Haye v Wlad its ON!

Finally the fight has been signed. I have already taken the -200 on Wlad and if the price goes lower I will plough in again.

Can Haye win here. He actually can. The one thing I will say about the guy is that he has a monsterous punch (with both hands) and has by far the quickest hand speed in the division. Also, the guy is one of the best trash talkers in the business. If he gets inside Wlad's head he may get Wlad to fight and go away from his gameplan (we have all seen this before with other big fights). If Haye connects with a bomb early doors, Wlad will go down. Haye hits far harder then Saunders or Brewster. That is a BIG if though.

I see this fight playing out right into Wlad's hands. The pressure on both fighters will be immense. After all the waiting all the hype I think both men will be effected by it all. I expect the first 1-6 rounds to be very similiar to Haye v Harrison. Very little action with Wlad winning all the rounds off the back of his jab. Haye is perfect for Wlad in that he has serious conditioning problems (always has). He can't fight for 3 minutes of every round. Therefore he won't be applying enough pressure to make Wlad uncomfortable at any stage of the fight.

I think entering the second half of the fight, Haye will need a knockout and he will start to get wreckless. Once this happens, I think then Wlad can get the KO as Haye has no chin. If Wlad can keep out of the trash talking, fight safety first and avoid getting tagged (which he should be able to do) I think this sould be an easy nights work for Wlad. Haye is not a bad fighter. Indeed he is a great Cruiserweight, but fighting in Germany against a huge man with great boxing fundamentals I think Haye is well out of his depth here and has bitten off more then he could chew.

If Haye wasn't British or undisputed Cruiserweight champ or not as charismatic you would not be getting -200 on Wlad. On paper this looks to me a mismatch with Haye's only chance landing a bomb. Wlad will know this and Haye will be punching either fresh air or Wlad's gloves all night long..

Love this play and feel the books have priced this fight up wrong..

Wlad -200 all the way to the bank

If this fight happens, I agree with you.  I like Wlad a lot.  That being said, this fight was signed once before.....

It's going to happen Danno. There is no other real option for either fighter and the money they will make will set them up for life. Haye is a clever guy. Wins a title, makes some easy defenses where he is under no real threat. Makes a few million, all the while letting the Wlad hype build..He got himself a 50/50 split.

He pulled out before because Setanta sports his backers went bust, plus he wasn't getting anywhere near 50/50..The fight will happen for sure now..

 

I think many will be surprised when (finally a fighter with speed) exposes the big mans limited all around boxing skills. Haye won't be laying back,waiting to get jabbed to death. If & when Haye backs Wlad up..He'll knock him out. As for this being an easy fight for Wlad...... Please think again..

What book has odds posted for this fight?

  limited boxing skills, are you crazy man, wladimir is one of the best fighters in the world, this is a mismatch of huge proportions, they way to beat a fighter with good handspeed is with the jab, and klitschko has one of the best in the history of the heavyweight division. wladimir dominates every min. for as long as it goes. he said that he will punish haye and then ko him late, a mad and motivated klitschko, will dispose of this overhyped, big mouth, this is a mismatch, I will bet the house on klitschko

All I know is there is one prop I will be taking "Fight NOT to go the distance" when it does come up!

Now comes rumors that Vitali may step in to face Haye instead
Good grief

Ghost this looks a classic setup. If Wlad has sense he SHOULD let Big brother do the work. He matches up way better against Adamek who would pose no problem for him whatsoever.

Wlad, I believe as I said above will probably beat Haye but Vitali matches up against Haye so much better. With Wlad's jaw there is always a chance he gets caught.Vitali has a cast iron jaw. Not only that Haye's thrash talking will be wasted on Vitali. He will systematically take Haye apart. A mismatch of epic proportions.

I hope Vitali gets it..I will murder the -250 to -300 that will come out..

Classic Indeed 

The old bait and switch !

 

Mismatch?? We will soon see. I'm not sure I understand you're point about a good jab stopping hand speed. A good jab controls distance & sets up many opportunities for your offence. But stopping hand speed??. I'm sorry...I don't get it. The Klitschko brothers shine against stationary, slow footed opponents who stand right in front of them & allow themselves to be backed up & jabbed to death. After all.. they are built like cyborg giants. Haye will not allow Wlad to dictate the space & flow of the fight. He'll move & use his speed to throw off the big man timing IMOP. As soon as he gets Wlad backing up.. it will be a a whole new ball-game. Speed enhances power & as far as that is concerned... that area is no contest. Haye's- so called stamina problem  is  a.much overblown issue. One last thing, I hope your not serious about calling either Klitschko brother the "best in the history of the heavyweight division" I wouldn't even rate them in the top 20. Like Goliath .... on fight night Klitchko goes tumbling down.

