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    Andre Ward v Allan Green

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    Mack05
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2010 - 1:10 PM ET #1

    Actually going to put my post in a new thread..

    I feel strongly Alan Green is one of the most over rated boxers in the world today. For me Andre Ward is not only the best Super Middleweight (Including Lucian Bute) but I have him top 5 P4P in the world today.

    Yes Green has power in both hands but Andre Ward is extremely smart fighter with superb defensive skills. This is a fantastic matchup for Ward and it will be a lopsided win. Just not sure if Ward can get the KO so I will play Ward on Points and Ward to win by KO between rounds 10-12. I wouldn't rule out an early KO here at all but Alan Green showed toughness to hang on in there with Miranda when he was gassed quite early in that fight. Also the only criticism I have for Andre Ward is that at times he lacks that killer instinct when he has got his opponent in trouble..I think maybe Green can hang on till late.

    I have parlayed Ward -600 with alot of things. Steve Molitor and Devon Alexander to me look very strong upcoming picks so maybe an idea to combine both. My biggest parlay here is (sorry to mention figures but it gives an idea what you could win if it hits) $6000 to win $8166.67 Ward and Alexander. That's a 2k win for what looks to me a VERY safe bet..

    On the Ward fight I just can't be sure when or how he gets the win so I REALLY like parlaying here. I will take a chance on

    Ward on points @ Evens

    Ward to win between rounds 10-12 @ +800

    I know a lot of people who Hate betting heavy odds against (e.g -600). I am not crazy about it myself to be honest but I feel Andre Ward and a Devon Alexander parley are very strong plays. No bet is a guarantee, especially in a boxing ring where one punch can change everything or a guy fights when he is not 100% and you find this out after the fight when your counting your losses but for me this looks a great way to make 2k (assuming you have 6k to gamble with, but it works the same for 600 or even 60 bucks)..

    Hopes this helps people..

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Actually going to put my post in a new thread..

    I feel strongly Alan Green is one of the most over rated boxers in the world today. For me Andre Ward is not only the best Super Middleweight (Including Lucian Bute) but I have him top 5 P4P in the world today.

    Yes Green has power in both hands but Andre Ward is extremely smart fighter with superb defensive skills. This is a fantastic matchup for Ward and it will be a lopsided win. Just not sure if Ward can get the KO so I will play Ward on Points and Ward to win by KO between rounds 10-12. I wouldn't rule out an early KO here at all but Alan Green showed toughness to hang on in there with Miranda when he was gassed quite early in that fight. Also the only criticism I have for Andre Ward is that at times he lacks that killer instinct when he has got his opponent in trouble..I think maybe Green can hang on till late.

    I have parlayed Ward -600 with alot of things. Steve Molitor and Devon Alexander to me look very strong upcoming picks so maybe an idea to combine both. My biggest parlay here is (sorry to mention figures but it gives an idea what you could win if it hits) $6000 to win $8166.67 Ward and Alexander. That's a 2k win for what looks to me a VERY safe bet..

    On the Ward fight I just can't be sure when or how he gets the win so I REALLY like parlaying here. I will take a chance on

    Ward on points @ Evens

    Ward to win between rounds 10-12 @ +800

    I know a lot of people who Hate betting heavy odds against (e.g -600). I am not crazy about it myself to be honest but I feel Andre Ward and a Devon Alexander parley are very strong plays. No bet is a guarantee, especially in a boxing ring where one punch can change everything or a guy fights when he is not 100% and you find this out after the fight when your counting your losses but for me this looks a great way to make 2k (assuming you have 6k to gamble with, but it works the same for 600 or even 60 bucks)..

    Hopes this helps people..

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2010 - 6:35 PM ET #2

    With you boss   Any lean in the Chavez/Duddy bout?
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    With you boss   Any lean in the Chavez/Duddy bout?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 1:02 AM ET #3

    I didn't know other sportbooks allow boxing parlays besides 5dimes. Which sportbooks do you use?
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    I didn't know other sportbooks allow boxing parlays besides 5dimes. Which sportbooks do you use?
     
