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    Guys please don't bet on Ortiz this weekend

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    walktheline
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 5:51 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Qncyk1:

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    LOL at people betting the under in this fight.  Thats like calling for a Hopkins win by KO.  Use your brains, this is a Floyd fight.  Defense first, second, third.  He doesnt take chances - ever.  Not saying the under is impossible but barring a cut it's highly unlikely.  The 2 guys hes stopped in the last 7 yrs were runt midgets Sharmba Mitchell and Ricky Hatton.  Hatton fought 2 fights at 147 in his career - Floyd and Collazo and looked horrible in both, not a coincidence, dude was a lightweight fighter.  That KO of Hatton means nothing, Ortiz is a big welter who has faced bigger punchers and more aggressive guys than Floyd.

    Floyd by any decision -130 is the play.  Dont overthink it, just do it.  If you must have a hedge play on Floyd in Rd 10-12 at +950.
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    i had pbf/mosely over and thought that pbf could have ko'd mosely if he wanted to, which he didnt. difference between mosely and ortiz is ortiz is going to bring it the entire fight which can leave him open to counters and continued punishment something that mosely elected not to do by going into survival mode.

    oritz was also badly cut against maidana.

    ortiz is not afraid of going out on his shield and on mexican independence day weekend i think that he will be honored to do so.

    caliente.com.mx is offering individual rounds 9-12 at 66-1 and round 8 at 50-1, esentially 12-1 odds.


    It's know where near 12-1 odds. Your math determining your odds is incorrect. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qncyk1:

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    LOL at people betting the under in this fight.  Thats like calling for a Hopkins win by KO.  Use your brains, this is a Floyd fight.  Defense first, second, third.  He doesnt take chances - ever.  Not saying the under is impossible but barring a cut it's highly unlikely.  The 2 guys hes stopped in the last 7 yrs were runt midgets Sharmba Mitchell and Ricky Hatton.  Hatton fought 2 fights at 147 in his career - Floyd and Collazo and looked horrible in both, not a coincidence, dude was a lightweight fighter.  That KO of Hatton means nothing, Ortiz is a big welter who has faced bigger punchers and more aggressive guys than Floyd.

    Floyd by any decision -130 is the play.  Dont overthink it, just do it.  If you must have a hedge play on Floyd in Rd 10-12 at +950.
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    i had pbf/mosely over and thought that pbf could have ko'd mosely if he wanted to, which he didnt. difference between mosely and ortiz is ortiz is going to bring it the entire fight which can leave him open to counters and continued punishment something that mosely elected not to do by going into survival mode.

    oritz was also badly cut against maidana.

    ortiz is not afraid of going out on his shield and on mexican independence day weekend i think that he will be honored to do so.

    caliente.com.mx is offering individual rounds 9-12 at 66-1 and round 8 at 50-1, esentially 12-1 odds.


    It's know where near 12-1 odds. Your math determining your odds is incorrect. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 6:01 PM ET #27

    Mayweather may taste Ortiz's power, but he will adjust and shrug it off.  Floyd is going to dance around this tough kid and possibly floor him or get the TKO
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    Mayweather may taste Ortiz's power, but he will adjust and shrug it off.  Floyd is going to dance around this tough kid and possibly floor him or get the TKO
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 6:28 PM ET #28

    i fucking hate maywether i just playing a small tiny bet here, while a cheer for mayweathers downfall

     Props Fighting  221 Ortiz wins by KO-TKO-DQ +694* vs Any other result 

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    i fucking hate maywether i just playing a small tiny bet here, while a cheer for mayweathers downfall

     Props Fighting  221 Ortiz wins by KO-TKO-DQ +694* vs Any other result 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 6:29 PM ET #29

    $14.41 pays $100 bet purely for my excitment
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    $14.41 pays $100 bet purely for my excitment
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 7:22 PM ET #30

    Floyd should win but don't completely discount Ortiz's size, speed & power. I don't see a cakewalk, Floyd can have some troubles with southpaws & tends to be more open for their punches. Not calling the upset, but looking forward to a long tough fight that probably goes the distance.
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    Floyd should win but don't completely discount Ortiz's size, speed & power. I don't see a cakewalk, Floyd can have some troubles with southpaws & tends to be more open for their punches. Not calling the upset, but looking forward to a long tough fight that probably goes the distance.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 8:05 PM ET #31

    The line is dropping can someone explain this. ?

