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    LRM704
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 2:16 PM ET #1

    4 fighters tonight finds 1 guy Shumenov at 26 years of age and the other 3 all in their 30's.  The first bout has light heavyweight Gayrat Ahnedov against Dallas Vargas, a combined 25 knockouts in 36 fighhts. GA is a 7-1 favorite. Not knowing anything about these dudes I will take a shot at the inside the distance.

    Now the 2nd fight has light heavyeight  Beibut Shumenov against V. Uzelkov. We get the puncher Uzelkov 22-0 14kos vs the boxer B.Shumenov  who went to the scorecards 4 of the last 5 fights.

    What does this mean ? you might ask.  I have no friggin clue.

    I would appreciate any and all opinions I'm so confused 

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    4 fighters tonight finds 1 guy Shumenov at 26 years of age and the other 3 all in their 30's.  The first bout has light heavyweight Gayrat Ahnedov against Dallas Vargas, a combined 25 knockouts in 36 fighhts. GA is a 7-1 favorite. Not knowing anything about these dudes I will take a shot at the inside the distance.

    Now the 2nd fight has light heavyeight  Beibut Shumenov against V. Uzelkov. We get the puncher Uzelkov 22-0 14kos vs the boxer B.Shumenov  who went to the scorecards 4 of the last 5 fights.

    What does this mean ? you might ask.  I have no friggin clue.

    I would appreciate any and all opinions I'm so confused 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 3:43 PM ET #2

    The Shumenov fight should be a good one. Uzelkov has a KO win over Campillo who "should have" beta Shumenov twice. But Uzelkov just seems too much of a plodder and even though I didn't watch the fight, I heard Campillo was easily outboxing Uzelkov untilo he got caught. Uzelkov seems like the Margarito type in that he doesn't get into gear until he senses you slowing down. Shumenov wins the early rounds and its a toss-up after that. I'm betting the over and Shumenov by dec for underdog odds.
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    The Shumenov fight should be a good one. Uzelkov has a KO win over Campillo who "should have" beta Shumenov twice. But Uzelkov just seems too much of a plodder and even though I didn't watch the fight, I heard Campillo was easily outboxing Uzelkov untilo he got caught. Uzelkov seems like the Margarito type in that he doesn't get into gear until he senses you slowing down. Shumenov wins the early rounds and its a toss-up after that. I'm betting the over and Shumenov by dec for underdog odds.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 4:48 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by DatMofoThere85:

    The Shumenov fight should be a good one. Uzelkov has a KO win over Campillo who "should have" beta Shumenov twice. But Uzelkov just seems too much of a plodder and even though I didn't watch the fight, I heard Campillo was easily outboxing Uzelkov untilo he got caught. Uzelkov seems like the Margarito type in that he doesn't get into gear until he senses you slowing down. Shumenov wins the early rounds and its a toss-up after that. I'm betting the over and Shumenov by dec for underdog odds.

    You're right Uzelkov was clearly losing to Campillo before he caught him . Shumenov is bigger,stronger and faster. I'm not sure Uzlelkov will be able to deal with Shumenov's pressure.

    I think Shumenov has the edge tonight but I'm not betting it .If Shumenov doesnt run low on gas the second half of the fight I believe he wins tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by DatMofoThere85:

    The Shumenov fight should be a good one. Uzelkov has a KO win over Campillo who "should have" beta Shumenov twice. But Uzelkov just seems too much of a plodder and even though I didn't watch the fight, I heard Campillo was easily outboxing Uzelkov untilo he got caught. Uzelkov seems like the Margarito type in that he doesn't get into gear until he senses you slowing down. Shumenov wins the early rounds and its a toss-up after that. I'm betting the over and Shumenov by dec for underdog odds.

    You're right Uzelkov was clearly losing to Campillo before he caught him . Shumenov is bigger,stronger and faster. I'm not sure Uzlelkov will be able to deal with Shumenov's pressure.

    I think Shumenov has the edge tonight but I'm not betting it .If Shumenov doesnt run low on gas the second half of the fight I believe he wins tonight

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 5:00 PM ET #4

    I agree with pretty much everything said above.  'Plodder' is an understatement though.  I watched a few of Uzelkov's fights on youtube, and he moves like he's dipped in cement.  The last guy he fought (the fugazi Tomas Adamek) was awful.  I like Shumenov a lot here.  Maybe Uzelkov is a lot bigger puncher than I'm giving him credit for, but I doubt it. 

    Undercard is Ahmedov ITD for me. 

