his last fight..
    You do know Jermain was KO'd by VERY GOOD fighters right?
    You do know Taylor was AHEAD ON THE CARDS when he was KO'd right? dummy
    You do know Abe is 5'9 with mini me arms right?
    You do know being 5'9 is a VERY SMALL SMW right?
    You do know Jermain has the best jab in the tournament right??


    I never said Jermain was gonna come into Germany and dominate Abe for an easy decision.. Abe is tough and nails
    But Jermain is the superior boxer and athlete..
    How do you know he's mentally shot? Because he got KO'd?
    I dont think so.. Jermain is knows this is his last shot, he's gonna be fighting like a man possessed...

    +250 is very good odds


    While I agree with some of you said, as you can see per my posts I believe Jermaine has an excellent chance of winning.

    It does baffle me that everyone is not seeing that Abraham is moving UP in weight, if you look at the press meeting Jermaine Towered over him and they looked in different weight classes.

    It also baffles me how people are saying this is such as EASY fight for AA NOT because of Abraham's ability, but because of Jermaine's Fatigue issue, and I guess being in Germany.

    No one has stated where Abraham is stronger, faster, better defense.. or any of that... but I gave up on trying to prove a point. People see what they want to see.  "Perception is reality"

    I just cannot see anyone truly laying 3-1 odds not because they feel AA is better but because of the fatigue issue of Taylor.

    No one has stated one thing boxing wise that AA possesses  besides being "mentally tough" and "durable" (against inferior opponents is very easy).

    That helps in fights big time, but doesn't make you a 3-1 fav. Go with your heart don't let anyone sway you. at 3-1 odds taking is a good value in my OPINION.

    Remember if AA loses and you sway, because of someone else, no one i refunding your money, same goes the other way.

    On a side note not good calling people a DUMMY on the forum, a lot of the discussion was over a few days many on the forum here value each others opinions.

    Mack and I may disagree on this particular fight, but I won't call him a name or he won't call me a name.. it's why it's called betting and also a forum to express opinions and thoughts.

    So for the forums sake lets not call people dummies or any harsh stuff it does NO ONE any good.

    Lets talk about boxing :-) This is a great forum and everyone has good knowledge but  NO ONE is an expert and predict 100% of the time.


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    WOW, now I dont know anything about boxing? Are you serious?
    To say Jermaine isnt a live dog is dumb.
    This is the best fighter Abe has ever faced by a large margin.
    Abe looked like crap in his last fight..
    You do know Jermain was KO'd by VERY GOOD fighters right?
    You do know Taylor was AHEAD ON THE CARDS when he was KO'd right? dummy
    You do know Abe is 5'9 with mini me arms right?
    You do know being 5'9 is a VERY SMALL SMW right?
    You do know Jermain has the best jab in the tournament right??


    I never said Jermain was gonna come into Germany and dominate Abe for an easy decision.. Abe is tough and nails
    But Jermain is the superior boxer and athlete..
    How do you know he's mentally shot? Because he got KO'd?
    I dont think so.. Jermain is knows this is his last shot, he's gonna be fighting like a man possessed...

    +250 is very good odds


    While I agree with some of you said, as you can see per my posts I believe Jermaine has an excellent chance of winning.

    It does baffle me that everyone is not seeing that Abraham is moving UP in weight, if you look at the press meeting Jermaine Towered over him and they looked in different weight classes.

    It also baffles me how people are saying this is such as EASY fight for AA NOT because of Abraham's ability, but because of Jermaine's Fatigue issue, and I guess being in Germany.

    No one has stated where Abraham is stronger, faster, better defense.. or any of that... but I gave up on trying to prove a point. People see what they want to see.  "Perception is reality"

    I just cannot see anyone truly laying 3-1 odds not because they feel AA is better but because of the fatigue issue of Taylor.

    No one has stated one thing boxing wise that AA possesses  besides being "mentally tough" and "durable" (against inferior opponents is very easy).

    That helps in fights big time, but doesn't make you a 3-1 fav. Go with your heart don't let anyone sway you. at 3-1 odds taking is a good value in my OPINION.

    Remember if AA loses and you sway, because of someone else, no one i refunding your money, same goes the other way.

    On a side note not good calling people a DUMMY on the forum, a lot of the discussion was over a few days many on the forum here value each others opinions.

    Mack and I may disagree on this particular fight, but I won't call him a name or he won't call me a name.. it's why it's called betting and also a forum to express opinions and thoughts.

    So for the forums sake lets not call people dummies or any harsh stuff it does NO ONE any good.

    Lets talk about boxing :-) This is a great forum and everyone has good knowledge but  NO ONE is an expert and predict 100% of the time.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 2:26 PM ET #20

    Dodger the fight is tomorrow. Lets see who is right. Well, I know it will be me. Taylor has NO chance of winning this fight..Your throwing away money. Good luck to you
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    Dodger the fight is tomorrow. Lets see who is right. Well, I know it will be me. Taylor has NO chance of winning this fight..Your throwing away money. Good luck to you
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 2:47 PM ET #21

    LOL Mack after I try so hard to get no arguing you throw gasoline on the fire :)

    According to the odds Taylor has a 33.33 % chance at winning this fight lol! :)

    When you say NO chance, you clearly admitted Taylor will probably win the first half of the fight. What if a KO happens in those first 5-6 rounds?