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    The line is dropping can someone explain this. ?

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 8:28 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    It's know where near 12-1 odds. Your math determining your odds is incorrect. 

    $10.00 on each round = $50.00 total investment

    pbf wins in either 8-12 round you return 66x $10.00 investment = $660.00

    $50.00 investment to win $660= 12.5 to 1 odds.

    what did you come up with?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:


    It's know where near 12-1 odds. Your math determining your odds is incorrect. 

    $10.00 on each round = $50.00 total investment

    pbf wins in either 8-12 round you return 66x $10.00 investment = $660.00

    $50.00 investment to win $660= 12.5 to 1 odds.

    what did you come up with?

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 10:18 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    I guess no one watched the Berto fight. 

    AND... does Mayweather hit anywhere near as hard as Maidana?

    Maidana made a guy quit, so he will against Mayweather too? 

    Money is the best counter puncher probably in our era of boxing. Money doesnt need the power to knock you out...he will hit you with a flash punch that discombobulates you and then stop you. Either way Floyd will not trade shots with Ortiz because he can easily outclass him and work for points. Berto HAD to go to war with Ortiz because he could not outclass him.

    There is a Difference and Floyd will show this tonight. Look for Floyd to use plenty of rabbit puches, elbow thrusts when they clinched and for him to turn Ortiz as much as possible and work the body. If Ortiz tries to make this an inside fight...he will get embarrassed. But he doesnt have the skill to fight from the outside and work his jab so he will get schooled in the sweet science of boxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoDanger:

    I guess no one watched the Berto fight. 

    AND... does Mayweather hit anywhere near as hard as Maidana?

    Maidana made a guy quit, so he will against Mayweather too? 

    Money is the best counter puncher probably in our era of boxing. Money doesnt need the power to knock you out...he will hit you with a flash punch that discombobulates you and then stop you. Either way Floyd will not trade shots with Ortiz because he can easily outclass him and work for points. Berto HAD to go to war with Ortiz because he could not outclass him.

    There is a Difference and Floyd will show this tonight. Look for Floyd to use plenty of rabbit puches, elbow thrusts when they clinched and for him to turn Ortiz as much as possible and work the body. If Ortiz tries to make this an inside fight...he will get embarrassed. But he doesnt have the skill to fight from the outside and work his jab so he will get schooled in the sweet science of boxing.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 10:20 PM ET #34

    Ortiz 164 pounds tonight. Floyd 150.
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    Ortiz 164 pounds tonight. Floyd 150.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2011 - 10:40 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Ortiz 164 pounds tonight. Floyd 150.

    No suprise at all. Ortiz walks around at 170 when he's not training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Ortiz 164 pounds tonight. Floyd 150.

    No suprise at all. Ortiz walks around at 170 when he's not training.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 8:11 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:

    +500 or +8000, you're just e

    The real question is whether Mayweather can STOP Ortiz @ +220.  Possible corner stoppage if the young lion is receiving th punishment of a lifetime?    Just can't see Ortiz's people allow him to go a full 12 rounds if he's clearly behind on the cards...It's his first real tough fight and there is NO DOUBT that Victor will be fighting another Wold Championship fight within the year

    Opinions?



    They didn't listen to you, stinkin Ortiz was pounded at several books
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:

    +500 or +8000, you're just e

    The real question is whether Mayweather can STOP Ortiz @ +220.  Possible corner stoppage if the young lion is receiving th punishment of a lifetime?    Just can't see Ortiz's people allow him to go a full 12 rounds if he's clearly behind on the cards...It's his first real tough fight and there is NO DOUBT that Victor will be fighting another Wold Championship fight within the year

    Opinions?