     

    One play through local tonight:

    Shumenov (-135) risking 2.7 to win 2

     

    Two plays through 5dimes:

    Shumenov ITD (+235) risking .8 to win 1.88

    Ahmedov ITD (-250) + Shumenov/Uzelkov won't go distance (-150) risking 2 to win about 2.67.

     

     

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    I agree with pretty much everything said above.  'Plodder' is an understatement though.  I watched a few of Uzelkov's fights on youtube, and he moves like he's dipped in cement.  The last guy he fought (the fugazi Tomas Adamek) was awful.  I like Shumenov a lot here.  Maybe Uzelkov is a lot bigger puncher than I'm giving him credit for, but I doubt it. 

    Undercard is Ahmedov ITD for me. 

     

    One play through local tonight:

    Shumenov (-135) risking 2.7 to win 2

     

    Two plays through 5dimes:

    Shumenov ITD (+235) risking .8 to win 1.88

    Ahmedov ITD (-250) + Shumenov/Uzelkov won't go distance (-150) risking 2 to win about 2.67.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 5:17 PM ET #5

    GL Danno

     

    Maybe I'll end up betting Shumoenov also . I like him but have been on the fence about actually pulling the trigger

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    GL Danno

     

    Maybe I'll end up betting Shumoenov also . I like him but have been on the fence about actually pulling the trigger

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 7:26 PM ET #6

    You friggin guys are good.

    Researching a little more on Vargas and he just seems like a journeyman.

    Parlaying with Ahmedov and the inside on both bouts.

    GL everyone and thanks for the inputs 

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    You friggin guys are good.

    Researching a little more on Vargas and he just seems like a journeyman.

    Parlaying with Ahmedov and the inside on both bouts.

    GL everyone and thanks for the inputs 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 7:49 PM ET #7

    how confident are you guys on shumenov? I wanna pull the trigger on him too but the line kinda scares me...
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    how confident are you guys on shumenov? I wanna pull the trigger on him too but the line kinda scares me...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 8:11 PM ET #8

    Looked a little deeper into Gayrat Ahmedov and he has only faced 3 fighters with a winning record.  A draw with a 5-0 fighter and victories over Luzimar Gonzaga and Douglas Otieno all in his home country of Kazakhstan.
    Gonzaga was knocked out in 3 consecutive fights about a year before he fought Ahmedov and couldn't make it out of the 2nd round in any of those bouts.  Gonzaga is currently 0-5 outside of Brazil with all his losses coming by KO.
    Otieno had a 19-2 record (19-1 in Kenya) before fighting Ahmedov.  Only 1 fight was against a fighter with a winning record and of course Otieno got KTFO.
    Not exactly the type of resume you'd expect from a -700 favorite. By the way I am NOT suggesting a play on Vargas either.  While the competition he has faced is slightly better, he has fought only once in the past 3 years.  With a gun to my head, I would play very, very, very small on both Vargas at +500 and the over 6 1/2 at +120.
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    Looked a little deeper into Gayrat Ahmedov and he has only faced 3 fighters with a winning record.  A draw with a 5-0 fighter and victories over Luzimar Gonzaga and Douglas Otieno all in his home country of Kazakhstan.
    Gonzaga was knocked out in 3 consecutive fights about a year before he fought Ahmedov and couldn't make it out of the 2nd round in any of those bouts.  Gonzaga is currently 0-5 outside of Brazil with all his losses coming by KO.
    Otieno had a 19-2 record (19-1 in Kenya) before fighting Ahmedov.  Only 1 fight was against a fighter with a winning record and of course Otieno got KTFO.
    Not exactly the type of resume you'd expect from a -700 favorite. By the way I am NOT suggesting a play on Vargas either.  While the competition he has faced is slightly better, he has fought only once in the past 3 years.  With a gun to my head, I would play very, very, very small on both Vargas at +500 and the over 6 1/2 at +120.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 8:14 PM ET #9

    Then again, maybe the linesmakers are trying to tell me something and I'm too stupid to figure it out. LOL.
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    Then again, maybe the linesmakers are trying to tell me something and I'm too stupid to figure it out. LOL.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 8:46 PM ET #10

    Ahmedov is a lead pipe lock at -250 ITD. He's one of Shumenov's guys and is the promoted fighter. He is going to win ITD, it's a done deal.
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    Ahmedov is a lead pipe lock at -250 ITD. He's one of Shumenov's guys and is the promoted fighter. He is going to win ITD, it's a done deal.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Ahmedov is a lead pipe lock at -250 ITD. He's one of Shumenov's guys and is the promoted fighter. He is going to win ITD, it's a done deal.