    Remember this is betting, of course many will be confident as they are picking the guy who is a 3-1 favorite in his home town.

    You may very well be correct, and have the winner, but if you're wrong you will look VERY silly LOL because you're picking a 3-1 favorite and writing it's a LOCK. ballsy move, but  you know your stuff :)

    I won't  mind losing $35 or so on Taylor if it happens, to me it will be a $35 lesson that AA is that good.

    If Jermaine wins, I will simply put that money onto the Froch fight, but yet to look at the props for that fight. I know the risks, I will NOT parlay a underdog with stamina issues with my other bets, but I will straight bet Jermaine for a small amount.

    Anyone who bets Jermaine LARGE is asking for many "I told you so" from everyone, but I can see Value in Jermaine for $35 to win $100 for entertainment purposes. Take the $135 and put on the the Froch/Dirrell prop :)

    Right now I'm leaning towards Froch he looks so relaxed and to me has the "IT" factor. Something about him, cannot pinpoint it, I believe he's inside Dirrell's head.

    That isn't a pick it's a lean for now... will need to see more fights of Dirrell (of his past). I know he has been on the canvas before, and from well virtual unknown. Froch may have been on the canvas but it was against Jermaine EARLY.

    Good luck enjoy the fight, I will be watching it on a HDTV while you see it live in person.. with thousands of fans! You make me sick LOL! :)

    Enjoy

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    LOL Mack after I try so hard to get no arguing you throw gasoline on the fire :)

    According to the odds Taylor has a 33.33 % chance at winning this fight lol! :)

    When you say NO chance, you clearly admitted Taylor will probably win the first half of the fight. What if a KO happens in those first 5-6 rounds?

    Remember this is betting, of course many will be confident as they are picking the guy who is a 3-1 favorite in his home town.

    You may very well be correct, and have the winner, but if you're wrong you will look VERY silly LOL because you're picking a 3-1 favorite and writing it's a LOCK. ballsy move, but  you know your stuff :)

    I won't  mind losing $35 or so on Taylor if it happens, to me it will be a $35 lesson that AA is that good.

    If Jermaine wins, I will simply put that money onto the Froch fight, but yet to look at the props for that fight. I know the risks, I will NOT parlay a underdog with stamina issues with my other bets, but I will straight bet Jermaine for a small amount.

    Anyone who bets Jermaine LARGE is asking for many "I told you so" from everyone, but I can see Value in Jermaine for $35 to win $100 for entertainment purposes. Take the $135 and put on the the Froch/Dirrell prop :)

    Right now I'm leaning towards Froch he looks so relaxed and to me has the "IT" factor. Something about him, cannot pinpoint it, I believe he's inside Dirrell's head.

    That isn't a pick it's a lean for now... will need to see more fights of Dirrell (of his past). I know he has been on the canvas before, and from well virtual unknown. Froch may have been on the canvas but it was against Jermaine EARLY.

    Good luck enjoy the fight, I will be watching it on a HDTV while you see it live in person.. with thousands of fans! You make me sick LOL! :)

    Enjoy

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 3:37 PM ET #22

    Rich I am just so sure Taylor is mentally shot and cannot in a fight in hostile terrority against a hard hitting warrior. I am 99.9% certain Taylor does not win and look at my record this year buddy on coovers. Has there been anyone better??
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    Rich I am just so sure Taylor is mentally shot and cannot in a fight in hostile terrority against a hard hitting warrior. I am 99.9% certain Taylor does not win and look at my record this year buddy on coovers. Has there been anyone better??
     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 4:03 PM ET #23

    You've been right most of the time. I truly don't track records, I only follow the fights I think will be good.

    There were a few fights that you got the W on that well the fight didn't pan out how you said it would (That being one of Jermaine's fights against Froch). Yes you got the W but your analysis was OFF.

    Same for Clottey, I believe you liked Cotto, and the fight didn't end up the way you thought, even thought you got the W.

    Other than those two fights I don't think we've disagreed on many, you stood away from the Marquez fight, where as I said Marquez didn't have a prayer. You saw the fight being a lot closer than I did (before it happened).

    Other than 2 fights, we've been on the same page. I don't  bet your picks, I bet on fights *I* believe will win. It does make my bet feel more secure knowing you and I are agreeing on the same fighter as I respect your picks and knowledge.

    I'm willing to lose $35 to see this hard hitting "Warrior" show up. Personally I don't see him as some warrior, warrior has the word WAR in it, I don't recall Abraham being in a WAR, please point me in the right direction, and don't refer to his Broken Jaw and him continuing the fight.



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    You've been right most of the time. I truly don't track records, I only follow the fights I think will be good.

