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    Coweringbeef
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    Posted: May. 20, 2009 - 11:34 AM ET #26

    It appears the fight is at 147lbs.

     

    Heart of a Lion or not, at 147 I don’t see JMM having a chance.

     

    JMM should back out in protest.

     

    Floyd Shameweather.

    I dunno how he can hold that air about himself fighting little guys.

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    It appears the fight is at 147lbs.

     

    Heart of a Lion or not, at 147 I don’t see JMM having a chance.

     

    JMM should back out in protest.

     

    Floyd Shameweather.

    I dunno how he can hold that air about himself fighting little guys.

     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2009 - 1:00 PM ET #27

    Fight is at 143 ctachweight
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    Fight is at 143 ctachweight
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2009 - 1:01 PM ET #28

    Fight is at 143 catchweight
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    Fight is at 143 catchweight
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2009 - 3:48 PM ET #29

    It's at 147.
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    It's at 147.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2009 - 3:50 PM ET #30

    https://www.ringtv.com/blog/682/marquezs_disadvantages_are_increasing/
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    https://www.ringtv.com/blog/682/marquezs_disadvantages_are_increasing/
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2009 - 8:46 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Fight is at 143 ctachweight


    143 still wouldn't be a catch weight for Marquez since he only fought twice at 135 and didn't look that good.

    Too bad it's at 147 but regardless of 143 or 147, it's too much weight for Marquez to carry.

    I know he said he was going to eat well and put on natural weight not sloppy weight, but there is no denying 130 is when JMM is at his best. Given his age and slowing down a bit, at 135 he looked "decent". In both fights he had ways to win, against Casamayor he had an aging fighter who has been decked many times.

    Against Diaz he had a fighter who couldn't punch or adjust and needed a great KO to win, and he did! I believe he's maxed himself out at 135.

    I don't there is one boxing fan that wishes for Marquez to lose, or deny he's a great fighter, but even at 143 he will be ripped apart and 147 just makes it even worse!

    I applaud him for fighting the best but fight the best at your weight not the other persons weight. Too many weight classes is too much to ask of anyone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Fight is at 143 ctachweight


    143 still wouldn't be a catch weight for Marquez since he only fought twice at 135 and didn't look that good.

    Too bad it's at 147 but regardless of 143 or 147, it's too much weight for Marquez to carry.

    I know he said he was going to eat well and put on natural weight not sloppy weight, but there is no denying 130 is when JMM is at his best. Given his age and slowing down a bit, at 135 he looked "decent". In both fights he had ways to win, against Casamayor he had an aging fighter who has been decked many times.

    Against Diaz he had a fighter who couldn't punch or adjust and needed a great KO to win, and he did! I believe he's maxed himself out at 135.

    I don't there is one boxing fan that wishes for Marquez to lose, or deny he's a great fighter, but even at 143 he will be ripped apart and 147 just makes it even worse!

    I applaud him for fighting the best but fight the best at your weight not the other persons weight. Too many weight classes is too much to ask of anyone.


     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2009 - 9:33 AM ET #32

    For the first time JMM will face an opponent with significantly more reach.

     

    For the first time JMM will face an opponent with more handspeed.

     

    For the first time JMM will fight at Welterweight, probably outweighed by 10lbs on the day.

     

    Not only that but his opponent will be someone who uses reach and handspeed to the fullest and is experienced at the hit and run routine, a very capable puncher moving backwards.

     

    For those who think Floyd just can’t adjust, or that he comes with no plan B, rewatch his fight versus Zab Judah. In that fight, Floyd altered his guard and decided to blitz Zab on the inside. Both men are good at adjustments and if JMM comes in with the perfect strategy, he will only benefit two rounds before Floyd and his corner adjust to it.

     

    Just by looking at JMM lately, he doesn’t seem to have undergone the human growth hormone program like Pacman did. His hulkification just won’t be the same. His head will not swell up like a balloon and his chin, which was never great, won’t get better. I can imagine Floyd just jabbing his way to a late TKO.

     

    Hatton, an optimised roughhouser couldn’t make an impression on the inside so how can JMM? And on the outside, Floyd has looked unbeatable throughout his career. JMM is, I imagine, going to try for extended exchanges in the pocket, a rather dangerous position to maintain over 12 rounds with a much bigger man.

     

    JMM had some extended exchanges with Barerra and took a lot of hits against someone with no special handspeed or power. If he gets hit like that by “Philthy Rich”, it will be lights out.

     

    For the Mexican, the facts really do stare.

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    For the first time JMM will face an opponent with significantly more reach.

     

    For the first time JMM will face an opponent with more handspeed.

     

    For the first time JMM will fight at Welterweight, probably outweighed by 10lbs on the day.

     

    Not only that but his opponent will be someone who uses reach and handspeed to the fullest and is experienced at the hit and run routine, a very capable puncher moving backwards.

     

    For those who think Floyd just can’t adjust, or that he comes with no plan B, rewatch his fight versus Zab Judah. In that fight, Floyd altered his guard and decided to blitz Zab on the inside. Both men are good at adjustments and if JMM comes in with the perfect strategy, he will only benefit two rounds before Floyd and his corner adjust to it.

     

    Just by looking at JMM lately, he doesn’t seem to have undergone the human growth hormone program like Pacman did. His hulkification just won’t be the same. His head will not swell up like a balloon and his chin, which was never great, won’t get better. I can imagine Floyd just jabbing his way to a late TKO.

     

    Hatton, an optimised roughhouser couldn’t make an impression on the inside so how can JMM? And on the outside, Floyd has looked unbeatable throughout his career. JMM is, I imagine, going to try for extended exchanges in the pocket, a rather dangerous position to maintain over 12 rounds with a much bigger man.