    Mack05
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 7:30 AM ET #4

    I'm in Europe Mafo so i use Betfair, Bet365.com and paddypower.com depending on what kind of bets I am putting down
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    I'm in Europe Mafo so i use Betfair, Bet365.com and paddypower.com depending on what kind of bets I am putting down
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 4:33 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenry30:

    With you boss   Any lean in the Chavez/Duddy bout?

    Henry I aint touching Chavez v Duddy with a barge pole. I hate both fighters, think they are both over rated and these are the fights I just will not play on. Some other good cappers may have a strong opinion but for me this is a no play. If pushed I would lean towards Chavez but honestly I wouldn't trust either man.

    Maybe the over is the safest play here. Haven't seen a line for that yet. Duddy has heart but then again he cuts so easy. If I part with more then 50 bucks I'd be surprised and probably won't part with any..

    I am on fire in the soccer section. Hitting like crazy in the world cup (check Vanzacks soccer thread). Will be doing my own thread as it seems I have a following now in the soccer section. Hopefully we can get some winners there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenry30:

    With you boss   Any lean in the Chavez/Duddy bout?

    Henry I aint touching Chavez v Duddy with a barge pole. I hate both fighters, think they are both over rated and these are the fights I just will not play on. Some other good cappers may have a strong opinion but for me this is a no play. If pushed I would lean towards Chavez but honestly I wouldn't trust either man.

    Maybe the over is the safest play here. Haven't seen a line for that yet. Duddy has heart but then again he cuts so easy. If I part with more then 50 bucks I'd be surprised and probably won't part with any..

    I am on fire in the soccer section. Hitting like crazy in the world cup (check Vanzacks soccer thread). Will be doing my own thread as it seems I have a following now in the soccer section. Hopefully we can get some winners there..

     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 4:40 PM ET #6

    Allan Green sucks balls
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    Allan Green sucks balls
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 4:42 PM ET #7

    Sounds good, I agree both are over rated Duddy is never impressive so I am leaning Chavez, mainly because of Freddy in his corner..
    Will check you out in the soccer section, gl
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    Sounds good, I agree both are over rated Duddy is never impressive so I am leaning Chavez, mainly because of Freddy in his corner..
    Will check you out in the soccer section, gl
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 4:46 PM ET #8

    Here is my soccer thread guys. I am hitting but still recommend low stakes. Far harder to cap then boxing. GL
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    Here is my soccer thread guys. I am hitting but still recommend low stakes. Far harder to cap then boxing. GL
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 4:47 PM ET #9

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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2010 - 11:35 PM ET #10

    I agree Mack, I feel Ward could get him out  late but cannot be sure he will go for the KO.

    I don't see ANY props yet, so like you said the two safest plays are Ward and Devon Alexander in a parlay which I don't usually recommend either (most of the time) but these are the two safest plays out there.

    I don't see Allan Green winning, he either get's KO'd late or loses a lopsided decision and Alexander I like just as much as Ward they are both Top Notch Boxers worthy of a parlay bet.

    Only caveat is you tie up your money Until August. I will probably will just moneyline-parlay INTO the WARD fight.

    Good luck to you and everyone else!
                             
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    I agree Mack, I feel Ward could get him out  late but cannot be sure he will go for the KO.

    I don't see ANY props yet, so like you said the two safest plays are Ward and Devon Alexander in a parlay which I don't usually recommend either (most of the time) but these are the two safest plays out there.

    I don't see Allan Green winning, he either get's KO'd late or loses a lopsided decision and Alexander I like just as much as Ward they are both Top Notch Boxers worthy of a parlay bet.

    Only caveat is you tie up your money Until August. I will probably will just moneyline-parlay INTO the WARD fight.

    Good luck to you and everyone else!
                             