First off I said that wladimir has one of the greatest jabs in heavyweight history, I did not call him the best fighter in the history of the division, you said that you do not understand how a good jab can controll a fight against a fighter with great speed, just watch a tape of vernon forrest vs shane mosley, especially the first fight then you will understand what I  mean. david haye is the most overrated guy out their, he had a shakey chin as a cruiserweight for fuck sakes, the only problem that wladimir has in this one is that he said he will punish haye and then ko him late, I don't see any way that it could even go into the later rounds, the only way it goes that long is if wladimir only uses the jab because once he starts letting the power punches go it's over for the overhyped haye. I think that this fight will resemble sonny liston vs eddie machen, the only difference is that this one won't go the distance

I stand corrected... you did say (greatest jabs in the heavyweight division) but I still disagree. Watch tapes of Larry Holmes if you want to see a heavyweight with a Great jab. As for your analysis of Forest-Mosley, I don't think it was solely the jab that gave Mosley trouble. Styles make fights & Forest's style of boxing & reach advantage was the keys to his victories lmo. Mosley could never get inside to use his hand-speed. HAYE has the perfect style to beat either Klitchko brother. WLAD has beaten up on a bunch of over the hill stiffs When was the last time he fought anyone with with Haye's hand and foot speed? I know I'll be on HAYE to KO the big giant. I guess we'll have to wait to see who's right but.....Don't bet the house!

liston, holmes, lewis, louis and ali, all had better jabs than wladimir ,but it's among the best, of them all I would say that liston had the best, liston moved forward ponderously and most of the time threw one jab at a time and kept guys off of him, that's because it was a battering ram, he would break your nose,your cheek bone,really bust you up with it, it was a monster and the reason that mosley couldn't get inside and use his handspeed was because of forrest's educated jab, you asked when the last time wladimir fought a guy with hayes hand and foot speed, remember chris byrd, we all know what happend in those fights, different fighters completly but byrd is faster in both catagorys  and their size is very similar. at this point in order for a smaller guy to beat wladimir he would have to have  a high punch rate,solid defence and a world class chin, haye has bad defence and a weak chin. haye is the most overrated guy in the sport and soon you will see what I already know.

My opinion hasn't changed on this guys. Even if Haye lands a bomb and wins this fight the -175 on Wlad is a spectacular price. He is the home fighter, fought the WAY higher calibre of opponent, Much bigger and stronger and I feel he will handle Haye's speed..If Wlad even half connects with a right hand, Haye is going to sleep. You want to give me -175 on that! I would price this -300/-350. Haye getting WAY to much respect, mainly because of his mouth..

I enjoyed the Faceoff -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lDZhnxAwS0

Haye wanted this fight to make big money and as a business man he has played a stormer. But I feel he is in deep water here and deep down he knows it. Haye doesn't have the stamina to make Wlad uncomfortable. He will be throwing the odd bombs, but wlad is a great technician and the chances of Haye landing flush are remote in my opinion

Haye posted this on twitter...He is seriously annoying the sh!!%%& out of wlad lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMIR-7LifIs

Wlad is climbing , now -200 at 5Dimes 

I agree with Mack. To be honest, I'm expecting a spectacular beatdown by Wlad. Haye is nothing more than a current Calvin Brock, except he actually made it personal. 

I tell you Walk the more I see of this buildup the more confident I am on Wlad. Haye to me is just trying to make as much money as he can. He is doing a mega job on selling this fight. I think in his heart, he knows he only has a punchers chance against Wlad.

You look at Hayes last 3 opponents. Audley Harrison the biggest fraud in heavyweight history. John Ruiz who was so far past his sell by date that if he were a yoghurt there would have been trees growing out of him and Valuev has was beaten by a 47 year old Evander Holyfield.

Now he has to fight a former Olympic gold medalist. One of the most naturally gifted athletes of his generation. A gifted technican with superb boxing fundamentals in his own back yard. Even if it loses -175 is a great bet. Haye has a punchers chance. No more no less.

Hayes mouth is getting us this price! Wlad will shut him up permantently on Saturday..Booth will have towel in hand. Wait and see..

I havent lost a big fight in about 4 months.  I dont expect it to happen here either.  I'm also on Wlad.  I think he'll withstand some anxious moments and take care of business between rds 7-12 or very safely jab his way home over 12 rds - depending how daring he chooses to be, which probably isn't too daring.

So playing on Wlad -142 by UD/KO/DQ, and also Wlad in 7-12 at +290 and by UD at +500.

Mack05,

Your analysis is spot-on.  I don't see too much difficulty for Wlad in winning this fight.  He's in Germany, he'll have the crowd behind him and I expect him to stay very focused and composed in the first couple of rounds.  After that, it should be just a steady beat-down.  I would expect Klitchko to knock him out in the later rounds of this one. 

Either way, great value here on the Champ!

Good luck!

I'm on the wlad train as well. haye's mouth has made this a low line, not his skills.

The guy is tweeting on the morning of the biggest fight of his life. You can't be serious. I know a few people on this site fought as amateurs. The last thing on my mind on the morning of a tournament would be tweeting about my bloody breakfast. I think Haye is going to get brutally exposed tonight. Another overhyped overrated Brit. I love the English, they keep producing these overhyped clowns and I keep making money on them. When Amir Khan steps up to P4P class, watch him get exposed as well.

going to play also Wlad in the 5th  +2200! Why noy :-)