Dawson vs Pascal

Kotelnik was robbed vs Alexander. What are the chances of Dawson getting robbed in Canada vs Pascal? Who's promoting the fight. Where are the judges from. Who will be the referee? Help me out. Do yall remember the hometown ref in the first Bute-Andrade fight. He blatantly cost Andrade the fight.

Even if the judges are legit, I can see them being swayed by 15,000 fans rooting for the fighter coming forward (Pascal).  The crowd will be cheering for any punch that Pascal throws, even if it doesn't land.

Dawson has almost every advantage in this fight except for his chin. I like Dawson by split dec, even though we'll all think it should have been unanimous.

~ referee: Michael Griffin | judge: Jack Woodburn | judge: John Keane | judge: Gerald Ritter ~

Doesn't matter where the judges are from. The oldest trick in the book is to get guys from other countries to make them appear objective. You have to look at their track records and see if you agree with past scoring. Refs will almost always give a hometown guy an advantage despite where the ref is from.

All the info your looking for is at boxrec. You can search what fights judges have scored.

I am at a loss as to why Dawson is fighting in Canada. I know his draw here sucks so the promoters are looking for a good purse for the fighters. Its a risky move by Dawson and Co.

I like Dawson to win, but in Canada? Hard to saw w/o a cap.

DAMN you're good. I'm on boxrec everyday and never realized that info. How do you look up a judges track record on boxrec?

Nevermind I found it.

I posted in another thread try getting Pascal OUT of Canada.

Dawson better get a KO because I've seen in Canada the scoring and I wouldn't want to be there fighting.

Pascal is no push over, I too question why someone would head North to Canada and take a fight knowing how the situation is doesn't seem like a bright move for Dawson.

Dawson can't/won't finish Pascal. It's going to be close anyways, so Pascal +points seems to be the route to go. Quebec was the site when Funeka got robbed against Guzman. Here is something interesting about Jack Woodburn's scoring in Taylor vs Froch:

"Two judges had the 30-year-old former world middleweight champion from Little Rock, Arkansas, ahead by scores of 106-102 after 11 rounds. Inexplicably, judge Jack Woodburn had Froch leading by the same margin. No more eccentric interpretation of a fight has ever been posted by an official."

John Keane is a UK judge, don't see many high profile fights on his resume.

Gerald Ritter seems to have had plenty of work with Gary Shaw Productions, so he should be the judge to lean Dawson in a close one.

Dawson has to be thinking, "if Froch can outbox this guy, I sure as hell will".

Going to Canada to fight is definitely not the wisest move, but Dawson is probably getting paid well and isnt all that fearful of Pascal.

Pascal is pretty good.  Dawson is very good.  If Pascal wins a decision it will be a bogus one.

Froch being up 4 rounds on Taylor is some asinine scoring.

If you don't think Dawson will not knock out Pascal (I don't), how can you not love the +16.5 points prop for Pascal. One judge, Jack Woodburn, is already in the bag for Pascal(both from Quebec), so Dawson would have to pitch a damn near perfect game. I can see Pascal legitimately winning 3 rounds, and with one judge already in the bag, it's almost a sure bet.

"5dimes... Yall must've forgot... that the fights in Canada"

I really do expect the points prop to tighten up to maybe 14.5 by fight time.

Glenn Feldman 117-111 | Duane Ford 115-113 | Michael Pernick 115-113

Those are the official judges for the Glen Johnson - Chad Dawson rematch. This fight took place in Dawson's hometown and the scores were STILL closer than what they should have been. I had Dawson winning the rematch EASY!

Anyone check the points prop lately? LMFAO!

Dawson  -22.5   +190
Pascal   +22.5   -250

22.5 is a ton of points...just sayin'

No way in hell Dawson wins 10-2 on all three cards...

So you like this bet?   Laying -250 on the underdog?   I don't like that Pascal was +16.5 and is now +12.5 

LOL! If I were you I'd take the +22.5. Fuck the odds, I like SURE MONEY. Even with one judge already bought, I can't see Pascal winning - not even by KO. Dawson is lightyears ahead technique-wise, he's an expert at using his height and reach, and I even like Dawson's hook more than Pascal's on the inside. Pascal is athletic but he seems too tight, and an expert boxer with height and reflexes like Dawson can easily see the power punches coming. Go with the sure money. I posted earlier that I can see Pascal legitimately winning 3 rounds, but I can also see Dawson pitching a perfect game (yes he is capable of it and a future lb4lber). GO WITH THE SURE MONEY!

I feel that Dawson will stop him, so those points ARENOT going to matter. Dawson to win is the safest bet of all  GL to all 

 

I'm with you.  I don't think it's out of the question that Dawson stops Pascal.

Dawson will not stop Pascal. You can quote me on that. Dawson is too much of a safety first fighter to try and take out an explosive power-puncher with a good chin. I'm suggesting playing the +22.5 points prop for those who are considering playing the +13.5 points prop. If by an act of God, Pascal gets KO'd, then the +13.5 points prop would have lost as well.  -250 odds are better than -375 for Dawson straight up, because with 1 judge in the bag, there is a good chance Pascal wins if the fight is even remotely close.

datmo, i think you are correct about dawson not stopping him. i am waiting to see if dawson will come down a hair more. he is at -325 now and might dip below -300 overnight. i already have him for a couple of units at -130 by decision. i'm not that concerned with the judging. pascal would need the judges throwing punches for him to lose this fight in my opinion. i wish i had access tp that prop, i would take it in a quick minute. good luck to you sir and thanx for your input.

How are you not concerned with the judges? Especially considering Jack Woodburn has proven to be biased and also from Quebec like Pascal.

fair question. he is only one judge. i am not a big fan of conspiracy theories but i do see your point with 'hometown cooking'. in my opinion dawson wins this going away. that's what i meant about having that prop. i would love to get that knowing that one of the judges 'might' be biased toward a fighter. even if dawson runs the table and say goes 9-3, or 10-2 in rounds, that judge could save you. from my perspective, dawson by decision is the way to go. i have noticed a few people already talking about woodburn in a couple of other forums i look at so i would argue that he might toe the line a little more than he normally would as far as being blatantly for pascal. as long as the other 2 remain fairly objective, i should be ok. who knows??? good luck to you though and i hope we both win a few bucks.

This is the only boxing forum I know that pertains to gambling on boxing. What are some others?

hey dat. can't say on here, i'll get boxed. google 'boxing forums' and i use 3 of the 1st 10 you see. some are a waste but some are fairly decent. i try to read and glean as much as i can. actually, this forum is the best by FAR. you, mcnulty, mack etc. have helped me a lot over the last year. i thank you and good luck.

Why take the +22.5 handicap for -250 because just the fight going the distance is -250. Then you don't have to worry about the judges. I don't see Dawson getting knocked out.