     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2010 - 4:23 AM ET #11

    Rich agree 100%. I normally don't play Parlay's and recommend against them. "When it comes to betting I have had 2 absolute certainties and they both lost" (Leicester Piggot, retired flat jockey). You have to except losing when it comes to betting. If you can't afford it don't bet but I feel this parlay is a very good bet if you can afford it. If not play on the points or late KO.

    Rich is right about the prop bets here in this spot. I normally don't bet Props but I will be here. Ward will roll IMO but hard to know how he wins. Prop bet could very well be the way to go

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    Rich agree 100%. I normally don't play Parlay's and recommend against them. "When it comes to betting I have had 2 absolute certainties and they both lost" (Leicester Piggot, retired flat jockey). You have to except losing when it comes to betting. If you can't afford it don't bet but I feel this parlay is a very good bet if you can afford it. If not play on the points or late KO.

    Rich is right about the prop bets here in this spot. I normally don't bet Props but I will be here. Ward will roll IMO but hard to know how he wins. Prop bet could very well be the way to go

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2010 - 11:26 AM ET #12

    Chavez is so garbage, I've seen this kid fight at least 40 times and none of his fights have been against anyone with a pulse and like his weak opponents so are his skills and his excitement factor. One of the most broing fighters I've ever seen who continuosly gets chance after chance to showcase his weak skills on any PPV they can stick him into.

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    Chavez is so garbage, I've seen this kid fight at least 40 times and none of his fights have been against anyone with a pulse and like his weak opponents so are his skills and his excitement factor. One of the most broing fighters I've ever seen who continuosly gets chance after chance to showcase his weak skills on any PPV they can stick him into.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2010 - 7:18 PM ET #13

    I have been on the end of some horrific prop beats
    Ward decision over Kessler was the right side, but the ref in Oakland stopped it on cuts and all of a sudden Ward on points is a loser
    tough to guess these to the exact result
    but I agree
    I think Ward can get Green out of there
    Who the hell has Allan Green ever beat?
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    I have been on the end of some horrific prop beats
    Ward decision over Kessler was the right side, but the ref in Oakland stopped it on cuts and all of a sudden Ward on points is a loser
    tough to guess these to the exact result
    but I agree
    I think Ward can get Green out of there
    Who the hell has Allan Green ever beat?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2010 - 5:56 AM ET #14

    The price tells you that Greene has a very slim chance at winning. Ward too fast. Greene more talk then action. Hard to imagine this being very competitive. Agree with most of the posters on this one. Ward all the way.
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    The price tells you that Greene has a very slim chance at winning. Ward too fast. Greene more talk then action. Hard to imagine this being very competitive. Agree with most of the posters on this one. Ward all the way.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2010 - 2:44 PM ET #15

    -23.5 with ko of course being a winner?? 
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    -23.5 with ko of course being a winner?? 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:04 PM ET #16

    Beside my parlay's made I am taking Ward on points @evens, Ward to win between 10-12 @ + 650
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    Beside my parlay's made I am taking Ward on points @evens, Ward to win between 10-12 @ + 650
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:04 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenry30:

    -23.5 with ko of course being a winner?? 

    That's about right King. I see no value in this prop bet..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenry30:

    -23.5 with ko of course being a winner?? 

    That's about right King. I see no value in this prop bet..

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:23 PM ET #18

    NO Play for me -900 is too much and -25.5 points is a joke.

    I guess people can either lay the chalk on Ward or Green backers have MANY prop bets to choose from.

    I do like the Ward prop 10-12 I think he stops him Late in the 10th round or early 11th, but won't play it.

    Good luck to everyone!
                 
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    NO Play for me -900 is too much and -25.5 points is a joke.

    I guess people can either lay the chalk on Ward or Green backers have MANY prop bets to choose from.

    I do like the Ward prop 10-12 I think he stops him Late in the 10th round or early 11th, but won't play it.

    Good luck to everyone!
                 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:31 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich agree 100%. I normally don't play Parlay's and recommend against them. "When it comes to betting I have had 2 absolute certainties and they both lost" (Leicester Piggot, retired flat jockey). You have to except losing when it comes to betting. If you can't afford it don't bet but I feel this parlay is a very good bet if you can afford it. If not play on the points or late KO.