     

    Whats with all the tout talk?

     Last week Abreau-Bradley under was "free money" and then the time before it was "my entire bankroll " on Alan Green

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    Ahmedov is a lead pipe lock at -250 ITD. He's one of Shumenov's guys and is the promoted fighter. He is going to win ITD, it's a done deal.

     

    Whats with all the tout talk?

     Last week Abreau-Bradley under was "free money" and then the time before it was "my entire bankroll " on Alan Green

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 10:04 PM ET #12

    110 degrees at the fights today
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    110 degrees at the fights today
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 10:09 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

    110 degrees at the fights today

    I just unloaded on the fight won't go the distance at -170. If these too can go 12 in that weather, more power too them. Someone is going to gas and that will be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlml1899:

    110 degrees at the fights today

    I just unloaded on the fight won't go the distance at -170. If these too can go 12 in that weather, more power too them. Someone is going to gas and that will be it.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    I just unloaded on the fight won't go the distance at -170. If these too can go 12 in that weather, more power too them. Someone is going to gas and that will be it.

    I cant see the fight going the distance either but honestly I couldnt pick a O/U to save my life so....

     

    GL on the play

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    Quote Originally Posted by walktheline:

    I just unloaded on the fight won't go the distance at -170. If these too can go 12 in that weather, more power too them. Someone is going to gas and that will be it.

    I cant see the fight going the distance either but honestly I couldnt pick a O/U to save my life so....

     

    GL on the play

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 10:21 PM ET #15

    *to them...

    This one is crazy. These too aren't athletic gods and people never really fight outside, let alone 100 degrees. You might spar in a place like that (Kronk) but for 12 rounds?

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    *to them...

    This one is crazy. These too aren't athletic gods and people never really fight outside, let alone 100 degrees. You might spar in a place like that (Kronk) but for 12 rounds?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:01 PM ET #16

    What happened to the Ahmedov fight?
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    What happened to the Ahmedov fight?
     
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    I need to stop drinking...
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    I need to stop drinking...
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:03 PM ET #18

    I never saw them fight and don't see any results for that fight and now the main event is starting 
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    I never saw them fight and don't see any results for that fight and now the main event is starting 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:15 PM ET #19

    They didn't fight yet. 

     

    Shumenov is doing really good body work.  You can see it's bothering Uzelkov a little bit already.

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    They didn't fight yet. 

     

    Shumenov is doing really good body work.  You can see it's bothering Uzelkov a little bit already.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:22 PM ET #20

    Uzelkov hardly throws any punches to begin with.  The more Shumenov keeps ripping him to the body, the less we'll probably see from Uzelkov.
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    Uzelkov hardly throws any punches to begin with.  The more Shumenov keeps ripping him to the body, the less we'll probably see from Uzelkov.
     
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    Will Uzelkov ever throw another punch? It's nothing but huss huss huss lol (or whatever sound Shumenov is muttering before every punch)
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    Will Uzelkov ever throw another punch? It's nothing but huss huss huss lol (or whatever sound Shumenov is muttering before every punch)
     
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    Shumenov's got this fight unless he gasses and gets caught
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    Shumenov's got this fight unless he gasses and gets caught
     
    Mike C.
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:36 PM ET #23

    The only question is will Shumenov win by KO or win a decision by 30 points. They both had 10-8 rounds and then I'm pretty sure Shumenov will win every other round since Uzelkov doesn't throw punches. 
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    The only question is will Shumenov win by KO or win a decision by 30 points. They both had 10-8 rounds and then I'm pretty sure Shumenov will win every other round since Uzelkov doesn't throw punches. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:42 PM ET #24

    They should consider stopping this fight, Uzi is getting hit with some bombs now and really doesnt have much of a chance...
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    They should consider stopping this fight, Uzi is getting hit with some bombs now and really doesnt have much of a chance...
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 23, 2010 - 11:42 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike C.:

    The only question is will Shumenov win by KO or win a decision by 30 points. They both had 10-8 rounds and then I'm pretty sure Shumenov will win every other round since Uzelkov doesn't throw punches. 

     

    I'd say by 30 points .

    I hope he does get KO'd because there's people in here with ITD bets .We'll see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike C.:

    The only question is will Shumenov win by KO or win a decision by 30 points. They both had 10-8 rounds and then I'm pretty sure Shumenov will win every other round since Uzelkov doesn't throw punches. 

     

    I'd say by 30 points .

    I hope he does get KO'd because there's people in here with ITD bets .We'll see

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