    There were a few fights that you got the W on that well the fight didn't pan out how you said it would (That being one of Jermaine's fights against Froch). Yes you got the W but your analysis was OFF.

    Same for Clottey, I believe you liked Cotto, and the fight didn't end up the way you thought, even thought you got the W.

    Other than those two fights I don't think we've disagreed on many, you stood away from the Marquez fight, where as I said Marquez didn't have a prayer. You saw the fight being a lot closer than I did (before it happened).

    Other than 2 fights, we've been on the same page. I don't  bet your picks, I bet on fights *I* believe will win. It does make my bet feel more secure knowing you and I are agreeing on the same fighter as I respect your picks and knowledge.

    I'm willing to lose $35 to see this hard hitting "Warrior" show up. Personally I don't see him as some warrior, warrior has the word WAR in it, I don't recall Abraham being in a WAR, please point me in the right direction, and don't refer to his Broken Jaw and him continuing the fight.



     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 4:12 PM ET #24

    Rich you called the Clottley fight perfect and I also said he (Clottley) was a Live dog. I don't think Taylor is live at all and I am just doing my best for people not to tail Dodger.  I know he will be bring be wrong and I don't want people that read these forums losing money on what I truly believe to be a totally bum pick. Tomorrow will tell all.
     
    And if you remember on marquez my pick in the end as the fight to go the distance after I chickened out of my original money pick on points. That was poor of me. but the distance odds werent shocking.
     
    I have no doubt this tourney provides shocks. It has to and I will like you look for the value. I just see NO value in Taylor. He should not be in this tournament. He thought Froch was his last chance and even though he dominated the fight he still found a way to lose!
     
    In Germany AA Is near unbeatable from this level of competition. If Dirrell does well Sat night and pushes Froch then I will like him against AA in the states. He would be a live dog. Jermaine is not...
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    Rich you called the Clottley fight perfect and I also said he (Clottley) was a Live dog. I don't think Taylor is live at all and I am just doing my best for people not to tail Dodger.  I know he will be bring be wrong and I don't want people that read these forums losing money on what I truly believe to be a totally bum pick. Tomorrow will tell all.
     
    And if you remember on marquez my pick in the end as the fight to go the distance after I chickened out of my original money pick on points. That was poor of me. but the distance odds werent shocking.
     
    I have no doubt this tourney provides shocks. It has to and I will like you look for the value. I just see NO value in Taylor. He should not be in this tournament. He thought Froch was his last chance and even though he dominated the fight he still found a way to lose!
     
    In Germany AA Is near unbeatable from this level of competition. If Dirrell does well Sat night and pushes Froch then I will like him against AA in the states. He would be a live dog. Jermaine is not...
     
     
    nuttyrich
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2009 - 4:36 PM ET #25

    Yes the Marquez fight baffled me, because I was so strong on Mayweather, and figured you would be on the same side being such an apparent mismatch.

    I don't think people will tail Dodger, it will be hard to remove Jermaine's two failures by simple writing lol.

    Thanks for clearly explaining why you chose AA.

    I agree maybe Jermaine doesn't belong there, but one has to agree before the stamina zaps Jermaine... he looks unbeatable.. I would prefer Jermaine there than Allan Green.

    Jermaine is like the missing link, yes he should lose, but clearly evident Jermaine has mental issues, and like all mental issues you just NEVER know. Jermaine's problem is not skill/power or loss of anything besides confidence and stamina.. (which go hand in hand).

    I believe Jermaine belongs here in the last  spot  (6) because no other fighter can bring such talent and athleticism  into the ring, and throw it away with 12 seconds left :) LOL

    I truly believe Jermaine fits in this 6 spot, over Allen Green as Edison Miranda BEAT Allan Green.. and I don't buy Allan Green's excuse of his colon.

    In fact he fought what two weeks ago bitching about how he belongs in the super six and stunk up the joint only proving he didn't belong in there.


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    Yes the Marquez fight baffled me, because I was so strong on Mayweather, and figured you would be on the same side being such an apparent mismatch.

    I don't think people will tail Dodger, it will be hard to remove Jermaine's two failures by simple writing lol.

    Thanks for clearly explaining why you chose AA.

    I agree maybe Jermaine doesn't belong there, but one has to agree before the stamina zaps Jermaine... he looks unbeatable.. I would prefer Jermaine there than Allan Green.

    Jermaine is like the missing link, yes he should lose, but clearly evident Jermaine has mental issues, and like all mental issues you just NEVER know. Jermaine's problem is not skill/power or loss of anything besides confidence and stamina.. (which go hand in hand).

    I believe Jermaine belongs here in the last  spot  (6) because no other fighter can bring such talent and athleticism  into the ring, and throw it away with 12 seconds left :) LOL

    I truly believe Jermaine fits in this 6 spot, over Allen Green as Edison Miranda BEAT Allan Green.. and I don't buy Allan Green's excuse of his colon.

    In fact he fought what two weeks ago bitching about how he belongs in the super six and stunk up the joint only proving he didn't belong in there.


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