    Rich is right about the prop bets here in this spot. I normally don't bet Props but I will be here. Ward will roll IMO but hard to know how he wins. Prop bet could very well be the way to go



    Mack actually I was saying that a prop bet isn't a good idea, that your parlay idea is much better.

    For Green backers they don't even need a prop as the fight is -900 now, way too high for me to even step in on it.

    I missed the boat was going to Parlay the Lakers game 6 (Money lined) into the Ward fight but didn't pull the trigger.

    Good luck,
        
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Rich agree 100%. I normally don't play Parlay's and recommend against them. "When it comes to betting I have had 2 absolute certainties and they both lost" (Leicester Piggot, retired flat jockey). You have to except losing when it comes to betting. If you can't afford it don't bet but I feel this parlay is a very good bet if you can afford it. If not play on the points or late KO.

    Rich is right about the prop bets here in this spot. I normally don't bet Props but I will be here. Ward will roll IMO but hard to know how he wins. Prop bet could very well be the way to go



    Mack actually I was saying that a prop bet isn't a good idea, that your parlay idea is much better.

    For Green backers they don't even need a prop as the fight is -900 now, way too high for me to even step in on it.

    I missed the boat was going to Parlay the Lakers game 6 (Money lined) into the Ward fight but didn't pull the trigger.

    Good luck,
        
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:36 PM ET #20

    I got Ward @-600 Rich and felt the price would go up but to -900! wow I was not expecting that. Only thing that concerns me is Green's power which is real and genuine. You fight bet not to go the distance might be a very smart play..
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    I got Ward @-600 Rich and felt the price would go up but to -900! wow I was not expecting that. Only thing that concerns me is Green's power which is real and genuine. You fight bet not to go the distance might be a very smart play..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:39 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Actually going to put my post in a new thread..

    I feel strongly Alan Green is one of the most over rated boxers in the world today. For me Andre Ward is not only the best Super Middleweight (Including Lucian Bute) but I have him top 5 P4P in the world today.

    Yes Green has power in both hands but Andre Ward is extremely smart fighter with superb defensive skills. This is a fantastic matchup for Ward and it will be a lopsided win. Just not sure if Ward can get the KO so I will play Ward on Points and Ward to win by KO between rounds 10-12. I wouldn't rule out an early KO here at all but Alan Green showed toughness to hang on in there with Miranda when he was gassed quite early in that fight. Also the only criticism I have for Andre Ward is that at times he lacks that killer instinct when he has got his opponent in trouble..I think maybe Green can hang on till late.

    I have parlayed Ward -600 with alot of things. Steve Molitor and Devon Alexander to me look very strong upcoming picks so maybe an idea to combine both. My biggest parlay here is (sorry to mention figures but it gives an idea what you could win if it hits) $6000 to win $8166.67 Ward and Alexander. That's a 2k win for what looks to me a VERY safe bet..

    On the Ward fight I just can't be sure when or how he gets the win so I REALLY like parlaying here. I will take a chance on

    Ward on points @ Evens

    Ward to win between rounds 10-12 @ +800

    I know a lot of people who Hate betting heavy odds against (e.g -600). I am not crazy about it myself to be honest but I feel Andre Ward and a Devon Alexander parley are very strong plays. No bet is a guarantee, especially in a boxing ring where one punch can change everything or a guy fights when he is not 100% and you find this out after the fight when your counting your losses but for me this looks a great way to make 2k (assuming you have 6k to gamble with, but it works the same for 600 or even 60 bucks)..

    Hopes this helps people..

     

     

    You said you had a parlay that you bet 6k to win 8.16k. Ward is -950 and Alexander is -800. that parlay pays $.25 for each $1 bet. Did you parlay a prop or something? I'm a little confused. I like the winners though, just questioning the odds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Actually going to put my post in a new thread..