     

    JMM had some extended exchanges with Barerra and took a lot of hits against someone with no special handspeed or power. If he gets hit like that by “Philthy Rich”, it will be lights out.

     

    For the Mexican, the facts really do stare.

     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2009 - 12:20 PM ET #33

    JMM would probably need to throw a couple of head butts and elbows to even the fight.
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    JMM would probably need to throw a couple of head butts and elbows to even the fight.
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2009 - 10:41 AM ET #34

    this fight is illogical at 143 lbs but at  147 lbs is just plain insanity.I cant seem to understand why would marquez accept such terms,As i have said before i have high respect for marquez at 130 lbs but at 147 lbs oh my .Is marquez dellusional to think he can beat mayweather at 147 lbsm
    mayweather shame on you for picking a figth wih a small fighter,Why not pick someone your own size.this figth only proves mayweather is a sissy because he is avotding suitable opponents,
    By the way due to the large disparsity in this figth marquez could be hurt real bad or worse could die ,The question is who will take the blame
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    this fight is illogical at 143 lbs but at  147 lbs is just plain insanity.I cant seem to understand why would marquez accept such terms,As i have said before i have high respect for marquez at 130 lbs but at 147 lbs oh my .Is marquez dellusional to think he can beat mayweather at 147 lbsm
    mayweather shame on you for picking a figth wih a small fighter,Why not pick someone your own size.this figth only proves mayweather is a sissy because he is avotding suitable opponents,
    By the way due to the large disparsity in this figth marquez could be hurt real bad or worse could die ,The question is who will take the blame
     
     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2009 - 11:03 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by dacaw:

    this fight is illogical at 143 lbs but at  147 lbs is just plain insanity.I cant seem to understand why would marquez accept such terms,As i have said before i have high respect for marquez at 130 lbs but at 147 lbs oh my .Is marquez dellusional to think he can beat mayweather at 147 lbsm
    mayweather shame on you for picking a figth wih a small fighter,Why not pick someone your own size.this figth only proves mayweather is a sissy because he is avotding suitable opponents,
    By the way due to the large disparsity in this figth marquez could be hurt real bad or worse could die ,The question is who will take the blame


    I think it's more of a chess game than anything else. I agree I'm worried about Marquez being too brave and going out like a warrior, then again he knows the danger.

    I say chess game because Pac-man took Hatton when everyone knew Hatton was a BUM, and dispensed Hatton quicker than Mayweather did. The again Hatton was  better back then and undefeated and hungrier.

    Only makes sense to go after the one guy who could possibly own two wins against Pac-man (Marquez), so dismantling Marquez will force a fight with Pac-Man.

    Pac-man did NO better by fighting a drunk bar fighter in Ricky Hatton.

    Is Marquez Delusional? NO he will make more from this one fight than he will in probably all of his fights combined. May Weather will break him down and KO him. I don't think death is in Marquezs cards but I do agree he can be seriously hurt and he's given so much to boxing he deserves this one last payday.

     Mayweather should have fought someone else, as a tune up, but MONEY talks in boxing, can't blame Marquez or May Weather for doing this.

    Let's just  pray Marquez cannot take Floyd's Counter Punches and goes down quickly than take a brutal beating. I agree this is a fight that should NOT have been made, but the PUBLIC had made this possible.

    We allowed Pac-man to fight Hatton, and people actually TAKING Hatton and giving him a SERIOUS chance, of people can do that then .. Marquez deserves a shot also, even with the weight disadvantage.

    If you look at the under card, they are just spitting in our face while fans continue to buy Garbage PPV's with HORRIBLE undercards!

    Next week HBO has an amazing card, that will be action packed for FREE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacaw:

    this fight is illogical at 143 lbs but at  147 lbs is just plain insanity.I cant seem to understand why would marquez accept such terms,As i have said before i have high respect for marquez at 130 lbs but at 147 lbs oh my .Is marquez dellusional to think he can beat mayweather at 147 lbsm
    mayweather shame on you for picking a figth wih a small fighter,Why not pick someone your own size.this figth only proves mayweather is a sissy because he is avotding suitable opponents,
    By the way due to the large disparsity in this figth marquez could be hurt real bad or worse could die ,The question is who will take the blame


    I think it's more of a chess game than anything else. I agree I'm worried about Marquez being too brave and going out like a warrior, then again he knows the danger.

    I say chess game because Pac-man took Hatton when everyone knew Hatton was a BUM, and dispensed Hatton quicker than Mayweather did. The again Hatton was  better back then and undefeated and hungrier.

    Only makes sense to go after the one guy who could possibly own two wins against Pac-man (Marquez), so dismantling Marquez will force a fight with Pac-Man.

    Pac-man did NO better by fighting a drunk bar fighter in Ricky Hatton.

    Is Marquez Delusional? NO he will make more from this one fight than he will in probably all of his fights combined. May Weather will break him down and KO him. I don't think death is in Marquezs cards but I do agree he can be seriously hurt and he's given so much to boxing he deserves this one last payday.

     Mayweather should have fought someone else, as a tune up, but MONEY talks in boxing, can't blame Marquez or May Weather for doing this.

    Let's just  pray Marquez cannot take Floyd's Counter Punches and goes down quickly than take a brutal beating. I agree this is a fight that should NOT have been made, but the PUBLIC had made this possible.

    We allowed Pac-man to fight Hatton, and people actually TAKING Hatton and giving him a SERIOUS chance, of people can do that then .. Marquez deserves a shot also, even with the weight disadvantage.

    If you look at the under card, they are just spitting in our face while fans continue to buy Garbage PPV's with HORRIBLE undercards!

    Next week HBO has an amazing card, that will be action packed for FREE!
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