    They didn't listen to you, stinkin Ortiz was pounded at several books
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 11:02 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:

    +500 or +8000, you're just e

    The real question is whether Mayweather can STOP Ortiz @ +220.  Possible corner stoppage if the young lion is receiving th punishment of a lifetime?    Just can't see Ortiz's people allow him to go a full 12 rounds if he's clearly behind on the cards...It's his first real tough fight and there is NO DOUBT that Victor will be fighting another Wold Championship fight within the year

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    nice call on the fight. i had pbf at 12-1 odds winning the fight in rounds 8-12.

    ortiz was on his way to a beatdown ad headbutted his way out of it.

    ortiz wasnt even close. two different levels. he wasnt as bad as gatti but wasnt even as good as baldomir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricLinny:

    +500 or +8000, you're just e

    The real question is whether Mayweather can STOP Ortiz @ +220.  Possible corner stoppage if the young lion is receiving th punishment of a lifetime?    Just can't see Ortiz's people allow him to go a full 12 rounds if he's clearly behind on the cards...It's his first real tough fight and there is NO DOUBT that Victor will be fighting another Wold Championship fight within the year

    Opinions?

     

    nice call on the fight. i had pbf at 12-1 odds winning the fight in rounds 8-12.

    ortiz was on his way to a beatdown ad headbutted his way out of it.

    ortiz wasnt even close. two different levels. he wasnt as bad as gatti but wasnt even as good as baldomir.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2011 - 4:03 PM ET #38

    Pretty much right on with that prediction

    Shady fight to say the least..
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    Pretty much right on with that prediction

    Shady fight to say the least..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2011 - 1:11 AM ET #39

    Congrats to those who cashed on. 

    Always good when were on the same side Eric. 

    Wish I put more on the fight but had my sons birthday and was super busy!

    Glad everyone got LINKS for the fight, thanks to those who provided extra links the more the better!

    See you guys SOON!
                    
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    Congrats to those who cashed on. 

    Always good when were on the same side Eric. 

    Wish I put more on the fight but had my sons birthday and was super busy!

    Glad everyone got LINKS for the fight, thanks to those who provided extra links the more the better!

    See you guys SOON!
                    
     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2011 - 11:40 AM ET #40

    Quote Originally Posted by SawLo:

    Ortiz has shown a history to go down against much weaker opposition. There should be at least 1 or two flash knockdowns.  The one that knocks you down is usually the one you don't see coming. 



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    Quote Originally Posted by SawLo:

    Ortiz has shown a history to go down against much weaker opposition. There should be at least 1 or two flash knockdowns.  The one that knocks you down is usually the one you don't see coming. 



     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 21, 2011 - 11:56 AM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    LOL at people betting the under in this fight.  Thats like calling for a Hopkins win by KO.  Use your brains, this is a Floyd fight.  Defense first, second, third.  He doesnt take chances - ever.  Not saying the under is impossible but barring a cut it's highly unlikely.  The 2 guys hes stopped in the last 7 yrs were runt midgets Sharmba Mitchell and Ricky Hatton.  Hatton fought 2 fights at 147 in his career - Floyd and Collazo and looked horrible in both, not a coincidence, dude was a lightweight fighter.  That KO of Hatton means nothing, Ortiz is a big welter who has faced bigger punchers and more aggressive guys than Floyd.

    Floyd by any decision -130 is the play.  Dont overthink it, just do it.  If you must have a hedge play on Floyd in Rd 10-12 at +950.


    Care to explain what was so funny about people who bet the under?  
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    Quote Originally Posted by rzagza:

    LOL at people betting the under in this fight.  Thats like calling for a Hopkins win by KO.  Use your brains, this is a Floyd fight.  Defense first, second, third.  He doesnt take chances - ever.  Not saying the under is impossible but barring a cut it's highly unlikely.  The 2 guys hes stopped in the last 7 yrs were runt midgets Sharmba Mitchell and Ricky Hatton.  Hatton fought 2 fights at 147 in his career - Floyd and Collazo and looked horrible in both, not a coincidence, dude was a lightweight fighter.  That KO of Hatton means nothing, Ortiz is a big welter who has faced bigger punchers and more aggressive guys than Floyd.

    Floyd by any decision -130 is the play.  Dont overthink it, just do it.  If you must have a hedge play on Floyd in Rd 10-12 at +950.


    Care to explain what was so funny about people who bet the under?  
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