    I feel strongly Alan Green is one of the most over rated boxers in the world today. For me Andre Ward is not only the best Super Middleweight (Including Lucian Bute) but I have him top 5 P4P in the world today.

    Yes Green has power in both hands but Andre Ward is extremely smart fighter with superb defensive skills. This is a fantastic matchup for Ward and it will be a lopsided win. Just not sure if Ward can get the KO so I will play Ward on Points and Ward to win by KO between rounds 10-12. I wouldn't rule out an early KO here at all but Alan Green showed toughness to hang on in there with Miranda when he was gassed quite early in that fight. Also the only criticism I have for Andre Ward is that at times he lacks that killer instinct when he has got his opponent in trouble..I think maybe Green can hang on till late.

    I have parlayed Ward -600 with alot of things. Steve Molitor and Devon Alexander to me look very strong upcoming picks so maybe an idea to combine both. My biggest parlay here is (sorry to mention figures but it gives an idea what you could win if it hits) $6000 to win $8166.67 Ward and Alexander. That's a 2k win for what looks to me a VERY safe bet..

    On the Ward fight I just can't be sure when or how he gets the win so I REALLY like parlaying here. I will take a chance on

    Ward on points @ Evens

    Ward to win between rounds 10-12 @ +800

    I know a lot of people who Hate betting heavy odds against (e.g -600). I am not crazy about it myself to be honest but I feel Andre Ward and a Devon Alexander parley are very strong plays. No bet is a guarantee, especially in a boxing ring where one punch can change everything or a guy fights when he is not 100% and you find this out after the fight when your counting your losses but for me this looks a great way to make 2k (assuming you have 6k to gamble with, but it works the same for 600 or even 60 bucks)..

    Hopes this helps people..

     

     

    You said you had a parlay that you bet 6k to win 8.16k. Ward is -950 and Alexander is -800. that parlay pays $.25 for each $1 bet. Did you parlay a prop or something? I'm a little confused. I like the winners though, just questioning the odds

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:40 PM ET #22

    I think I get it. You are only winning $2.16k. Makes sense now
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    I think I get it. You are only winning $2.16k. Makes sense now
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 1:47 PM ET #23

    Read his post above he got Ward at -600 and Alexander a bit cheaper, Ward has sky rocketed he was at -550 to start then slowly went to -600 then today -900.

    Sometimes you lock in your plays early, you get the better odds.

    I like to wager after the weigh ins, maker sure each guy looks okay.

    -900 is too high and Alexander is going to go  up  as the fight nears.

    Maybe add a 3rd high profile fight to the mix in a parlay?

    Too much chalk even in a parlay if one is betting TODAY.

    Good Luck,
        
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    Read his post above he got Ward at -600 and Alexander a bit cheaper, Ward has sky rocketed he was at -550 to start then slowly went to -600 then today -900.

    Sometimes you lock in your plays early, you get the better odds.

    I like to wager after the weigh ins, maker sure each guy looks okay.

    -900 is too high and Alexander is going to go  up  as the fight nears.

    Maybe add a 3rd high profile fight to the mix in a parlay?

    Too much chalk even in a parlay if one is betting TODAY.

    Good Luck,
        
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:12 PM ET #24

    That went pretty much according to plan. My +1000 pre tourney might be my best ever bet! Over to you Devon!

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    That went pretty much according to plan. My +1000 pre tourney might be my best ever bet! Over to you Devon!

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2010 - 11:22 PM ET #25

    Congrats Mac, lopsided decision as we thought, it was worse than lopsided don't even think Allan Green should be paid.

    Can we bring back Jermaine Taylor LOL! :) Hey at least he was IN THE FIGHTS before getting KO'd.

                                                
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    Congrats Mac, lopsided decision as we thought, it was worse than lopsided don't even think Allan Green should be paid.

    Can we bring back Jermaine Taylor LOL! :) Hey at least he was IN THE FIGHTS before getting KO'd.

                                                
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